Disney Villains For Justice

So this used to be a hardcore ASJW kinda blog, but fuck alla that. Social issues important to the mods are discussed here. Not really in the mood for mods anymore. But it's open for discussion. Keeping the name though cause fuck you, we were like the second or third blog to have the "for-justice" label.

[disneyvillainsforjustice]

oh my god is anyone still logged into this. what a throwback and a cringe I can't remember my mindset when I created this blog, RIP.

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO

No not really and I completely restructured the blog  :)

[disneyvillainsforjustice]

anyone here do art requests?

At request in what way? 

[jjsupremacy-deactivated20230913]

I SURVIVED 2016

Discover I Survived 2016 T-Shirt only on Teespring - Free Returns and 100% Guarantee - 2016 was a crazy year I don't think any of us...

2016 was a crazy year I don’t think any of us will forget anytime soon. While this is a silly idea to poke fun at all the craziness, it also has a serious meaning to me and a lot of others who struggle with mental illness. There were times when I wasn’t sure I’d see 2017 and this shirt is to celebrate those who’re still here. So whether you’re happy the 2016 curse is over or you’re surprised you came through it all like me, this shirt is to remember that fight! You’re still here. And to me that’s something worth celebrating. 50% of the profits will go to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.

I also tried to keep the prices low, but there was a minimum :/ 

please boost.

[winosaur]

https://www.gofundme.com/cary-st-cafe-homeless-run

How about this? Can we spread this around and help raise the last $5k of this campaign?

[anonymous-love-mail]

Even if you can’t donate, share this so others can! I wanted to try and do something special for christmas, and I think helping to complete this campaign is perfect!

-Kat

[winosaur]

Christmas is tomorrow and I think if we signal boost this, we could get a lot more raised by then

[wonderfulworldofmichaelford]

So apparently the OP has me blocked (I’ve never even heard of them) but a bunch of people in the reblogs are saying to boy cot the network. 

Problem is… well here’s the plot summary for the show:

“Cameras follow four prominent Klan families who each have a family member trying to escape the Ku Klux Klan. This series pulls back the curtain on the organization that the Anti-Defamation League calls “a racist, anti-Semitic movement with a commitment to extreme violence to achieve its goals of racial segregation and white supremacy,” to show its effects on American families as member’s grapple with the consequences of leaving. The series follows four families: an “Imperial Wizard” who hopes to groom his teenage daughter to take his place; an Iraq war veteran and proud member of the KKK determined to raise his four-year-old son to embrace his views; a young man who sees his close friend and Klan leader as the father he never had, asked to pledge his loyalty to the KKK; and a fifth-generation Klan family struggling to keep up the legacy. The series will also follow a network of anti-hate and peace activists working to break the cycle by helping to convince members to leave the hate group. The team consists of Daryle Lamont Jenkins, the co-founder of One People’s Project, an organization that monitors and investigates hate groups; speaker, author and peace educator Arno Michaelis, a former skinhead who joined the white power movement at the age of 16; and Bryon Widner, a reformed Neo-Nazi and subject of the documentary Erasing Hate, who spent sixteen years as a skinhead until he realized the environment wasn’t best for his son. These activists develop deep relationships with Klan families attempting to convince them to hang up their robes and finally leave the group for good.”

So yeah, this show isn’t glorifying them or ‘giving them a platform,’ this show is literally about trying to get them to change and become better people. Don’t boycott A&E, they’re trying to actually help these people change for the better and not be racists.  

[howprolifeofyou]

Women Have Options is Ohio based nonprofit that helps people fund their abortions. I think it would be incredibly helpful to get the word out in wake of the 20 week abortion ban.

what a great resource, thank you! here’s the link for anyone interested.

[officialclinicescort]

Sweet.

[big-gadje-world-blog]

