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rachel i say this with full respect and love
please stop redrawing your older pieces
maybe i'm just biased but brother they were perfect the way they were, it wasn't broken and it didn't need fixing
like that's why we're so pissed about your work now because it lacks the structure and character it had back then
the glow is nice ig but like the anatomy is so much worse which is really a bummer for this piece in particular because it was originally the framework for the composition in the original and that's completely missing in the draw (like this is a perfect example of how rachel's 'intentionally broken' anatomy ykwim? like it wasn't perfect anatomy but it was way more STRIKING and served the composition a lot more, like in Hades' shoulders and Persephone's legs and hair)
persephone's flowers are gone , hades' laurel crown is gone
it's too dark and it feels like the vignette effect was used purely to cover up mistakes / anatomical issues and not because it was actually necessary
i'm sorry for picking on shit rachel posts but every time rachel redraws one of these old pieces it feels like such a disrespect to the original work, like these are pieces i STUDY FROM and still thoroughly enjoy from the original series, so seeing them redrawn like this is painful
and the worst part is most people (i.e. casual viewers) probably don't even realize this is a redraw to begin with, because she posted it on its own as a promotion for vol 10 and a lot of casual consumers of LO aren't aware of the older art pieces that existed way back in the day
i can understand wanting to redraw older pieces (i do it all the time, it's a great exercise!) but this is one of the few times where the artistic development has gone so backwards that the redrawn pieces feel like the work of someone making a DTIYS redraw that doesn't capture the spirit of the original vs. an actual redraw of the original work by the original creator herself
like if this WERE a DTIYS piece from someone else that would be FINE but it's NOT and that's what's so baffling and upsetting about it
i've said this many times before and i'll say it again, it's giving rcdart and i'm sobbing, this is a hate crime towards me specifically (/j)
lowkey this reminds me of that episode of the king of the hill where bobby enters a rose-growing competition and hank immediately ruins the fun and sincerity of it by being overly-controlling of their entry, to an extent that it winds up resulting in them losing the competition because he sees anything that adds character to the rose as a flaw rather than a unique feature
it's missing that wabi-sabi ykwim
and this has been an issue since like halfway thru S1 of LO when it pulled too many cooks into the kitchen and lost its essence, it became stiff and lifeless and even the artistic issues became impossible to ignore because it lost its character and charm
it's like half the reason why we talk shit about LO in the first place because it DID have flaws in the beginning but it was still SINCERE and had ✨personality✨
now sure, as it went on, you could argue it was the constant criticism that rachel took to heart that resulted in her losing her spark with LO. i understand that's a sucky position to be in, to be putting up with harpies like myself constantly screeching about how bad the comic is, it's inevitable the wires are gonna get crossed and you might lose sight of what matters.
but also, much of that criticism existed both just for ourselves (i.e. not her) but also in the hopes that she would SOME DAY achieve that spark again. because we DID love the art at one time, we loved it so much that we couldn't let GO of it even after it started to turn to shit.
unfortunately that spark is evidently long gone now and i don't know at this point if she could obtain it again because she's clearly become so disconnected from what made her work special to begin with that even when her work is visibly improving (such as thru her fanart pieces and other works she's been posting to bluesky, like a lot of them are pretty decent and i have nothing bad to say about them really at all) it tanks immediately as soon as she has to draw anything related to LO, like i don't want to assume or project or anything but it's like you can tell in the brush strokes she's not having a good time 😭 and it feels like that's what's bleeding into these redraws which doN'T EVEN NEED TO EXIST LIKE LEAVE IT ALONE DAMMIT-
like man this is the same shit i feel towards star wars and harry potter, it was already good. it was what we yearned for when we became haters. leave it alone. stop touching it. make new art and leave what few good memories we have of this series ALONE- 😭
LORE | REKINDLED EPISODE 87 - PRIDE OR PUNISHMENT
I Will Not Forget, and Neither Should You - an analysis of the SA plot and the path that it's on.
CW: SEXUAL ASSAULT
FASTPASS SPOILERS AHEAD!
A long while back, I made a post outlining why I felt like LO was morally bankrupt and incapable of sending any positive messages within its narrative, even when it desperately tries.
At the time, I didn't think it was even possible for LO to stoop any lower. Obviously, I was proven many times since then that it is, both through its art and writing, but I feel it now more than ever with a sudden but subtle development that I can't force myself to ignore - the retconning of Persephone's sexual assault.
Rachel has never been good at addressing the SA plotline in LO. Considering it was never in the pilot version of the comic and the actual SA scene in the Originals version allegedly didn't have a trigger warning attached at first (apparently her own fanbase had to explain to her why it was, in fact, rape), it's clear Rachel bit off something she didn't anticipate and has been choking on it ever since.
