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FINE. I'll continue working on my Stranger Things Season 5 rewrite, I guess. Or I could do my dishes, or something.
Trying to make lore for the Upside Down make sense within Canon is extremely frustrating because the Russian storyline ruins everything 😭
After rewatching The Vanishing of Holly Wheeler for my rewrite, here are some of my thoughts, in no particular order:
It genuinely makes me sad that the terrible finale is all everyone is going to remember or care about from this season. Because, as much as I am currently nitpicking with my rewrite, there was actually so much potential and some pretty good scenes in Volume 1, such as the opener with the Demogorgon ripping through the Wheeler’s house. You know, except for the fact that Ted Wheeler somehow survived. We should have known from that point on that if they couldn’t commit to killing TED WHEELER, then no one was dying (El included, she didn’t die, what do you mean?).
- Speaking of El, I did not notice until rewatching how much they actually butchered El and Hopper’s relationship. El had no personality at all this season. And Hopper had to learn the same lesson five times about trusting her. We should of had a banger duo of El and Hopper kicking ass, but instead we got “strong-independent woman” El who didn't need no man, and Hopper who refused to just work as a team, and both trying to off themselves on different occasions.
- They don't sleep at all. I have a whole other post planned about how the timeline of this episode makes no freaking sense.
- Mike and Lucas start outside downtown Hawkins and ride their bikes toward the Wheeler house. El and Nancy travel by car, but they are coming from farther away from the radio station, which looks like it’s in the middle of nowhere. I can definitely see a world where Mike got there first.
- Did anyone notice in the hospital, while they’re rolling Karen and Ted into the hospital room, the nurses say Karen is forty-six and Ted is late forties. Even then they were trying to get rid of their age difference established in season 1.
- The fact that Mike and Will don't have a single interaction this episode, with Mike's parents dying in the hospital, even if it would have been over the walkie-talkie is DIABOLICAL. Completely mind blowing.
- Hopper told El that she needed to get out of the Upside Down because it wasn’t safe. But also, wasn’t he trying to get out of the Upside Down too? Also, Hopper knows how to bandage a wound. He’s fought in a war. He wouldn't be complaining that it stings like a child.
- So did the town of Hawkins know that the Wheelers were in the hospital and that Holly was taken? Will getting taken was a big deal in S1, with search parties and everything, but I guess because of the military, no one knew about it?
- How did Will know who Derek was? I'm assuming maybe he came across him if he accompanied Mike to pick Holly up from school. I know he’s from a rich family in the town, but I don’t expect Will to know who every elementary schooler in the town is.
- Does Will remember his time in the Upside Down? He tells Joyce that he knows what it’s like to be stuck in the Upside Down, so canonically we are meant to assume that he remembers everything?
- If they have been doing crawls for 18 months, Joyce should know that the little red light on the radio is always on. They played it off like she was stupid for some reason.
Is anyone else still reeling from the fact that after episode 2, no one ever goes back to the Wheeler house. NO ONE EVER GOES BACK TO THE WHEELER HOUSE. The Season takes place over 3 days and they change clothes multiple times and there is not ONE SCENE of anyone going back to the Wheeler house. The ANGST POTENTIAL.
The further into my re-write that I get, the more I'm like "Wow, it's really hard to handle 20 different character's emotional arcs, make sure its a coherent plot, and wrap up all the questions and plot holes left behind. If only I had a professional writing team, 2 years to finish a script, and backing my a major studio with millions of dollars." Oh wait...
I'm laughing so hard. He's just a little guy 😂
I have finally finished re-writing Episode 1 of my Season 5 rewrite. I have SO many ideas for Volume 2, but you gotta start building from the ground up. I think I'm going to finish Episode 2 first before posting on AO3.
The goal of this chapter is to help bridge the gap between Seasons 4 and 5, start building more characterization for the characters that were left to the side (Example: MIKE), set up foundations for the rest of the changes, and actually show apocalyptic Hawkins.
Please see the below excerpt (I have never done anything like this before, please go easy on me):
The morning continues as shown. Holly sees Mr. Whatsit in the window. Although vaguely blurry, outside is gloomy, with gray and black clouds covering the sky, as if it is constantly about to start downpouring. There is a light fog hovering above the ground, still obvious that it is early morning. Karen encourages Holly to “Round up the troops!” Everyone collects at the breakfast table. It is loud and noisy, and Ted never gets his bacon. The group is rushing out of the house.
Nancy declares, “Be back at 5:00 or 6:00. Let me know if you need me to pick up anything.”
Nancy rushes out the door before Karen is able to call out. Karen helps Holly with her jacket, gives her a kiss, and catches Mike by the arm before he rushes out the door. “Don’t forget it’s ration day. I need you to stop by the distribution center to pick up our food for the week after you pick Holly up from school. Don’t let them give you any trouble, make sure they give you enough for eight people.”