That suitcase story really bugs me. Aside from the fact that Girljanitor is likely not even the least bit Romani, the whole claim just stinks of racist undertones.  As I mentioned before, it would have been very difficult for Jewish & Romani persons to escape from Poland via Germany. And, I don’t just mean it would have been “hard”, I mean that it would have been a death sentence to travel from occupied Poland and through Nazi Germany as a whole Jewish family with a Romani stow-away. Many Jews escaped via boats to countries like Denmark or Sweden, but even that was very risky.  Also, the Nazis severely restricted Jewish emigration after 1941. They invaded Poland in 1939 & set up ghettos within Poland in the same year. The Polish ghettos housed both Roma & Jews, and these were those families and individuals who had not been shot or killed by the einsatzgruppen. Hundreds of Jews & Roma, if not thousands, died from mass killings shortly after the Nazi Germany had invaded.  What irks me is what would a Jewish family be doing with a single Romani woman? Why would that assertion be made? The only probability is that this woman/girl was maybe a housekeeper or nanny for a Jewish family, which were jobs that would have been more typical to White gentile population at the time than to a Romani woman or girl. Was the suggestion somehow intended to have Antisemitic undertones: “oh, those privileged Jews smuggling out the poor Gypsy woman”.  Also, it would not at all have been common for a young Romani woman or a Romani girl to be by herself. And, this is why many stories of some lone-wolf Romani ancestor coming to America immediately draws skepticism, especially if that ancestor was a woman.  Romani women have a very difficult time traveling by themselves today, so imagine how unlikely that scenario would have been in the 1930s, 40s, or 50s.  And, let’s not forget that Girljanitor said this: “I’m just like, okayy, if she could have passed for white, why the fuck did she have to hide???” Let’s get one thing straight., most Roma do not pass as White. Many Polska Roma do not pass as White. My own mother is Polska/Lithuanian Roma. My maternal grandmother was very light because she was half Lithuanian. My maternal grandfather was light skinned, but his parents were not. They had darker hair and more “ethnic” features & were quite obviously Roma.  I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she was talking about being White passing in America because even light-skinned, blonde Roma in Europe are not White passing.  Why was she so adamant about pushing this idea that American Roma are White passing? Hey, let’s even look at the actual Romanichal who have appeared on shows like “My Big Fat American Gypsy Wedding”. And, this is a group of Romani who are generally considered to be more “mixed” and to have more White admixture. Albeit, there is a historical context for this & it by no means makes them “less” Romani.  These are as American as American Roma get. They were among the first Romani to set foot on American soil, many as slaves and indentured servants. While there are light skinned Romanichal, there are many more who look pretty ethnically ambiguous.  So, what about these super “White” American Roma from Eastern & Central Europe? Gosh, I mean, someone really ought to inform them about their White passing privileges, right? “It can be difficult because many Romani people from bygone eras don’t meet the set of “racialized POC features” criteria in the U.S. By which I mean, most Romani and Roma people who came to the United States immediately began passing for being passed as white.“ "immediately began passing” “immediately began passing” “immediately began passing” I guess if you can call being brought over here as slaves, not being allowed in the country, being “regulated” like livestock, being banned from owning property, and being forced to live in shanty-towns outside of large cities “immediately passing”, sure, we can go with that.  The reality is that most American Romani “hide” their ethnicity because we don’t pass as White. In fact, it is much easier to say we’re Jewish, Turkish, Middle Eastern or even Indian than it is to say we’re “Gypsy”. This is also not the same as situations where ancestry was either deliberately or accidentally hidden from children or grandchildren. American Roma knowthey are Roma, but rather than face the stigma of outwardly presenting ourselves as “Gypsies”, we chose to not openly disclose our ethnicity.  That is the exact reason why “passing” for American Roma is not some clear-cut, all-or-nothing thing. It is highly conditional. We don’t have any luxuries of passing among European immigrants, so it is absolutely absurd that anyone would claim that Roma coming to this country during massive waves of European immigration would somehow “immediately begin passing”. Europeans didn’t suddenly forget we existed after coming to America. Anti-Romani sentiment is still quite strong among strong European ethnic communities, whether it is the Pennsylvania Dutch, Chicago Polish or Italian Philadelphians.  Girljanitor’s insistence that American Roma are somehow living in this bastion of freedom where we can run free and paint “Gypsy” on our foreheads without so much as a care about racism, the KKK, White supremacy, anti-Romani laws, or neo-Nazis.. is just ridiculous.  This story doesn’t bother me because the plot is just so outrageous. This story bothers me because it erases my identity and the identity of the more than one million other Romani living in the United States. This story bothers me because it trivializes the very real discrimination American Romani have faced and continue to face. This story bothers me because a White passing [and likely actually White] woman is telling usthat we should somehow be “grateful” that we don’t live in Europe. In layman’s terms, she is telling us to “shut up and quit complaining”, yet she does not care to consider what it might be like to walk in our shoes.  This story bothers me because it is a symbolic narrative of how Antisemitism and anti-Romani racism are routinely swept under the rug: "shut up and quit complaining because I don’t think your struggles are important”.

[omgstopbeingashittyperson]

Thoughts of FW calling out Medieval PoC?

The post anonymous is referring to. I’m going to get a bunch of angry reblogs and asks. My thoughts? First thing is first, I’m confused on why people are suddenly realizing that GirlJanitor created and is the owner MedievalPoC. Moving on, this is going to be a long post anonymous, grab some popcorn and a drink. 

I’m beginning to take that crew’s claims of being certain race/ethnicities with a gain of salt. First you have Riley/Nikkia claiming to be Egyptian, West Indian Native, Native American, Indian and they pretend to be Japanese on their side blog. I’ve seen comments on sf-drama that Riley/Nikkia went through a phase where they were obsessed with Indian culture and claimed to be Indian and then turned around and began obsessing over Japanese people and their culture. 

Then we have certain people in the crew, like Genderbitch/HexGoddess who become an honorary person of color or in some cases an honorary Black person in arguments. 

I honestly would not be surprised if GirlJanitor turned out to be a white person pretending to be Native American, Polska Roma, and Mexican. An Rromani blogger came to me and they spoke about how they felt that GirlJanitor is a fake. They gave me a few posts, as evidence of GirlJanitor’s ancestry stories did not add up. One of these posts was about GirlJanitor telling everyone their “Blue Spot” myth story. 

