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[beanbeebraveree]

i guess this is gonna be a drama blog now thats fine i can remake

but im so ashamed of the nevermore fandom rn tbh because its like. ok did we all just decide bullying is ok

someone had to delete a post being neutral because people read it like supporting rnf and actually bullied that person into closing the post. and then said they didnt bully but yeah you did. you did this and there are posts still up that are proving it. some got taken down which is good because maybe that means your rethinking but i bet scressnots exist somewhere.

that was seeking to harm or intimiate. and its with red too like red apologized. maybe the apology was too long but it was very clearly an apology and says that crimsin isn't on the server anymore. so as long as thats the truth im cool.

its all cool to disagree but whats the obsession with making a big deal out of it cant you just leave the fandom quietly talk about it to your friends and not try to actually hurt people. and yeah red counts as a person and so do the nice people on the post you decided had to be taken off tumblr.

im so so so so tired of going to the tag and finding this stupid kindergarten baby stuff like at least act like high schoolers i can handle that but you all make me sick. idec what your beliefs are about the situation but stop putting them in the tag and stop bullying people because it makes you look ugly

check the definition your bullying the entire fandom because you see it as vulnerable and you are seeking to intimiate everyone into belieiving the same things you do. and if they dont its ok because youll just bully them off the site. and make fun of them in your tags. and harm there mental health. and plug up the tag with your baby fighting.

so ill nicely ask please stop. and i know you wont and your gonna bully me too if you see this but if you do know that its gonna show on your face someday

[drama-sideblog]

Ehem... so are we gonna talk about how 1. none of this actually happened and 2. the definition of "bully" more so applies to Aalyah and Elijah than it does to Remi and Tom? Who didn't delete any comments by the way. They were blocked.

[whiterexpper]

Here we go...

Edit: added the nevermore tag for a reason vv

Edit; added the nevermore tag because

1) nora is mentioned in a reblog of the entire situation

2) nevermore has NOTHING to do with this situation, nevermore is a comic, this is completely different drama that involves a horrible person. Nevermore is a GREAT webtoon that brought a second family together for me, Im not hating on the comic. Im only involving the tag to gather attention to another side issue (its not bigger than the crimson issue. That issue is the main issue and the victims need more focus than anything).

So I haven't said anything about previous events so far, and my point still stands as I will remain quiet as everything has just come to a head with it all. It'll still sit here and marinate and reveal everything about the drama. A lot of people don't know, but all of this drama that happened? (Not the crimson drama, the previous drama about the mass ban) Has happened because Nora (or Sardonyx) personally went out of her way to lie and tell everyone what was happening. Most of the bans were innocent, if not all. And I was scooped up into it by nora herself and told the same shit, and I was only told the right issues involving it because someone who is close friends came forward about it all, and told me and showed me the truth.

Nora(Sardonyx) has had a hold on every dramatic situation, she has lied, been a hypocrite, a two face, and has shown she cannot be trusted. She has decided to talk shit and speak about all of this to a 13 year old, and Nora is 27. Everyone knows this, she is a manipulator who will try her best to make others look bad to get the heat off her back. Another issue with nora is previous conversations I've had with her, in light of them, some of the conversations we've had, she has made toxic remarks towards others. Bad mouthed almost every patreon, and has dragged me into it. I tried to match her jokes, tried to be friendly and laugh along with her. And in that, I'm sorry on my end. I never intended to hurt others, but she has. Again, I dont have any of these screenshots because I did leave any server I was associated with her in, and can't prove it on my end. She probably could, with cherry picked screenshots and edited ones as well.

I again apologize on my end for that, she has manipulated me through every part of our dms and has influenced me to be just as bad of a person. I've learned to be better, and I have talked with one of the people she has talked bad about and we are both on good terms. If no one knows this by now, she is still in the main server, after showing proof of her Threatening to kidnap and torture, her nasty remarks, she has tried to tell others that another person is Homophobic, which was untrue and that would have resulted in a ban. In the end, she's still there. And She's getting away with threats and others. I highly recommended staying away from her, as she has lied, manipulated and bought her way through everyone.

