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[galaxywarp]

So obviously we all have a million thoughts about the new episode but one that stood out a LOT to me is when Rick Prime said this:

“I miss when it was just you and me. The only two Ricks to actually invent portal travel.”

(*slight paraphrasing because I don’t have the episode in front of me rn)

We already knew that Rick Prime went around offering portal guns to various Ricks, and punishing the ones who refused to accept it. Before, i sort of assumed that there was a decent mixture of Ricks who invented portal travel themselves and Ricks who were “gifted” portal guns by other Ricks.

But now, that doesn’t seem to be the case. While I don’t think that Prime himself went around to every single Rick in the multiverse, he did seem to start the chain reaction of Ricks pulling other Ricks into the curse of inter-dimensional travel. He gives one Rick a portal gun. That Rick gives two more Ricks a portal gun. Then it spreads out exponentially from there.

Except for our Rick. C137. He never accepted a portal gun from anyone else. He built his own, all by himself, only knowing that the concept was somehow possible and having to figure out the math and science alone.

And that’s SO crazy to me. I mean, in every universe, Rick is credited as the smartest man ever usually BECAUSE of portal travel. But except for Prime and C137, all the other Ricks just….inherited it. They took the credit for what another version of themselves did, and spread it to other Ricks like a disease, but only Prime and C137 can truly say that yes, I actually invented portal travel.

Only Prime and C137 can truly call themselves the “Rickest Rick.” One says it with pride. The other says it with pain, behind the choked burn of the liquor he’s trying to drown himself in.

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if wanting to be loved is such a pathetic feeling why are we born with it interwoven on the soul

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I HAD A THOUGHT

so i was rewatching episode 2 (by far my favorite episode this season)

When God is speaking directly to Job, Crowley looks shocked to see this. He sees the Almighty talking and, despite knowing there may not be answers, says "but just to be able to ask the question".

Now of course this could very well be Crowley's desire to ask why he was thrown from Heaven along with the others. However, with the shock that Crowley shows when seeing the Almighty, this could very well mean that he's never spoken to God directly, WHICH MEANS the questions Crowley wanted to ask were never actually asked in front of God.

And who is the Voice of God? The one who responds when the Almighty is called upon? The Metatron.

We've seen the Almighty gloss over disobedience, (see Aziraphale giving away his flaming sword) and we have seen the Metatron glare at Crowley while he was minding his own business.

What if the Metatron is the brains behind the Fall and taken over the role of God while she just sits and watches for amusement.

[densewentz]

I have a lot of feelings about season 2 obviously, mostly that it was brutally fantastic, but it really serves to highlight the main difference between Crowley and Aziraphale's understanding of loss. long angsty analysis under cut

Because Crowley already knows what it is to lose Aziraphale. I mean really lose him. He fell to the floor in the burning heart of the bookshop thinking Aziraphale was dead and gone. We get to see in fantastic living color how broken it leaves him. He's forced to spend time wallowing in the hopelessness of it before Aziraphale is miraculously back. Then cut to heaven during their ruse, where Crowley is standing there in the flames with Gabriel grinning maliciously in his face, telling the love Crowley just got back to shut up and die. If that scrap of prophecy hadnt found them, if they hadn't been quick enough, clever enough, Crowley would have lost him again. For Good. For Ever. That entire scene, from the cropped cut of Crowley twisting Aziraphale's wrists in their bonds all the way through to the end, Crowley is in a visibly barely contained rage. He's quiet, and still. These are the beings that have been tormenting his love for centuries, who tried to take him away once already and want to take him away from Crowley again. And it boils in him in the same combination that makes terrified dogs Bite. And we see the lasting effect that fear has on him throughout season 2. It drives almost every interaction Crowley has with other characters, particularly in his vehemence that Jim!Gabriel not be anywhere near Aziraphale. Crowley is able to word for word quote that moment back to Jim!Gabriel mostly unprompted because I guarantee its just been repeating in his head since the archangel showed up in the bookshop. He needs Aziraphale safe in that desperate and agonized way you can only feel if you already know what its like to lose them. And the entire season he's combating the fact that the biggest threat to Crowley's love is sitting in his livingroom and Aziraphale keeps handwaving Crowley's trauma away.

