Hi I am stupid anon. Idk what the prior anon was talking about but I just saw someone rb ur post like “every single time ace inclusionists bring up radfems to make a point about how ~evil~ lgbt people” and it confused me :)
To clarify before I answer: THIS IS NOT AN INVITATION FOR DISCOURSE. MESSAGE ME OFF ANON OR BUY ME SHIT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS FURTHER. This bit is not aimed at you, anon, but anyone else who sees this and wants to get rowdy
So, a lot of LGBT people do not believe that cisgender straight ace/aro people or Cisgender aroace people belong in the LGBT community.
A big "rebuttal" to that exclusion is to compare LGBT people excluding cishets to Cis women excluding trans women from LGBT spaces (although a lot of people group Cis LGB people excluding Trans people from LGBT spaces with this, even though that's not necessarily radical feminism... but these people have no grasp of what radical feminism is, so they lob that term that everything even vaguely related to gender or sexuality).
This is offensive on many fronts.
To begin, no, LGBT people excluding their oppressors is not comparable to Cis women excluding people they oppress. In fact, ti's the opposite.
Secondly, there are trans women who believe in excluding cishet aces/aros and cis aroaces. Calling them TERFs makes literally no sense.
And, finally, this ignores the heavy influence radical feminism has had in the early asexual movement. Radical feminist Lisa Orlando wrote the Asexual Manifesto. Anti-sexuality, asexuality, and political lesbianism were all heavily tangled into each other.
The picture on the right is often used to "prove" aces have always been included in the LGBT community under the presumption this was an LGBT meeting writing down "asexual" as an included identity.
When this was actually a radfem meeting. With the picture published in a radfem publication.
This isn't to say all aces are radfems or that radical feminist and asexuality cannot be separated. Just that this is a taint on ace history (the same way radical feminism and general transphobia/transmisogyny is a taint within the LGBT community and the feminist movement and a lot of other communities) and that trying to weaponize accusations of radical feminism or trans exlcusion against LGBT people in defense of cishets is WOEFULLY inappropriate in light of said history.
People defending aces rarely acknowledge this very, very dark aspect of early ace history (because the ace movement is VERY new, even if the identity or hints of it are not). Which makes it clear that they are using transmisogyny as a bludgeon to attack people they disagree with without considering how this actually affects trans women.
That is transmisogynistic in and of itself.
Trans women and their mistreatment by other women and by LGBT people are not tokens for discourse.
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