They wrote a post about having a “blue spot” and I quote

“The only time I ever met me father was an hour after I was born. He took one look at me and said, “this is my child.” When my mother and her family wondered how he was so certain, he showed them my Blue Spot. All of his family had been born with Blue spots: some of my mother’s family knew of them because of Roma heritage, but I only child in at least a generation who’d been born with one.“

Now I can post the screenshot in case anyone thinks I’m lying. If you are not aware of what a Blue Spot is, it’s actually called a Mongolian Spot or Mongolian Blue Spot or “congenital dermal melanocytosis”. It’s a birthmark. They can be found anywhere on the body but are commonly found on the lower back or butt. They are common amongst Native Americans, Africans (including people of African descent), Asians and Latinos. Whites can get them but they are not as common. It’s not surprising for a Native American to have one, or Rromani to have them since they are of Indian origin. 

When I first wrote this section, I had assumed they (GirlJanitor) were saying that there’s Roma heritage on both sides of their family, their mother and father’s. But I was wrong and it’s easy to assume this since they did not actually state that their father was Native American in the beginning. It was not until I was writing the paragraphs below did I catch my mistake. I had to check the tags on the original post and saw that they had tagged it “Native American” and “NDN” as well as “Blue Spot, Mongolian Spot, Mongolian mole, birthmarks, heritage, truth, medical abuse, dermatology”. I think because of this that people were confused and thought that their father was Rromani. 

To continue, they state this about their Roma heritage

"some of my mother’s family knew of them because of Roma heritage, but I only child in at least a generation who’d been born with one." 

GirlJanitor continues on and explains that they went to a white dermatologist and he “completely flipped out over my spot” and was “convinced it was some kind of skin cancer”. Bullshit. Unless they had the dumbest dermatologist in the world, there is no way a licensed dermatologist would mistake a Mongolian Blue Spot for a type of skin cancer. Mongolian Blue Spots have actually been mistaken for bruises, but not skin cancer!

I also love how they are specific when it came to the ethnicities of their previous dermatologist, Chinese and Indian. Coincidence? I personally do not think so. 

"It is a reminder to me that white people will always try to steal my heritage and who I am.”

Really? If this story is true, it seems more like a dumb dermatologist who thought a Mongolian Blue Spot was skin cancer and should be out of a job. I’m sure there’s more to Lakota people than a Mongolian Spot. 

This entire story feels made up to me. I have a screenshot of someone responding to their post and saying that it’s not an uncommon condition in regards to having a Mongolian Spot. GirlJanitor responds 

“So much :3 for my people with Blue Spots!

My mom’s paternal family is Polska Roma via Germany, so they knew about blue spots but none of my mom’s generation had one.”

Paternal family means on one’s father’s side. Their mother’s father (GirlJanitor’s grandfather)’s side of the family is Polska Roma. The Rromani blogger I talked to said that GirlJanitor switched from paternal to maternal. But in these posts it says paternal. Maybe the blogger I was spoke to had it mixed up or GirlJanitor switched back. 

In a post entitled “[tw: racism, genocide] Apparently it IS fucking genocide celebration day], they write:

"Like seriously. Okay. I get it. I’m 40% Native American, 25% Polska Roma, I’m AFAB and I have a cognitive disability. A lot of people have had a pretty big interest in wiping me off the face of the earth. I’m triply, quadruply "undesirable”

I’m not sure how it’s possible for someone to be 40% Native American. 

“My gramma B. came over to America during WW2 hidden in a suitcase barried by a white Jewish family. My family now tries to deny she as Roma, and honestly think that started well before the current generation, and shit like this is why. I’m just like, okayy, if she could have passed for white, why the fuck did she have to hide??? Every other part of the story changes with the teller except the hiding in the suitcase part, but fuck that shit because I remember my grammar B and I remember how the story went when SHE told it.

If I was her I would have done my best to pass the second I got here, too. My two uncles barely passed, unlike my mom who’s really light-skinned.”

If their grandmother was so obviously Polska Roma and “their uncles and grandfather used to say they were “Sicilian”“. Why would their family deny it? Especially when they clearly seemed to be doing otherwise in the Mongolian Blue Spot post. And if you’re family is constantly denying that they’re Polska Roma then shouldn’t you listen to them? If they keep denying it, it’s probably because they’re not. They also claimed to be Mexican (mestiz@) ancestry they claim. Not sure what the percent is or where it comes from. 

When it comes to their Lakota heritage, they’re not even connected.

Honestly, it’s this kind of reaction to Black Natives and Freedmen that makes me extremely disinterested in connecting with my tribe in any kind of official capacity.

I’m assuming I’m one of those that the OP was directed at-an NDN who’s not enrolled or connected to my tribe because of several of the reasons listed…and since I’m not Black, my heritage isn’t officially denied because I’m mixed.

