ill fucking do it again

csmeaner again

[csmeanier]

RULES

NO DEATH THREATS

NO SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT PROOF INCLUDES PEDOPHILIA/ZOOPHILIA/RACISM/ABLEISM ETC.

IF IT’S NOT BEING A SALTY CUNT THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE

I WILL ALSO POST DESIGNS I THINK ARE TERRIBLE, LAUGH WITH ME

PUT SPECIES NAME IN PARENTHESIS GODDAMMIT

i.e. (milqilins) something something stupid milk bitches

THE CS STANDS FOR CLOSED SPECIES NOT CHICKEN SMOOTHIE TAKE YOUR BULLSHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE

SHIT WILL BE TAGGED

IF YOU HAVE LEGIT SPENDING PROBLEM OR NEED HELP GETTING OUT OF CS HERE IS A POST TO READ

[ FULL DOCUMENT ON HELPFUL THERAPY SOURCES ]

TAKE SCREENSHOTS AND ARCHIVE CS BULLSHIT TO HELP KEEP CS OWNERS FROM GETTING AWAY WITH THEIR SHIT

closed species and cult similarities

What does FOMO mean?

What does dekudog mean?

What does IP theft mean? A post with helpful art resources/links

Posts that talk about Bias that explains why some shit happens in CS

BLACKMARKET BLOG

SCREENSHOT BLOG

Other Blogs:

https://csvent-2.tumblr.com/ https://csrant.tumblr.com/ https://csventbutsane.tumblr.com/ https://csventquicker.tumblr.com/ https://arpgs-anonymous.tumblr.com/ https://csscreenshots.tumblr.com/ https://toyhouse-dramas.tumblr.com/ https://thdrama2.tumblr.com/ https://csmeany.tumblr.com/ https://species-ratings.tumblr.com/ https://popdesign-vent.tumblr.com/ https://cssaltmines.tumblr.com/

CS-specific blogs https://milqs-r-us.tumblr.com/ https://milqdrama.tumblr.com/ https://freespeechwyngro.tumblr.com/ https://lythbounddrama.tumblr.com/ https://griffiantrash.tumblr.com/ https://freest-speech-whistlercrest.tumblr.com/ https://chowling-drama.tumblr.com/ https://chamcourse.tumblr.com/ https://chowsvent.tumblr.com/ https://milq-milk-lemonade.tumblr.com/ https://daintymayhem.tumblr.com/

Positivity blogs https://positivecs.tumblr.com/ https://cspraise.tumblr.com/ Inactive, for archive purposes https://csmean.tumblr.com/ https://csventbutfaster.tumblr.com/ https://closedspeciesproof.tumblr.com/ https://closedspeciesdrama.tumblr.com/ https://csvent.tumblr.com/ https://freespeechwhistlercrest-rebooted.tumblr.com/ https://freespeech-whistlercrest.tumblr.com/ https://griffonvent.tumblr.com/ https://dramadainties.tumblr.com/

WE’RE HERE TO SHIT NOT TO MOB PEOPLE OK HAVE A GOOD DAY

ASK BOX OPEN

TAKE A COOL SURVEY ON YOUR EXPERIENCE IN SPECES TOO

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couldnt help but laugh seeing no one go for enaristas brick scarfox, even darcis offer of a custom scarfox on top didnt entice people. it was an ugly as fuck design too, and seeing them drop a sob story in the general chat because no one wanted to bid for it felt sweeter. this sounds mean, but enarista comes off as really fucking rude, so seeing them upset doesnt bother me¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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The announcement of the Brick fox being recalled

Ena’s explanation in the scarfox chat

[csvent]

imgur (.) com / a / 3vjVP4o - Not bkdk literally admitting to their OCs being blatant bakudeku rip-offs... For people wanting links to the rip-offs, just dig thru their toyhouse @ bkdk The Dainties, Chimereons, and Active folders have several. The Waterdogs folder has more too, but you will have to be signed in to TH for those to be visible fyi

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[csventbutfaster]

Alright here I come with all the proof I could gather from the Wyngro stuff!

