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there is nothing morally cleansing about hardship
the conundrum of the "gendered soul" theory
it's really more of a folk myth than anything/these are two entirely contradictory lines of logic
Sylvia Rivera’s “Y'all Better Quiet Down” speech
TERF/TRF/MRA Venn diagram
forgiving other people's medical debt (charity)
Nordic model sex work regulations
"Scam" you mean people are fighting back against housing discrimination??? I don't think these people know what the word scam means
Scams are designed to trick someone into giving up money based on lies. This is just.. asking for information then legally enforcing the law??
Fuck landlords
maybe it would be easier to listen to trans men about our experiences rather than Frankensteining the experiences of cis men and cis women together in your head idk i feel like that might not be the most accurate to real life
Friendly reminder that age verification is NOT safe, i repeat
THIS SHIT IS NOT SAFE!
"Corrective rape isn't an example of transandrophobia because transfems get raped too" okay so is a lesbian experiencing corrective rape not facing lesbiphobia? Or an asexual not experiencing aphobia? Or hell, even a transfem not experiencing transmisogyny? Because transmascs get raped too, imagine if someone said "a transfem getting raped isn't transmisogynistic because transmascs get raped too"
Hey since TERFs buried the original, higher quality recording, here’s the only surviving recording of trans activist Sylvia Rivera’s infamous “Y'all Better Quiet Down” speech, along with full transcription, now free and open on Archive.org. The transphobic fucks can try their best to scrub us from history, but we’re not going anywhere.
Oh wow a piece of lgbt history..
(Sylvia speech (1:02-5:14) Controversial speech at June 24,1973 Gay Pride Rally at Washington Square Park NYC . Sylvia Rivera was introduced
since OP link is dead
new link here with transcript
[Transcript: An audio clip of Sylvia Rivera giving her speech to a crowd, who can be heard at the start before she begins her speech, sa
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the thing about "trans guys have it easier" is that when you look into it its really more of a folk myth than anything. people come up with all sorts of stories to explain this "fact." people will tell you that people seen as men are gender-policed much more harshly than people seen as women and every little deviation towards femininity is noticed and punished, and that's why trans guys have it easier. but you'll also hear people tell you that people seen as men have so much more wiggle room, men can be all kinds of sizes and shapes meanwhile people seen as women have to fit into this tiny little box, and that's why trans guys have it easier.
these are two entirely contradictory lines of logic, but they lead to the same conclusion. because the conclusion is the point. its a backformed theory of gender. people believe, for whatever reason, that "trans guys have it easier" is an objective fact, and then storytell an explanation for why that is that sounds right to them. and this isn't necessarily something that's done maliciously, which is key. its not about people twiddling their fingers and thinking about how to contribute to a massive conspiracy against transmascs. its about people just feeling, on a gut level, that trans guys must have it easier, by which they really mean, transmasculine suffering isn't socially visible, and it isn't natural for me to imagine it, therefore it must not exist; yet, trans suffering in general clearly exists, so there must be some reason that transmasculine suffering feels so abstract and immaterial to me and others.
this is why anti-transmasculinity theory is so important. all kinds of people come to this conclusion, and the best explanation for why this strange thing happens and why no one talks about it is anti-transmasculinity & erasure as a social force which people internalize.
The conundrum of the "gendered soul" theory
A big, and recurring, problem that transfeminist theory experiences is that it keeps letting itself be changed based on what's a more effective argument against TERFs and other transphobes. When TERF arguments started shifting to "no one can be born in the wrong body," transfeminist theory shifted to "this is the right body, but just like some people need glasses, some people need gender affirming care." Whether that was a good decision or not is irrelevant, but it's an example of how trans theory keeps changing in response to transphobes, which means we are letting transphobes dictate trans theory. And that, suffice it to say, is a bad thing. Letting trans theory be centered around appeasing transphobes is a good way to lose the core of what theory is.
And a case where you can see that happening, in a way that is definitely for bad and not for good, is with the "gender as social construct" framework -> "gendered soul" framework pipeline.
So, when trans people started pointing out that gender is a social construct, to counter the TERF "biological sex is immutable" framework, TERFs countered with, "but if you were AMAB, you were socialized male. This is inescapable and proves that even if gender is a social construct, you still have male socialization and are male."
And rather than counter this literally any other way, theorists caved, let TERFs control the narrative, and shifted to "I have a female-gendered soul that was always female and is therefore immune to socialization. It doesn't matter what I experienced in the past because my female-gendered soul was female."
I don't inherently blame transfeminist theorists for this; it was important to shut down TERFs by any means necessary. But as usual, it's created problems, and as usual, most of those have hurt transmascs more than anyone else in the trans community. Because when theory that was solely made to protect transfemmes from TERFs becomes standard in the queer community, it leads, inevitably, to transmascs being erased at best and demonized at worst.