Of course there are reasons for this as the OP mentioned. The problem is, GirlJanitor is disconnected from their Native American and Rromani heritage but somehow they manage to speak over all of the people who are connected, where raised in their culture(s), etc. Why is this? They know absolutely nothing about any of the groups they try to lay claim to but they are still a giant voice. The Native American community on tumblr recently had a giant blow up where a few tumblr users were named to be fake NDNs or at least disingenuous. I follow a lot of Native American bloggers and I know how serious situations like this are even if I’m not apart of that community. Many Rromani people have also voiced concern over people pretending to be apart of their community.

Why hasn’t GirlJanitor been called out? If they have, why is their voice still raised up high over other people? This probably would not be a problem if GirlJanitor actually listened when people pointed out their mistakes and learned from people, who are more knowledgeable, in the communities they try to claim. And it wouldn’t be a problem if they did not go around posting inaccurate information on their personal blog and on MedievalPoC, which ironically spreads historical inaccuracies while trying to fight them and is simply a terrible blog. 

They have said some inaccurate things about American Rromani

"It can be difficult because many Romani people from bygone eras don’t meet the set of "racialized POC features” criteria in the U.S. By which I mean, most Romani and Roma people who came to the United States immediately began passing for being passed as white. 

Many people have pointed that out to be untrue, and in fact GirlJanitor called one person a “swarmy cunt”. Passing as white years ago was not as easy people on tumblr liked to think, and even in present day, Rromani people still lay low.

There are more inaccurate things but this post is already too long, and people have explained in detail the issues with MedievalPoC and I will reblog/queue those posts after I finish this ask. But in short, I do not like GirlJanitor because they cannot take an ounce of criticism, the blog they run is terrible and spreads inaccurate information, and they run with a group of people who are incredibly abusive. If GirlJanitor’s family stories do turn out to be true, then they need to do more learning than speaking over people. They allegedly have also told people to kill themselves.

If they are lying, and they really are only German American then they need to stop.

When it comes to the other things spoken about in the post, I have my fair share of problems with it. I do not know anything about NLD but I’m not sure how you can say someone is not based off handwriting. PoC (People of Color) is not a racist term; it’s a term that has been misused amongst Tumblr SJ. There are some non-white people who do not want to label themselves as that and that’s perfectly fine. The photo FactualWiley posted of GirlJanitor, the one at the end that looks like someone made a Hitler mustache on them. Because in the original photo it wasn’t there, and I know it was done on purpose and to be malicious and I find it disgusting. Just because they’re German or has German ancestry doesn’t mean they’re a Nazi. 

For right now these are all my thoughts. As I said before I will be reblogging, posting, and queuing some receipts on the GirlJanitor situation. If any questions, send me a message.

[doyouevenhistory]

Beethoven, Goethe, Martin Luther (not King) were likely poc because their features were not nordic enough. AKA no blonde hair and blue eyes

It may surprise medievalpoc to know that some White people have darker features than others. Some even have brown hair and/or brown eyes. I know it’s very shocking, I don’t think she’ll be able to handle it. 

 I mean, yeah, people who live in a region will likely share certain attributes, but that doesn’t mean you can come along and create some definitive guide to what all Germans (or any other race/ethnic group for that matter) must look like and then say that certain people lacked those characteristics based on a limited number of paintings. Bonus points when you are not even in tune with those cultures or visited said places where they live. We can assume Girljanitor has never even set foot in Europe.

Isn’t trying to define someone else’s race for a group of people who probably know better about themselves. and their background than what you’ve read from half-assed revisionist sources and your personal fee fees insulting as hell?  This also goes to the whites, roma, jews, etc she has been offending to hell and back with her rambles.

Also her “legit source” for her claims is afrocentrist J.A Rogers, progenitor of the infamous ”Kenneth III of Scotland was black!” “Cleopatra/Hannibal were black!”, “Did you know that John Hanson/Abraham Lincoln and 3 other American Presidents were black?”, ”Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz was black!” and ”Arabs, and other Middle Eastern peoples, are mullatoes”. 

I really don’t understand why she and tumblr are so obsessed with saying that all European figures were actually African? There are so many achievements of African/Middle Eastern civilizations that are just complete ignored by this group.

Also, thereWAS an African descended European composer of a similar time to Beethoven. And was even called “Le Mozart Noir”

But why focus on the achievements of actual African-descended Europeans when it’s just sexier to take some secondhand account of Beethoven after he died that mentioned “swarthy” and run with it? Sigh .

EDIT:

I was thinking of Chevalier de Saint-Georges, son of a French plantation owner and an African slave woman. 

Became a renowned duelist and composer in France.

I will admit that mpoc has an entry on him but it’s only one that was submitted by a follower. In general mpoc seems completely disinterested in him compared to the “Beethoven” issue.

http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/post/52639984902/chevalier-de-saint-george-1745-1799

[witchy-moomin-blog]

a few notes on why I dislike girljanitor/medievalpoc: Jewish edition

So I do have screencaps that I can add in case girljanitor/medievalpoc removes any of the existing links here.

