“Helen was born from an egg so if you care about accuracy she’d be a swan” GREEK PPL EXIST GREEK ACTRESSES EXIST THEY ARENT SOME FANTASY RACE THAT YOU CAN REPLACE WITH ANYONE THEYRE A REAL PPL WHO HAD THEIR CULTURE APPROPRIATED BY ANGLOPHONES FOR LITERAL CENTURIES STOP ACTING LIKE ACCURATE CASTING IS A BIG ASK!
“Black ppl existed in Ancient Greece” YOURE RIGHT THEY DO!! ANDROMEDA, THE DANAIDS AND THEIR DESCENDANTS ARE AN EXAMPLE SO WHY NOT CAST BLACK GREEK ACTORS?? BC THEY DO EXIST DID YOU KNOW THAT? THE COUNTRY OF GREECE STILL EXISTS AND HAS AFRICANS LIVING THERE DID YOU KNOW THAT???
I thought gregor was okay with Tara ? Is that not the case?
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Oh boy, no 🥲
This (Batman and the Outsiders #1, August 1983) is literally the first—and, as far as I can remember, only—time Gregor ever mentions Tara.
In a single sentence, he manages to:
1) Call her a freak;
2) Refuse to acknowledge her as his sister.
Not exactly "World's Best Brother" material.
My personal theory as to why (besides Tara being the living proof that his father cheated on his mother) is this:
Tara used to bury Gregor in the sand at the beach.
(...in a landlocked country)
Don't believe me? Here's proof:
Now, we do need to make a distinction here, because DC continuity is held together with duct tape, prayer, and editorial optimism.
The Mainstream Universes that we've had are:
- Earth-One (Pre-Crisis, 1945–1985)
- New Earth (Post-Crisis, 1985–2011)
- Prime Earth (Post-Flashpoint, 2011–present)
What I'm talking about applies to Earth-One and New Earth, where the Markovs are basically the same (unlike Jason Todd's backstory which is completely different pre and post Crisis).
In Prime Earth, Gregor appears to have been promoted to "collective hallucination". He's never mentioned, never shown, and may or may not exist.
This is also more or less what happens in the Teen Titans 2003 cartoon continuity, where Brion technically exists in the tie-in comics, but Gregor? Gregor who?
But that's not all that we have!
There's also Young Justice (Earth-16, if I'm remembering correctly), where Gregor finally appears in mainstream media.
In that continuity, Tara is a legitimate Markov rather than the king's illegitimate daughter, and the sibling dynamic is much warmer.
We even get a hug between all three siblings and this miracle of modern television:
Yes. Gregor and Tara being nice to each other. I was shocked too, this really is a miracle.
And by the end of season 3, Tara goes through trial and is released into Gregor's custody, while Brion declares himself King of Markovia after killing Baron Bedlam in what's probably the most brutal on-screen death ever shown in a cartoon directed at teenagers.
So, to answer the question:
Young Justice Gregor? Pretty okay with Tara.
Comic Gregor? The evidence is... not encouraging.
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It looks like the guy on the right is responding, in complete and utter awe, to how touchy Dinah and Babs are. “There’s no explanation for this”, he says, dumbfounded. He is shocked. He is, possibly, more than a little worried.
Why he would need a quarantine outfit to witness this only makes it funnier.
Both Orestes and Telemachus are descendants of Perseus and Andromeda, both men have complicated relationships with their mothers while Perseus does not, Andromeda on the other hand…
Oh and Iphigenia is also a descendant of Oerseus and Andromeda, which could mean nothing…
Clytemnestra defenders when you bring up that she killed Cassandra in cold blood, tried to kill Orestes (her own son) when he was a child that he had to get smuggled out of Mycenae and stripped Electra (her own daughter) of her status as princess and forced her to marry a poor farmer
"Today this war is finally over! I promised my uncle that I would restore the honor of the Fire Nation. And I will. The road ahead of us is challenging. A hundred years of fighting has left the world scarred and divided. But with the Avatar's help, we can get it back on the right path and begin a new era of love and peace."
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You are not the heaviness sitting inside of you. You are not the battlefield where the bodies fall, and you are not the sound of cannons breaking the sky open.
You are what happens after the war.
The surviving. The healing. The rebuilding.
-Y.Z., for the bad nights
For starters, Azula's mental health after the Agni Kai:
In my book, Azula in Avatar: The Last Airbender only suffered from one psychotic episode which is not permanent or a nervous breakdown. She does not suffer from any personality disorder which is something all armchair psychologists are obsessed with, because it's not essential to explain her behavior as they claim. She's not going act nor portrayed as a wild animal nor she's going to suffer from on-going insanity from there on out (which is a very ableist portrayal). After the Last Agni Kai, Azula went into a state of dissociation. Then after she regains her consciousness, she probably would suffer from hallucinations and something like PTSD or C-PTSD.