Which brings us to Aziraphale. Aziraphale who has never had to experience losing Crowley. His demon is always there just on time, always at his shoulder and on-call. Aziraphale has no concept of the depth of Crowley's grief during the time Crowley thought he'd died in the bookshop, and no idea the damage Crowley's incognito trip to heaven had on him. And then parallel Aziraphale's part in the ruse. Yes, he's playing at being cheeky Crowley, but I'd bet all my money most of that was just Aziraphale relishing in doing what he loves to do: Dramatizing. Watch his scene in hell compared to Crowley's in heaven. Aziraphale is having a blast. To him its a stage production, a clever trick he gets to play. Michael pours 'Crowley' a holy water death bath and it just makes Aziraphale grin because he knows it wont work. He plays it up, wings the water at the demons, makes silly demands, asks the angel who would have killed Crowley to bring him a towel. It's a joke to Aziraphale, because he never even seems to consider (as Crowley obviously does) the reality that if they hadn't swapped places Crowley would be dead. That Michael came grinning down to hell to destroy him. Forever destroy him. And Aziraphale even giggles about it to Crowley on the bench. Aziraphale has no reference or context of what it would be like to actually lose Crowley, it'd be unheard of, so he never processes what could have happened in the way Crowley does. And we continue to see that ignorance crop up in season 2. His dismissal of Crowley's fears as being silly, the way he never once seems to worry for Crowley's safety even with the other angels and hell minions in the room. Michael and Beelzebub are right there. The two who would have seen Crowley turned into nothing. But there's just not the awareness of the threat to Crowley (or himself, but thats another problem) that Crowley inversely possesses. And it all boils down to the simple fact that Aziraphale has never ever lost Crowley. Until now. And you can see it beginning to process post-kiss. You can see it in Aziraphale's face as Crowley dons his glasses and turns his back on Aziraphale for real. This is going to be the beginning of Aziraphale learning what it is to lose his love, and its going to be absolutely heartbreaking yes, but also completely necessary to his growth.

There's that wretched little saying "you don't know what you've got until its gone". Crowley's learned that lesson the hard way already. I guess now its Aziraphale's turn.

[xanzilopterix]

I can't stop wondering if angels or demons would even kiss

Is that something they do?

I've seen people comment that the Aziraphale Crowley kiss looks kinda stiff and awkward but I think that makes it better

Neither of them have ever kissed before

It's a human thing to do

It just feels right that in a moment of pure emotion and desperation, Crowley would do something so human

A kiss that carries the weight of all the time they spent together on earth, not in heaven, not in hell, just the pair of them, on their own side

"when you're gone, remember us, remember how we could have been different"

[biceratops7]

you guys it’s go time, let’s take stock:

I’ve been around the block getting favorite shows renewed. Here’s what we need to ask ourselves:

What is a hashtag we can all agree along the lines of “renew good omens”? I propose just that, #renew good omens (or #RenewGoodOmens on other platforms), short and simple. Tag it on EVERYTHING. COMMENT it on everything.

What are Amazon Prime’s most used social medias? Where are they most likely to interact with fans and actually SEE these tagged posts? Post any good omens thing you make THERE.

How are the shoes actual reviews fairing? What is the imbd and rotten tomatoes score? Make a log in, and show your love THERE.

Re-watching is ENDLESSLY important, we need to be doing that until the cows come home. But there’s no guarantee it’ll work in isolation. Don’t forget we need to do more.

First of all, it communicates to the networks in a massive, organized wave that we aren’t just watching the show casually. That it MEANS something to us and we’ll hype the FUCK up out of a season 3. Second of all, it gets the news out to potential NEW audiences that can join the team and help us in this endeavor.

@amazonprime @amazon (oh good! You’re here 🙂)

@goodomensonprime

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there is also merch that can be purchased directly from amazon (i already bought a t shirt)

[tenthrees]

crowley thought he was showing aziraphale the injustices of heaven over the last 6000 years but aziraphale just saw how good and pure crowley was.