Claims Jewishness is just religion; not Jewish, has done no research

Do I even need to say how messed up it is that GJ/Mpoc thinks it’s okay for them to make grossly oversimplified statements about complex Jewish identities (both historical and modern)? They are not Jewish, they do not deal with the complexities of Jewish identity or racialization or othering; they simply decided that they get to call Jews white.

Also, this quote:

Um, no. There are white Jewish people. and there are Jewish people of color. Race does not equal religion. People of color were not marginalized during the European Middle Ages, but Jewish people definitely were.

shows that GJ/Mpoc thinks that Jewishness=Judaism=religion.

This quote:

In contrast, people of color are marginalized in the realm of representation in Art History now, including depictions of Jewish people of color, where white Jewish people are not.

shows that GJ/Mpoc does not actually know that Jews’ supposed whiteness has pretty much no practical application in European art, because Jews are still not seen as white in Europe. This is a fact and you can hear it from many bloggers in Europe; they are simply not treated on strict lines of colorism (of course, in America while much of Jewish whiteness operates on lines of colorism, it also operates on lines of how willing Jews are to align themselves with white supremacy and other such complex things as that). Making this distinction is absolutely useless.

Read the rest of the post if you want. It’s all pretty superficial. 

White Jews

My Grandmother B. was a Holocaust survivor, and Polska Roma. She fled the war, coming to America concealed in a large suitcase carried by a white Jewish family. Today, our family still talks about the debt we owe that family, which perhaps cannot ever be repaid.

Let’s get this straight. GJ/Mpoc has set the stage here for us, so I’ll just sum it up:

Their grandmother is a “Holocaust survivor,” so we can assume that this happened during or after 1933 in Nazi Germany. (In another post they say “WW2,” which means that we are setting it at 1939 in Nazi Germany.)

Grandmother B is Rroma and not white-passing in Nazi Germany. Believable.

The family that carries Grandmother B is Jewish and not just white-passing, but actually white, in Nazi Germany. Bullshit.

Continue on down for a rather short explanation of why this is bullshit.

Rroma don’t pass for white in Nazi Germany, Jews do!

Say whatever you want, but you don’t flee WW2 Germany hidden in a fucking suitcase carried by a Jewish family because you had a little ideological spat with Hitler. You come to this country hidden in a fucking suitcase because you don’t pass for white. And maybe you son does sometimes, and your grandsons tell people they’re “Sicilian” but that doesn’t erase you, Gramma Blake.

Okay, so another quick summary.

GJ/Mpoc’s Rroma grandmother (or great-grandmother, they cannot seem to decide) did not pass for white; because she did not pass as white, she was hidden in a suitcase, carried out of Nazi Germany, and brought to the United States.

A Jewish family apparently did pass for white; because this Jewish family in Nazi Germany somehow passed for white, they were able to carry a large suitcase that was never checked at ANY point, and left Nazi Germany for America with no problems.

Aside from the fact that this story is almost definitely fabricated, the details of it as well as how GJ/Mpoc talks about it makes it clear that they do not care about perpetrating harmful shit about Jews.

What they say here is basically that in Nazi Germany, Jews could pass as white. (Made more evident in the earlier quote, when GJ/Mpoc says “white Jewish family”!)

Even though at this point in time was when the Nazi party was attempting to return Jews to their original state as (officially) racially persecuted instead of just religiously persecuted, meaning that conversion didn’t make them exempt from persecution—that is, Jews were attacked as a race, not a religion. It doesn’t matter how much GJ/Mpoc wants to pretend that Jews can be white because it’s “just a religion,” NAZI GERMANY IMPLEMENTED LAWS THAT MADE JEWS TO BE CONSIDERED A RACE. AND THEN LAWS THAT OPPRESSED THEM BECAUSE OF THIS.

Jews were not considered white when there were arguments about what made someone count as racially Jewish—namely how many Jewish grandparents were needed to be counted as of the Jewish race. Whiteness was simply not a privilege extended to Jews in Nazi Germany, and it’s fucking ludicrous to think that anyone would ever think that it was. Yet here we have GJ/Mpoc, the person you’ve all entrusted to bring you accurate European history (and accurate representations of race in Europe!), claiming that Jews in Nazi Germany were actually white.

Also, just as an extra note? How does GJ/Mpoc know that the family that carried their grandmother was “white Jewish?” If their Rroma ancestry is supposedly so shut up, how do they know the skin color of their grandmother’s rescuers? (Who probably didn’t exist or were warped for the story.)

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That’s all I have right now for call-outs. I might find out more later that they’ve said about Jewishness. They’ve obviously done more messed up things, but this is specifically the Jewish-related things.

[jemmly]

Its pretty sad that someone who studies ancient mediterranean appreciates medievalpoc. That shitty blog simply erases euromediterranean peoples claiming that any not blonde-blue eyed person in european art is a person of color. I mean it really gets ridicolous, Its like if they dont recognize greeks or southern italians exist. Their americanocentric white people vs poc mindset should be loathed, not appreciated.

ahaaaa dude do you not think that there are enough places in the world for you to find artistic representation of white people??

you may have noticed that medievalpoc is a blog on the internet whilst the Renaissance was a massive artistic movement drawing heavily from the Classical Greek and Roman periods and glorifying dark haired white people (i.e. the very demographic of ‘euromediterranean peoples’ you are bringing up) even when the subjects they are portraying were never intended to be white*

and wait!!! there are many more western art movements with images of white people for you to peruse!!!! why don’t you start by looking in literally any major art gallery!!!!!!!!!!!