From the lack of consistency in how Apollo behaves (in some scenes he's obsessed with Persephone, in others he claims she's a worthless nobody; in some scenes he's acting like a maniacal villain who's plotting to use Persephone to overthrow Zeus, in others he's just a dumb asshole with zero comprehension of the shit he's gotten himself into) to the behavior from Persephone that treats Apollo more like a shitty ex-boyfriend than a rapist when she's now more than aware of what he did but still insists she can reason with him (in her bedroom where he assaulted her, to add insult to injury), to how little the SA is actually present throughout the plot and Persephone's character arc even when it would be necessary - all of these things together tell us a lot about how hard Rachel is clearly trying to move on as fast as possible from the SA, while still using it as a cheap way to generate easy drama and clicks.
But something's been changing lately. Little things that are unfortunately adding up to something that feels sinister.
Let's start with the big one - Episode 248.
Inappropriate and misleading thumbnail aside-
(seriously, look at this, good god. it was certainly a choice to crop out the nymph ears here and use the comic's chronic Same Face Syndrome to its 'advantage' u.u)
-this episode is very divisive. Many are justifiably pissed (myself included) because we shouldn't be spending so much time on the point of view of the rapist. It's already a problem in media where rapists are written and then immediately empathized upon, as if we should "feel bad" for the person who did a morally apprehensible thing. So this episode feels very much like S3 of 13 Reasons Why, an unnecessary look into the mind of someone trying to justify what they did - but there is no justification for rape. Period.
On the other side of the argument, people are claiming that it could serve as a good way to see into Apollo's mind and see just how twisted he is.
But why do we need that? We've already seen how messed up his perspective is on countless occasions through his actions. Peeking into his mind for a "deeper look" accomplishes nothing that we haven't already been informed of and really just gives us too close of a look into the mind of someone who thinks they didn't do anything wrong. It enters the realm of empathizing.
And that's especially apparent through Apollo's central focus within this episode - overthrowing Zeus.
The fanbase does not like Zeus. The narrative does not like Zeus. Even after Zeus has done things for the sake of others, it's immediately shafted by him doing something selfish or stupid (or both). The most recent act committed by Zeus within the narrative is attempt to "dump" Dionysus on nymphs who APPARENTLY don't exist, even though we've never seen Mt. Nysa and thus just have to take Persephone at her word... and Persephone herself is not a reliable narrator, as we've clearly seen countless times throughout the story.
All that said, Zeus is a "bad guy". You're not 'supposed' to root for him (though many will still because damn is he a great character, flaws and all lmao).
So what does that say when Apollo, a rapist, monologues about how he wants to do Olympus a favor and overthrow Zeus, a tyrant?
Do you see where I'm finding the flaw in 'seeing into Apollo's mind' in this way? Besides the fact that it's an uncomfortably close look at someone we already know is a delusional abuser, it also frames Apollo as the 'good guy' because Zeus is the bigger evil. After all, how can you root against the rapist when he's done soooo much good for the community? How can you root against him when he wants to overthrow that other guy who you also hate?
It would be a different story if we knew Zeus was a good King and could thus be proof that Apollo is an unreliable narrator, but we never see this. The last decision we saw him make as the ruler of Olympus was sentence the story's main character to live in the Mortal Realm and cut off the realms so no one could move between them. And of course, he never had an actual deadline on this punishment, just dragged it out as long as he could. So, within the narrative, Zeus is clearly a "bad King." This makes this extended sequence of Apollo talking about how shitty Zeus is and showing all the good things he's done incredibly uncomfortable because it makes it clear that Apollo is meant to be the 'better option' to Zeus, who the narrative has made clear is a lazy scumbag.
Straight up, it's giving Hillary vs. Trump vibes. It's pitting two evils against each other and asking you to pick the 'lesser' of the two. And in this case, the narrative is framing Apollo as the lesser one and expecting us to empathize with him. There would be no other purpose in showing us this otherwise.
Moving on.
The second thing I want to pick apart is the most recent FastPass, Episode 252.
This episode is morally terrible for a lot of reasons, as it covers a lot of... really messed up shit, but I'm gonna focus on Persephone during her conversation with Hera because she said something that really stood out to us in the ULO community.
This... is a flat out lie.
Because, unlike all the other occasions where the narrative didn't fill us in on important information, it did make it clear how Persephone felt about Apollo in the beginning.
