Sheepdoge Sidebloge

This started as a ZDK12 theory sideblog, then went through a few passing phases as a (cringeworthy) reblog dump. Now, it's basically an Undertale theory and datamining sideblog. I'm more interested in speculation about Chara and their role in the game I am about Gaster stuff, so expect a lot of Big Time Fucko.

[doge-w-a-bloge]

"ZT2 Underwater Zoo Glitch - old childhood mystery"

Many, many years ago, when I was a kid, I would spend arguably too much time playing Zoo Tycoon 2. It was my favourite game of all time. I remember one day, I was messing around with Marine Mania's aquarium walls, my favourite DLC by far. I'm not sure what I was doing exactly, but at some point anyway I decided I didn't like the shape of the new aquarium I had just made, and decided to delete some of the walls. That was when something really strange happened. The game froze for a little longer than usual, and the next moment I was looking at water - a whole lotta water. Somehow, most of the map I was playing on suddenly got submerged. The outer barriers on the edges of the zoo got pushed up to the limits of terrain limitations, something that is not normally possible, and most importantly, the various buildings, fences and objets I had previously placed around the zoo did not disappear. I was quite shocked when this happened, but also really excited, and of course my next thought was : "hey, can I get that to happen again?" And so, I created a new map. In a desert biome, ironically I guess. I placed all sorts of items down : restaurants, various kinds of fences, arches, enrichment items and paths, and even a jeep circuit, to test what would be affected by the water or not. I then got out my aquarium walls, made an aquarium, and deleted one of the walls. And the magic happened again. A large portion of the map got submerged in a roughly octogonal shape. And I was very, very happy to see that almost everything I had placed down was completely unaffected by the water. Even the jeeps continued to run. The paths did not jump to the surface (except the elevated paths). The buildings did not disappear and continued to function normally, such as the volcano or mist and snow dispensers. Only the physics items such as balls and barrels floated up to the surface. I could then place water related items such as floating islands or treasure chests normally, but no longer items that can only be placed on land. I remember having a lot of fun with this strange glitch. I recreated it multiple times and made entire underwater zoos with it. But, we're talking about a time that was some 15 years ago or more, and nowadays I don't have much left to show for it, nor have I been able to recreate this glitch recently, despite my best efforts to remember how I did it. Some maybe six or seven years ago, I found one of those old save files while searching through my computer, the one I described just now. I opened it and took five screenshots of it, and posted about it on a forum (probably the ZT2 Roundtable, but I'm not sure). The post got a few views but no replies. It doesn't exist anymore I don't think, I haven't been able to find it again. So now that I'm a Reddit user, I thought I would try once more to reach out to other Zoo Tycoon 2 players, in case some of you out there also know about this glitch and how to recreate it. Who knows?Maybe I'll finally get some answers about this strange childhood mystery !

Now, here are some theories I have about this whole thing, based on what I remember and by looking again at these screenshots : - The software. At the time, I played on CD versions of the base game with 3 DLCs : African Adventure, Endangered Animals, and Marine Mania. I didn't get the last DLC until much later (I didn't even know it existed!), and it is possible that this glitch does not work if Extinct Animals is installed or when trying to perform it in the Complete Edition. At least, I haven't been able to. Also, I live in France and therefore played on a European copy, in French. Who knows, maybe localisation can be responsible for it. - Performing the glitch. I know for a fact that this glitch did not just happen once. I could get it to happen again, sometimes with a bit of trouble, but still. These screenshots are proof enough : I was obviously placing random stuff for testing purposes. What I did each time was build an almost complete aquarium with one wall missing (and always rather big and a weird shape for some reason, maybe square boxes didn't work). I would then complete the aquarium, let it fill with water as normal, then either recycle the wall or use the cancel button to undo that wall. There may have had to be items inside the aquarium for it to work. Sometimes I had to insist and try and try again, until it eventually worked. When the glitch functioned, the game always froze for a little while. Perhaps my old and somewhat slow computer was responsible for causing this, I don't know. This is all I have. I hope someone out there has answers or has the time and curiosity to try to replicate this odd but cool glitch! I'm looking forward to your comments, theories, and hopefully your successful attempts. Happy zookeeping everyone!

[the-hydroxian-artblog]

You got a

Bed

Video ID: Yellow from Deltarune, lying comfortably in a Flowery-styled bed. Perhaps the bed's name is Bedery. An edit of Randy Newman's "You Got A Friend In Me" is playing, but it's about Beds. The camera slowly zooms in on Yellow's, and later, Flowery's face.

Here's the lyrics. Sing along if you'd like:

You got a Bed

You got a Bed in me :)

When the Bed look.... Rough a-Beeeed

And you're miiiiles and miles, from your nice, warm, BED.

You just remember what your old pal bed,

"Bed, yooou got a Bed in me."

Yeah, youuuu got a BEEEEED

You got a me in Bed. You got a Me in FRIEND ;)

You got Bed.

