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Type 8 So: Solidarity (countertype)

The Social Eight countertype uses their power and influence in the service of others, making them appear Two-ish in their drive to support others rather than asserting their own needs. Sensitive to injustice and unfair social norms, they are loyal and protective and shield ‘their people’ from harm, unjust authority or abuse of power. Even though they prefer not to be too vulnerable, they invite and appreciate tough feedback from close allies.

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Type 8 Sp: Satisfaction

The SP Eight is strong, direct and productive and appears powerful and effective. Confident in even the most challenging situations, they are survivors and are pillars of strength for many as they take the role of guardian, father or mother figure. When their needs are not satisfied, they become frustrated and intolerant, and tend to take a direct, no-nonsense approach to get what they want, without guilt or apology.

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The Enneagram Types as Colors

Type 1 - A pure white. One devoid of flaws and imperfections. A color that reflects the good in other colors and tones them down, allowing them to be completely true without being too much. It’s cold, but alluring. Providing a sense of peace with its unchanging, steady nature, it’s truly the perfect base.

Type 2 - A soft lavender. One that nurtures you and gives you a sense of peace. It’s unique, but soft, subtly drawing attention and capturing you. It provides for you in moments of solitude so that you can have the strength and energy you need to continue doing all that you do.

Type 3 - A deep gold. One that’s been around since the beginning of time. It drives people, it runs societies, it builds nations. When you look into it, it reflects who you are and where you long to go. It’s what everyone desires, yet few can truly grasp.

Type 4 - A rich purple. One that’s like a new color everytime you look at it. It inspires self evaluation and motivation. It’s deeply attractive, inspiring everyone to be themselves and to strive for more. It’s set apart from the rest. Nothing compares to the beauty of a true purple.

Type 5 - A solid black. One that’s enticing and intriguing. It absorbs all of the knowledge it can, keeping it all hidden within its depths. A world of mystery lies within that’s just waiting to be discovered. Once you break through the barrier, a whole new world awaits to be discovered.

Type 6 - A lemony yellow. One that provokes both excitement and alertness. It brings us to move forward despite our fears with full knowledge of the dangers that lay ahead, while at the same time, giving us a sense of support and warmth. Like dandelions in sidewalk cracks or daffodils in the cool late winter months, it sprouts up and inspires us to keep going, no matter how hard or cold the path ahead is, because things will get better.

Type 7 - A true orange. One that draws you in with its warmth and keeps you with its zest for life. It’s exotic, yet inviting; exhilarating, yet soft. With the passion of red and the true joy of yellow, it holds you in anticipation for the next adventure.

Type 8 - A blood red. One that’s bold and intense. It’s the passion and the temper within all of us that we can’t keep down. It’s full of energy and heat, motivating us to improve our lives. It’s a dominant color that catches your eyes. You can’t help but be drawn to it.

Type 9 - A soft beige. One that’s pleasant and inviting. It’s a steady base for just about anything as it goes well with most other colors while still shining through itself. It’s light and nice to be around, providing immense peace. It’s the perfect color of harmony.

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Building Blocks of Personality Type - Extraverted Thinking (Te)

By Leona Hass & Mark Hunziker

Dominant for ESTJ and ENTJ

Auxiliary for ISTJ and INTJ

In this chapter, we seek to present a picture of the “pure” Extraverted Thinking that we would see if we could carefully remove it from its natural state where it is influenced and colored by all the other elements of personality. Though no process actually exists separated from the rest of the personality, the portrait that follows reflects core characteristics that are in play whenever Extraverted Thinking is engaged at a conscious level.

Extraverted Thinking most clearly resembles the descriptions in the following pages when it is in the dominant (first) position. In fact, these descriptions are based on input from people for whom the process is dominant (ESTJ and ENTJ). But even with Extraverted Thinking in the first position, what you observe will vary noticeably depending on other factors-particularly whether it is paired up with Introverted Sensing or Introverted Intuiting in the auxiliary (second) position. 