It is not sad that a student of ancient history and art appreciates a resource for greater diversity in her research. tbh it’s not even very noteworthy.

*Aeneas is persian and Dido is north african gOOD GRIEF THESE PICTURES KILL ME EVERY TIME

[medievalpoc]

This anon ask is kind of….fascinating, like a really gross looking insect.

I’m also really sorry that these kind of asks are making their way into the inboxes of my followers…now that’s just rude.

I’m baffled by accusation that I “erase” Mediterranean people…this Anon seems to be very upset that I would group brown-skinned Europeans with Europeans of African descent (as if these groups are necessarily separate?) under the umbrella term “People of Color”.

I mean, I’m pretty sure anyone who’s paying attention has noticed that I am quite aware Southern Italians exist; I recently did an entire series on Southern Italian artist and fabulous eccentric Il Sodoma:

Anon up there seems to have a big, juicy problem with me claiming this artist as a person of color.

But maybe what Anon does not understand is that their fatuous opinion changes absolutely nothing about the lack of inclusion of brown-skinned artists and art subjects in Eurocentric American Art History Education.

My followers today are the Educators of tomorrow. The newest generation of Americans are going to irrevocable change American demographics, and I will not stand by and witness them being indoctrinated with a white supremacist education.

White supremacy in education is a form of social violence. You only have to look through the many, many messages I’ve received from students who were outright told by their teachers and professors that they have no history, they have no place in art, that they could only be slaves, oppressed people, victims of genocide and defined in relation to European Colonialism. How many textbooks begin with “First Contact”? How many textbooks try to put a “positive spin” on chattel slavery??? How many colleges are preemptively banning “Ethnic Studies” Departments?

How is divorcing a people from their history not violence?

The bottom line is, there are many people in power in the United States doing their utmost to make sure these students never see a face that looks like theirs in the past, in power, in context, or at all. Because they know the psychological effects this has on youth and their sense of self-esteem and empowerment.

My “shitty blog” is doing its best to mitigate or do some damage control on the perpetuation of these crimes done in the name of Education.

[irefiordiligi]

ok first of all Il Sodoma was not a southern italian, he was born and raised in Vercelli (fun fact:sodoma is actually a idiom in piemontese dialect so’doma=wake up) that is a city up in the north, he studied in Milan, that is a city in the north and lived and worked in both Siena and Rome, cities in the centre of Italy, just saying.

Second, no i’m sorry but this is wrong, if you think that southern italians are not white just because their skin is darker than idk a norwegian i’m gonna laugh, why the fuck you americans think you have the right to judge the race of an entire popolation? You are basically saying to people that have considered themselves white for centuries that they are not because of your fucking americacentric view, seriously? i didn’t know that i wasn’t white untill i read it on tumblr, can you imagine it??lol 

i usually read here on tumblr that southitalians are not white because of the arabs occupation, i just can’t, so what? south italy was occupied by the normanns too, there are actually many blondes with blue eyes in south italy, are they white?do all of us have to look like fucking nazis to be considered pure white people to you???

I also find extremely funny (not related directly to you) how we changed from being poc to being white when you need it, let’s make an exemple, let’s take the spanish people, they are south europeans therefore pocs to your fuckedup logic but fuck if tumblr hate the white supremacist imperialist spanish empire, so now tell me when was the exact moment the spanish stopped being white and started being pocs? when did it happened to us italians?i’m really curious about it.

I like your blog, i really do, but i think that at least you should care for what WE have to say on the matter of what OUR race is, and you have to understand that having an olive skin color doesn’t make us poc.

[medievalpoc]

one more time?

But maybe what Anon irefiordiligi  does not understand is that their fatuous opinion European racial categories change absolutely nothing about the lack of inclusion of brown-skinned artists and art subjects in Eurocentric American Art History Education.

Go ahead and be as white as you wanna be, bro. Which is apparently, very, very white. No one can stop you. No one can tarnish your pure whiteness, as white as the very driven snow. Enjoy Il Sodoma’s whiteness, straightness, and super Northern in-no-way-a-person-of-color whateverness.

I’ll be over here having an art history and historiography blog.

