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I'm here to ramble about shit. Too grown to be here, too broke to leave.

[chevelleneech]

Saw side by sides of long-haired JK and long-haired JM, and for as fem as Jimin looks at times, I think I may have forgotten just how androgynous Jungkook really is when he’s not in traditional masc mode all the time. I’ve always thought he was more facially androgynous than Jimin, but with JM growing his hair out I’ve been like, “Wow, long hair suits him well. He looks pretty.” He’s always pretty, but I felt like I was finally seeing why so many people say he’s the member who looks the most like a woman, but that side by side threw me. Idk if it’s JK having big, Disney Princess eyes or what, but him with long hair doesn't register as “pretty guy”. I scrolled by the tweet and brain logged it as, “pretty girl and pretty Jimin” then buffered and was like, “Jungkook!?” What a wild experience that ten seconds was, lol.

[chevelleneech]

Just read your last anon and seeing how sensitive JK was at the end of the Paris D 2 concert, I find it hard to believe that he coud juggle some kind of deeply layered blur the lines type of relationship with JM and also date other people. How do you see him doing that? Also, I do think their relationship is strained at the moment. I just don't know if its strained from them or outside forces or both.

Being an emotional person, a sentimentalist, is not exclusive to monogamists. Thinking JK is so controlled by his emotions that he can’t handle a complex, adult relationship, is odd. He’s not a child. He has a full blown career, makes business decisions, makes personal relationship decisions, and so on. If his Thing with Jimin has been going on for years, as it appears, why would he not be able to handle it? Because he cries easy? Implying so suggests his relationship with Jimin makes him unhappy, which based on given evidence, is far from the truth. So just because you may not be able to handle some sort of open relationship or whatever, doesn’t mean Jungkook can’t.

And I’m not saying that to insult you, I’m saying it as an objective truth. We don’t know if JK is dating anyone in any capacity, but my opinion is that he and JM have a Thing. What the details are, idk, but I think it’s likely complicated because of who they are and their working relationship. How that “complicated” manifests is unknown to me, but I do think Jungkook is old enough to deal with it, because I don’t view him as a kid. I don’t think him being emotional takes away from his ability to make adult decisions.

As well, just because I don’t like open relationships doesn’t mean JK is the same. Not only that, but I have no idea how he and Jimin even view their relationship with one another. They may have messed around and never once concluded they should date. They may have never thought of themselves as anything more than “friends who fool around sometimes”, and there is nothing we can do about that. We can make a thousand a one assumptions about what they’ve got going on, and not one can be correct.

Lastly, about him and Jimin going through a strain… based on what? The same things people base it on every other week when they don’t interact, only to take it back as soon as they do? Not everything the two of them feel or express has to be in relation to whatever they have going on, and refusing to let that fact be true never fails to confuse me.

Yes, he was crying on stage, but what does that have to do with Jimin? Why does that have to insinuate anything to do with his relationship with Jimin, regardless of if it’s platonic or not? Y’all also keep saying they’re not interacting on stage or aren’t doing enough, and that not seeing them off stage is also a sign, but how? We don’t see Yoongi pretty much ever, off stage, yet no one questions his relationship with any of the members. Why is it okay for other members to have privacy and interact with one another behind closed doors, but not JM and JK? And on the flip side, why is it okay for other members to interact publicly with one another and it be okay, but JM and JK interacting publicly with other members is a sign they are avoiding each other? They can’t be private together, because it means distance. But they can’t be public together, because it means fan service. So what can they be?

Y’all don’t know, on either side, but would still rather hypothesize every prolonged blink or breath instead of just letting them exist. Again, we’ll find out eventually. So unless something drastic happens, just let it be.

[yoongikook]

normal and special, they are just some lines

[chevelleneech]

About Jikook, I have some thoughts that are maybe kind of dumb, but mostly I agree with you.

I think people expecting them to act like they did in 2019-2020 is silly. They still seem comfortable and playful on stage, but there have been no big “moments.” Everything is very small, looks, smiles, touches, etc. Does this mean they hate each other now? Obviously not, or they wouldn’t interact with each other at all, or at least not with the same ease that they still do. Does this mean that their relationship has changed? Yes, but that’s natural and normal. They have grown up and matured and so has their relationship. That’s actually a good and healthy thing, even if it doesn’t serve fans exactly what they wanted.