Nestly tax evasion:

https://ibb.co/album/dBY5S4

Some more extras on the DTA judging, mods and money:

https://sta.sh/219dujlohzzk

The original character Nestly stole and made the Pixie specie around of:

https://www.deviantart.com/nightmaw/art/Faeshrooms-are-back-618411880

Here is "Bello" which is how Nestly named the stolen character she made the Pixie Wyngro specie around:

https://www.deviantart.com/nestly/art/My-Pretty-Bello-546689740

Journal by Pannzilla(one of the ex-mods) that I got this all from, it has more in-depth info, seems like the images are either broken or were deleted, not sure. Still linking it too:

https://www.deviantart.com/pannzilla/journal/6776776-725421053

Pann stating that Nestly had no longer permission to use their work and still did:

https://www.deviantart.com/pannzilla/journal/Devious-Journal-Entry-725215986

Link-only video by Pann titled "screenshoots" that shows the messages from the Wyngro STAFF channel from the Discord server:

https://youtu.be/_3mt9fNgAW8

Another link-only video by Pann with more info:

https://youtu.be/ICgOLP6TYGY

I want to add that apparently Pann had another journal up with way more info and evidence on everything but it got taken down due to them recieving 15 taledown notices. This is a thing that tends to happen when you try to expose Nestly.

Nevermind I found an archive of it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180114222339/https://pannzilla.deviantart.com/journal/88888-725610103

Enough is enough statement from one of the former mods:

https://www.deviantart.com/nightwolfdragon/journal/Enough-is-Enough-705548830

Unfortunately this is as much as I can find as the rest of the things have been taken down due to Nestly's habit of covering up the truth.

There used to be a huge journal by merciless-killer on DA but it no longer exists, if anyone knows how to use the web archive for it, here's the link:

https://www.deviantart.com/journal/I-m-officially-leaving-wyngro-720637725

This is a lot thank you anon also I checked the way back machine and no one archived that particular journal so it’s gone I guess

[csmeaner]

(bepotelkh) Here's something fresh for the anon swarm: deviantart (.) com (/) ellusively (/) status-update (/) A-public-statement-about-Herboreal-921763667 ; archived doc: archive (.) ph (/) EUd3H

A Statement Regarding HerborealArt and Bepotelkh

A Statement Regarding HerborealArt and Bepotelkh I’ve been receiving some targeted harassment over the past few months, and I’ve let it go

A Statement Regarding HerborealArt and Bepotelkh - Google Docs

fresh helping of new drama for all you piranhas

[csmeaner]

/689704744394096640/tfw-the-grem-admins-take-a-suggestion-and your screenshots, mod shit (warning: tl;dr) imgurDOTcom/a/t2i7fEN

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imgur.com

Imgur: The magic of the Internet

suggestion post

chat reply

acember coming in with their horseshit

goddammit 10 images again reblogging this

[csmeaner]

one short

[csmeaner]

huh this all reminds me of another time grem staff proceeded to promise transparency and better updates and then never deliver. when was that? oh only 6 months ago

Another Grem talk

[csmeaner]

Man, Just Take Grems Out to the Back 40

tl;dr Up here since it’s long

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Just get out of Grems. The staff doesn’t give a shit about you and don’t even have it in them to pretend to care like most CS staff do. Densy’s so tight-fisted that you’re unlikely to be able to get much out of her ARPG. It’s unlikely she’ll fix the Cypherus problem and I’m 50/50 on if she’ll ever finish that precious “lore”. She’s a nasty customer and I guarantee she’s talking shit about you if you dared to speak up in those screenshots.

Just leave. I promise you that there’s another funky dragon-looking species out there with an owner who will appreciate you and listen to reasonable criticisms.

Grems: Ruining a Good Thing

Densy’s (AKA MrGremble or Densetsugin for anyone searching) 20K hijinks hurt the species. It was the first big blow that would have been recoverable if Densy had been anyone else but herself since Grems were still quite popular at the time. 

I won’t go too deeply into this. Most of us already know the story, and the rest can find it in a bunch of places. Needless to say neither Densy’s nor Caravan’s story feels complete, and Densy’s is especially egregious since she waited for something like a year before coming out with obviously-curated proof against someone who could no longer defend herself.

Again, this is something Densy could have come out of with only a few scratches. She made a series of terrible mistakes, but people love a redemption arc.

Densy paid 0 attention to her community’s concerns. Remember that very polite document outlining what could be improved in Grems? archive.ph/Qk20n

The latest screenshots from the Grem Discord show the staff as thin-skinned, lazy, and disengaged. You walk on eggshells around them. It’s exhausting and downright abusive to make your community do that all the time. I think only Celestial Seas and Chowlings are worse.

Of course, also, Soyu-k/k-es-tressier, Densy’s long-time friend, was outed for having art with non-con, pedophilia, and incest (which they found “hot” as late as 2020/1). Densy removed Soyu-k from a mod position, but Soyu-k is still allowed to participate in the group.

