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[circe1fanatic]

All this anti Arya and Trident nonsense just reminded how fucked up that whole situation was. Obviously, to people who read the book and have common sense, Joffrey and Cersei are at fault. But when certain people bring up how violent and bad Arya was, I can't help but think about one reaction that the majority of the ASOIAF miss even though it's not only concerning, but disturbing- S*nsa's.

Even before Arya was found and taken to Robert to defend herself against Joffrey and Cersei's accusations (because Arya had already been accused of attacking Joffrey unprovoked before S*nsa was ever called upon) and Lady was killed, S*nsa never showed any concern towards her sister. The incident at the Trident is in S*nsa's POV so the reader knows exactly what she was thinking and feeling. And we know she was upset about her day was being ruined and her "poor prince". But that's it. Her sister was being attacked and it only stopped because of Nymeria? She's not worried about her sister. In fact, she comforts her sister's attacker and yells at her. Arya was missing for days, on her own in the woods, and in the 4 books S*nsa is in, we've never seen ever feeling scared or remorseful about what she said or did to Arya. It doesn't even seem to register that her sister was in danger. And this behavior towards Arya continues after she's found, and in some ways, is even worse.

And the Trident is just one example of S*nsa's lack of empathy and compassion for those she deemed lesser to her. Again, since the books are written in POV, we know exactly what S*nsa thinks and feels. We know that she was disgusted by Mycah and wrongly blamed him for the incident even though she witnessed what happened (again, the Trident is in her POV) and knew he was violently murdered . We know that she looked down on Jeyne, was annoyed Jeyne was crying about her father, and never cared to ask about Jeyne after she was taken away. We know that Jory, who spent years in her family's service, was killed and her only thought on the matter was that she was happy that his replacement was better looking. The fact that her father was attacked and his men were killed didn't seem to ever register to her. These were people she grew up around, she knew them for years, yet she felt nothing towards them. And that's just in the first book. S*nsa doesn't grow as much in empathy or compassion as people claim in the other books.

Yet, Arya, the one people claim is sociopath, violent natured, and a "murder baby", felt concern, pain, and sadness when she saw that her father's men were killed. She was devastated when Mycah was killed. She even tried to make amends with S*nsa only to be cruelly rejected. And despite everything she went through, Arya continued to make friends, help and defend others, and show empathy and compassion in the following books.

It's all in the books, very well detailed as is GRRM's way, but yet some how, almost an entire fandom missed it.

[fromtheseventhhell]

Arya learned the Braavosi language and culture well enough to pass as someone "born and bred" there while interacting with actual native Braavosi, but I'm supposed to think she's going to have difficulty navigating Westerosi noble life...as someone who was actually raised as a Westerosi noble? The way you can tell that people don't think before they "theorize" about Arya will always crack me up

[queen-of-andor]

It always starts with "Sansa and Arya's relationship is normal sisters' relationship" and ends up with " Arya was never bullied by Sansa and Jeyne. She's an unreliable narrator".

[swordsandarms]

I've said this before but I find it disturbing that a girl of 9 like Arya wanting to play outside over "behaving like a woman" by 3 and being conditioned to think of nothing but having someone's babies by 11 like Sansa is the weird one here.

[queen-of-andor]

Ok, I normally don't screen shot people's deleted posts but since this was a reply to my own post and I actually spend time to reply back but Tumblr ate my post (bc meanwhile they had deleted their reply) I'll post my thoughts here:

Highborn kids learning some skill (embroidery, swordfighting etc) isn't the same with lowborn kids doing actual labor working as farmers, apprentices, servants or worse being slaves ( this applies mostly to Essos).

The only part I agree with the above post is that Bran and Rickon were supposed to shoeing horses. Neither where any of the other Stark kids.

All the Stark kids ( Jon and Arya included) enjoyed a life of certain privileges while living on Winterfell.

The difference between those two and the rest of their siblings is that they actually had to work once they left Winterfell. Jon when he joined Night's Watch and Arya when she became servant ( basically a slave) at Harrenhal and later when she joined the House of Black and White.