Mike is already nodding his head, annoyed, “Alright, alright, Mom. I got it, I know.” He waves goodbye and quickly follows Holly out the door. Joyce, who got behind after fixing up the kitchen a little bit, slips her hand between the door and wall, right before it closes and turns to Karen.
“I am so sorry I can’t do more. I am already running late for the volunteer center.”
“It’s okay, Joyce, really. I...understand.”
* * *
Mike, Will, and Holly are hopping onto their bicycles.
“The Morning Squawk, Mike, we’re gonna miss it!”
Mike turns on the radio. Around their necks are neck gaiters, in varying colors (Will-yellow, Mike-blue, Holly-purple. The colors are muted and the fabric is peeling, showing that these have been well used), which they almost simultaneously pull up over their noses and mouths before pedaling away. The camera pulls further away and we can see why. The sky is completely covered by swirling clouds of varying shades of gray and black, constantly moving, constantly rolling as if angry. If you look closer, there is a slight red tint. Spores hover in the air like in the Upside Down. Not as many, but enough to be concerning. “Good morning, Hawkins, this is WSQK the Squawk.”
Nancy and Jonathan in the car.
“It’s looking like a regular day in Hawkins. Forty-Five degrees, a little gloomy. A little overcast.”
The WSQK van in-front of the WSQK station.
“But, if you can believe it, a low chance of rain, medium chance of arrest, and a high chance of helicopters.”
Mike glances down at the radio, then quickly over at Will, before looking away.
Flashback:
Mike is pushed roughly into a chair in an interrogation room. His hair is longer, like at the end of Season 4. Officer Callahan stands before him with his arms crossed. Chief Powell is beside him, leaning forward on the table, and slams onto the table the picture of Hellfire Club with all the members, including Dustin, Lucas, Eddie, and Mike.
“What the hell is your guys’ problem?! I was in California for the last week. What do I have to do with anything?”
Officer Callahan scoffs. “You’re telling me that all your friends are running around with a murderer who's a part of your little Hellfire Club and you’re sitting here telling me you have no knowledge...of any of it. You’re completely in the dark.”
Mike takes a deep breath, but he doesn’t look away. He is not intimidated, certainly not by them. “I. Was. In. California.”
“ ----That’s convenient!” Powell interrupts.
“I know you talked to my parents. I know you harassed my friends. I don’t know what shitty police work you guys have been up to since Hopper died, but Eddie Munson wasn’t a murderer. I don’t know what level of incompetence you have to be to think a group of teenagers that play a FANTASY role playing game murdered three people and were somehow connected to and caused an earthquake to tear apart our town in the span of a week, but I think you need to reevaluate your career choices. And I’m a minor, you pieces of shit.”
Powell and Callahan glance at each other. Callahan begins, “We may not have knowledge of whatever Satanic rituals you guys get up to in your spare time,”
Mike jumps out of his seat “Satanic!”
“Sit down you little---!”
The door to the room flies open, and in walks Lt. Colonel Jack Sullivan. Two other officers follow him into the room and stand behind him at guard. “Gentlemen, I think that is enough. We’ll take things from here.”
Chief Powell does not look happy. “Who the hell are you? We were in the middle of something.”
“I am Lt. Colonel Jack Sullivan. And we are under orders from the United States Government to take this town under military command. For the protection of its citizens, and for the protection of everyone outside of this town, we are instituting a quarantine until the cause of the destruction and mysterious air particles can be determined.”
“Quarantine! We’re still investigating multiple homicides and hundreds of people are now homeless,” Callahan protests.
“This is our town,” Powell continues, “And---”
“No sirs, this is our town now. You are relieved of your duties. Your services to this town are no longer needed. We will take it from here.”
End Flashback. Mike continues to ride his bike and the radio continues. A helicopter flies over the three of them as they pedal on to school.
“But general banality aside, it's an exciting day for me, your friend, entertainer, and DJ, Robin Buckley. Nice to meet you!...AKA Rockin' Robin. And why is it a big day for me, you ask? Well, it's my 500th broadcast. Yeah, you heard that right, folks. Five-double-O! Which means it's been even longer since you've heard the sultry voice of Jimmy "Fast Hands" Lee. But while Jimmy was fleeing Hawkins even faster than he moves those hands, yours truly was watching slack-jawed as the earth split open beneath her feet and coughed up that tsunami of mysterious dandruff.”
Back to Mike, Flashback:
Mike stands with his hands in his pockets, glancing briefly at Will and Eleven, who stand together beside him, holding hands. He notices the slight tear tracks on both of their faces, but doesn’t say anything. They are outside of Hopper’s cabin in the woods. Before them all is Jonathan, who is in the process of hugging Argyle.