[irefiordiligi]

AHAHAHAHAHAHH OMG YOU AREN’T ONLY EXTREMELY ARROGANT YOU’R ALSO STUPID AS WELL

“"But maybe what Anon irefiordiligi  does not understand is that their fatuous opinion European racial categories change absolutely nothing about the lack of inclusion of brown-skinned artists and art subjects in Eurocentric American Art History Education.”“

now please tell me where i say that pocs have never existed in european art? I just say that southern italians, who mostly have OLIVE skin tone, do not belong to the “umbrella term “People of Color”. THAT’S ALL

how is that black people came in many shades but white do not? a nigerian has a very dark skin, an eritrean otherwhise has a much lighter skin, by your logic an eritrean should be considered something else?cambodian people are darker than japanese but that doesn’t make them a different race!!so why is it so difficult for you to understand that white people may have different tone of skin colors too??

you know, i have a very pale skin, both my parents have very pale skins but my brother came out with a strong olive skin tone, if you would see him in a paint you would probably called him poc because he’s darker than me, but guess what????HE’S NOT, BECAUSE, AND I WILL NEVER BE TIRED OF SAYING IT, HAVING OLIVE SKIN DOESN’T MAKE US POC

[edit:sorry guys but i took down the pic with my friends because this post is going viral]

”“Go ahead and be as white as you wanna be, bro. Which is apparently, very, very white. No one can stop you. No one can tarnish your pure whiteness, as white as the very driven snow.

HOLY SHIT how can you be so arrogant?who the fuck you think you are??you accuse me of eurocentrism and don’t even understand how much american-centric you are, jesus christ i’m seriously laughing at your stupid american ass. Listen i don’t know what kind of fucked up STEREOTYPED idea do you people in the states have about Italy, about Spain, about Greece, about Portugal or about any other countries in Europe that doesn’t fit under your “umbrella”, the only thing that i have understand about americans is that apparently to be considered white one does have to be tall, blonde and with blues eyes, ok whatever. But you just can’t tell me that i’m not what i am after i have been looking at my face in the mirror every days for 23 years and see a white girl because you so disperately what us to be pocs. And you do, you are so focused on finding pocs in european art (thing that i like, that’s why i said that i like your blog) that you are mystifying the reality.

”“Enjoy Il Sodoma’s whiteness, straightness, and super Northern in-no-way-a-person-of-color whateverness.”“

AHAHAHAHAHA HERE THE FUNNIEST THING!!!

The picture you posted of Il Sodoma has been changed, did you make it darker on purpose?? this is what the original paint looks like

the second picture is said to be Sodoma, do you know what i see?i see a white guy with probably an olive skin tone, HOLY SHIT HE MUST BE A POC BECAUSE I’M AMERICAN AND I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT THAT WE AMERICANS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND  WHAT I THINK IS LAW AND DOESN’T MATTER WHAT NATIVE ITALIANS SAY, I WONT LISTEN TO THEM TALKING ABOUT THEMSELVES BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO BE POCS SO THEY ARE.

”“super Northern”“ are you idiot? he was born in fucking Vercelli!!!!!!!!!!!! How could you even think for a second that he was from the south???couldn’t you like idk read his biography and look at a map before posting??

WELL THAT’S REALLY LOOKS LIKE SOUTH ITALY.

It really unnerves me when i read stupid, bullshit, false things, expecially when said things concerns me, my people, my country, so you better understand the reality, take your head out of your ass and listen to us.

funny how you didn’t comment anything of what i wrote in the previous post, isn’t it?

Again, i’m not criticizing your blog, i like what you are doing, you are giving visibility to all the nonwhites that lived in europe, good, that’s great but do not get confused on who is really a poc and who is not.

[disneyvillainsforjustice]

may i ask what's going on with medievalPOC? are they a bad person?

MedievalPOC is a condescending  ass who has been shown on multiple to just be flat out wrong on the historical work they do AND is an antisemtic, racist asshole.  I’ll reblog some more info about them. 

And just on a personal level, they were apart of crackerhell/Riley’s circle of lapdogs, and were a big part of “SJW” harrassing tumblr. That’s enough for me to find them distasteful tbh. 

-Queenie

[brehaaorgana]

please do not give medievalPOC money. what they are proposing to do with their money is actually highly illegal unless they pay hefty fees in copyright for distribution of prints of POC in art to the depositories (museums or galleries) which own these images.

Not only that, I promise you they are completely misinforming you or altering facts in a great deal of their posts. MedievalPOC is the dashcon of representation and diversity and not enough people have realized they are a complete scam.  

[darqueloaf]

Ok. The person running MedievalPoC is an irl good friend of mine, has been since long before the blog started, so I know more than the average bear. The project itself? Not “a scam”, because “hey will you donate money to support me doing this project as I have too little income to continue doing this pro bono” isn’t *deceiving* *anyone*!!

“What they’re proposing to do with the money”????? I assume you mean the proposed coffee table book project, which has been shelved (heh) for the past *three years* because publishing it at the quality level the project deserves requires too much money for them to actually pull it off. Furthermore, they *have* looked into the copywrite laws, and back when they were actually planning the book (which again, as of now, December 2016, has been stalled for *three years*), they were curating the pieces to be featured and taking into account the fees required and including as many royalty free works as possible to make the book more financially feasible.

“I promise you they are completely misinforming you” because all the corrections, retractions, and source links they publish on the blog are clear evidence of their flagrant disregard for actual information.