And I got 'em too! ^_^

There isn't any-thing I wouldn't do for you. We stick together and we see it through, 'Cuz,

yoooou got a Bed in me.

You got a BEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDD in me!

[[Contemplative Musical Flourish :)]]

Some other folks might be, a little bit smarter than I am...

Nice, Warmer-- too.

(maybe)

But none of them, will ever loooove bed the way I do,

It's me n' Bed, bed.

And as the yeeears go by,

our bed-ship will NEVER die! :D

You're gonna see, it's our BED-STI-NY

You got a-- Bed in me.

You got a Friend in Bed.

You got a

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDD

(beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeddddd.....)

[glowingsnows]

chapter 3 and 5 having dark fountains created by kris and they both ended with tenna and flowery getting cleaved by the knight. that's probably not a good sign for kris

[glowingsnows]

i get why people are uncomfortable about reading flowery as both an asriel parallel and a rudy parallel at the same time, but the thing is, both parallels ARE straight up there - he quite blatantly introduces himself as "asgore's best friend and college roommate" (and who do we know that fits that description) + him being "perfect" calls to mind asriel being "the perfect child". i know we love our funny "flowery is trying to fuck our dad" jokes but i do think that the jokes are becoming rather reductive when it comes to understanding flowery's relationship with asgore - all of the similarities that flowery shares with rudy and asriel (and arguably kris and toriel as well) implies to me that flowery was trying to be Everything to asgore by trying to be like the people he knows asgore loves, which does include trying to be a son-figure, a friend, and possibly even a lover all at once. and it makes complete sense to me that a flower might not understand the nuances between those relationships (which in turn could be a contributing factor to asgore finding his affections off-putting)

[glowingsnows]

this looks messy and i'm sorry if this is confusing to read (click on image to see it in full), but reflecting on chapter 5's callbacks to chapter 1 and predictions for chapter 6 made me consider that chapters 2 and 3 might also be foreshadowing for chapters 6 and 7 respectively so here's my insane ramblings about it

[judan-sero]

"Flower Man is about Asgore!" "No, it's about Flowery!" The humble secret boss that teaches you that one piece of text can have multiple meanings:

[tvlandofficiall]

i want to do a more proper analysis of this because it interests me as a potential aspect of a transfem egg ralsei read, but i feel like ralsei's hatred of flowery is being read as a very direct "because he sucks," and while i don't think it's inaccurate to say that he sucks, i don't think that's entirely why ralsei hates him. flowery is a darkner(-adjacent) who projects self-actualization very confidently, and ralsei tragically sees this as shameful and thusly feels a strong sense of shame regarding their own want for self-actualization. hating flowery, from what i can tell, is very much a way of expressing self-loathing for ralsei. and there's some irony here, too; flowery is a mirror to ralsei in a lot of other ways, devoted wholly to the lightners above himself, trapped in an archetype that he seems to take on largely for the approval of an authority figure who doesn't like that he's become a person, unable to truly live for himself. ralsei doesn't recognize this because flowery doesn't recognize this, and because they see only the want for self-actualization they feel so ashamed of, but his ending is a reflection of what their ending could be if they let their own fate consume them; in the end, only a simple object. it's interesting to me that in the end, for reasons ralsei cannot identify, ralsei finds themselves crying for his sake.

[tvlandofficiall]

this dynamic between the two of them; ralsei projecting their shame and self-loathing onto flowery's confidence in his ability to defy his own fate (and flowery intentionally provoking ralsei to try and get them to see his way); is fairly self-evident, i think;

but i think this scene with orange hints at it, too. ralsei is pretty mean to orange and even tries to rope susie in on it, and i think this is because they're carrying this same mindset over into their conversation with her.

[tvlandofficiall]

strangled by their roles as the lightners' servants. wanting, at the same time, to actualize outside of that, to do what darkners(-adjacent) aren't meant to do. flowery being unaware of just how little of their own he and his friends have, ralsei seeing the little of their own flowery and his friends do have and finding even that to be too much to bear, too sacrilegious. dramatic irony, ect. these two sicken me.

[mansuta]

my dess design i hope everyone likes it

[tedious-insanity]

Love how this line implies that Spamton is the reason TV World has a points-based economy.

[bobbyzombiegg]

[miroimirage]

*It's a poorly drawn picture of three smiling people. Written on it...

Don't forget

(Wips and thoughts under the cut!)