In order to draw a complete picture of the “essence” of Extraverted Thinking, one must use bits and pieces that cannot individually demonstrate “pure” Te. Like the splashes of color in an impressionist painting, however, the bullets in this chapter, when taken all together, reveal a vivid portrait that will enable you to recognize Extraverted Thinking when you see it. Knowing what the process would look like if it could be separated from other influences is the foundation of process watching, the practice that will quickly take you as far as you want to go in understanding personality.

Extraverted Thinking is a decision-making process. It focuses on the objective, external world by instituting systems of organization and assigning all information to a place within an appropriate system, based upon quantifiable comparison. Te wants to evaluate, decide, and complete a task using a system of logical binary judgments.

KEY FEATURES

Extraverted Thinking

Adopts or develops applicable standards to guide decisions.

Is driven to structure and organize the external world.

Sorts everything in the world to its proper place in an organized system.

Applies objective logic within a framework of policies, standard procedures, operational guidelines, or some other common system of guiding rules.

Views creating and maintaining systems that take care of people as more effective and therefore more important than taking care of individuals directly.

Is energized by reaching goals or achieving an end result.

Seeks clarity and order in the environment.

WHAT’S GOING ON?

Extraverted Thinking

Looks for logical organization or structure in the tangible, external world.

Employs proven analytical tools.

Assembles the rules of organization to function like a matrix.

Can spot illogic and inconsistencies immediately.

Is analytical.

Is exemplified by the western scientific process of painstakingly methodical experimentation that examines one variable at a time.

Strives for equality in dealing with all things, including people.

Seeks clarity through order.

When people are using their preferred Extraverted Thinking

They need to use systems that define how things interact and interrelate, such as the laws of physics, to provide frameworks for logical organization and analysis.

The structure of the process is visible. It could be recorded, explained, and even repeated, as when a second team of scientists duplicates all experiment to confirm the findings of the first team.

They need a system in which all relationships are known in order for the logic of the decision-making process to operate effectively.

They seek clear standards or systems that are broad in scope because such frameworks can be applied to many different situations.

They are sometimes driven to extremes by their desire to anticipate every possible contingency. They may create ponderous institutionalized systems, such as complex government bureaucracies, as a result.

They are most comfortable working within a mechanistic, cause-and-effect model.

The clarity and specificity that they desire is often found in laws, rules, regulations, policies, procedures, and standards.

Broad standards such as the sweeping declarations of the U.S. Constitution’s Bill of Rights and Christianity’s golden rule are ideal since they can be used almost universally.

Their approach is to methodically move from the facts, through an orderly process, to an end result.

They want to use clear-cut, tangible criteria that are measurable and quantifiable, such as “more” or “bigger,” as opposed to qualitative criteria, such as “better” or “more important.”

They use the tactic of reducing every choice to a sequence of yes-or-no decisions. Labeling, quantifying, applying objective standards, and analyzing are all techniques that support this reductionist approach.

Their decision-making process makes use of measurable, quantifiable data that can be evaluated on a binary matrix. This provides the framework for the yes-or-no decisions.

They pursue equality through consistent application of the rules. A need to make exceptions to the rules indicates a need to improve the rules. A perfect world would have perfect rules so that exceptions would never need to be made.

Though end results may be their conscious focus, the act of task completion itself is the driving need.

Task completion is their payoff, and the need for a sense of movement toward completion is powerful. Setbacks or a sense of stagnation can be very frustrating.

If they cannot attain the closure of completing a task, measurable progress is reassuring.

A series of short-term, intermediate goals or milestones can be very helpful as a way of showing that progress is, indeed, being made.

If they have no sense of progress being made or they feel that a task is behind schedule, this may lead to high levels of frustration, even anxiety or panic.

They tend to focus on the task at hand, not on the broader ramifications. They may, for example, neglect to consider the impact on the work team when they are choosing the team’s most efficient path to a goal.

They often need to verbalize the process – to think out loud.

FROM THE OUTSIDE, LOOKING IN

When we experience people who are engaging their preferred Extraverted Thinking, they:

Endeavor to ensure that everything and everyone is treated equally by following policies and procedures.

Seem to maintain a standard of equality that guides their treatment of people.

