Okay I’m gonna take this one thing at a time because you have a pretty large fundamental misunderstanding of… all of this.
1) “Stand in an empty field and produce tech with just labour!’ Well this is a silly argument. You can’t stand in a EMPTY field and produce things, but if I and a lot of other people cooperate, with no money, we probably could make most things.
Everything from mining to programming can in fact be done *gasp* without money! If we live in a system where money isn’t a thing and people do things merely for the advancement and benefit of all we have… oh! We’ve just done what you challenged us to do without pieces of paper! Interesting.
You go stand in an empty field and with NO LABOUR and ONLY MONEY (that means no purchasing labour since this is the argument you demanded I lived up to) and do the same thing now. Interestingly, I and many others could use labour without money to produce goods and services for the betterment of all when money isn’t an issue for anyone. You on the other hand will have some difficulty, I doubt coins and bills can put phones together.
2)”Humans have always lived in poverty except by theft until the free market, at which point all transactions have been totally fair and the wealthy have never exploited anyone!” is that… really your arguement here?
Humans are naturally social creatures. We survived by supporting one another. Even those who could support none. We have tons of proof and evidence to this, including multiple preserved ancient humans who were severely disabled and clearly well cared for long after and buried with love. Claiming we’re naturally capitalistic ignores our actual evolution as pack animals who survived by supporting and aiding one another regardless of what could be provided by that other person.
3) “The downtrodden enjoy things Kings of old couldn’t even dream of!” Uh, indoor plumbing as you know it being a recent invention hardly means capitalism is fair, equitable, or makes sense, and doesn’t mean capitalism gets the credit for it’s invention. Other civilizations had indoor plumbing, refrigeration, and highly advanced irrigation systems, and also looked after their disabled and sick. Europe isn’t the standard by any stretch, but nice racism there anyways I guess.
Also uh, if the downtrodden are enjoying such luxury, why are we either homeless or barely surviving despite producing more labour than the wealthiest on the planet?
4) “Capitalism makes people rich by producing things people will buy” Not entirely, no. Capitalism makes already wealthy or well off people wealthier if they can purchase the labour of others at sub-fair rates, then turn around and sell the products at massively inflated rates. Did you know it costs, on average, less than 10 cents to produce most things you find in the average department store? That’s less than ten cents for the material, the labour, the shipping, and the staff to sell you the item itself. And yet it will cost you anywhere from $10.00, to over $1000. Often? Even more. Now was that ‘person creates then sells on an item they made and make money’ or was that ‘person who is already wealthy purchased labour for far less than it was worth and inflated the price drastically to turn a massive profit’?
Socialism doesn’t actually kill anyone, I dunno if you know this but socialist countries (and economies) are actually doing fair enough (France, Iceland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway, Italy… hmm. All countries that are doing quite well, not killing their citizens, and even have higher happiness ratings than the USA? Almost like you don’t know what socialism looks like, isn’t it? Oof, that’s kind of embaressing since you just claimed France is killing it’s citizens with ineptitude) and as Venezuela was actually doing fine until the United States, your so precious Capitalism Rulez example decided they couldn’t have that, assassinated people, and instilled a coup d’etat overthrowing a legitimate government I’d say that’s a piss poor example to use as a system ‘collapsing on itself’ when it was more ‘intentionally sabotaged’. At least use a country the US still doesn’t feel bold enough to intentionally destabilize in the name of their own propaganda mill.
Also we’ve never actually seen communism in action, you know that right?Countries that claimed to be communist (or do claim to be communist)… were not following communism! Which you’d know if you knew more about communism than just ‘China and Russia called themselves that’.
Anyways, your response tells me you know only what propaganda the USA machine has fed you and have no actual education on this subject so we’re done here.