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im not rewatching it im not rewatching it im not rewatching it

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my two cents about the GOSS2 ending

I've seen so many videos of people throwing away their azi merch (as a joke, I know) but this is COMPLETELY in character for him to do this.

The story with Job and his children is the VERY BEGINNING of Aziraphale's arc distancing himself from Heaven. Crowley not only started that journey before the Beginning, but what happened to him was so traumatizing to him that he was instantly skeptical of Hell.

He was the one to bring up "both getting it wrong" in the Garden of Eden. He already understood how easily the lines can be blurred and even how blurred they can get.

We've already talked about Crowley starting to fall for Aziraphale when he learned Azi gave his sword away to the humans without consulting the Almighty first, and with the first scene of Season 2, we can see they met right as Crowley was creating the cosmos (and presumably right before he fell) and how indifferent he was towards him.

Crowley has been pining for Aziraphale because he is the Angel that is the furthest from Heaven and is willing to blur the lines with him. Aziraphale asking him to rejoin the legions of Heaven is not only dismissive of his trauma, but also ignoring the feelings that Crowley has been expressing, not only towards Aziraphale but about Heaven and Hell as well.

This is completely unintentional on Aziraphale's part and he still wants to believe that Heaven can be right and just. While he has been listening to Crowley's thoughts about everything for thousand of years, he struggles to understand where he is coming from as he still believes that Heaven is fundamentally Good and Hell is fundamentally Bad.

I love Aziraphale so much and while he did hurt my baby Crowley, I have no doubt that he feels betrayed as well. I loved the ending and I can only hope that we get a season three.

[grntaire]

this is hilarious but i’m gonna talk here

this season, michael sheen did some of the most impressive acting that i’ve ever seen. i laughed the most and cried the hardest during scenes with him and he was so perfectly captivating the entire time.

aziraphale is a character who i think a lot of actors would treat unseriously, adopting the flamboyant gay comic relief archetype. a lot of writers also would’ve exploited this angle too but neil would literally never boil aziraphale down to that lol. but michael shows so much love for this character and in turn i think it makes the queer community feel loved and seen. i know it makes me feel loved and seen.

aziraphale’s arc is clear as fucking day an allegory for queer deconstruction from an oppressive religious environment. and michael sheen brought that to life so brilliantly and expertly and with such reverence and compassion that it makes my heart ache just to think about it. it’s what made the ending so devastating–the polarizing sides within aziraphale had never both come to the surface at once with such fervency before. it was agonizing and raw and gritty and he played it perfectly.

it’s so clear that he truly gets not just aziraphale as a character but what he represents, too. and the fact that he is able to play him so well is truly mind boggling. truly, one of the most beautiful performances i have ever seen. give this man an emmy right the fuck now

[tumbld-out-of-my-bed]

Can we actually just take a minute to thank Neil actually? He DIDN'T HAVE TO give us the Apology Dance or the dance in the Ball or the Bentley scene or Angel Crowley or them sharing an armchair or the continuation of the Blitz Scene or any of it, really, but he did. Thank you, Neil.

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FACTS im so here for the apology dance

[keyntac]

Days seem sometimes as if they’ll never end

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no because i need to have zero human contact for a week if they want me to function the same way ever again

[lyleeloop]

They love a good hug

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I was so close to not hyperfixating on them why would you do this to me

[doctorwhoexpandeduniverseprompts]

Doctor Who Prompt:

Turns out, the Master was lying.

About what, you're not quite sure; you've had a lot of adventures with the Doctor, but they never really talk about the past a lot; not in that they refuse to talk, more like it never really comes up that much.

Have a question about the Patriarchs of the Tin Vagabond? The Doctor will happily give you a two and a half hours breakdown of their core religious beliefs, their home planet, what central religion they splintered from, what their actual species are called outside of their faction, and so on and so forth.

Ask the Doctor about who they are, what they do, where they're from? "The Doctor", "travel and meet people", and "My home! Where else? Though, mind you, I spend so much time on earth it might as well be my second home planet!" Will be your answers, respectively.

You might not know much about the Doctor's history... But you've definitely run into the Master on multiple occasions, and you know one thing for certain:

Rule number one: The Master lies.

So why does the Doctor look so shocked at the Master's words?