Thrive in a hierarchy where relationships are guided by clear rules, such as the military, the Catholic Church, or a traditional corporate structure.

Want to know what the goal or desired outcome is before they begin a task.

Can be relied upon to have a contingency plan.

Are often the first to produce results when assigned a task. The results are almost always quantifiable.

Produce the criteria that are needed for a team to make decisions.

Often use a checklist to make sure tasks are accomplished.

Need to physically organize their personal space and sometimes try to organize the space of others.

Need to talk out the logic and underlying assumptions of decisions.

Do not often say “I think”; it goes without saying. Almost everything you hear from them is thinking verbalized. May be perceived as cold since what you hear is their objective, impersonal logic.

Often imply “you should” or “they ought to” when they express an opinion.

Often sound more rigid than they are. Thinking out loud sounds a lot like stating decisions. In actuality, as long as they are still talking, they probably have not yet reached a final decision.

May preface everything they say with an overview of what they are going to say, such as “We need to cut costs. Here is a rough outline of how we can do it.”

Usually try to determine whether someone is competent and whether his or her information is credible and objective before listening to what that person has to say.

Often start with a distinct agenda, then reference the applicable rules, then go through a series of mini-decisions that will lead to the ultimate decision: Which result is more desirable? Which action will produce that result? What staffing will be required to support that action? Can appear harsh and judgmental to people around them. Thinking is critical by definition.

Take care of people in a broad, systemic way. They gravitate, for example, toward trying to fix the healthcare system rather than focusing on taking care of individuals’ health problems. Have a defensible position for every question or issue.

Have a logical rationale for their every action.

Tend to be decisive. Decisions are usually either “thumbs-up” or “thumbs-down” with no gray area. Strive for closure. They are uncomfortable moving on to another task before completing the one they are doing.

Can sometimes take the drive to reach closure through dispassionate logic to its extreme. It can become a mind-set wherein the end seems to justify the means.

Seem prone to becoming staunch defenders and enforcers of the prevailing laws and rules. They are often involved in creating the laws or rules.

Are very systematic and structured.

CONTRIBUTIONS

Special perspectives and approaches of Extraverted Thinking

The Newtonian view of a universe that consists of objects that act upon each other in predictable, quantifiable ways.

Laws, rules, regulations, and standard operating procedures

Logical, standardized filing systems

Outlines

Prioritization

Providing logical structure to enable organizations to attain their desired end result.

Giving others a starting place for their work or discussion by presenting a specific position

Equality

FROM THE INSIDE

Paraphrased descriptions of what it is like to make decisions through one’s preferred Extraverted Thinking

I enjoy crossing items off “to-do” lists. If a completed task is not on my list, I may put it on the list and then cross it off to give myself a sense of accomplishment.

No matter what it is, I need to analyze or organize it.

I need to talk in order to think.

When someone asks me a question, I often just start talking it out. I may not know the answer until I hear myself say it.

I like respectful, nonpersonal debate because that’s how I think. I’m very much in the habit of speaking in order to clarify my thoughts.

I hate it when people at work try to stop a good debate, mistaking it for an argument. Discussion gives me new ideas and allows me to work them through with others.

I can carry an analysis of something to only a certain level in my own head. To go any deeper, I need someone to be my sounding board. If I can’t do that, then writing it down, diagramming, outlining, or even talking aloud to myself is helpful.

I view competence as being extremely important. I strive for competence in all that I do.

It’s frustrating when I can see the logical order of things and others refuse to see it or discuss it.

The ideas of weighted data and of sliding scales conflict with my need for an even-handed application of the standards and rules.

My fondness for debate makes some see me as angry or confrontational.

I believe there is always an order, law, rule, or regulation to be followed, though sometimes it may not be obvious to others.

I highly value competence in others and in myself. It’s something I always look for. I am really attracted to competent, results-oriented people.

I may not know a lot about a topic, but I have an opinion. I’ll know more about what it is after I start talking.

I know that I can come across as being cold and impersonal.

I say, “Be prepared!” I always have a contingency plan. In fact, I have contingency plans for my contingency plans.

I always arrive at meetings prepared, with an agenda, and on time.