I think it’s obvious that they’re not hanging out together often in public this tour. Their public interactions off-stage recently are maybe 1. While I still think it’s dumb to assume they hate each other because of this, I do think we can acknowledge it. They seem to have very different approaches to public life right now. Jungkook is all about social media to an almost parasocial extent, while Jimin continues to be the internet’s favorite punching bag. I wouldn’t be surprised if we find out later that they weren’t hanging out mostly in private together since they already have a reputation for doing that. I would be more surprised if we find out that they weren’t hanging out together privately.

Now for my dumb thoughts: I think something’s going on with them. Like you, I think their relationship is not platonic, but it’s also not a long-term exclusive romantic relationship. I think they care about each other a lot, they’re best friends, kind of codependent, and very different people as individuals. I think they have had/do have other partners and it was messy then, too.

Now for what’s going on with them currently: Based on (1) their lack of public off-stage interactions together, (2) a pattern of Jimin forgoing opportunities to interact with the members (including Jungkook) in favor of interacting with the fans during recent concerts, and (3) Jungkook sobbing at the end of their most recent concert with no members (including Jimin) attempting to comfort him… well something is going on. Is it necessarily a Jikook problem? No, but usually (1) they hang out together publicly more often, (2) Jimin and Jungkook never pass up opportunities to interact with each other on-stage, and (3) Jimin is THE member to comfort Jungkook. To me this all indicates that something is going on.

Obviously I have no real idea, and I understand that I am delusional on many levels, but this is just what I’m thinking right now.

I respect your opinion, but I think where I differ from just the overall, “something not great is happening” thing, is that I genuinely don’t think so. Not in a way that implies they’re happy and perfectly fine, but in a way that ventures back to the start of the hiatus.

Jimin and Jungkook weren’t seen in public very much at all together, not that they were to begin with. In tours? Yes, but at home? No. However, we also saw Jimin saying that he was busy a lot and all that stuff leading to the conclusion that something must have had gone wrong between them and neither of them were happy, they were broken up, and so on. Fast forward to AYS s1 and we learned they were in fact not seeing each other much, and were essentially playing phone tag and not calling each other back and neither of them were happy about it. However, we also found out they didn’t like that and wanted to be around each other, and inevitably signed up for the buddy system in the military.

So to reiterate, I’m not saying absolutely nothing is going on, because I don’t know that. What I will say though, is that no matter how distant they appeared back then… they still chose to travel together. Jimin said himself he was nervous about flying to New York to film the show, and we can assume his nerves were because he and JK simply weren’t on the best of talking terms prior, yet during filming what did we see? Them holding hands before the trip was even underway.

So while I do think they’ve got some complicated, non-monogamous shit going on, I also don’t think anything we see from them really tells us anything. Yes, we can say it seems like they’re not hanging out much on stage, but stage moments will always be bottom of the totem pole in terms of telling us what they’re feelings are about each other. During the PTD live era the two of them were practically inseparable, yet very soon after is when we saw them start to get distant. So it’s impossible to really say what triggered them to do that, since we don’t see all that much about what triggers them to act so attached.

And again I have to point out, Hobi just posted them hugged up on the plane, and just last week or so they were having fun on stage. No the moments weren’t “big”, but why do they need to be? Why are they the only two who need to have explosive moments on stage for their bond to not be questioned? It’s not fair to attribute every emotion they do or don’t outwardly express to their possible non-platonic relationship. Jungkook is allowed to cry and be sad about something (I don’t think he was telling the truth about it being because this was the last European show) without it having anything to do with Jimin.

I understand we all have our thoughts and opinions, and mine are no more correct than anyone else’s, but the more time passes, the more I struggle to believe JM and JK are two people who flip-flop between being touchy and flirty best friends dating other people, and non-platonic friends whoever explored each others body. I don’t think they have emotional ups and downs as often as so many others seem to, because it simply would not be sustainable for the group. I think whatever they have is definitely not official, but it’s also not something they struggle with as much as one might think. I think it’s probably not ideal, but it’s working. I also think them hanging out off camera and off stage probably still happens as it did before, because again, we still haven’t seen even half of that time spent between them.

So my current conclusion is that JK is probably dealing with something, and the members were visibly concerned yet working. It was the very end is the concert, and JK is 28 now. He’s their little brother, but he’s not a baby. He gave a reason and they respected that reason in stage, but who truly knows what happened once they were out of sight if fans? Not everything is for us, and because of that, not everything we see can be ingested as the full story. Yes, Jimin does comfort Jungkook th most, but just because he didn’t do so on stage doesn’t mean he ignored him and went on about his merry way backstage. It doesn’t mean he didn’t call him or go to his hotel room once they were cleaned up and ready to wind down.

