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Molina and Valentín's last moments together.
"When I was with the warden, I got the feeling that he was afraid." "Yeah. Things are moving fast..."
Kiss of the Spider Woman (2025)
Dir. Bill Condon
Diego Luna as Valentín Arregui
Tonatiuh as Luis Molina
Like I truly hate to sound this way and be this bitchy but like I know more than you people about Kiss of the Spider Woman.
The disdain of the source material from the movie and some of the fan reactions alike is just disgusting. Which like if you liked this movie at all you have bad taste in general btw. More importantly:
None of you have any right to insinuate nor claim that the IP (for lack of a better term) is outdated and offensive because it doesn't conform to your modern understanding of gender and sexuality.
Manuel Puig never put any specific labels on his orientation nor gender. The language wasn't there for him. That doesn't make Molina any less trans or gay because the book, original movie, play and musical who Puig was involved in don't explicitly state it. Molina is a foil for him. Use a little bit of critical thinking ffs. Placing it in the 80s instead of the 70s doesn't change that.
The two adaptions of the story since his death the menier chocolate factory play and the 2025 movie place no trust in his source material. They seek to update it for modern audiences and some of you fell for it hook line and sinker. It's insulting because it doesn't and will never need to do that.
and actually- one more gripe that i have with this post.
if you truly hate to sound this way (which judging by the way you word your post you don't because you consistently continue to be elitist and call people who liked the movie out for having 'bad taste' and 'disgusting' and say they have no right as trans people to voice their opinions on the story) then why, pray tell, did you post this in the tag of the 2025 film?
you could have just as easily used the general tag, but you also specifically put the tag of 'kiss of the spider woman 2025'. i am all for voicing your own opinions. it's actually not even your opinion in itself that is rude, because you're entitled to dislike it and not feel that it is a faithful adaptation of the original story, although i disagree to a certain extent.
the problem is that you are actively tagging something and insulting the people within the tag that like it. you are essentially going into the tag and saying "hey! this thing that you guys like? yeah. i fucking hate it and you're a bad person with shit taste for liking it because i say so because i'm speaking on behalf of the author. i am better than you"
also...what an insidious way to word trans people relating to the story in whatever form lol. "you fell for it" god forbid some of us just...like seeing us represented in a way that's respectful regardless! even if the adaptation is a far cry from the original (again, agree to disagree) the fact that you're demonizing people for identifying with any adaptation of it is actually insane to me and that goes beyond the media itself.
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KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN (2025)
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Kiss of the Spider Woman (2025)
Dir. Bill Condon
Diego Luna as Valentín Arregui
Tonatiuh as Luis Molina
anyway kiss of the spider woman is very dear to me in every form (i still need to see the play, i haven't had the pleasure) and as a trans latino i will fight to the end of my days for it i think.
Like I truly hate to sound this way and be this bitchy but like I know more than you people about Kiss of the Spider Woman.
The disdain of the source material from the movie and some of the fan reactions alike is just disgusting. Which like if you liked this movie at all you have bad taste in general btw. More importantly:
None of you have any right to insinuate nor claim that the IP (for lack of a better term) is outdated and offensive because it doesn't conform to your modern understanding of gender and sexuality.
Manuel Puig never put any specific labels on his orientation nor gender. The language wasn't there for him. That doesn't make Molina any less trans or gay because the book, original movie, play and musical who Puig was involved in don't explicitly state it. Molina is a foil for him. Use a little bit of critical thinking ffs. Placing it in the 80s instead of the 70s doesn't change that.
The two adaptions of the story since his death the menier chocolate factory play and the 2025 movie place no trust in his source material. They seek to update it for modern audiences and some of you fell for it hook line and sinker. It's insulting because it doesn't and will never need to do that.
i'm saying this as respectfully as i possibly can as well- people are allowed to like different adaptations of stories. look at things like dracula, which has about a million adaptations and has many that stay close to the source material and some that change little things...and some that change it entirely.
kiss of the spider woman is no different. each of the adaptations is vastly different. the broadway production is different from the 1985 film, both are different from the 2025 film, and all of them are vastly different from even the novel. no adaptation gets it completely correct and all of them change things.
god forbid a trans person (read: me) finds comfort and solace in each adaptation in a different way. the 2025 film does not spit on the work of puig if you view it through the correct lens. in fact, there are multiple moments where the 2025 film follows the novel closer than some of the other adaptations. i have my gripes with it, of course- but nobody is claiming it's the best thing in the world. if they are, perhaps it's through rose colored glasses. but some of the critiques read more as elitism than appreciation.
the one thing i will agree with is that the story is not outdated nor is it offensive. the one thing that i find comforting as someone who's gender identity is ambigous and fluctuating (basically unlabeled despite skewing a certain way, similar to molina) is that molina is never said to be transgender explicitly in the story. mind you, this does not change in the 2025 film either. there is one lyrical change to 'her name was molina' at the end of the film which to me is no different from molina referring to their friends and by extension herself as a bunch of women in the original novel, see below:
am i irritated that a lot of the material from the musical got cut? abso-fucking-lutely. do i think that what we got was also important, as a queer latino? also abso-fucking-lutely. and i'm a huge fan of the film from the 80s, which i initially watched because of raul julia because seeing a queer character played by a puerto rican man was eye-opening to me as a young one myself.
in the same vein i also appreciate that the 2025 film is just as unapologetic. there are many moments where tonatiuh's molina (who fun fact is the only latino who's played the fuckin' latino character in any of these adaptations that have been in the mainstream as far as i know) feels like the closest form to puig's molina that we have gotten. again, not a perfect adaptation and to be frank all adaptations barring the stage musical kind of dumb down the revolutionary aspect of the story, but as a trans person i felt that tonatiuh's molina gave me the same spark that reading the novel gave me in terms of relativity.
is it 'modernizing'? sure. somewhat. i won't even deny that. but demeaning the love and connection that people feel with either adaptation of molina as a character feels very ill-intentioned because at the end of the day there is a reason why people resonate with the character in each and every adaptation. there is a reason why people who have enjoyed the musical or the novel or the 1985 film have differing opinions ranging from negative to positive. the essence of the story is kept the same, and even regardless why are we policing how people (typically trans or gay themselves) feel about a story that they connect with?
also, critique is fine. not liking something is fine. but insinuating that someone has bad taste or something is 'bad' because of personal preference or a sense of elitism (read: 'i know more about this thing than you because i have this opinion on it!') is just a rude and mean-spirited way of thinking especially in regards to how queer people and latinos connect with a media that represents them just because they disagree with you.
@giftober 2025 | Day #9: injured/wounded ↳ KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN (2025)
let's go to the movies .ᐟ an indie portrayal of LUIS MOLINA from KISS OF THE SPIDER WOMAN . takes inspiration from the novel , the 1985 and 2025 films , and the broadway musical . crafted for mvrp , multi-ship and multi-verse ! semi-selective . MDNI .
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kinktober || day 1 || orgasm control - kiss of the spider woman || valentin x molina
incredibly self indulgent fic collection that i'll be working on with the two titular characters from the new film 'kiss of the spider woman', because it's taken over my life. (in fact, i write molina over at @spiderskiss) this takes inspiration primarily from the 2025 film, but i'm familiar with the novel, the og musical as well as the 80s film and take bits and pieces from each of those canons as well.
i'll be attempting to do all 31 days of this (even though i'm already quite behind so it may be belated!) but please, enjoy <3
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