Picture several file cabinets, each labeled according to a system. Each file cabinet has labeled drawers, which contain clearly labeled dividers, which in tum hold clearly labeled folders. I organize by means of an external system, one that others can quickly and clearly understand.

I automatically prepare outlines for everything. It is my way of structuring a problem so I know how to tackle it. In school I started all my papers by making an outline, whether it was required or not.

Creating and improving structure in my job is exciting.

Everything can be reduced to cause and effect.

I have the entire year planned in advance.

If I don’t know exactly how and when I’m going to accomplish tasks, I get worried that I won’t be able to get everything done.

There’s a place for everything and everything has its place.

I have a lot of difficulty with the concept of paradox. The idea that two seemingly contradictory explanations can both be true blows my mind. It has to be either one or the other.

I need to “discuss” my ideas with my partner. Even if I’m not really listening to what he says, I need him as a sounding board. I am really mostly listening to myself to find out what I think.

I need external structure. I’m sure that’s why I made a career in the military.

I enjoy balancing my checkbook and organizing my possessions and spaces.

I organize and orchestrate everything. Even my vacations are planned down to the last detail. My family insists that there has to be some spontaneity, so I put times for that in the schedule too.

I enjoy planning vacations. I enjoy the planning more than the actual vacation. When we drive, I always have several backup plans: a best route, a best alternate route, and so on.

In my garage, I’ve traced the outline of each tool on the wall in the place where it belongs so there can be no mistake about what goes where.

When I proof read this manuscript, I knew immediately when a sentence was not structured correctly.

VIGNETTES

Scenes from the world of Extraverted Thinking

In a “type-alike” group exercise, our group had to identify the priorities first. What is most important? What’s less important? Half of our time was used in creating structure in this way and in identifying the desired end result. After that, we could quickly proceed with accomplishing the task itself.

Intending to say that she “thinks by talking,” a workshop participant instead stated that she “talks by thinking.” It was an understandable slip. To her, talking and thinking are essentially synonymous.

In task-focused workshop exercises, the members of this type-alike group almost always map out how they will approach the task before doing anything else. They either create a timeline or they outline the steps to follow to reach the goal.

In a workshop exercise, this type-alike group found it extremely uncomfortable to be asked to determine criteria to use in making a decision, when the information provided was not sufficient for creating good criteria. The lack of data, combined with the drive to complete the task, created a situation that was very stressful. 

GIFTS

Unique strengths of Extraverted Thinking

Organizing ideas, objects, information, and so on in the external world to help others understand and use them

Summarizing and codify a nation’s or culture’s shared vision and morality into laws

Leading logical group decision making

Decisiveness

Contingency planning

Reliability in completing a task

Equal treatment of all

Objectivity

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MBTI types as main characters

INTJ: The divisive and analytical antihero who is both creative and logical, and whose motives (whilst sometimes questionable) lead to the best results. They are fantastic at debating and have an intelligence admired by all.

INTP: The absent-minded introvert who, despite their quiet and cold exterior and weird sense of humour, has great plans to understand and change the world and who is surprisingly empathetic. They know a lot more than they give themselves credit for, and have a habit of hoarding information on topics they find interesting.

ENTJ: The confident, logical and intelligent commander who is famed for their tactical and organisational abilities, alongside their fantastic sense of humour and their impressive determination. They don’t quite understand emotions, but they do try for things they care about, and value friends very highly - unless they are betrayed.

ENTP: The pun-making memelord who is confident and sometimes makes incredibly stupid decisions, and who likes getting into arguments with people just for the sake of it. They’re not afraid to speak their mind, although they often talk a lot without saying anything meaningful.

INFJ: The creative, organised and surprisingly logical character who is very in tune with the feelings of their friends and is incredibly protective of those they love. Although they can be lazy at times, they have great ideas, and could certainly change the world by doing what they enjoy.

INFP: The bookish protagonist who always has their head in the clouds, and has incredibly strong opinions around morals and ethics. They’re one of the kindest people in the world, and although they can make some very illogical decisions, they can be incredibly passionate and are a great friend.