We also don’t know what the real reason was behind JK crying so much this show, and if he was telling the truth, then we do know and nothing deeper is going on, you know? All we can do is let it play out and make our assumptions, but not let them overtake reality.

Also, lastly, to circle back real quick, yes, JM and JK do pass up moments to interact on stage. They’ve bypassed each other plenty of times over the years, yet still end up back smiling and laughing in each other’s faces. They did the same during PTD live. During one day they weren’t interacting much at all and people said something was going on, then during another day, Jungkook literally carried jimin out of the venue with a big smile on his face. Which is why I say we can’t really determine anything, because what we see isn’t all that’s going on. They have lives and feelings outside of one another, so all we can do is wait. One day we’ll know the truth, because that’s just how fame works.

[chevelleneech]

There’s a guy on YouTube who made a review on BTS after hearing Hooligan in passing. He went through all seven solo members music to a degree, but his overall conclusion is that they’re “too good” for the group and Arirang is them aiming to pivot from boyband to real artists, and while I do think he has some good points, it’s very clear he likes BTS but doesn’t want to say he likes a boy band, so he’s both too scared to deep dive yet too lazy to put effort into something catching his interest.

Because he speaks about them and their music as if he actually spent a few weeks listening to them and understanding their lyrics, when he didn’t. He had preconceived ideas from years prior (2017-2020), watched a guide or two based on the info he discusses, and read an interview or three based on his final opinions. However, his main through line was: “They’re trying to grow up and step away from their boy band image.” Which is completely false.

BTS as a group and as soloists have been making “grown up” music for years. Rapline has been rapping their asses off for over a decade, and while Big Hit has a say in their artistry, the company does not appear to be as overbearing as “non-kpop” fans so desperately wish them to be.

So while I understand the guy having his own opinions on songs (as I do too and don’t like everything they make), I find it so interesting that he’s set himself into a position where he will surely be praised for having “nice, not rude opinions”, yet anyone who pushes back will be viewed as hateful and unwilling to accept that not everyone loves BTS. He is 100% in the zone, and it’s all because he spoke in a calm and confident tone of voice. Yet with the exceptions of his subjective opinions, which we all have, he talks about the members as if they’re children who don’t known what they want otherwise they’d leave the group.

Now, I don’t think it’s a terrible review of the group nor any of their albums. I don’t think everyone has to love everything, and he was critical without being an asshole. What I would say to him if I knew him though, would be, “Do more research.” You can’t state something in a way that reads as fact, when you are starting in fictional place.

He heard Hooligan and immediately assumed BTS were trying to stop doing bubble gum pop, yet didn’t bother to circle back to any album older than 2020. He knew songs from 2016+, but only the poppier ones. He didn’t discuss anything about lyrics, only the flow of rapline, where he states they deserve better than “Disney channel flows” in group albums, when they don’t do “Disney flows” on anything outside of Butter and DNA at most.

Anyway, like I said, I think he’s entitled to his opinions same as anyone else, but if people are going to watch his review, they have to do so with discernment. He isn’t complimenting the group and correcting his own biases so much as he’s belittling their contributions and artistry, because he himself refuses to listen to anything they’ve made that is older than a handful of years back, and he clearly refused to read lyrics on anything outside of their English songs which his why he feels Normal (a good song, yes) is lyrically the best off of Arirang, and 2.0 (which is not my favorite either, tbh) and other rap forward tracks are a mess.

It’s also clear he got most of his information from top searches on Google if not ChatGPT, because the bulk of his Arirang talking points are about how the album is an “experimental mixed bag” (aka the key words from “fans” who disliked the album), despite it being equally as hip-hop and r&b forward as not only their older stuff, but each of the members solos work. Jin is probably the only member not fully represented on the album, but he also makes the most different music when solo, so that makes sense.

Anyway, it’s good to want neutral, fleshed out reviews of BTS, but they only work if the person giving them has done the work. And it is okay to make a review video based on limited information, but it’s not okay to present your opinions as if you have their music a true effort, when you didn’t. I say all the time that I don’t love everything BTS puts out, and I don’t care if other Army dislike what I say about certain songs. However, when I talk about BTS or any other artist, I do my research. It’s not that hard.