The only time we see in this scene where Persephone implies he's "handsome" is this one panel:
Aaaand it's not exactly enthusiastic. This is, of course, immediately followed with the scene of Persephone reluctantly accepting his apology and then Apollo grabbing her for a photo and it's written clear as day on her face that she is not comfortable:
So to now suddenly change Persephone's inner feelings from clearly uncomfortable to "I thought he was handsome and I felt so special around him" feels so disgustingly disingenuous to the narrative and its audience as a whole. We know Persephone wasn't comfortable around him, she did not like him, and she definitely did not feel 'special' around him, because it's written clear as day in both their dialogue interactions and on her face.
Episode 252 continues on with the following:
Yes, this part is technically true, but I feel like it's being expressed in a different way this time. This panel comes right after she expresses how she thought he was handsome and felt special around him - so it casts this implication that she felt upset that he left her because suddenly he wasn't paying any attention to her.
That was not the case. She was upset he left because she had just been assaulted by him, had no idea what she was going through, and felt like her leaving him was abandoning her right after a very vulnerable moment when she 'gave up' something that was clearly very important to her. Him leaving her was against her idea of sex which she had been at odds with before, during, and after the assault.
She did not hate herself for getting upset over him leaving her. She hated herself because, in her mind, she was to blame for "not fighting back". She hated herself because she was terrified others would notice.
All of this feels like some weird attempt to claim that Persephone was ever into Apollo. That it was just some "enemies to lovers gone wrong" plot when it was, in fact, a girl being assaulted by a man she just met and never liked in the first place. It further drives home the school of thought that Rachel clearly never intended that scene to be SA, but had to have it explained to her that it was SA. To the point that she, allegedly, hadn't even included a trigger warning on the original SA episode.
Of course, it's a bold move to accuse Rachel of trying to retcon the plot away from the SA. But there's one final thing I want to touch on that I think further supports this.
The print version of Volume 4.
It's been mentioned a couple times across Tumblr and IG that the books are subtly changing things, but I don't think this most recent change is being talked about enough, especially in light of how the story has been progressing in the newest up-to-date episodes.
Here's the page specifically, sourced to me by a pal on IG:
Did you catch it?
The bottom three panels are not from the original episode.
(transcript if you can't make it out:
Persephone: "Wait, d-don't hurt him."
Hades: "W-What gave you that impression?"
Persephone: "I just want him to leave.")
Here's the original version, which has remained unedited despite its physical versions being changed:
Changes like this do not exist in a vacuum. Either Rachel, her editor, or someone working for Webtoons made the very intentional decision to make this change, and you can blatantly tell how recent of a change it is based on Persephone's face alone in the third panel ("I just want him to leave") as it's artistically inconsistent with the rest of the episode (you can tell it's been drawn in that S3 style).
What is the purpose of this scene? Why was this dialogue so important that Rachel felt the need to shove it in there?
Some have argued that it's more about the implication that Hades would hurt Apollo, as Hades at this point in the story has committed a violent act on behalf of Persephone by ripping out the photographer's eye. But Persephone doesn't know that yet. She doesn't find that out for three more episodes. So there's literally zero reason for her to believe Hades will do anything violent when she hasn't seen him commit any violence and doesn't believe the rumors and stories that Hades is a violent man.
So if it was meant to be related to that whole thing, then it's a logical plothole because Persephone shouldn't have any reason to suspect Hades would do something violent, this would have made more sense if she knew about the eyeball incident before this scene happened.
So that leaves only one other option.
Persephone doesn't want Hades to hurt Apollo, because she cares about Apollo.
Again, this makes no sense plot wise because literally a handful of panels later she steals Apollo's lyre with the intention of indirectly hurting him and then some time after that she tears into Apollo telling him how she doesn't care about him-
-but again, that begs the question, why add it? What does the narrative have to gain from painting Persephone in this empathetic light towards him? This scene literally just creates logical inconsistencies, and worst of all, it implies that somehow, Persephone actually cares about Apollo to some degree.
And it goes without saying, that retcon was revealed when the book was released: June 6th, 2023 - three days after the FP release of Episode 248, which predominantly featured Apollo and his point of view which was framed in a way to make him into a sympathetic underdog. That entire sequence and what lead into it was, by the way, hamfisted into the Demeter and Persephone therapy episode, changing the subject entirely... almost like it was being rushed into the story to match up with a real life date, not far unlike the shopping makeout scene lining up with Valentine's Day for free readers, or the sudden proposal releasing for free readers and the rushed wedding for FP readers landing on Valentine's Day weekend, or the random reveal of Dionysus lining up with Mother's Day weekend during its free release.
Look, I get it. A lot of these points sound like they're being based on flimsy rhetoric, tinfoil hat even. If all of these things were happening in isolation, I would just accept it as being a coincidence and move on. I wouldn't be digging so deep into it.