Look. The reason they started the blog was not only because they are a lifelong fan of art and history, which they are, but moreso because they have also been a fan of swords and sorcery fantasy their entire life, and when the blog started they were getting into daily arguments for saying “people of color existed during ____time period and ‘historical accuracy’ is not an accurate reason for fantasy to be all white”. Mainly, with MedievalPoC, they were collecting the evidence they had *already been collecting* against that racist argument into a blog, so they didn’t have to keep fucking digging it up.

But how DARE my friends get free internet toasters and donations from strangers in return for curating a bunch of pictures.

[disneyvillainsforjustice]

I mean if you wanna defend your lying, dismissive, false apology giving, anti semetic friend despote all the receipts about them, thats cool but try and convince others we should forget.

- Queenie

[guacamoolie]

Numbers matter to black men right up until you pull up the statistics about how the leading cause of death amongst black women from ages 17-34 is domestic violence and how black women have the highest rates of being abused intraracially than any other group. Then all of a sudden niggas can’t read lmao.

[minimalmikee]

I really need sources on this.

[africanaquarian]

Ask and you shall receive.

[disneyvillainsforjustice]

So I read the sources. only one source says its the leading cause of death for black women aged 15 to 34 without any statistics, just one academic.

However if we go to the CDC Homicide accounts for 16 % (15 to 19), 17.3 % (20 to 24), and 9.3 % (25 to 34). The links you provided said that half of the homicides were due to domestic violence. Some quick and dirty math would place the numbers at 8%, 8.5%, and 4.5%. So some more quick and dirty math says that about 7 percent of black women ages 15 to 35 are victims of homicide due to domestic violence. Ish. That would make it, about the fifth or sixth leading cause of death out of the 10 or so the CDC looks at.

Black women are two and half times to be victims of domestic violence. however, in general, native American women are more likely to be victims of homicide via dv and sexual assualt. Its a problem for sure though.

-Queenie

[historical-nonfiction]

The 30 Years’ War, which lasted from 1618 to 1648, was the most costly religious war in European history. The fighting in central Europe claimed something around 8 million lives. But the war also took lives by accident. You see, it almost directly led to a devastating plague which marched across the Italian peninsula…

[sunderlorn]

So, people overseas might remember the MP, Jo Cox, who was shot and stabbed to death in the week running up to the Brexit vote. She was killed by Thomas Mair, in what was and still is rightfully labelled an act of blatant terrorism. Specifically, white nationalist terrorism.

He was tried and found guilty of murder today, and given a life sentence in prison.

Given the political climate in the West at the moment – in Europe, the UK, and the US – and the turn the media has taken in their discussion of these sorts of matters, I have mixed feelings about the way the BBC at least has reported on this.

On one level, I’m glad that they are placing front and center the fact that, yes, Thomas Mair was a Right-Wing extremist. Yes, he was in contact with pro-apartheid neo-nazi publications in South Africa. Yes, he showed an interest in the KKK. Yes, in his home he had hoarded up and meticulously organised a collection of nazi and white supremacist literature, pamphlets, and media. Yes, he literally owned a fucking Nazi eagle. Yes, it’s made clear that his attack was planned and executed as an act of terrorism, and an attempt to prove a twisted point to the country — it was motivated by the fact that he was deeply invested in the politics of hate, and saw the Brexit vote as a chance for those politics to gain ground.

They are calling him what he was, in that sense. A straight-up neo-nazi. And that’s more than a good deal of media is doing currently. (Can you say ‘alt-r*ght’? Can you say ‘dapper white nationalist’?) However, it’s still less than they ought to be doing.

The coverage given to Thomas Mair seems to go out of its way to present him as all this, but also as an obsessive loner with mental health issues. And real as these issues might be, to me, they seem to be put forward as a sort of scapegoat or smokescreen. An effort to make Mair’s politics seem like a symptom of his own, and not a symptom of the dangerous rising prominence of the Right throughout the world at the moment. It’s a decoy, making people afraid of the wrong thing. But isn’t that always the way with news coverage of white terrorists?

He was not, the BBC say, affiliated with any known far-Right groups in the country, and was not involved in rallies or marches. He was, they make a point of saying, independent — a rogue agent. Which, true as it may be, does nothing at all to raise awareness of the kind of groups who feel the way that he did, and are still at large. Or rather, fuck it, groups who are, in the US, UK, and Europe, on the fucking rise — going public, making inroads towards something like a kind of sick legitimacy.

And that is not fine. Call these people what they are, and make people aware of what they represent. Not by giving their ideas a fucking fair shake, or letting them rebrand themselves. But by showing people what they are – Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, white nationalists, fucking born-again fascists – and that, yes, they ought to be angry. That should be the only media coverage they get. To show people what to push against and tell them: Push.

[whythatsbullshit]

[Trump] is a complete maniac. His utter hate towards Muslims will make our job much easier because we can recruit thousands… Our leaders were closely following the U.S. election but it was unexpected that the Americans will dig their own graves and they did so.

Abu Omar Khorasani, Islamic State commander of Afghanistan  (via whythatsbullshit)

Read the article guys.

(via a-yarrigotyourtongue)