[chevelleneech]

This level of insecurity as a writer blows my mind. I’ve been in fandom for a long time, I’ve seen many fic writers come and go, but the HR fandom has the whinest writers I’ve ever seen. Not all, obviously, but these folks complain every two days about what “gives them the ick.”

Stop writing. I’m so serious. They can’t handle mean comments, can’t handle critique even if it’s harmless, can’t handle people asking for new chapters even when harmless, can’t handle someone disliking characterization, can’t handle rec lists, can’t handle other people getting complimented, can’t handle people saying, “hey, stop posting ao3 screenshots of fics you haven’t written yet”, and so on and so on, so just let it go.

Y’all do not need to be fic authors if every aspect of what comes with it “icks” you out. The whole, “fic authors do this for the love of the material!” is no longer a valid either, because clearly in the HR fandom that is not the case. HR writers want constant and unquestioned praise, to be coddled always, and to be the most popular writer in the fandom who gets to pretend they are shocked by the love and don’t deserve it. Y’all want popularity and command, and not getting it is the only reason they’re all so “icked” by everything.

And yes, I will talk my shit, because I wrote fic that went nowhere in terms of popularity, but don’t care, because that is not why I wrote them. I write when the mood strikes, because I love the characters in question and want to share my ideas with other fans. If people read it and hate it, so be-it. I don’t love every fic I’ve ever read. Do I leave nasty comments? No, but such is the price of putting creative work into the world. If you want to write but can’t stomach bad feedback or you feel so bad about yourself when others are praised you have to announce why it’s supposedly not nice to other writers, don’t post your writing publicly. Keep it for you and your friend group.

[chevelleneech]

Did anyone come into your inbox and understand what you meant with the context being seen? I think youre talking about the relationship right?

No they didn’t, likely because I intentionally chose to not tag accordingly just to see if it was just my thoughts on the matter. As for what it was about, I’m not going to specify because clearly I was seeing what I wanted to see based on what I saw. Which I know sounds ridiculous, but I do think the thing I was speaking on was relevant to people who follow me during the hour I posted about it. So the post either got buried or no one got it, which is fine. It’s not a big deal.

[chevelleneech]

Just realized Hudson and BTS were in Paris at the same exact time, doing the same shit pretty much, yet no link up… I am devastated, actually.

[chevelleneech]

Am I suffering amnesia on how to navigate YouTube or is the music video for Normal not there? I can’t find it at all.

[chevelleneech]

Jk is yearning again. I honestly think he's sick of hiding. And I don't blame him. I bet it feels like a slap in the face going from AYS and joint enlistment to whatever Jikook's been doing lately. It must feel like taking steps back.

Y’all say this every five business days. Could he be yearning? Sure, but we’ve been seeing them together from Hobi’s post here and there, have we not? We’ve been seeing them laughing and smiling and enjoying picking with each other on stage, have we not? Just because they’re also hanging with their other best friends doesn’t mean something is going on, and I do not understand why y’all always jump to that conclusion.

I’ve said this before, but the same way it’s ridiculous that the people who hate them scream every interaction is fan service, it’s equally as ridiculous to believe that them being out and about with other members “more” means they’re going through something. If Jimin and JK are legitimately involved, being on tour, same as it’s always been when they tour, is not going to be them attached at the hip 24/7 because they need space. Space is good and healthy, and as we know, they enjoy limiting said space anyway.

During their previous tours, they were together often and we saw a lot of it, but that was also when they were younger. 2019 and 2020 was when we saw the biggest “proof” of non-platonic behavior, but it’s been six years. Jimin is going on 31 and JK 29. They’re seemingly more careful and selective about being seen out, but as we’ve just seen, they do go out together. As we’ve seen in AYS, no matter how much people brush it off, they do go on dates and whatnot. I genuinely don’t care what anyone says about the show, either, because having a reality show with your best friend is one thing. Centering said reality show around the two of you traveling the world, constantly cuddling in bed, feeding each other, and waxing poetic about how you never want to stop having said experiences with one another, is not platonic.

Point is, Jungkook is probably not yearning. He’s a sad boy at heart who likes yearning lyrics, as we’ve known for years, but based on how we’ve seen them for the past month at minimum, he seems his usual self. Neither you nor I know what’s actually going on with them, so there is no reason to assume JK is yearning and wanting former days back, just because he posted a song on IG. He could very easily be laid up with Jimin as I type.

