[2009dan]

hi i made a video roasting all of the ppl who sent me hate cos it was fucking hilarious thanks for the tea :))))))) ok bye 

[mrandmrlesterhowell]

well I guess the anti’s are bored today which is why I’m getting hate! but jog on,  seriously don’t bother.. Dan’s rants from 2012 that you keep on rehashing, are at best sad and pathetic and at the most, disrespectful to him when he was in such a dark place.

 I have been following phil for 10 years and dan since he came along and if you really think that throwing a tantrum is going to make me change my mind… guess again. 

 I ship phan bc I have no doubt what so ever it’s real, I have seen so many things now sadly deleted that make it so obvious and if you can’t see that, for what ever reason, you can’t or don’t want to see two grown men in love then you are missing out.

But if you don’t ship phan? block me… how hard is that?

end of discussion.

[contraphan]

sorry for being annoying but i wanted to tell u about this thing! theres a document with all of dnp's interactions in 2009 and they definitely suggest there's a lot more to it than friendship, or at least there was back then (it doesnt "prove" anything, but it's heavily suggesting - gosh i hate it when ppl try to "prove" their relationship lmao) it's on this tumblr called 'phan-timeline' and theres a password but it's ,, cherrily easy to guess lmao. just wanted to share! (and u dont have to)

yeah i found the whole phan directory + timelines shit a couple years back and I’ve been through it a number of times (despite the fact I now believe this was a massive invasion of privacy and would not do it now). i assume you want my response to it and were not just informing me of it but if i’m wrong then just ignore this post.

first and foremost, this holds no significance whatsoever in light of the comments dan has made after this timeline happened. None. if he rejects that they dated and says the screenshots don’t prove anything, then that’s the truth. you can choose to not believe him but it’s outright illogical to trust an outdated source that doesn’t even directly address an issue (them dating) over the person himself commenting on it in more recent times. If you’re gonna pick and choose as you please then this conversation is over because nothing holds any significance when you believe what you want to believe regardless of what information you’re given. Second, even if we were to ignore dan, there is not a SINGLE thing in the timeline i have not done with friends. i don’t know what your dynamic with your friends is but i comfortably joke around with mine the way that they did. THIRDLY. even if this were NOT the norm and their friendship was more affectionate or unusual, this does NOT mean they were dating – ESPECIALLY since it has literally been denied numerous times and never stated ONCE. not even one of the 2009 screenshots says they are an item. the only thing you can possibly use is the v-day video but since they’ve both said it was a joke, then it was a joke. again, you can choose to ignore that they’ve said this but I’d rather take it from the mouth of the people involved than draw my own conclusions from half-compiled screenshots a decade old. at the end of the day you don’t (and will never) know what is actually real so the ONLY thing you can do is just trust what they say. if you don’t do that, you’re choosing the story as you want it to be.

[contraphan]

curlyhowlter reblogged your post and added:

I mean you ignored the main joke but ok here’s a...

I’m replying like this because the post is too long but I said serious fic, that has a disclaimer that it’s a joke in the first sentence

[contraphan]

i know this was a few days ago but i just thought i’d let u know that the screenshots u posted of dan “”denying”” phan are fake – try searching a few keywords of them on his blog, they don’t show up. my theory is that some creepy fan who wanted dan all to themself (u know the type :/) made them to make it seem like dan was straight all along. i guess we’ll never know. cheers!

yeah except i followed dan when he posted these asks and remember them myself so you’re wrong. here’s a link to one of the posts i screenshotted but it’s a reblog (you can tell it’s real but deleted because of the source link. also i know that’s not the one you were talking about but thought it was better than nothing) and here’s a link to a VIDEO of him denying it + frowning at the thought. dan deleted everything when he realised that even denying it perpetuates it

also here’s an archive of all his deleted asks if you’re curious

[waveydnp-deactivated20190301]

What is the uma Thurman watched me have sex thing pardon my stupid questions but I am new and that sounds significant

dan tweeted this while spending the week at phil’s house while he parents were out of town:

followed by a picture of this poster on phil’s door:

[subbydan-deleted]

daddy!phil is fucking into babyboy!dan gently and dan is rambling about winnie the pooh and singing the alphabet song and giggling and phil is just staring at his baby fondly and placing cute kisses on his nose, forehead and cheeks

This is so cute I love it so much <3 Sorry for the wait!

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-”Daddy,” Dan calls around his pacifier from the lounge. After a few moments, Phil pops his head into the lounge with a smile. “C’mere, need you.”

-”I’m here,” Phil assures, coming and sitting beside Dan on the carpet and wrapping his arm around him. 