Another issue with nora is her banner situation, she has used NSFW fan art as a banner, fully exposed, unblurred fan art. Not going at the artist, but Nora using that art as her main banner on discord has resulted in minors seeing it. She has spoken to two people who asked her to change in, because they and others were uncomfortable and this was her response.

She used the main nevermore discord, a server that had NOTHING to do with the situation. Also her lying in this reply, she talks to minors. (Not in the crimson disgusting way-) but she does actively dm minors at the time it happened. She wasn't considerate. And the kidnap and torture mention, well. She never got banned for threatening two people.

I blocked out the other person and the victims names, as I don't know if they want to be named or not. Some people know who she is but for the sake of tumblr, I'm blurring her out. Through some of mine and her dms, there was some playful flirting going back and forth. Note on playful, by the way, but her being engaged and having a partner and telling me she thought all of it was real? Someone needs to hold her hand when they tell her this....(not me, dont let me go near that crazy woman she might K&T me too...)

But yeah, they were playful, pretty heavy flirting and it got detailed, SURE, its PLAYFUL FLIRTING. it happens. But her saying she's a "lesbian in a straight relationship"? Someone needs to hold her hand and to tell her AGAIN because this just aint it...

But she's still there, I've left the main nevermore server because of her. Because of her lies and manipulation, she has dragged others into this. People who had no involvement in this, but thats her way. She has done it before, DMing other people because she can't fight her own battles. She has to have others do it.

In the end, all I have to say is, Nora (sardonyx) is the one behind all the drama that happens, and will continue to be the one and will continue to get away with it. I highly advise to keep your distance from her , if not well...none of this would have been posted if she didn't go around acting like a 14 year old and spreading rumors about me.

Nora, if you're reading this, tell Eric i feel so bad for him to end up with someone as pathetic as you. And that the person you wanted to get freaky with found out how much of a horrible person you are. And I hope others do the same.

anyway..be careful with her or you might end up kidnapped and tortured <3

(stay safe)

[conscience-grim]

fuck rnf and hiwi for unbanning a proven pedophile and allowing people to talk about nsfw in public. ive been on the server since it opened and theyve consistently sexualised rape and racism for years lmfao

i do still enjoy nevermore as a concept and ill be doing a full rewrite of it

[fandom-drama-side-blog]

Look, when that happened RnF did not have all the information that they do now. They unbanned that person because to them the screen shots they had went through several people, where heavily censored, and said information came from a person known to start things. Also all the things that they knew happened came from a separate server, not the main one. The person that was banned said it was "a mistake" that they "didn't know the people where minors," they where also 18 or 19, and when talking to the mods about what happened they seemed remorseful and humiliated. The heavily censored screen shots where all they had. Said screen shots came from a person the mods and RnF do not trust. The victims screen names where censored, the images where censored, and they weren't aloud to know the victims screen names so they couldn't corroborate the evidence. With the information the mods had, this sounded like a new adult who mad a dumb mistake, in a server that the mods weren't in.

Then they unbanned the person (after 4 months), and put them on probation. Said person was on thin ice. The back lash caused new evidence to come to light and the person was banned again.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but you grossly misrepresented the facts of the case. The way you phrased it made it sound like they knew what was going on. The didn't.

The mods aren't omniscient. They can't know when stuff like this is going down if no one tells them about it. And again, they did not have all the information that they do now. They where doing there best with what they had.

[conscience-grim]

Hi, I'm going to ask you some questions and then respond. Pedophilia, rape and victim blaming under the cut.

Why should a mod team distrust the individual? Is it due to their previous actions? Did the mod team have proof that their previous actions were "stirring up trouble" or were they mentioning valid concerns? Were these concerns minimised by the mod team?

Why does censoring information mean it is less viable, other than lack of correbation?

How did the mod team react? Was it professionally, considering they are an official server? Was it unprofessionally? Was it self-blame? Was it overly emotional?