“Are you sure you don’t want to fly home?” Jonathan asks Argyle as he pulls back from the hug.”
“Nah, man, I gotta get the van back. You know how those pizza bosses be, man.”
Jonathan chuckles. “Right, right. I just want to make sure you get back safely.”
Will lets go of Eleven’s hand and steps up to give Argyle a hug. “We’re going to miss you, Argyle. Thank you for everything. And I don’t just mean the week long drive into the dessert. I’m going to miss our drives to school. I don’t know if we could have done it without you.”
Eleven gives Argyle a hug next. “Thank you, Argyle. I will never forget you.”
“Ah, no problem little Byers. Plus,” Argyle leans in towards WIll and Eleven and grabs them by the shoulders, one hand on each, “I gotta couple bags of those mushrooms. Those are gonna sell up the wazoo back at Surfer Boy. My dudes, something tells me you twins are gonna get up to more trouble here than anything I’ll run into driving back home. You’re gonna need some back up.” From his pocket, Argyle pulls out a couple rounds of purple palm tree delight and places them in the top pocket of Will’s buttoned shirt.
Will and Eleven glance at each other and laugh. Argyle slowly backs away, and he glances behind them at Mike, who is standing awkwardly in the background. He gives Argyle an awkward wave goodbye.
Jonathan slams the door to the pizza van shut, and turns to Argyle for the last time. “You better head out, buddy. You’re going to hit traffic going out of town, and they’re closing the gates tonight. No more in, no more out after 8 p.m.”
While Argyle and Jonathan exchange a couple last words, Mike turns around and walks back into the cabin. He is briefly startled by noise blaring from the TV that is standing alone in the newly cleaned living room. The static goes in and out before the channel settles on the news station.
“There may still be a hole in the roof, but at least the TV is working. Dustin for the win, man,” Mike mumbles to himself. The pizza van drives away and Will, Eleven, and Jonathan, walk into the house. They all stand there and watch the TV:
“Please stand by for a message from our Mayor.....” The TV screen shows the town’s new mayor after Mayor Klein, standing before a podium. “Citizens of Hawkins. I know that we are all in desperate need for some answers for the horrors that have befallen our small town. There is nothing that we can do to make the happenings of the past couple weeks any better. We all must weather this storm together. We all must move forward. Tonight, the miliary are closing the gate around Hawkins, and quarantine will be officially initiated. We are also issuing a curfew. Every person, adult and child, must be in their homes, with the doors locked by 8:00 p.m. every night. No exceptions will be authorized. Any outings from your home should be severally limited. Once the military has set up their zones and medical centers, more information will be given.
Hawkins Elementary, Middle, and High School will remain closed for the foreseeable future, and will continue to be help centers for those in need. This decision will be re-evaluated in a couple months, when the new school semester would begin....”
The Mayor continues on in his update, but Mike begins to tune it out. “How are we going to get around town with the air being toxic, the military everywhere, and a curfew? It’s already hard enough to get around as it is.”
Before anyone can respond, Hopper walks into the cabin, with Joyce close behind him, with a shovel in hand.
End Flashback:
“And now, I'm stuck here with you, my fellow quarantine compatriots. And if I can be brutally honest, I couldn't be happier. Because when you really think about it, why would you want to live anywhere else? I mean, what town on Earth can match our very impressive military-to-civilian ratio? And those free, mandatory medical checkups? I mean, very cool. 'Cause after we inhaled those springtime snowflakes, who knows what's wrong with us?”
Will, Mike, and Holly ride up to a military truck that is blocking the road. Behind the truck is a large, blue tent. Military men surround the tent while people with white lab coats direct the line of people into the tent one by one. Just over the top of the incline of the road, you can barely see the roof of the schools. They are almost there.
I am in the process of doing my Season 5 re-write and I can't decide if I still want Nancy and Jonathan to breakup. On one hand I think the way they went about Nancy's independent arc was stupid and they forgot to give Jonathan a personality besides fighting with Steve. Their relationship was so much more than a trauma bond. They had differences in financial classes that could have been explored more, and Jonathan could bring out Nancy's soft side where she doesn't have a be a one-woman army and planner all the time.
On the other hand, So much of their young lives revolved around trying to survive atrocities that they didn't know who they were outside of that. They did have problems that they couldn't seem to work out. I could definitely see them breaking up and then getting back together later down the line.
Any thoughts on if you think their breakup was in line with their characters would be greatly appreciated!
Did you agree with Jancy breaking up?
Yes, I agree with them breaking up.
No, I think they should have stayed together.
CONCEPT:
It wasn't Kali that casted the Jane illusion when she "died", it was Will.
IMAGINE:
We know that Kali and Jane have subsections of Henry's powers. Jane has telekinesis and Kali has mind manipulation. Who do we know that "is" Vecna? That's right...Will.