Lastly, I just want to really point out a fact told about Jikook to us, from Jikook: years and years and years have gone by where we’ve learned they often hang out in the same hotel room late into the night. For years Jimin has told us JK sneaks into his room to take photos and videos of him while he’s asleep. We’ve been told JK pops up to just sit in Jimin’s room when he’s bored or lonely. We’ve seen photos and videos from fans on the street of them together, and evidence of JK photographing Jimin in official content multiple times, yet despite their friendship constantly being called fan service… they never post about those moments. With the exception of GCFT and maybe a few short clips here or there, we have not been given so much as a glimpse into the thousands of hours of footage they’ve taken of each other or together. We know the two of them hang out with Jin together a lot, with Hobi together a lot, and with Tae together a lot, and yet again… rarely do we see the supposed planned and orchestrated ship people say they are.

All of that to say, JM and JK know what they’re doing, and whether or not they are happy with their circumstances isn’t really something we can decipher, because contrary to popular argument, we do not see much of how they act behind closed doors. They do not show us. What we do see already feels extremely obvious too, as does what we’re told by them and other members, yet we still aren’t being given all the puzzle pieces in the box. So if 14 years already seems to form a quarter of a picture showcasing non-platonic friends trying to find their footing with one another, imagine what 50% looks like. Imagine 90%.

Jikook is way more secretive than a lot of people want to admit, but choosing not to accept it just because what we see feels like a lot and it’s hard to imagine even more coupled up than they already do, doesn’t mean they’re struggling. It means we don’t have all the information, and whatever that extra info is, is theirs to keep private.

[chevelleneech]

Jimin and JK are hanging out again right as someone was in the tag talking about how they don’t and won’t do so off stage.

Then again, maybe they’re just filming. After all, they do hate each other and only get along on camera, even though their relationship never seems strained in the interim.

[chevelleneech]

Your las post about black n white SAMEEE. it drives me crazy how everyone raves about them and love their content, and they whitewash jk and jm like he'll, I hate it! they take great pics i dont understand the need to edit them like that, I mean I do but I hate it

I don’t interact with any of their posts or photos, because it’s actually ridiculous how pale she makes them. Claiming to love your faves yet completely erasing their natural skin color is such so deep-seated hate, even if subconscious.

[chevelleneech]

Girl, that’s basically 99% of SKs with whitewashing their photos.

Trust me, I know.

[chevelleneech]

Hudson is on a giant building wrap to promote Yaga! So excited for the trailer for this. Are you going to look into that show or that not your kind of thing?

I hardly know what Yaga is about tbh, but I do plan to watch it.

[chevelleneech]

Shipping aside, I truly wonder what Jimin and Jungkook think about people who insist they don’t like hanging out with one another. When they do, it’s fan service whether on stage, for their reality show, or when captured by other members, yet when they don’t, it’s proof of their true feelings. Yet the other members hanging out on stage, during official content, or in photos and videos from other members is considered real enjoyment.

It has been a decade and then some of the same exact deconstructions of their friendship, yet there is nothing there to prove it true. These are two people who have said from their own mouths and showed time and time again that they like being in each other’s company, so I really wonder what their take on it all is. Do they laugh it off as nonsense, or does it ever irritate them that no amount of sincerity when they speak changes people’s minds? Because everything they do together is taken as either a company created lie or meaningless fan service, but only between the two of them. When it’s another pairing, it’s genuine friendship and is reposted over and over across the fandom as a whole. It’s “allowed” to become a running inside joke without judgment.

Now, I don’t think they dwell of it often, seeing as they haven’t stopped being the way they are, but I wonder if it crosses their minds from time to time, and if so, do they talk about it?

[chevelleneech]

Can you explain what “There is nothing there given the context of what’s being seen.” means?

No, which is the point. If people get me, they get me. If not, then it’s just me, which is fair enough.

[chevelleneech]

Why I just seen a tweet about how Jimin cuddles JK to help with his adhd, lmao!

People really can’t just enjoy a ship. Jungkook does not need cuddles for his damn adhd, y’all. He and Jimin are incredibly tactile and there are absolutely moments when I think Jimin is more aware of the type of touch JK needs when he becomes visibly over stimulated (we’ve all seen it), but I also think it’s totally fine to think they’re cuddling because they want to be. They don’t need a reason.