[she-wolfblood]

Anyways, when we talk about Arya and Jon being the only Stark children who have done labor, aren't we referring to their arcs after they leave Winterfell? Jon working in the night watch and Arya in Bravoos (and harrenhal too)

Not that they were the only Stark children to do work at Winterfell while the others watched from their seats.

When we talk about Jon and Arya being the only Stark children who have done labor, it is to point out how this influences their character development, not to throw shit at the other Stark children.

Obviously Bran and Rickon can't do much because they are children and Sansa, no matter how much they want to sell that Sansa doing embroidery as labor, she did it as a hobby. It's stupid to compare your pretty Sansa with her pretty hobby with the people who embroider so they can eat something. So yeah it's not the same

[fromtheseventhhell]

"Arya stans are so delusional"

The delusional Arya stan in question:

[thelustybraavosimaid]

Laughs

Oh yes, and it's not as if he hasn't talked about it before.

No, no...not at all....

[cat4755776]

I’d just like to acknowledge that South Africa wouldn’t have such a strong case without the work of the journalists, both alive and martyred, on the ground in Gaza supplying the world with firsthand information about the genocide and that they deserve thanks for it.

[enjymemink]

Thank you Yemen 🇾🇪

Despite being one of the poorest countries in the world, they showed more empathy than those so-called civilized developed countries.

[wearenotjustnumbers2]

Yesterday marked the 100th day of genocide. Please, do not get used to this. Our people, killed, bombed, kidnapped, stripped, executed and starved is not normal. Our kids in pieces, their body parts collected in bags is not normal.

Israel has killed 23,700 human. More than 10,300 child. We'd need 177 school bus to carry the Palestinian children killed by Israel in gaza. 10,022 fatherless child. 8,352 motherless child. The wounded have their wounds rot and die waiting in front of the crossing. Maggots seen inside alive people's wounds. 5,500 pregnant woman will give birth in the upcoming weeks. 100 Days of Genocide. 100 Days of the world watching silently.

[gendrie]

All but Needle. She stood on the end of the dock, pale and goosefleshed and shivering in the fog. In her hand, Needle seemed to whisper to her. Stick them with the pointy end, it said, and, don't tell Sansa! Mikken's mark was on the blade. It's just a sword. If she needed a sword, there were a hundred under the temple. Needle was too small to be a proper sword, it was hardly more than a toy. She'd been a stupid little girl when Jon had it made for her. "It's just a sword," she said, aloud this time . . . . . . but it wasn't. (Arya, AFFC)

Crowfood had fingered his beard. "Dead now, I suppose. That smith of yours as well. A man who knew his steel. What was his name?" Jeyne had hesitated. Mikken, Theon thought. His name was Mikken. The castle blacksmith had never made any lemoncakes for Sansa, which made him far less important than the castle cook in the sweet little world she had shared with her friend Jeyne Poole. Remember, damn you. Your father was the steward, he had charge of the whole household. The smith's name was Mikken, Mikken, Mikken. I had him put to death before me! "Mikken," Jeyne said. (Theon, TWOW)

[gendrie]

something about arya and sansa’s twow chapters that i think is very interesting is that in mercy arya thinks, a couple times, that what she’s saying is a lie. in particular about the language she speaks and her age. theres a clear line between where arya ends and mercy begins. 

but sansa does not interpret a single thing she says as a lie. which, i assure you, does not mean she’s not lying lol. this is sansa we’re talking about. it likely just mean she believes everything she’s saying. with sansa and alayne its not as clear where one begins and the other ends. 

which is kind of further emphasized by the fact arya’s name is used twice at the end of the chapter where as sansa’s name is never mentioned in hers (but she does make references to sansa’s family/friend) 

[queen-of-andor]

My pet peeve is when fans call Catelyn or Sansa's hair red instead of auburn.

They don't have hair "red like fire", they have reddish brown (auburn) hair which is beautiful but different shade.

Interestingly enough, those fans never say the same about Robb or Bran or Rickon.

[jackoshadows]

I saw a post about how Sansa is special because GRRM played with colours for her and gave her the hair colour of a weirwood....

That's 452 who have not read the books if they think Sansa's hair colour is the blood red of the Weirwood leaves.