ENFJ: The charismatic and passionate character who is a natural-born leader, and is prepared to die for the causes they believe in (those which are seen as the best for the world and the people around them). Although they are confident and altruistic, they can be highly manipulative if they wish.

ENFP: The fun-loving and enthusiastic character who everyone loves, mainly for their crazy ideas, their great sense of humour and the logic that underlines everything they do. They are often incredibly determined, despite a tendency towards procrastination, and are very creative.

ISTJ: The orderly and rather shy protagonist who, despite being somewhat disillusioned by their past, is surprisingly devoted to the causes they believe in. They love a good pun and are very loyal to those they love, although they will not hesitate to enact justice on someone who has wronged them.

ISFJ: The seemingly average protagonist who is surprisingly empathetic and in tune with the world around them, with a great understanding of other people and a deep respect for past traditions. They will do anything to protect their family, and are some of the most selfless people on the planet.

ESTJ: The rational and practical leader with a penchant for organising and commanding others, whilst keeping in mind a detailed map of their past experiences so as not to repeat previous mistakes. Although they can be harsh, they’re great conversationalists, and are friends with many others.

ESFJ: The kindly and surprisingly-imaginative character who everyone loves and who has an honest yet sympathetic personality, who loves to keep those around them in a good mood and who adores comedy. They may seem a little weird, but they’re certainly the best kind of person out there.

ISTP: The cold and knowledgeable protagonist who likes to understand machinery and the functions behind it, and who doesn’t care about traditions or the judgement of authority figures in the slightest. They are very creative and have a surprising soft side, although it’s only reserved for the people they care about the most.

ISFP: The quiet and artsy character who doesn’t give themselves enough credit for the skills they have, but devotes themselves entirely to the peaceful causes they believe in and love to live in the moment. They are incredibly kind and surprisingly imaginative, although they often have difficulty making friends with people who don’t quite understand their rich personality.

ESTP: The daring adventurer who seems to be constantly doing something, and who is known for a blunt and down-to-earth sense of humour. They’re not afraid to live their lives and speak their minds, and despite their easily-bored nature, they have a surprising intelligence.

ESFP: The fun-loving protagonist who loves to be caught up in the exciting nature of the world, and who spares little time for topics they consider too depressing or unnecessarily complicated. They love to entertain their friends and make jokes, and have a unique outlook on a world that they are here only to enjoy.

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couples: narcissus & echo

Is your heart not stone?

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If it were easy, everyone would do it.

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How your tert Ne like? Im curious uwu

In general it’s not all that exciting like the typology community is making the presence of an ESxJ to be. Tertiary functions are random, so occasionally it slams me with a million thoughts at once, and I can’t typically use it when I want to call upon it. Sometimes I can, sometimes not. Being as it’s in my lower stack, I don’t even want to call upon it much, only if there’s nothing even remotely similar to something I’ve experienced before. Si is reliable.

What low Ne does is it comes up with a few different seneros, and high Si picks the one it’s experienced as the most probable one and deals with it (through Je) with what has been known to work (Si).

Loops for me are interesting. Looping of course depends on enneatype, and some, let’s say most, tert Ne users do a lot of worrying in a loop. Being an 8, my loops are about taking down and eliminating every possible threat that Ne could dream up with Te efficiency and steamrolling asap. I either crash right away which is less likely, or every time a threat is successfully conquered, it backs up and reinforces the idea that “I can do anything. My strength is limitless!”, and I eventually crash harder. Either way, the eventual crash results in the lovely combo of disintegration and Fi grip.

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Enneagram 8 aesthetic

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The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina Spellman: Zelda Spellman [ESTJ]

OFFICIAL TYPING by Charity / The Mod

Functional Order: Te-Si-Ne-Fi

Judging Functional Axis:

Extroverted Thinking (Te) / Introverted Feeling (Fi)

Zelda is the aggressive “doer” in the Spellman family, the undisputed “boss” in the house. She is the authority when it comes to making decisions and has very little time nor patience for emotional hang-ups. She admits that she was aggressive in school, hazing her own sister into tears more than once, and it takes her decades to realize the emotional effect it had on her. She believes in doing the rational thing, which is what everyone else in their family has always done (Si), and has little emotional awareness – she rarely factors them into her decisions, which leaves her vulnerable when she faces up to her own feelings.