The problem with the "gendered soul" framework is that it is easily misused (In fact, I'd say misuses of the gendered soul theory are the default now) by people with oppositional sexist beliefs. That is, people who believe if women experience A, men must experience opposite-of-A (and opposite-of-A usually is some kind of privilege, if not outright engaging in misogyny). Further, they believe that since trans men are men, acknowledging that transmasculinity is in any way different than cismasculinity is misgendering equivalent to outright calling trans men women. Thus, if women experience A, and men experience opposite-of-A, trans men experience opposite-of-A too, and the mere suggestion that trans men might have once experienced A instead of opposite-of-A is transphobic and transmisogynistic. And not only that, but any trans man saying they have experienced A is a liar who is misgendering himself to seem more innocent or claim to know more about womanhood than actual trans women.
So, because trans women have a female-gendered soul that was always female, was immune to socialization, and had no past experiences that aligned with boyhood or manhood, that means trans men have a male-gendered soul that was always male, was immune to socialization, and had no past experiences that aligned with girlhood or womanhood. Therefore, since trans women have a female-gendered soul that did not ever have male privilege, benefit from misogyny, or learn misogynistic beliefs or behaviors, trans men have a male-gendered soul that did have male privilege, benefitted from misogyny, and learned misogynistic beliefs and behaviors.
And thus, because trans men have a male-gendered soul that always had male privilege, benefitted from misogyny, and learned misogynistic beliefs and behaviors, they can't have ever experienced misogyny, because cis men do not experience misogyny, and trans men are identical to cis men, and saying otherwise is misgendering trans men. If trans men claim to have experienced misogyny, they are denying that they have a male gendered soul, which is self-misgendering, and trying to weaponize the entirely made-up phenomenon of AGAB (and attached gendered socialization, which is a misogynistic theory without merit) to hurt trans women. Because if a trans man had an experience of being victimized by misogyny, that must mean, due to oppositional sexism working on reversal-based inference, that some trans woman out there has an equal and opposite experience of having victimized someone with misogyny. That's equivalent to calling them men who harm Real Women, which is inherently a TERF belief.
The gendered soul framework relies on the absolute truth of the gendered soul, and the absolute immunity of the gendered soul to the body's experiences. A male-gendered soul in a body that experienced trauma from forced birth due to abortion bans has still not been affected by misogyny, because the male-gendered soul is male, and men don't experience misogyny. On the other hand, a female-gendered soul in a body that experienced no such forced birth has certainly been affected by misogyny, because their female-gendered soul is female, and women do experience misogyny, and absolutely know more about it than any man ever could. To deny this is transmisogyny and bioessentialism.
This logic borders on a tautology. Trans men don't experience misogyny because they're men and men don't experience misogyny because they're men, not women, who do experience misogyny because they're women and women experience misogyny. It doesn't matter what experiences a trans man's body has had that would be called misogyny in a cis woman; his male-gendered soul transcends the body. Male-gendered souls do not experience misogyny, even if their body has.
That's why it doesn't matter what experiences you have had, you still won't be able to convince a transandrophobe that transmasculine people can and do experience misogyny. You have a male-gendered soul, and that will always override your body's experience with misogyny. It is at best entirely irrelevant, and at worst it is more like stolen valor. Claiming to have experienced misogyny as a trans man is not only a lie and a claim to victimization that could not have happened, it is also a de facto accusation that trans women perpetrated misogyny.
In responding to an entirely illogical and inflexible TERF ideology, theorists have created an even worse, more illogical and inflexible, ideology that treats lived experience as false and a transmisogynistic attack.
Again, I understand the good intentions the theory was created with, and if it had stayed at that, I'd agree with it. Trans women, even when closeted or as eggs, didn't experience male privilege, because invisibility isn't a privilege, and that's what being closeted is. Trans women never benefitted from misogyny, because it is both misogyny and transphobia that made it so hard for them to realize their true selves and come out. The problem is that this theory was then weaponized against trans men to erase their lived experiences and write them out of the definition of an axis of oppression they very much have experienced. And they're supposed to be grateful to this theory for "affirming your gender/gendering you correctly" and "stopping you from playing the victim and weaponizing your AGAB, thus saving you from becoming a transmisogynist."
The "gendered soul" theory needs to die, but unfortunately, it's too appealing for transandrophobes- it both lets them define transmascs out of experiencing oppression from misogyny, AND is a tool they can rebut TERFs with. So they have zero interest in doing so. Still, I wish they'd give it up already and move on to a theory that isn't rooted in oppositional sexism.
