. . Good day to you all. My name is Nightingale (or Hugo, if you prefer) and I am the alter who runs this blog. I am an introject in the same system that runs @anti-willo-longya. I am multi-sourced, specifically of Hugo Vlad (Zenless Zone Zero) and Noctla'Lune (Creatures of Sonaria), however I primarily present as Hugo. Please use either he/him or it/its pronouns when referring to me, though they/them is also acceptable.
. . This blog is meant to act as a mix of a personal blog, an aesthetic/reblog hoard, and a place for me to collect resources and general information on CDDs. If this blog goes inactive for any long stretches of time, assume it is because I'm not in/around front. Unlike our other blog, it will only be me posting.
D N I:
!! Endogenic/Willogenic/Any non-traumagenic systems + supporters, radqueers + supporters, T.R.A.S.H., anti-otherkin, anti-polyamory, anti-kink, harmful paraphilias + supporters (includes anti-contact), pro-israel/zionists, ICE + trump supporters, shipcourse (I'm against proshippers, for the record, but I'm not interested in engaging in those debates)
. . I will not actively seek out those on my DNI to bother them, however I do not tolerate those who break my DNI. My stances are not up for debate at this moment, especially regarding NTG systems. If you come to me harboring ill intent, I will take action, but I will not bother you if you don't bother me. I do not condone harassment, and I expect those who interact with this blog to do the same. Just block and move on, it truly is that simple.
Tags:
# — 🌙 "at your service" (regular posting)
# — 🌙 "i wish you a fabulous day" (positivity)
# — 🌙 "let order and madness dance" (ranting)
# — 🌙 "scram before i get angry" (DNI breakers)
# — 🌙 "freeze all evil" (CDD resources)
# — 🌙 "i don't enjoy repetitive scripts" (correcting misinfo)
>_ . . let's get this done quickly. the name's medkit (he/him pronouns). I'm an alter in the same system that runs @anti-willo-longya, @anti-willo-hugovlad, and @anti-willo-pantalone. yes I know we have a lot of these, but what can ya do. like with the other blogs, this blog acts as a personal and also a general help blog. have system questions? need emotional validation? want to rant about endos/willos/their supporters? I'm your guy.
>_ . . as always, ENDOS/WILLOS/NTG "SYSTEMS" AND SUPPORTERS DNI!!! this blog is NOT FOR YOU if you couldn't tell by the name. I don't take kindly to people who break this DNI
>_ . . other stances of mine include: anti-radqueer, anti-proship (don't bring up shipcourse on this blog, though), pro-otherkin/fictionkin, pro-polyamory, anti-harmful paraphilias, support good faith contradictory labels (lesboys + others)
>_ . . I follow my DNI to the best of my ability, and I expect those who interact with this blog to do the same. violating our boundaries results in a block.
!! TO NOTE !! - we NEVER post in the "syscourse" tag. do not use that as an excuse to "debate" us (a.k.a. harass us for having common sense)
— tags -
# !!- "let's make this quick" ; general
# !!- "don't die" ; rants/vents
# !!- "this may cost a bit" ; asks
# !!- "how much will i get paid for this" ; wall of shame
Hey guys let's uhh maybe not support @\taliaanii (@soupthewhoop on TikTok) because he harassed me for "being a darkshipper" (I'm not) from March/April to September/October last year & repeatedly told me to kill myself & spread lies about me & bla bla bla (He was also 18 doing ts to a 13yo (At the time))
(Do not harass anyone involved please 💔)
All these screenshots have been taken from my old vent TikTok so the cropping might be bad
Hi, I am making master lists and posts of CDD/anti-endo resources.
I plan for this blog to be mostly resources, with the occasional ask and reblog of things I find important. Due to the recent harassment because of the various block lists, I will be waiting to post any blogs until it has calmed down some (unless a specific blog asks to be posted before).
Tags for reach, any reblogs are greatly appreciated as this is the first project like this I’ve done in a long time. Lmk if you would like to be removed.
. . Hello. My name is Calcite, and I am a Pantalone fictive within the same system that runs both @anti-willo-hugovlad and @anti-willo-longya. He/They pronouns work just fine for me. We are bodily 19 and taken by our lovely partner system. This blog is intended to act as a mix of many things, but primarily this blog will focus on things such as moodboards, stimboards, and icon edits. I may also reblog posts relating to various things that I deem important, including call-outs and PSAs regarding endos, pro-endos, and the like.
. . Though my content is primarily targeted at pwCDDs, I am willing to take requests from singlets and alterhumans. However, under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will endos, pro-endos, and others in that umbrella be served here. I am STRICTLY ANTI-ENDO. This is not up for debate, I will not argue you on this. I do not take kindly to ableism here. You have enough places that will serve your requests, so scurry off to them. I am not one of them.