Perceiving Functional Axis:

Introverted Sensing (Si) / Extroverted Intuition (Ne)

The way she remembers school differs from how her sister remembers it, showing her subjectivity. And how she thinks of the Dark Lord isn’t how Sabrina thinks of the Dark Lord. Zelda bases every decision she makes and advice she gives on her personal experiences – from school and the tradition of hazing to her desperate need for Sabrina to sign the book and continue on the family tradition of Spellmans serving the Dark Lord. Even her ritual murdering of her sister and waiting for her to resurrect in the graveyard shows a pattern of behavior. She is reluctant to abandon the “old ways,” often referencing “taboo” behaviors that she enjoys (ritual sacrifices, eating human flesh, etc). She isn’t quick to read between the lines, and does not adapt to change well, using her Ne only to problem-solve when push comes to shove.

Hogwarts House: Slytherin

House Traits: cunning, resourcefulness, and ambition.

Like a good many Slytherins, Zelda knows what she wants and tries to get it. She’s faithful to her family, which extends to the larger coven, but admits that she would protect Sabrina at any cost, even if it meant breaking from the coven. She is all business at the mortuary, and all business in the coven. But she’s also sly and able to keep herself in the Dark Lord and Lord Blackwood’s good graces, no matter what it takes.

Enneagram: 3w2 so/sp

Tritype: 386 The Justice Fighter [3w2 8w9 6w5]

To Zelda, appearances are everything. She prides herself on being important to the Dark Lord, and when Sabrina refuses to sign her name in Satan’s Book, her aunt goes into a full-tilt meltdown with dismay. It reflects on them! It casts a bad light on their parenting skills! Oh, Satan must be so angry and disappointed in them! She’ll do anything to get them back on top, including sleeping with Lord Blackwood (which is a pleasure also) and almost falls over herself with delight whenever he singles her or her family out to receive various “honors.” Her 2 wing steps in to help Sabrina handle messes, although she puts on a bold, uncaring front. Zelda’s 8 fix is easily frustrated with her sister’s “weaknesses,” and admissions of the truth; her 6 fix invests all its faith in the coven and the Dark Lord.

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“My father was a talented engineer.  He could fix any type of truck, and he used his income to help the poor.  Our neighbors’ school fees and hospital bills were always paid.  My mother would bring needy people to our table, and order us to give them the best portions of meat.  She’d explain that these people rarely had the chance to eat well.  Both my parents were very religious.  But they always taught us: ‘Humanity first.  Everything else comes after.’  When the genocide began, they invited our Tutsi neighbors to hide in our house.  There were seven of them.  Some lived under the beds.  Others lived in the cupboards.  I was a teenager back then and my job was to change the waste buckets.  It was a miserable existence, and it went on for months.  But we prayed with them.  We tried to give them hope.  We told them that God was in control.  At night we’d give them Muslim dress so they could go in the backyard and get fresh air.  Our neighbors suspected us because our curtains were always closed.  We never slept because we knew the penalty for hiding Tutsis was death.  But all seven people in our house survived.  Unfortunately my mother and father died a few years ago, so I must tell their story for them.  Their names were Mukamunosi Adha and Gasano Juma.  They saved seven lives.  And they valued love and humanity more than anything.”   (Kigali, Rwanda)

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How did you figure out you were a contraflow and an So/Sp?

Well that story is embarrassing. Half of this is a confession. Even still, y’all deserve accurate information.

I had typed myself as a sx/sp for a while. Turns out I was mid sx-overfocus. Third wheeling eventually catches up to you. Anyway, that had to mean I’m either so/sp or sp/so, so I assumed sp/so because a) sp dominance is common in 8s and b) I knew for sure that I have some sp beforehand.

A friend of mine that I met through the typology community said I seem pretty contraflow. Thanks.