Which brings up some salient questions: you’ll ban just about anyone who crosses you, but you won’t ban someone who left non-con, pedophilia, and incest out for the world to see until they were called out for it? Just because you go way back? Where, exactly, are you located from a moral standpoint?

Silence is consent and approval in matters such as these. Grems are no longer popular enough to tank this one. Anyone who bothers to read the callout (ie: anyone other than Soyu-k’s bootlickers) won’t accept the “but it was 10 years ago!” excuse, as if this shit has an expiry date.

The group no longer has any good designers on staff. The popufurs that propped it up have gone fishing. Nobody on staff keeps track of current trends or even what makes a good design in an enduring, classical sense.

The group is simps and people with Stockholm Syndrome playing Weekend at Bernie’s. It’ll be awhile before they give up, especially if an ARPG swings ‘round and it’s not too disappointing. I’d give it another two years. Maybe three if the ARPG is amazing. We might see a new Densy cash machine in that time.

Densy has been like this for as long as I’ve known her (Densestugin days, around the “Doggers” and Shadow Cats times). She’s always been a selfish, cliquey, stuck-up crybully and she’s stuck in her highschool mean girl days.

Just get out. Densy doesn’t appreciate you and just wants more of your money.

[csmeaner]

link Maws callout on saunt i gotta see this ish

stuff i could find off a quick search

screenshot

and someone pointing out the charity auction was planned before the callout

[csmeaner]

On mobile so sorry for any errors.

/post/690133362896257024/shitpost-theory-the-grems-staff-dont-want-to

You mention here that coders can be unreliable and while that CAN be true, from my time floating around CS offering coding services, the reasoning usually comes down to one or more of the following:

1. The pay is shit. Artists don’t want to work for peanuts and coders definitely don’t. If it’s a popular species and we happen to be in CS, a MYO or custom might sub for part of the pay, but code is fucking pain in the ass. Expect to pay just as you would expect to pay an artist for a comm. Finding a simp to work for just site currency, customs, etc is gold and you should treat them nicely because they can fuck you over in five seconds by simply leaving you creds for the server and then vanishing.

2. The owner is batshit insane. Some people really do think that code is pressing some magic buttons and poof. Website with ML, quests, inventory, etc. Or they think they own you because they paid 300 bucks…

3. Owners contract out to India or eastern Europe. There are a lot of excellent coders in these countries, but they’re unlikely to work for peanuts and don’t want your MYOs or whatever. Sometimes they take your money and run. If the deal seems too good to be true…

4. The owner is completely short-sighted about ongoing server costs and overall site maintenance. This leads to the site degrading, slow or no updates, etc. Ongoing maintenance costs more money…we might contract out a couple months for “free” but then, to quote a famous video, “fuck you, pay me”.

I’ve never coded for Grems (never would bc Gremble was a bitch to me in the past) but they seem like the kind to check off the entire list, lmao.

[csmeaner]

(chowlings) Dude have you seen the teeth chowling and the heart chowling, they're so fucking disgusting and can trigger someone

A fantasy webgame

tw dentistry imagery teeth body horror

no surprise it's one by sirfluffbutts. for a lackluster cute furry species mostly built on eastern asian aesthetics it has a bunch of them just based on body parts

A fantasy webgame

tw body horror it's a heart on a dog's ass

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laneycore scarfox vent/semi-callout

July 30th toyhouse user Laneycore discusses their experiences with the Scarfox species, specifically with a design that looks very similar to theirs and then the unprofessional response from the Scarfox staff. As a result they are leaving the species and keeping their current scarfox as one-offs.

A community for collaborative character creation and trading, worldbuilding and roleplay.

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Further opinions and commentary from both sides have been made. The laneycore bulletin has received 41 comments since it's creation, with Dragon-Eternal themselves writing up a response in turn. Both will be overseen and documented via imgur galleries. In the Scarfox discord there has been no mentions of this transpiring as of yet either.

laneycore's vent/semi-callout bulletin + comments (https://archive.ph/nkfaa)

Dragon-Eternal's response (https://archive.ph/nVHiS/https://archive.ph/yE2ua)

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Laney has updated the bulletin and up to 63 comments have been made in response to the bulletin. Dragon-Eternal has also added to their own journal and added another status update. All updates are made in their respective imgur galleries.

laneycore's vent/semi-callout bulletin + comments Updated Aug 1st (https://archive.ph/nkfaa)

Dragon-Eternal's response Updated Aug 1st (https://archive.ph/nVHiS/https://archive.ph/yE2ua)

Screenshots from above

Screenshots from above

In turn on July 31st Darci has announced an official hiatus of the Scarfox community effective August 1st to October 1st. This is no doubt in direct response to the above drama though exact reasons why are not mentioned in the announcement.