But all of these points I've made are fairly recent developments that have all happened incredibly close together - albeit incredibly subtly - and, when analyzed together, points to a bigger problem that I feel is looming on the horizon that we should all be paying attention to.
Maybe this is a response to all the points that have been made in the criticism communities pointing to how the pilot version of the comic didn't include SA and should have stayed that way. Maybe it's a response to the criticism towards Rachel's handling of the SA within the Originals version and how it's clear she never intended for it to be SA and, despite acknowledging it as SA, is still trying to write it as if it isn't. Maybe it's the SA being used purely as a publicity stunt because Rachel knows it's the only plotline people are sticking around for at this point, hence why it's been dragged out longer than any other plotline in the comic, even longer than the main romance plot of the comic, which is, by and large, resolved now with the recent rushed wedding.
Either way, it's very clear to me now that Rachel has been trying and failing to brush it under the rug, because you can't brush a plotline like that under the rug, it would be irresponsible to do so.
So now, she seems to be settling for the next best thing - she's trying to erase it entirely.
Do not let her.
Reblogging because I forgot to include this part I wanted to add into the original post, but if you need confirmation of what Persephone was clearly feeling in that selfie moment - if the look on her face somehow wasn't enough - even Hera picks up on it.
Yeah, I ain't buying these sly attempts to retcon Persephone's feelings towards Apollo, and neither should you.
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LORE | REKINDLED EPISODE 86 - THE TALK
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I know you've answered this before but I can't remembr-- how do you design the character's wardrobes? I'm not really sure how to do that with my own characters and they all end up wearing similar things rather than having their own styles and I'm not sure how to go about fixing that T.T
I actually use quite a bit from the original comic! Especially for Kore. I have an entire section in my Scrivener doc that's allocated to saving images of Kore's various outfits throughout the series (big thanks to the folks in ULO who have compiled these in the first place)
So if I'm ever 'stuck' on what kind of outfit to give Kore for any particular sequence, I start by going through those outfit refs to see if any of them would be appropriate for the scene / episode. If they are, I reuse them, and if they're not, I either adapt a pre-existing outfit that's "close enough" into something new that would fit, or I go online in search of fashion magazines, Pinterest boards, etc. where I can find inspiration :>
When it comes to figuring out what kind of style of clothing a character would wear, remember that fashion is a form of expression that doesn't need words! You can show how a character views themselves or the world around them through their clothing.
Is your character shy and introverted? Show that in the way they hide their body parts underneath baggy clothing.
Do they care a lot about how other people see them, or are they fine just throwing on any old thing? If the former, show that in how they select designer brands (or whatever's fancy for the world they're in) or how they wear their make-up and hair; if the latter, show it by putting them in uncoordinated sets of sweatpants and dirty t-shirts.
Do they buy their clothing new, or secondhand, or do they make their own clothing? If it's the former, make the outfits look clean and coordinated and sterile; if it's the latter, give them stitches, random patches of color, etc.
Do they value function over form? Show that in how they prioritize clothing with lots of pockets and other built-in utilities; or how they deliberately choose not to wear additional accessories that are purely for form.
Did they grow up poor or rich? Show it in how they regularly swap entire outfits, or through how they scrimp and reuse the same clothing even after it's started to develop holes and stains.
Is the town they were raised in based on a specific culture or time period? Show it in what's borrowed from that culture and time, whether it be a Greek peplos or a Japanese yukata or European chemise.
Familiarize yourself with all the different genres and aspects and materials of an outfit, as many as you can. Cotton, polyester, wool, linen, satin; v-necks, crew necks, turtlenecks; sweaters, blouses, leotards; shawls, scarves, ponchos; denim jeans, corduroy, sweatpants, leggings; hats, headphones, goggles, earmuffs; lipstick, eyeliner, blush; earrings, face piercings, tattoos, scarification; jackets, blazers, coats, hoodies; belts, bracelets, hairbands, keychains; ponytails, buns, bobs, buzzcuts; sneakers, dress shoes, clogs; corporate casual, goth, punk, cottage core; the list goes on! Every material and aspect and genre of an outfit is a character trait in and of itself, that informs the viewer as to what the person wearing them prefers and values. The more you build your mental reference library of these aspects, the easier it'll be to find references as you need them and put together outfits on the fly, while keeping them consistent with your character's style and personality.
Most of all, understand your character! Take everything that they value, what they want to show, what they want to hide, what they fear, what they keep to themselves, what they want to be - and then show us all those things through how they dress themselves.
(I hope that helps!! <3)
LORE | REKINDLED EPISODE 85 - TANGLE UP