— MEDIA BLACKLIST -
. . Though I will do most media sources, there are a handful that I will not work with for a variety of reasons. These include the following:
TCOAAL, Harry Potter, IRL people/YouTubers/Band fandoms, DreamSMP
. . I am willing to work with some problematic media provided the requester acknowledges and does not support the creators (e.x. VivziePop).
— DNI -
T.R.A.S.H., pro-endos/willos/nontraumagenic (includes neutral takes), anti-alterhuman, anti-selfship, anti-polyamory, radqueers, support harmful paraphilias, anti-kink, pro-israel/zionist, support ICE/trump, against good faith identities and contradictory labels
— TAGS -
# — yap yap - general
# — old man yells at cloud - rant
# — equivalent exchange - reblogs
# — window shopping - personal
# — thank you for your business - request accepted
nightingale isn't currently fronting but I'm hijacking to make the announcement that we're turning asks off as a safety precaution. shits hitting the fan again and we have too much to deal with already
This is a call for @ plural-blocklist ( @ pcb-system ) to take accountability for the awv blocklist rentry causing mass paranoia and endangering minors.
The consistent targeting of vulnerable and traumatised individuals ( many of whom are MINORS ) simply for not agreeing with a stance is DEPLORABLE.
It is not hard to acknowledge that this rentry caused BOTH you and those listed, distress. You have been asked to take down the blocklist account because you frequently post minors and regardless of intention you are fast becoming responsible for the harassment of literal children.
Since removing the blocklist for awv, you have taken no responsibility for the harm you have caused to people and have made it solely about yourself. You are not unaware of the harm you have caused, multiple people have told you that your account is causing people to fear their safety.
You have been asked by adults and minors themselves to stop posting and to remove posts about minors. You are bodily an adult, you should know better.
I can no longer operate under the assumption that you do not know the harm you are causing because I have told you, my friends have told you, people requesting to be removed have told you.
You have posted people as young as 13.
Slapping on a "block don't harass" at the end of your posts does NOTHING and people have been telling you this. If you don't want to delete the blocklist, at least delete the posts containing minors.
Take accountability for the fact your account IS causing harm to people.
Block me if you want to, I literally do not care. But you need to take accountability for your actions and the harm you are causing.
plural blocklist went ahead and made a rentry list of a bunch of aw (anti-willo) blogs. and apparently they dont care much if you dont want your blog listed (in the discord server a user showed he was listed despite asking not to be)
this is just. shitty. there are several masterlists already of the aw blogs you could've reblogged if you really wanted to (i'm even drafting one up right now). it's irresponsible too, and dangerous. multiple times the aw blogs have stated we are NOT a movement, just a community. that's it. look, if any pro endos are seeing this, i'm sure you'd understand being excited seeing someone in the same fandom as you also share your same stance. thats pretty much all i see this as; a way to share your interests and make friends.
i'm sorry if this is worded shittily i'm just pissed. they got 3/4 of our aw blogs. i don't really care if they're on there but i care that they're breaking boundaries of those who don't
here's their rentry list if anyone's curious/wants to see if they put your blog: https://rentry.co/anti-willo-blocklist
Users grouped together are linked blogs/mains/etc. This is a constant work in progress and will be updated regularly!
Last edit: 2nd May 20
2 of my anti-willo blogs got put on a blocklist , feeling accomplished !
just so the fucker that puts me in there knows; any harassment i get will be screenshotted and i will assume is a direct result of you putting anti ableists on blast for no reason. i can and will make a document dont play with me 😭
It shouldn't need to be said, but if I see someone reblog a post of mine, and I go to check their blog, and they also reblog posts from endos and pro-endos, that is an instant block. I do not take kindly to neutral takes either. Unlike Lachlan's blog, I do not allow that here.
You cannot be "neutral" on ableism. You either support it or you don't, and if you do, stay the fuck away from me. When I say "supporters DNI," that includes you centrists.
(Some) Logical fallacies commonly used by endogenic systems and their supporters
I wanted to compile a small amount of common fallacious arguments used by the pro-endo ideology.
You should also use these to help strengthen your own arguments by avoiding these fallacies. Remember that a statement can be true and still be argued with faulty logic, and denying so is a fallacy of its own. (It’s called the fallacy fallacy, where: If P, then Q. P is a fallacious argument. Therefore, Q is false.)
I don’t know if I should start adding “this post was made by”, but you should know most of my long posts are made by me (Neuvillette) or Cosine. This time it’s me with Cosine in co-front. My special interest is law and debate, so I had a lot of fun with this :)
requested tags: @dissociacho
Burden of Proof / Appeal To Ignorance:
The burden of proof is the obligation of the party providing the claim to provide ample proof of it. If a person says that X exists, they must provide evidence for X. Shifting the burden of proof occurs when the person making the claim demands that others prove them wrong as opposed to justifying their own claim.
The burden of proof is frequently shifted using an appeal to ignorance. In the appeal to ignorance, one makes the claim that a statement is true simply because it has not been proven false.