"I was lying, you know. In the citadel." The Master had grinned, too wide, his green eyes glimmering with a strange inner light you knew would have hypnotized you if you hadn't looked away in time, "It's not you." The Master said, putting on an extracagant show of fake remorse, "It's me."

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Pleaseeee

[dr-stone-simp]

After watching the timeless child… I’m completely stumped.

I can’t tell if I like it or not, or even what parts about it I liked or not.

I’m not bothered about the Doctor being the timeless child, and I think even though she’s ‘special now’, the people who liked her for being an ordinary guy who just decided to leave (including myself) can just use the same logic here. Like, she was just a kid. In her home universe, I’m sure she wasn’t special compared to her peers. It was the people of Gallifrey that put her on a pedestal.

That being said, I hate that she’s not a Time Lord anymore. I can only think of Tennant’s speech and other impactful moments and feel sad because he didn’t know that it wasn’t true. Like, she could be considered ‘The First Time Lord’, which I would not hate. But it does make me a little sad.

The next thing on my mind is the suggesting that there were many regenerations before One. Part of the magic of Doctor Who is knowing that you can’t possibly know everything about the Doctor. Every episode is a time skip, we don’t know how many adventures they’ve gone on between what we get to see, but adding tens or even hundreds or regenerations that we don’t get to even know about makes me so sad. I feel like if they didn’t introduce the fugitive doctor or suggest any regenerations after being a test subject, I wouldn’t have minded it so much. But the fugitive doctor shows that not only she left Gallifrey between that time and when we first see him as One, but she’s done something that has extreme repercussions for the current doctor.

I don’t know, I’m trying to envision this plot with either Tennant or Smith to see if I would like it better but I still can’t even tell if I like it.

Other than that reveal, I loved that episode. I love the design of the Cybermasters and the Master was a fun antagonist as always.

[adarrhiannon]

Ignoring for a second some of the other reasons people may dis/like the timeless child twist, I think that one of the key things in terms of how people take it comes down to which of two themes they prefer.

Dislike: Those that prefer the theme that the Doctor was basically just an ordinary person who *chose* to leave Gallifrey. The theme is about what you choose rather than who you are inherently and the Doctor themselves is no one special.

Like: Those that read the Doctor as always different but never knowing why, having their identity erased and agency removed. Leaving Gallifrey because they always knew they were "different".

And I almost wonder if part of why the discourse I've seen around the twist gets so volatile is because people see themselves in media. And so if one of the themes is particularly dear to you then you don't want to see that being diminished.

[ghostfvcker-archive]

look im doctor who posting on main because i NEED to get this off my chest DESPERATELY

i'll admit i don't really like the chibnall era, i think it had massive potential that the writers just... did that with. I think the one thing that suffered the most from this was the timeless child thing

Because like, simply put:

Broke: the doctor is the timeless child

Woke: the master is the timeless child

Im sure im not the only one whose thought of it: it seems an obvious but satisfying conclusion. The last time we saw the master she was shot dead for good on a mondassian spaceship, with one foot over the line trying to help the doctor...

And the next time we see him he's his usual mad, megalomanic self.

I mean just IMAGINE you're the master, regenerating when you could have sworn you'd shot twice, abandoned by the literal only person you want approval from in the whole fucking universe, and you're sad and scared and confused. So you decide, against better judgement that you haven't had for years (if at all) to go home and get answers.

And you find out you're the timeless child.

The master's WHOLE CHARACTER revolves around cheating death, stealing lives, fighting tooth and nail for every regeneration you have. I mean fuck, he crispified himself, catboyed himself, turned into goo, became a skeleton(??) All to stay alive. And he finds out he didn't ever have to.

He realizes the homeworld that's treated him like shit and treated him like an experiment his whole life was built on the foundations of his dna, that they spent so much time punishing him for just existing (and, you know, all the murder) when he created them.

And he burned it to the ground.

So of course when they next meet, he's actively antagonizing the doctor again. Of course he's cruel and clever and severely off his rocker, because he just learned he'd spent the last hundreds of years wasted fighting for lives that were his birthright.

Like i mean COME ON that would be SICK