Okay, first of all, being the Weirwood white and red would have Sansa looking like Ghost. Are they saying Sansa is similar in appearance to Ghost with her 'porcelain skin' and 'red' hair?

Secondly, the character who comes closest to looking like a weirwood is Melisandre, who is literally called a red priestess and Jon keeps associating her with red and at one point compares her red eyes and ruby to Ghost's eyes.

Ygritte had been kissed by fire; the red priestess was fire, and her hair was blood and flame. ----- She even smells red. The scent reminded him of Mikken's forge, of the way iron smelled when red-hot; the scent was smoke and blood. Kissed by fire, he thought, remembering Ygritte. ------ The red woman's robes of deep-dyed scarlet swirled about her, and her coppery hair made a halo round her face. ------ When he turned he saw Ygritte. She stood beneath the scorched stones of the Lord Commander's Tower, cloaked in darkness and in memory. The light of the moon was in her hair, her red hair kissed by fire. When he saw that, Jon's heart leapt into his mouth. "Ygritte," he said. "Lord Snow." The voice was Melisandre's. ------- … warm? Warmth calls to warmth, Jon Snow." Her eyes were two red stars, shining in the dark. At her throat, her ruby gleamed, a third eye glowing brighter than the others. Jon had seen Ghost's eyes blazing red the same way, when they caught the light just right.

And then what about Catelyn, Robb, Bran and Rickon? They have the same shade of eye and hair colour. They too would be having 'porcelain skin' like Arya and Jon and Ned....

It's the way Arya is the character who is written to be unique and novel amongst the Stark kids in looks - the only Stark kid to have the Stark look - and yet we will get this made up fanon about Sansa.

As for which colours are associated with Northern aesthetics...

That is not Lord Eddard’s daughter.Arya had her father’s eyes, the grey eyes of the Starks - Reek, ADwD

The battlements and crenellations were crowned with snow and hung with icicles. All the color had been leached from Winterfell until only grey and white remained. The Stark colors. Theon did not know whether he ought to find that ominous or reassuring. Even the sky was grey. Grey and grey and greyer. The whole world grey, everywhere you look, everything grey except the eyes of the bride. The eyes of the bride were brown.

Along the walls the banners hung: the horseheads of the Ryswells in gold, brown, grey, and black; the roaring giant of House Umber; the stone hand of House Flint of Flint’s Finger; the moose of Hornwood and the merman of Manderly; Cerwyn’s black battle-axe and the Tallhart pines. The largest banners were behind the dais, where the direwolf of Winterfell and the flayed man of the Dreadfort hung back of the bride and groom. The sight of the Stark banner hit Theon harder than he had expected. Wrong, it’s wrong, as wrong as her eyes. - The Prince of Winterfell, ADwD

[circe1fanatic]

Finally got my old laptop back and sadly but as expected, all my jonrya wip are gone. I did find one wip, not sure why I emailed myself the story but I did. Also not sure if it's worth finishing though. Totally different to my other stories. Jon and Arya are kind of the villains in it. They did bad bad things.

If any of my fellow jonrya stans have time to give me their opinion on it, please msg me.

[thelustybraavosimaid]

Okay full offense but anyone who thinks that George, whose favourite female character is Arya, would write her dying unceremoniously so she and Franken!NymArya would serve as a replacement for Lady is a fucken fool and needs to go stand in the corner

[fromtheseventhhell]

I don't think anyone who believes Arya is focused on revenge has ever actually read her chapters, it's just been one long game of telephone where people repeat a take they heard so they can pretend they know what they're talking about

[queen-of-andor]

Welcome to asoiaf! Where every character is allowed to be affected by harmful stuff happened to them except from Arya who should get over the bullying she endured bc that's "just sisters being sisters".

[naetaesarya]

Caveat: Arya may be affected by harmful things if and only if limited to the following -- 1) Fucking off forever and leaving Sansa's throne the North wide open and with one less claimant because Arya's "too broken" to live amongst the humans on land :'(

[odinsblog]

Macbeth Syndrome: a crippling fear that the same violence you used to rise to power will be exacted upon you. This explains sO much about white America in general, and settler colonialist countries specifically. Speaking of Israel….