Secondly, the reason it appears like I "grossly misrepresented the facts of the case" is because I'm not talking about one case. I'm speaking about the ~10 other times similar events (note: not this specific user, I'm glad they were re-banned, and consider that a good thing) was brought up, sometimes years ago. I've known at least 3 reports of pedophiles to the team, and this is the only one that's had a response at all.

I mention Hiwi specifically because they are an adult on the mod team who has a habit of mentioning kinks and rape-play to minors, and explicitly stated that people who are sexually assaulted "secretly wanted it". Red has not banned them because they are her childhood friend, which I believe, personally, is biased.

I mostly hope that, to be blunt, the people involved get help. It's steeped in cult-like behaviour, which is why I've been taking my time away from them.

[fandom-drama-side-blog]

Sorry for the previous harsh response. I'm fairly involved in the fandom, and I feel like I have to put out fires at times.

To answer your questions first, the untrustworthy person in question has a habit of baiting in people in to doing things that could get them banned. The fact that the screen shots where censored mean that they could have been edited. The mods didn't trust this person due to their past actions. They did not provide proof, but a lot was going on at the time so I don't blame them for not being able to provide receipts.

Censored information isn't less viable perse, but it was the fact that the person who did the censoring was seen as untrustworthy that made it less viable. Also all the explicit images where censored, so they didn't know the severity of the situation.

They tried to respond to it professionally, but they kept being attacked for what happened before they had all the information and responses became emotional. Though once things cooled down they continued to answer questions for transparency and responses became professional again.

You see, from the way you phrased it, people who don't have knowledge of server history wouldn't interpret it that way. I was unaware of the other things that happened, so I took your words to mean that they were related to this case specifically. It was a misunderstanding, and I apologize. Could you provide a brief synopsis of the other events? I would like to know what has happened in the past should something like this happen again. You know, so I can identify a pattern and not rely so much on what other people know.

I was unaware of the situation regarding Hiwi. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'll look out for that in the future. Do you have specific examples or screen shots? I doubt doubt you, I just want a more detailed picture of what happened.

As for the cult like behavior thing. I feel like it's a common occurrence for insular fandom spaces like discord servers. And that it's usually unintentional. I just try to stay aware of what is happening. I'm also not as active as most, and my activity is usually in the more nevermore specific channels so I don't think I've noticed the cult like aspects of it.

[thelesbomancer]

Hey, just wanted to give you some extra context as the person who is being referred to in those messages (I'm Laci),

While you mentioned the screenshots were “heavily edited”, it's crucial to emphasize that the comments and content depicted in those screenshots were deeply concerning and inappropriate. Regardless of the intent or context, sending explicit material to minors, regardless of age, is unacceptable and violates Discord community standards. The only thing censored in the screenshots were the names of some of the people involved that preferred to be kept anonymous as well as one image that was completely NSFW. I felt uncomfortable dming Red with a picture of literal porn so I censored it. If they wanted the uncensored NSFW image I could have provided it. As for the names, I would’ve needed consent from all of the parties involved. They now have all of the uncensored screenshots. The decision to unban Crimson (The person who sent explicit material to several minors) and put them on “probation” without full verification of the screenshots contents may have inadvertently exposed minors to further risk. It's crucial that such decisions prioritize the safety of community members, especially vulnerable minors. People began to state that they were some of the minors who Crimson has sent inappropriate material to in the general chat upon seeing their presence and expressed their general distaste for it. A few of the people who came forward were muted after expressing themselves and were unable to participate in any further discussion. All of that could have been avoided if they investigated further or reached out. In Red's response to the situation she claimed that the minors were "Egging" Crimson on. I can't even begin to express how gross it is to imply that the minors were attempting to get Crimson to send the explicit material to them, especially after so many of them expressed their discomfort with the situation. Red also mentioned they should have reached out to the mod team personally instead of getting an adult to communicate the information to the mods as a third party. Again, if there was an issue with the legitimacy of the images provided I would've liked to talk about it before they made the decision to unban Crimson. Screenshot below.