Before he can ask what Dan needs, Dan is climbing into his lap staring at Phil. “Big boy problems,” he says solemnly, then grabs Phil’s shirt and buries his face in the fabric. It takes Phil a moment to understand, but once he does, he gently splays his hands on Dan’s waist and guides him in slowly rocking his hips into Phil’s. They stay like that for a while before Phil stands up, lifting Dan to his feet as well and taking his hand. He guides Dan to their bedroom and gestures for Dan to lie on the bed as Phil takes off his own clothes. He cocks his head to the side when he hears what sound like humming, until he notices where it’s coming from.

-”You’re so cute,” Phil says, heart melting when Dan giggles around his paci in response. He climbs onto the bed as well and starts stripping off Dan’s boxers, leaving him in his oversized sweater and knee-high  socks. Leaning over Dan and nuzzling his neck, Phil reaches to the nightstand for the lube. As soon as it’s in his hands, he drizzles some lube on his fingers and moves them down to rub against Dan’s entrance. Dan’s hands flutter uselessly in the air, unsure where to go, before settling on Phil’s shoulders with a soft hum.

-Phil pushes in two fingers at first, knowing that Dan’s still stretched from the night before, and waits for a moment before he slowly begins to move them in and out. “D- do you think in the hundred acre woods they have daddies as good a-as you?” babbles Dan, moving his hips back onto Phil’s fingers. “’Cause you’re so n-nice and good and- and pooh and Christopher Robin and Piglet all deserve good daddies.”

-Smiling fondly, Phil kisses the tip of Dan’s nose. “Thank you, baby. I’m sure they do.” He slips in a third finger and scissors them, opening Dan up and pressing kisses to his dimples. “Are you ready?”

-”Mhmm!”

-In answer, Phil moves back from Dan, giving his ribs a reassuring pat at the resulting whine, to make sure he has enough lube on his cock to keep from hurting Dan. He pushes in, inch by inch, reaching up one hand to interlaces his fingers with Dan’s. Listening to Dan’s rambles- now half-singing half-mumbling the alphabet, Phil waits for Dan to adjust before he starts to move, peppering more kisses all over Dan’s face. 

-”It should be illegal for you to be this adorable,” Phil mumurs.

-Dan giggles again. “Daddy!”

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Send me your sins

[contraphan]

sorry but why do you think the fiction is tailored to real life?

I literally had to scroll down my dash for 1 min to find these

[unorthodoxsavvy]

Consider: if you don’t like what Molly posts, stop following her? Is that so hard?

[contraphan]

molly's posts are fine, most of the time it's her anons! but generally her blog is really good. also (referring to your other reblog) i did answer your ask, but on private and not publicly. if you didn't get it then tumblr must've fucked up

[contraphan]

in the space of 24 hours you have said my life is sad, called my comments dumb, called me a Grinch, the filth of the fandom, passive aggressively told me I’m stupid and that I take a moral/intellectual highground despite the fact I don’t………. and yet you send me asks telling me to not be mean. please take a look at yourselves

[unorthodoxsavvy]

I really don’t ever remember sending any means asks to you I just politely asked you to reconsider since people are getting their feelings hurt and have come to you and said that but I guess you don’t care.

[contraphan]

i do care! this post wasn't targeted at anyone specific at all, just generally it's been a Poor experience. some asks have been super nice, yours included

[contraphan]

i’m genuinely curious so no hate is meant by this ask: if you hate all the ‘phan’ parts of the phandom then why have you made a blog specifically for that? i see that it’s for criticism but really you’re giving those posts more attention (and hurting the ops), wouldn’t you be better to just ignore it and not waste your time or energy on it?

yeah… (this answer turned out really wordy, sorry) I mean I don’t hate all the “phan” parts at all, just the bits that blatantly disregard what dan and phil have said and make their relationship overly sexual + even go as far as bothering them (like submitting “kiss” as a question during PINOF). also when people state things as if they are obvious facts when they just aren’t. as for ignoring it, you do have a point, but i encounter a lot of things i disagree with on tumblr (some of which are just opinions, but some which i think are gross or, by my moral compass, wrong) so i think it’s fair enough to be able to call people out on those things. I should be able to share my opinions on these topics as well. But one thing I can undoubtedly agree with is that I am wasting time and energy considering old fans will leave and new fans will come, and the cycle will repeat, and ultimately I don’t think people will ever learn… especially since dnp have stopped commenting on the matter so anything anyone can say at this point is only ever speculation. so I will def delete this blog pretty soon, I was interested in what people had to say but most of the time it’s just been passive aggression and name-calling so yeah. there’s a totally honest non-bullshit answer, i just wanted to be able to vent about the shit i thought was wrong/people were deluded about and MAYBE talk about it (like the queerbaiting anon, we had a real nice resolution on that topic). also I’ve said that if someone is hurt/offended to tell me and i’ll apologise, clarify what i meant, and delete the post but still nobody has done that i just get vague “ur mean and people are hurt”. where. who.