I thought about it. Soc 8 descriptions always seem to fit. Soc 8 looks to gain and keep control of the hierarchies within their circles. We act as protectors to the people within our circles, and always stand up for the weak and innocent. Some soc 8 descriptions who tend to cast as as superheroes or something, but that doesn’t automatically make us good people. We’re still, as previously mentioned, straight up power hungry, and can become quite tyrannical when said power is threatened. Hate to admit that that fits, but everyone has flaws I suppose.

As for so/sp, that gets a little deeper. Wanting soc bonds and simultaneously being aggressive enough to push everyone away means you don’t have a lot of satisfaction with soc. When a so/sp can’t satisfy their so, we retreat to sp and essentially reject everyone before they can reject us. I almost quit all social media once in an impulsive fit of loathing. Confronting people in previous soc bonds and burning bridges. Ultimatums. Both 8 and 8’s friends getting hurt. Not good. Obviously, I’m trying to improve. I know this is bad, before the tumblr “omg so unhealthy” squad comes for me and what I choose to admit publicly.

So yeah. I could put way more depth into this, but that’s the story.

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What is being a so dom 8 like?

In a word: interesting

Soc 8 is definetly one of the paradoxes of the typology world. You care what people think, and yet you don’t. It’s not a situation where you absolutely need approval like a heart core, but your existence depends on being in charge and you become paranoid that someone will essentially “dethrone” you and you’ll be controlled again.

Soc 8 has an unusual development which results in an unusual type that gets developed. 8s were always abused [1], which leads to our core fear of being controlled, but soc 8s grow up in an environment where our abuse comes from a hierarchy and we therefore attempt to rise to the top of hierarchies to evade control. You can’t be controlled if you’re the one doing the controlling, after all.

The obvious difference is that soc 8s use and use the system while soc blind 8s rebel, but for the same purpose. The dictator vs the anarchist. The way I see soc blind 8s is that they’re idiots. Heavily Te-Ni influenced here, but, to quote myself, “ I already yelled at the 9s about this, but consequences are important. Think of it this way: picking a fight = suspeded from school no school = no job = homeless.”. That isn’t to say soc 8s aren’t idiots and that we don’t pick fights A LOT, since 8 anger is quick, sharp, and we act without thinking, but going against the system as a whole is usually a way to be conquered by it. Again, and I repeat this for emphasis, if someone were to tell me what to do, I’d still by all means question their authority (if not way worse) before I even knew what hit me, but choosing not to be a part of it doesn’t work.

I actually assumed I had been mistyped as an 8 for a little while, mostly because most people who test as 8 are mistyped. I try hard in school, I want to get into a good college and a good career so I’ll be in a position where I can rise to the top, so I won’t have to work under someone, as much as that’s possible. There’s differences between soc 8 ambition and 3 ambition though. 3s who value power were raised in a household that makes them believe they only have worth if they are in a position of power (think Loki from MCU). Also, if you can’t tell, see how they handle mistakes. An 8 will brush it off wayyy more easily than a 3.

Other than being in charge, soc 8s get known for being “defenders of the weak” and protective of our people. That’s true and good, and I’d like to elaborate a little more on that. 8s are black-and-white thinkers (especially me with inferior Fi), and shove everything into the boxes of “weak” and “strong” [2], so when we see someone innocent and weak, we speak out instinctively. We try to prompt the people we care about into becoming stronger, although I’ll admit between the confrontation involved in speaking up and our massive fucking egos, it feels somewhat satisfying to our vice of lust. Supposedly this is why soc 8 has the strongest connection to 2, since they too get off on helping people (in different ways, but still).

Please remember that that fact doesn’t make us valid in the least, and Joseph Stalin may have been a soc 8. I don’t know much about history, but from everything they taught us in freshman World History I assume whoever said that is correct.

That’s what I could think of off hand. Maybe I’ll make an addition to this, maybe I won’t.

I talked a little more on soc 8 and being a soap 8 in general here

[1];[2]

Note: I put a lot of fucking effort into this because this is my most frequent ask, and because I’ve seen a hell of a lot of other people receive this ask. I hope someone can use this, anyway. By the way, source #2 is amazing and I’d advise checking it out.

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