YEAH SO WHAT???? WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE SAW THE DON'T FORGET PICTURE BEING DRAWN BEFORE OUR VERY EYES???? WHAT!!!!! I HAD TO SIT THERE SLACK JAWED FOR A FULL MINUTE BEFORE I COULD THINK OF PROCEEDING WITH THE GAME (no pun intended)

Just. Crazy man. It's crazy. If you'd told 13 year old me about this she would have flipped

And as always, here's my process!! I exported a very short speedpaint too since someone asked for it once

Ah, ugly phone sketch my beloved... When I get an idea I need to scribble it down immediately or I WILL Forget. As you can see this is literally the final idea just in a shitty form

Cleaner sketch! I tried to start inking immediately after this but I needed an extra step where I refined Susie, Kris and Noelle a bit more before that

And rough colours! (I was going to make the upper half much warmer and more orange but I was just misremembering the lighting in the Regular scene and the one in the WR)

Aaand here's the tiny speedpaint! I might export longer ones in the future but I just struggled a bunch with the colours here so it's not very fun to watch

Thanks for reading all of this!! Have a smiling Tenna 8>[^D]

[misanthropicgardener]

I know that a lot of people say that this is meant to just be talking about kris' house but seriously i think that ignoring the blindingly obvious parallel to the layout of undertale is a huge disservice to it

[rockinmusicquarterly]

Do you think chara and spamton got paralelism? I seen some people claiming have a similar backstory, motives and are manipulated by the player into being evil and that accusing spamton of wr is the new "chara made me do it"

I personally don't really see it but I wanted to see other people opinions.

acting like you the player "manipulate" spamton into doing anything is really really funny to me tbh like .

i don't mean to pull out the "grown ass man" thing but the biggest difference between them is that chara is a suicidal 10 yr old who only just now got "brought back" from what they were sure is their death, calls themself a demon because they believe themself evil, doesn't understand what you're even doing at first, and actively tells you to do something else if you do no mercy multiple times

versus spamton who is. very much a grown ass adult that knows exactly what you're doing, who you're hurting and how you're taking advantage of noelle to do it, and even then is very ready to give you the tools to carry out your violence more effectively so that he can take advantage of the chaos to slip into queen's basement

the absolute most they share is the "[x] left" counter thing, but that's about as active as chara gets until the end of no mercy. spamton actively gives you a weapon that will make noelle easier to use and command, one that he knows will hurt her (because he laughs about it when he gives it to you).

even the fact that he mentions the thorn ring in the normal route if you beat him up, like... this whole thing is something always in his back pocket. it's not something he does out of desperation or fear or manipulation or whatever - it's an opportunity that he's fully taking advantage of to get what he wants. he even Knows it's shitty, he calls you a jackass for it and says he knew you'd be evil with it, he literally just. doesn't care. so long as it helps him with his own goals, he doesn't care how many people get hurt or killed in the process.

and to me removing this kind of agency from him makes him a weaker character. he's vindictive and opportunistic and wants to hurt the people he feels wronged by and wants NEO so that he can become powerful enough to do so. he is his own worst invention, and he dies in weird route from his own hubris.

tldr: chara is a 10 yr old literally leave them be. spamton gives a 15 year old a roofie ring

[rockinmusicquarterly]

voice of guy who is so scared and being cruelly manipulated into every bad thing he's ever done

[paroxysmaljune]

really hate when deltarune analysis posts say definitively that kris is in love with susie. like idk i think it depends. also aromanticism

[doge-w-a-bloge]

#i feel that some folks writing those posts have never watched a close friend enter a relationship#and felt the bittersweet acknowledgment that their priorities are going to shift. that you are not their Most Important anymore#because the expectation is that you will prioritize your romantic partner. always.#its up in the air obviously. i wont begrudge people from wanting to explore what they like#but i do think that it is open ended and that there is certainly room for other interpretations#as an aro who's watched many friends grow distant after entering relationships#as most of their attention and care diverts toward their partner#it was a familiar feeling to see throughout ch5

[glowingsnows]

is it controversial to say that everything we learned about asgore in chapter 5 pretty much cements my belief that tenna isn't actually that much of an asgore parallel like many believed. i think the reveal that asgore is actually not at all interested in indulging in the fantasy world that was being catered to him and instead is only interested in whatever information that the flower king dark world could give him to further his investigations (compared to tenna, aka John Escapism aka mr. "do not look past that area in my game there's actually nothing there nope there's totally no leftovers from the original game there" aka the guy who traps the fun gang into playing his games to prevent them from moving forward when they found out what tenna had actually been up to behind the scenes) solidifies this for me personally

[doge-w-a-bloge]

#yeah tenna is way more like. overbearingly undertale toriel to me#he has similar nostalgic ideas to asgore but ppl act like toriel isn't Also nostalgic#as if she isn't the one where so many conversations with her are variations of ''kris do you remember when [x]?“#i feel like ppl just automatically assign tenna to asgore bc they're men#though ch 5 did show more of what asgore was like with his family#re: not actually prioritizing them and neglecting them in favor of absolving himself#while tenna is like. detrimentally to himself hyperfocused on his family#to the point of blaming and hating himself for not being able to help them properly

[ballgame]

I'm not a "Kris will lose their hand" enthusiast or anything but I always find it so strange coming across people who are vehemently against it and/or treat it as evidently ridiculous

[skrubadub]

they should make deltarune merch that is a flowery body pillow except the pillow comes pre-installed with a voice box and it comes with separate instructions written by ralsei on how to surgically remove the voice box from your flowery body pillow

[8amira8]