How pro-endos use it: You will frequently see pro-endos follow a similar logical train. They will state that endogenic systems exist and then require you to provide proof of the contrary. This is similar to religious debates where a theist will ask an atheist to “prove god doesn’t exist!”.
How you can avoid using it: If you are making a claim, provide reasoning. Since the endogenic model is nowhere close to an actual understanding of science, your best bet is studies that disprove the sociocognitive model of DID (which operates remarkably similar to the endogenic logic). Also, remind them that the primary medical term for the presence of alters is DID, and studies into alter formation and presence will use that term. (So the claim: “this isn’t about endos!! its about did!!” is stupid. If that were true, DID studies and framework wouldn’t be useful for OSDD)
Anecdotal:
Anecdotal evidence occurs when personal experiences and isolated incidents are used to draw broad strokes as opposed to empirical evidence.
How pro-endos use it: There two main ways pro-endogenic systems use this.
They might claim that their experience as an endogenic system, or the experiences of endogenic systems that they know, is evidence for endogenic systems existing. This isn’t logical evidence. People can misinterpret what they think and feel about themselves, and they can lie to others as well.
If the discussion is about the community, they may bring up negative experiences from anti-endos. While these experiences are valid and deserved to be brought into context for how we treat pro-endos as a community, it does not mean the anti-endo community as a whole has that behavior. That is another logical fallacy, part to whole, where somebody assumes what is true of a part is true of the whole. (EX: One anti-endo was mean, so all anti-endos are mean.)
Please note that the above doesn’t apply to anti-endos discussions of the history of pro-endos. We’re talking about the history and beliefs embedded into the endogenic community (beliefs that we have objective proof of existing), as opposed to negative experiences with individual pro-endos. (While those do have their merit, “I had a bad experience with a pro-endo so therefore all pro-endos are bad,” is not a logical argument. “I’ve noticed (X) pattern across experiences with pro-endos and it matches the negative history of their movement,” is.)
False Equivalence:
Informally known as ‘comparing apples and oranges’, the false equivalence where an equivalence is drawn between two things due to a small similarity. This is a form of oversimplification.
The structure goes as such:
If A is the set containing c and d, and B is the set containing d and e, then since they both contain d, A and B are equal.
How pro-endos use it: Pro-endos make the comparison between anti-endos and transmedicalists. Ironically, while searching for a post to show this type of reasoning, I found a comic made by a pro-endo doing.. the exact thing.
This is the exact same fallacy. The false equivalence here comes from equating multiplicity with gender identity, two things that are simply not comparable. Gender is an internal identity, while multiplicity is the result of dissociative barriers formed through trauma. They are not comparable.
Tu Quoque
Latin for “You too”. This is when somebody dismisses an argument by accusing the critic of the same or similar behavior, rather than addressing the argument itself. An arguments truth is not dependent on the speaker itself, yet this is a useful form of red-herring that redirects criticism instead of making the person engage with it.
How pro-endos use it: Primarly when anti-endos discussing their communities history or pointing out flaws in the pro-endo community. If they ever start an argument along the lines of, “Well, sysmeds do [insert thing],” then that’s what I’m speaking about.
My timeline post has reached endogenics and as a result, I am being called racist because.. *reads notes* the sources relate to white-westernism. The person also states that being anti-endo is racist because it excludes religious and spiritual practices.
This is why I don't touch too deeply on those practices when talking about endogenics because they’re both entirely different things. I do not appreciate having my name tarnished over this.
Please, for the love of dog, keep your practices out of CDD spaces. It's not because we hate your culture or practices, it's because it is not equivalent to the trauma pwCDDs have endured.
tag list for reach: @anti-willo-utsuro , @anti-willo-valerie , @anti-willo-siffrin , @anti-willo-purpleguy , @anti-willo-sonicexe , @anti-willo-2017x , @anti-willo-c00lkidd , @anti-willo-joker-junior , @anti-willo-miku
I DONT THINK WE SHOULD TELL ENDOS TO KILL THEMSELVES
YES EVEN KNOWING THEIR HISTORY AS AN ABLEIST HATE MOVEMENT
THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE IN THE ENDO COMMUNITY WHO ARE ISOLATED TEENAGERS AND/OR UNAWARE CDD SYSTEMS NOT ALL OF THEM ARE SOPHIE IN WONDERLAND LEVEL BIGOT LOSERS (even tho a lot of em are)
One of our biggest regrets is how, in the past, we engaged with people who did do this, though often indirectly. Though, these old friends were from our AspenFrost days, and I can't deny the chance we picked up on those harmful behaviors. Hell, someone we used to talk to who was friends with Aspen back then (not anymore to my knowledge) has a blog where he actively cross-tags to just tell endos they should die. I don't know why we ever trusted him with anything, if he's going to be that immature.
No matter how much we hate someone, we can't just tell people to hurt themselves. Even if we despise them with all our heart, that's just not in our nature. I'm glad we moved on and changed for the better, but even then, we still regret what we did. Hating someone is not an excuse to tell them to die.