Azula's main crisis post-war:
She would suffer from identity crisis can only be solved through fidelity, theoretically.
Identify vs confusion was the central conflict which was revealed in the mirror scene. It's not only a normal conflic for a teenager during this phase, but for Azula it goes much deeper than that, because Azula as a Golden Child didn't develop a solid sense of self began with. Loss of sense of self is the main crisis the Golden Child has to face.
"Who Azula is?" has been one of the most discussed topics in the fandom for a decade and half, the answer is simple: even Azula doesn't know who she is.
Azula post-war has three options:
a) trying desperately to regain her old life or save it from crumbling completely (in which she could learn very bad lessons)
b) find a new goal and place in this world
c) give up, run away, disappear, die
There should be a resolution for this very critical, turning point in Azula's whole life.
The themes:
Convey the main themes of the show and connect her subplot into the world-building and the main plot. Themes of ATLA are: Balance and Change, the Fire Nation's war (in other words, the fall of Balance) and its affects even on its own people is bad. Post-War era: Love and Peace.
From a discussion:
#and yes the tragedy of her fall is that it's NOT hubris #it's not due to any of the 'seven deadly sins' that make up the tragic flaws #it's because she's a child who would be considered virtuous in a different context #was made to break #diligence and loyalty and filial piety and sharing glory... #those are all praise-worthy traits that got _twisted_ by an ideology she didn't get to choose #azula is a lesson in how even our good traits and actions can be bent towards bad ends (tags via @ ultranos)
"What does it mean for a society where someone so young and so gifted, who personifies everything the Fire Nation takes pride in, who is so inspiring and aspirational in so many ways, who has access to the best of all kinds of care available, has a massive nervous breakdown at fourteen years old? " -@ eshusplayground [source]
What are Azula's redeemable qualities:
I believe these two posts, illustrated pretty well Azula's redeeming qualities which we can expand on and mature.
Azula redemption and the fandom:
Even though I do not agree with the arc Aaron Ehasz laid out, my point here is the reaction his tweet thread received. I tracked it on Twitter thread and on Tumblr, it was overall successful. It received a lot of support over 80%, even by fans who don't like Azula or indifferent about her. It's considered more "good Avatar content".
But someone made a poll in Reddit asking the fandom is Azula should be redeemed or not: 60% answered with "no" for two different main reasons (one is that Azula is marked for irredeemability, the second wants her arc to remain a tragedy), while 40% answered with "yes". There is group in between afraid that she would become "boring" if she was redeemed. So after years, the fandom is divided.
How to make this "redemption" story congruous with ATLA therefore more receivable by the fandom:
Integrate Azula into ATLA themes more directly (Iroh's quotes, ATLA central massage, Guru Pathik's insight, and themes of the negative affects of the FN imperialism/expansionism) instead of heavily psychoanalysis her or make her a character from a different story who wandered in the wrong cartoon
Give Azula more "pat the dog" moments
Allow Azula to be a dynamic and a fully-rounded character.
Make a visual change in her appearance (different hairstyle, more teenager-looking appearance than a dragon lady, adult-looking one. In my take: Azula will change her name since she's not going to carry Azulon's legacy anymore, she also will have some white hair; the stress strain caused by her breakdown and losing her firebending naturally since her old world has fallen and she's disconnected from her father and nation; hed drive is lost)
Remind everyone that Azula is a child solider-teenager who needs a teacher not a jailer.
The start:
Azula's point of change
"I think you're confused. All your life you used fear to control people, like your friends Mai and Ty Lee."
"Well what choice do I have?!"
Azula is self-reflecting on her behavior here and she does not like the way she acted. She knows she hurts her friends and she hates it. She always looked 'pleased' but never once 'enjoyed' it. Deep down I believe she always felt guilty. She hates to be that person. It hurts to be that "monster".
Azula said it's because she has no other choice. The next stage for Azula is to offer her another choice, a different path to live, a chance (no it's not the second).
Azula shows capacity to change her approach to things, even if they're shallow and stupid.
Conclusion:
This is a show with goals of peace and harmony and a theme of change. It's central message is that anyone is capable of great good and great evil. Azula reflects these themes and messages as well.
I have to remind everyone that Azula has no casualties during her participation in war, which is good thing to start over a new leaf.
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