Imagine they actually put the time into expanding upon Will's powers. We already see him be able to enter Vecna's mind and break his limbs. He's already half way there.
Imagine maybe that Will shows up and saves the group at the hospital, instead of Karen. He shows up and pushes the Demo dogs away with telekinesis, like Jane in S2. Will tried to break them form the Hive Mind, they end up running away, after recognizing Will as one of them
Imagine Kali, Jane, and Will actually sit down and talk about their powers. Kali described what happens when she uses her mind manipulation.
Imagine in the finale battle, Will uses these powers to "Vecna" Henry, and that's how we see Vecna's memories and Patty gets introduced.
Maybe it's not an 18 month timeskip, maybe it's only a month or two. Because for it to work, everyone had to believe she was dead. We see them all playing D&D and Mike gives his theory to everyone that Jane survived. That Kali was alive long enough.
But Will speaks up. Hopper told them all that Kali had died. But she wasn't the only one with powers. With the Kryptonite blaring, Jane wouldn't have been able to pull Mike into the void. But Vecna wasn't affected by the speakers ....and neither was Will. We see a flashback of Will overhearing Kali and Jane talking. He understands their plan.
We see the flashback of Will walking up to Jane later. "There's another way. Maybe it's true that you can't live a life here. But the entire world is out there...and no one has to know. We can do it. Together" They make the plan together. Will prepares a bag with her birth certificate, money, clothes. They knew Joyce and Hopper wouldn't stay in Hawkins. And one day, they would leave. And one day Jane would be able to meet them where they are, always outside of Hawkins. No one else would have to know.
You know what, I'm not done complaining.
- You're telling me there was an 18 MONTH time skip between season 4 and season 5 wherein they were supposedly living in a military quarantined Hawkins and Murray could basically bring in whatever they wanted, and no learned how to use a gun. Why was Nancy the only one who could shoot? Hopper didn't teach any of them? Why did Mike have to ask for one? They should have all been carrying weapons when they weren't at school, at all times.
- You're telling me they made a point to show the military could use, and there still were traffic cameras in Hawkins, but the Military Access Control Zone didn't have cameras? You're telling me there was not one security camera that showed Vecna showing up and murdering everyone at the base? Hmmm....maybe it's not the 16 year old girl murdering everybody.
what's all this then?
5 days to ST5! byler at prom dancing in the privacy of their old AV club room
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The Duffer Brothers will really never be able to go to a Con or Panel again, which I think is really funny:
"Yes, Matt or Ross, I'd just like to ask, what did you think of 1,000s of people hating the finale of the show that you worked on for 10 years so much because of the amount of plot holes that they made a theory that there was a secret 9th episode and then crashed Netflix"
So I finally started my rewrite of Season 5, and I began with rewatching Episode 1 today. This is the first time I have rewatched it since the finale aired. As someone who genuinely enjoyed Volume 1, it really surprised me by the amount of things that were never explained/never came around again. I'd like to think #conformitygate, but basically just bad writing:
- In the first five minutes, we see a young Will in the Upside Down. In the process of running away from the demogorgan, Will leaves his backpack in a tree. This backpack is never seen again (I would have assumed it was supposed to be relevant later).
- Vecna tells Will, "Now we can begin.". Begin what? Was Will taken just to cough up slugs?
- The military shoots a random girl in the woods with no explanation. We never find out who that woman was or why she was dressed just like El.
- When we are introduced to Dr. K, she tells the guy who she is talking to "Sergeant, please tell your commander that I am running out of options here. Innocent people are dying. I need the girl". After the finale we know that her plan was to restart project MK Ultra. This line makes no sense. Is this just the lie she told the government to be able to still go after El? Who is supposedly dying? If it's the citizens of Hawkins from the spores and stuff, then we never see any of it.
- What exactly are the military burns for? Is it only to open the large gate in the library? I thought the Upside Down was bleeding into Hawkins. Shouldn't there be more vines...everywhere.
- They make mention of the large shipment being delivered to the Upside Down, giving Hopper two hours to search Sector G1. What was the large shipment of, what was it for, and why did the demogorgan attack the truck before moving on to the Wheeler house.
- There was no reason for Hopper to get shot in the back of the truck. Sure, it sparks a conversation between him and EL in the next episode, but he is not affected by it, nor is it mentioned again throughout the rest of the season. Not even to Joyce.
I am going to try to fix these things in my rewrite, but they're very interesting.
I wonder how Paramount is feeling with the amount of backlash regarding the Stranger Things Finale. I wonder if the deal is officially signed with the Duffer Brothers? They must have in order for them to say anything, right?
99 problems and it doesn't even touch on Mike's character or the love triangles. How was it just so bad.
Someone tell me what the point of this was, because Will wasn't even really a part of the final fight. Was the show being about Will in the room with us?