I'd also like to point out that the attempt to excuse Crimson's actions based on her age and down playing it by saying "Not like, 34 or anything." Regardless of her age, an adult should not be sending sexually explicit material to a minor. It's also offensive to attempt to downplay the severity of the things Crimson had said as "talking about boobs" when Red had access to screenshots showing that she did much more than just that. In regards to my suddenly controversial presence, I still do not understand what I have done to make myself untrustworthy. I am most definitely not known for making people say things that will get them in trouble or banned, I usually just draw and post my art and do not interact with the Nevermore Discord beyond that unless it was in Patreon stream. I don’t understand where that accusation has come from as it's completely untrue. Multiple people could back me up on that. When a large group of people were banned from the Nevermore discord that I was associated with, I was not banned because I had no actions to verify that I was also doing anything offensive. I never participated in anything that could’ve been seen as toxic in the community. I was narrowly spared from being banned by association alone because I had several people say I was a good person. While the main issue at hand was the presence of an adult who had sent explicit material to minors in the discord server being reintroduced to the community it somehow turned into a large fight about me being an untrustworthy individual and a hypocrite. I cannot stress enough how unimportant Red’s opinion of me is in the face of a literal crime being committed. Sending explicit material to minors is ILLEGAL. Regardless of your age, regardless of circumstance. I frankly find it appalling that they decided that the evidence provided was insufficient just because they didn’t like that the source was me and thus decided that the images were doctored. If during Crimson’s appeal they had simply dmed me and asked for the personal testimony from the people involved I would’ve happily directed them to the affected parties. 

On top of being illegal, which is obviously worse, here are a list of the Discord TOS that Crimson violated through the screenshots alone.

Crimson attempted to normalize the relationship of a 16 year old and 22 year old OC to a minor (screenshot below)

The next two are self explanatory

Below I’ve posted an example of the “Heavily edited” screenshots. (Not all of them, just a few) As you can see the only thing that was censored are the names of the people involved. None of the content was edited. I’d also like to mention that this was not a side server, it was a group chat created by people in the Nevermore discord to speak to each other privately.

CW: Explicit sexual text. Please do not view these screenshots if you are under the age of 18 ↓

[thelesbomancer]

Here are the messages I sent to red on the day of the report. It was never mentioned that the names not being included was an issue.

end of the convo

[drama-sideblog]

Hi. I made this blog because I didn't want my name to be thrown around in the situation. You won't know who I am- I do prefer to keep it that way.

I'd like to add (for anyone that may not have seen the conversation unfold) that not only was Red's initial response filled with some pretty unfair statements (as well as more than a little bit of victim blaming), but the LENGTHY argument that followed also showed just how unreasonable she was being. If everyone's questions were answered calmly and in a professional and apologetic manner, this whole thing may not be happening. But, well... that's not how Red addressed it.

Believe me, there were a lot of things said from all directions that were seriously inexcusable. But I think what concerned me most of all of the things red said was each time she would drag someones name into a situation. The most notable example (anyone who was here when this happened probably saw this coming lmao):

Seriously, red? you're a grown ass adult. An hour ago, you were complaining about not having enough information from Laci. Then, people give you more information, and suddenly they're "lackeys"? This is honestly just an emotionally immature thing to say as a whole, even ignoring the context of what's happening.

this came even before the lackey comment. What was the point of saying this? it's not conflict resolution. all you're doing is reinforcing what everyone else is saying. By trying to pass on the blame to another party, you're just neglecting your faults, which is what people are trying to get you to acknowledge.

What we need is a genuine "guys, we messed up. I'm sorry." We don't need to drag other people into an argument, especially when they were the ones who brought a MASSIVE ISSUE to your attention in the first place. Supposedly, they're writing an "apology" for Tumblr right now- but, apparently it's been 5 pages of writing without crimson even being mentioned. Let's see how that goes. I'll bet it won't be well.