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As of August 3rd dragon-eternal has added laneycore, bitchwold, and chuchy07 to their blacklist, likely citing their participation in the laneycore's bulletin above. As well user laneycore has been banned from the scarfox site and their foxes have been voided.

[csmeaner]

It’s honestly enraging to see actual concept artists get so little attention compared to…whatever THESE are.

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[csmeaner]

There have been a very first "" coincidence "" where Saunt has taken an idea, it's a very meh copy since the characters where completely different. I believe this was more of a coincidence than not but I felt like sharing anyway.

But there was a MYO contest around a year ago and someone had the theme of Cat latte. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770957426039586821/803739184094380032/image0.jpg and I do not remember how long, but I know it was WHILE the myo contest was still going on. Saunt had created Cat coco[Now Cat kibble] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770957426039586821/803739339418370118/image0.png

it's not a 1:1 plagiarism but saunt's definitely proven they'll piggyback off someone else's general theme for their own without even asking. it's not 'illegal' but it's definitely pretty fucking rude and feels like saunt just yoinks ideas from other people without consideration. just like the milk cow and both recent chowling designs having some specific design that another user did before. first one's from the link of same dog hat and the other resembling a latte with white/light brown/navy blue palette but the milk one's definitely the most egregious. glad to know it's a reoccurring issue and saunt can't even come up with their own fucking ideas or even wait a goddamn bit before yoinking from someone else

[csmeaner]

the grem blacklist archive isnt srolling wtf noooo

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oops here's screenshots then

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The initial announcement made by Darci, two days before the species was supposed to return from hiatus due to an earlier incident. All information for that event can be found here: https://csscreenshots.tumblr.com/post/691954848121454592/third-update-of-laneycore-finding-darcis-sale

Darci writes several announcements (https://csscreenshots.tumblr.com/post/696814544924901376/scarfox-announcement-september-27th-and-september) , the current one involving the introduction of an item called a Void Ticket priced at 70usd. This item will allow users to officially void or reintroduce their Scarfox to the official Scarfox masterlist.

Users were quick to point out that the price is steep considering voiding is often free in the majority of species, and that the Scarfox staff, but most especially Darci, have been poor with managing community expectations and maintaining transparency. It is revealed through Dragon-Eternal that the Scarfox staff is severely understaffed despite taking on more staff, and through EnaristaGoddess that Darci seems to have misconstrued information that the other mods voted on the price of the Void Ticket.

Scarfox staff's trust with its userbase is at a very all-time low, with Darci resorting to enabling slowmode on the chat in order to cease the discussion. Most of the users in turn called Darci a coward and demanded to be banned, as being banned would be the only other legitimate form of having your Scarfoxes officially voided. The users moved to a second channel that also had to have slowmode enabled on it before the remainder of the discussion quieted down. Throughout it an anonymous benefactor has been taking screenshots and compiled three different versions: the unedited ones they took as the discussion was happening in real time, the edited version several hours afterwards, and a comparison between the two that show the Scarfox staff has taken to deleting several of the users' comments.

Screenshots below are rough with a few minor sentences missing but show the entirety of the conversation between Scarfox staff and the Scarfox community members.

For full unedited screenshots of the discussion: https://imgur.com/a/Fgmw77H

For full edited screenshots of the discussion: https://imgur.com/a/IQHTUIz

For a comparison between the unedited and edited screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/AAQHze

Scarfox staff enables slowmode (one post every 6 hours) so users move from scarfox-chat to general-chat, with a few having edited their posts to bypass the slowmode.

Slowmode is enabled in the general-chat, once again one message every 6 hours.

This message was immediately deleted, most likely because it @ Darci directly, but was thankfully screenshot before so.

Scarfox users move to other-cs-chat and decide to no longer continue the conversation. Only a few bits still pertaining to the discussion were screenshotted but for the most part things have moved on. Below are the reactions from a few users that came in later and were not aware of what transpired:

[csmeaner]

EYYO DARCI WHAT THE FUCK

NEW FOX? https://toyhou.se/18193138.-scarfox-mashi NOT IN YOUR OWNED FOXES?

NOT ON THE MASTERLIST?

MASTERLIST LAST UPDATED SEPTEMBER 9TH

HEYO WHAT'S SOMETHING YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN ANAL ABOUT?

WHUMP THERE IT IS.

[csmeaner]

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https://toyhou.se/16176766.trait-sheet / https://archive.ph/7led9