[2009dan]

Sorry if I sound rude but why don’t you think they’re a couple?

dan said they aren't 

[contraphan]

@lizzielizzie12 said: When did he said that? :o

i know u didnt ask me but imma answer:

[contraphan]

porn stars are supposed to turn you on just like the characters in the fanfictions are. comparing porn stars to dan and phil directly isn't correct

no… because if it was two random guys it wouldn’t have the same effect. you all like that it’s DAN and PHIL specifically. here’s a little thought experiment: what would a stranger think about watching gay porn? maybe that it’s a lil weird if you’re an underage girl but you know people have their interests. what would they think if you said you WROTE gay porn about two real people who you think are fucking but don’t personally know……? that’s the difference

[spacednp]

Both ways, it doesn’t matter who it is, I’m sure most girls getting off to the fan FICTION don’t even take into account that it’s DAN and PHIL but that it’s two attractive people doing the do, and the fics are so OOC that it’s almost impossible to actually think of them as Dan and Phil

[spacednp]

But hey I have a friend that does exactly what we’re talking about I’ll ask her and post it here

[spacednp]

She’s sleeping this post is canceled

[contraphan]

i’m awake now hi, and no it’s definitely dnp specifically because you literally tailor your “fiction” to traits you think they have in real life

[spacednp]

So? Literally doesn’t make it real, there are posts about the grinch and pennywise fucking that people get off to and they say things like “the grinch’s hot cracking voice” does that mean they’re fetishizing Tom Hanks bc it’s his voice? No

[spacednp]

Fan fiction is something that happens when you’re in the public eye and if it bothered Dit and Pit at all they would of deleted their channels seven years ago but they didn’t so go take a nap and eat a snickers

[contraphan]

PLEASE find me some serious fic about pennywise and the grinch. i’m highly skeptical. if it does exist then yeah i guess that’s fetishisation but they’re not real people. and i’m only making the point that it’s creepy. it sexualises something that isn’t meant to be sexual. hence, fetishising. if you think there isn’t a problem with that then the conversation is over. dan and phil don’t care, no, amongst the millions they make in the process. it doesn’t change anything.

[contraphan]

sorry but why do you think the fiction is tailored to real life?

I literally had to scroll down my dash for 1 min to find these

[contraphan]

porn stars are supposed to turn you on just like the characters in the fanfictions are. comparing porn stars to dan and phil directly isn't correct

no… because if it was two random guys it wouldn’t have the same effect. you all like that it’s DAN and PHIL specifically. here’s a little thought experiment: what would a stranger think about watching gay porn? maybe that it’s a lil weird if you’re an underage girl but you know people have their interests. what would they think if you said you WROTE gay porn about two real people who you think are fucking but don’t personally know……? that’s the difference

[spacednp]

Both ways, it doesn’t matter who it is, I’m sure most girls getting off to the fan FICTION don’t even take into account that it’s DAN and PHIL but that it’s two attractive people doing the do, and the fics are so OOC that it’s almost impossible to actually think of them as Dan and Phil

[spacednp]

But hey I have a friend that does exactly what we’re talking about I’ll ask her and post it here

[spacednp]

She’s sleeping this post is canceled

[contraphan]

i’m awake now hi, and no it’s definitely dnp specifically because you literally tailor your “fiction” to traits you think they have in real life

[contraphan]

honestly I say you turn off anon and see how many asks you get then, people definitely aren’t brave enough to diss you with their own blog showing

you know what? you're right! done!

[2009dan]

Sorry if I sound rude but why don’t you think they’re a couple?

dan said they aren't 

[contraphan]

Well I haven't looked through much of ur blog yet, but seems to me like ur doin the right things here bud. i don't really follow people who post the rly bad stuff but even some of the people I generally like go too far trying to 'prove' it imo. Like I think they are together... there's not really any doubt in my mind lmao. But there's a big part of the phandom that goes too far and u don't deserve shit for pointing that out...

there's literally nothing wrong with thinking they're together but u cant PROVE it ppl need to shut the fuck up about proof and for the love of god stop discussing sex. accept that saying they're together is your imagination