Bjork speaking up about dudes getting credit for everything
Pitchfork: When it was originally misreported that Vulnicura was produced by Arca, instead of co-produced by you and Arca, it reminded me of the Joni Mitchell quote from the height of her fame about how whichever man was in the room with her got credit for her genius.
Bjork: Yeah, I didnāt want to talk about that kind of thing for 10 years, but then I thought, āYouāre a coward if you donāt stand up. Not for you, but for women. Say something.ā So around 2006, I put something on my website where I cleared something up, because itād been online so many times that it was becoming a fact. It wasnāt just one journalist getting it wrong, everybody was getting it wrong. Iāve done music for, what, 30 years? Iāve been in the studio since I was 11; Alejandro had never done an album when I worked with him. He wanted to putting something on his own Twitter, just to say itās co-produced. I said, āNo, weāre never going to win this battle. Letās just leave it.ā But he insisted. Iāve sometimes thought about releasing a map of all my albums and just making it clear who did what. But it always comes across as so defensive that, like, itās pathetic. I could obviously talk about this for a long time. [laughs]
Pitchfork: The world has a difficult time with the female auteur.
Bjork: I have nothing against Kanye West. Help me with thisāIām not dissing himāthis is about how people talk about him. With the last album he did, he got all the best beatmakers on the planet at the time to make beats for him. A lot of the time, he wasnāt even there. Yet no one would question his authorship for a second. If whatever Iām saying to you now helps women, Iām up for saying it. For example, I did 80% of the beats on Vespertine and it took me three years to work on that album, because it was all microbeatsāit was like doing a huge embroidery piece. Matmos came in the last two weeks and added percussion on top of the songs, but they didnāt do any of the main parts, and they are credited everywhere as having done the whole album. [Matmosā] Drew [Daniel] is a close friend of mine, and in every single interview he did, he corrected it. And they donāt even listen to him. It really is strange.
Pitchfork: How does it make you feel when this happens now?
Bjork: I have to sayāI got a feeling I am going to win in the long run, but I want to be part of the zeitgeist, too. I want to support young girls who are in their 20s now and tell them: Youāre not just imagining things. Itās tough. Everything that a guy says once, you have to say five times. Girls now are also faced with different problems. Iāve been guilty of one thing: After being the only girl in bands for 10 years, I learnedāthe hard wayāthat if I was going to get my ideas through, I was going to have to pretend that theyāmenāhad the ideas. I became really good at this and I donāt even notice it myself. I donāt really have an ego. Iām not that bothered. I just want the whole thing to be good. And Iām not saying one bad thing about the guys who were with me in the bands, because theyāre all amazing and creative, and theyāre doing incredible things now. But I come from a generation where that was the only way to get things done. So I have to play stupid and just do everything with five times the amount of energy, and then it will come through.
When people donāt credit me for the stuff Iāve done, itās for several reasons. Iām going to get very methodical now! [laughs] One! I learned what a lot of women have to do is make the guys in the room think it was their idea, and then you back them up. Two! I spend 80% of the writing process of my albums on my own. I write the melodies. Iām by the computer. I edit a lot. That for me is very solitary. I donāt want to be photographed when Iām doing that. I donāt invite people around. The 20% of the album process when I bring in the string orchestras, the extras, thatās documented more. Thatās the side people see. When I met M.I.A., she was moaning about this, and I told her, āJust photograph yourself in front of the mixing desk in the studio, and people will go, āOh, OK! A woman with a tool, like a man with a guitar.āā Not that Iāve done that much myself, but sometimes youāre better at giving people advice than doing it yourself. I remember seeing a photo of Missy Elliott at the mixing desk in the studio and being like, a-ha!
Itās a lot of what people see. During a show, because there are people onstage doing the other bits, Iām just a singer. For example, I asked Matmos to play all the beats for the Vespertine tour, so maybe thatās kind of understandable that people think they made them. So maybe itās not all sexist evil. [laughs] But itās an ongoing battle. I hope it doesnāt come across as too defensive, but it is the truth. I definitely can feel the third or fourth feminist wave in the air, so maybe this is a good time to open that Pandoraās box a little bit and air it out.
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