Paired with all the CrossWorlds dialogue with Sage, it got me thinking about how a lot of the fandom thinks Eggman & Sage’s relationship is a positive one instead of one that’s really fake & toxic (Which, I know you’ve explained by now.).
When it comes to Sage, I can’t help but find it weird how ALL of the characters put SO MUCH “emphasis” on Sage being Eggman’s “daughter,” when it a way, Eggman has A LOT of children. What makes Sage Eggman’s “child” any more than other Eggman creations like Metal Sonic, Omega, Orbot, Cubot, or the average disposable badnik? In a weird way, the characters & these fans both seem to have the same idea of what Eggman & Sage’s relationship is.
Never mind for those of us who “see right through it,” we KNOW Eggman sucks as a father at best (good parents should not have “favorites,” for one thing) or Sage is just another Eggman Empire slave at worst.
I’m wondering, in-universe, if it’s actually going to be ACKNOWLEDGED by a character that Eggman doesn’t really see Sage as “his child” or that Sage is really no different than the “average disposable badnik”? Do you think the characters (or at least some of them) will eventually come to the same conclusion as we have about what Eggman & Sage’s relationship TRULY is?
They're really telling on themselves, aren't they? Reminds me of that one post that was like "I asked an author on Ao3 to tag their fic as abusive relationship and they went 'what why?... oh... oh no' and then it turned out they were basing the story on their own relationship which they thought was wholesome and didn't realize was actually abusive."
Like bro if you think Eggman is being a good wholesome loving and healthy father towards Sage, you should never be allowed to interact with any children whatsoever and if you have kids they should be taken away from you by CPS lol.
>When it comes to Sage, I can’t help but find it weird how ALL of the characters put SO MUCH “emphasis” on Sage being Eggman’s “daughter,” when it a way, Eggman has A LOT of children.
Yeah that's the thing about her. Nobody is making a big deal out of Metal Sonic being Eggmans son, even though he's just as much a creation as Sage. They even point out that Metal Sonic was designed WITH an inferiority complex, or that he's made Metal versions of the other characters too. They are all "just" robots, to Eggman and to everyone else. Sage is "advanced enough to grasp the concept and desire the state" of being Eggmans daughter. So it's a "I think therefore I am" kind of thing.
>or that Sage is really no different than the “average disposable badnik”?
This is alluded to in Sage's reaction to the Eggpawn
"Are you like me" as in a creation that has gone beyond its initially designed programming and function.
Because Sage IS unique and different from the other robots including Metal Sonic. She was initially JUST an AI program, a computer voice, the closest thing she had to a physical form was just a data node that looked like a cancerous tick which Eggman slapped onto the Cyberspace tower.
When she was integrated into Cyberspace, something happened to her and she evolved beyond Eggmans initial creation. She integrated with the systems and data of the Ancient's and became something new and different.
After this she was able to start defying Eggman (subtly) and was able to manifest a physical representation with a holographic body. We can infer that Sage's body is something she fashioned together for herself, and not something designed or created for her by Eggman himself. So it seems evident that Sage is the result of a combination of Eggmans initial programming, and the integration into the Ancient's Cyberspace.
So, like how conventional procreation requires the biological combination of sperm and ovum, Sage was the result of Eggman (non-consensually) imposing his own technology onto the technology of Cyberspace. When you think about it like that, she's kind of a rape baby. But if thinking of Eggman as a rapist makes you uncomfortable because you're a pussy then it's still undeniable that her conception was irregular compared to the rest of his machines.
She is more than a mere program indeed.
And Eggman DOES seem to recognize that. He's just also incapable and unwilling to perceive any given life that exists besides him as having function value or purpose besides what it can do for him. Rather than having a cliche "what if robots, but people?" moment where Eggman realizes this unit DOES have a soul, he pretty much jumps straight from acknowledging her as a living entity to lavishing himself with adulation for being such a GODLIKE GENIUS that he produced an offspring with the power of his own exceptional programming and technology rather than the lame boring normal biological way.
It's actually really funny when you think about it. Instead of his heart growing three sizes because his Pinocchio turned into a real boy, it just inflated his ego even more than it already was. Ian Flynn even directly compared them to Dr. Frankenstein and his Monster, and stated that their father/daughter relationship is supposed to be concerning and insidious. You're supposed to be happy For Sage, but unsettled By Eggman.
His acceptance of Sage as his daughter is ENTIRELY self aggrandizing, and their relationship is entirely one sided and self serving to and for him. And nearly all of Sage's dialog with the other characters in Crossworlds is her proudly proclaiming that she is fully aware of who and what Eggman is, accepts and embraces him regardless, and is entirely and fully devoted to serving him faithfully and absolutely.
For now it's too early to even know what the status quo of their relationship is, Sage has only been in one game and it was her introduction. We haven't seen what the average norm of her being Eggmans daughter is even like yet. There's any number of ways it could develop and be explored and portrayed. The breadcrumbs we got from the dialog interactions in CrossWorlds is nice, but I'm anxious about seeing Sage in the next proper Sonic game.
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