I don’t know if this is an obvious take or a hot take, but I think people need to start re-framing feminism as the fight for body autonomy as opposed to whatever this second wave revival gender essentialist bullshit we have going on right now. Once you reframe it in this way, it’s easier to understand intersectionality and why cis women are not the only people who need feminism. The lack of body autonomy effects cis women, trans people, intersex people, disabled people, poc, homeless people, sex workers, etc. and your feminism needs to include and prioritise all of these groups of people (which will include men btw) because feminism is about autonomy, not about establishing a matriarchy. Body autonomy is the biggest threat to the patriarchy, both with reproductive rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and even the right to not be drafted into military services. Once body autonomy is established for everyone, the patriarchy no longer has a leg to stand on.
And body autonomy does include things that you don’t personally like either. I was prompted to write this post after a series of bad takes from progressives, but one of them was re-hashing the Sabrina Carpenter album cover drama with “I don’t think it’s conservative of me to think that the album cover is a bad look when we’ve seen images of women being abused in this way” because I do actually think you’ve failed to understand feminism by projecting your morals onto a woman who was consensually expressing her own autonomy just because she expressed it in a way that you didn’t like or that made you uncomfortable.
Body autonomy also means unhealthy choices. Body autonomy also means regret rates. Body autonomy also means freedom of sexuality. Body autonomy also means mutilation. If you believe body autonomy has limitations and exceptions, then your feminism is most likely surface level.
TERFs are some of the biggest opponents to body autonomy, and if you find yourself thinking “oh people can do whatever they want with their bodies as long as it doesn’t harm them or make others uncomfortable” then you are far more susceptible to TERF propaganda than you think.
ooooh the radfems are BIG mad about this one
"protecting girls and women" is a transandrophobic dogwhistle and always has been
protecting women and children from what? from becoming trans. It's not just about protecting little girls from "evil trans women".
it's also protecting women and girls From discovering who they are, from becoming a trans man or becoming non binary. It's about deterring them through conversion therapy and rape.
This stuff all swept under the rug to where even trans people even don't even seem to know or want to talk about it, which is really sad.
Are we ready to talk about how transandrophobia is systemic because it's a branch of transphobia, which is systemic, or are we not there yet?
we have to start running a massive PSA campaign to young gay people so everyone understands there is a difference between being a dom and being a top and between being a sub and being a bottom. and also that sometimes you are neither a sub nor a bottom and you're just like shy. we need to be handing out flyers we need ads at every train station spreading the word
i was not expecting this to get notes. i appreciate the thank yous and acknowledgments in the tags from fellow shys who top or dom and are tired of assumptions
tbh i think there is a deeply antitransmasculine vibe and sentiment coming from all the posts calling the transandrophobia and antitransmasculinity from other trans people a "terf psyop". like i have been experiencing transandrophobia from other trans people way before this year, and before i even had a tumblr presence, or any internet presence. and i think its just incredibly dismissive of the transandrophobia and antitransmasculinity that trans men have been experiencing from trans people and in the trans community for years before anyone even talked about it. like we cant "we dont claim them, theyre not REAL trans people" our way out of acknowledging that transandrophobia and antitransmasculinity exists in trans spaces and among trans people and we AS A COMMUNITY need to take steps to make ourselves and our communities safe for trans men and transmascs
Got called “fake woke” for believing in transandrophobia and like???
So is it ‘too woke’ ‘not woke enough’ or ‘not woke at all’ to these people?? I mean, obviously they don’t give a single shit about trans mascs themselves so they can’t be that ‘woke’ themselves. But like??? Weirdest insult I’ve ever gotten. I’d love to see what this person thinks ‘woke’ is, although I’m pretty sure they don’t even know themselves.
Anyway, insinuating transandrophobia doesn’t exist is transandrophobia in and of itself.
This is transandrophobia
I hate posts like these that attempt to split hairs over individual oppression points to argue that one group of trans people has privilege over another (especially since, if we must, trans men notably have higher rates of sexual assault and less representation in government than trans women, facts that get conveniently ignored or even actively erased in these convos) because well. It’s unproductive, but even moreso it becomes a breeding ground for rank TERFish transphobic bile to be spread around uncritically:
This is what TERFs believe, wholesale, and is just transphobia, nothing more. If you genuinely think it’s okay to say that trans men “transitioned to manhood to benefit from the patriarchy” you aren’t safe for trans people to be around, yes even if you’re trans yourself. The idea that this is somehow “queer solidarity” would be laughable if it weren’t so depressing.
I am once again mentioning that this "study" had 700 LGBT respondents. For the entire thing. This is compared to the 2015 USTS (link) which has 27k responses from JUST trans people. It shows that trans men, and nonbinary individuals who were AFAB, have a lower income on average than trans women and nonbinary individuals who were AMAB. In fact, in 2015, trans women in the US have the HIGHEST yearly income compared to any other subcategory of the trans community
ya sure about that?
all of these people claim that transandrophobia isnt real, and claim that trans men aren't oppressed / are less oppressed than trans women (and cis women apparently???)
