This scale is almost entirely based off of what Alt Calliope says in her internal fight with Jade in Hs2. Paraphrased it was: Witches are more similar to Muses than Sylphs.
And while, yes, this isn’t canon territory anymore. Andrew Hussie has some final say over distinct aspects of the new releases. IE: The name of Yiffany unfortunately. We may never know exactly what details are truer canon than others. That doesn’t mean we can’t still use them for theory crafting.
For further explanation please read under the cut!
So moving on.
To start! Lords and Muses stand as our ‘official’ definition of their Activeness. Lords being most. Muses least. At least that’s one agreed upon sentiment in the community at large.
Considering what we know to be ‘Active’ behavior, this new scale makes no sense. So we have to reconsider what marks the distinction between Classes. Specifically what makes Sylphs more like Lords than Muses.
I suggest that it is a power scale. Those with more power and say over other classes go higher up on this scale. Power is a subjective ideal in this instance. And speaks more of the Classes ability to get others to serve their purposes, or in nicer words: their ability to get others to help them out.
This creates a precedent of leaders and the people that serve them.
Just for a placeholder and reference we have the
Pages. These guys are often referenced as one of the most powerful Classes. Second to presumably Muses as they are often put on the same side of Passivity. Except that isn’t how this scale works.
This Class knows little to no hands on methods. It is probably the most carried Class in all of Sburb, and if we weren’t setting the precedent of Lord being the most Active Class... I would put Page above Lord :T That said. It is hard to chose which Class gives to others as much as the Page asks of others. But just for how flimsy of a Class it is, it earns an honorary placeholder spot in the conversation as most Active Class under Lords. Gasp.
Then after that
I feel like the easiest way to understand Classes is to look at the Dancestors. Whose whole existences revolve around creating plotholes and making things needlessly complicated.
But either way, I found a pattern.
You have...
Gamzee and Cronus as Bards
Eridan and Kurloz as Princes
Flipped classes right?
Terezi and Kankri as Seers
Karkat and Latula as Knights
These four also flip, though much more subtle!
These 8 are true reversals. A lot of parallels can be drawn between these pairs of Classes and they stand on their own from the rest of the scale in this way.
It’s the other 16 that get ring rounded a bit :T
Tavros and Horuss as Pages
Nepeta and Rufioh as Rogues
Sollux and Meulin as Mages
Equius and Mituna as Heirs
Each dancestor in the above lines gets lowered a rung below the og troll until you reach the end of the chart. Then it rounds back up with Horuss ending up higher up than Equius.
Kanaya and Aranea as Sylphs
Aradia and Porrim as Maids
Feferi and Damara as Witches
Vriska and Meenah as Thieves
Again we have the same occurrence with these ones between Vriska and Aranea. Everyone again gets lowered down the rung.
This pattern carries this theoretical scale so
After this point it is all basically up to personal taste. I have versions of this where if it weren’t for this pattern, I would have made Bards and Mages true opposites. These things can’t ever be 100% accurate.
Personally, I believe Heirs are true opposites to Pages. This sets more precedent to the pattern and sets Heirs as the most giving Class to counter balance the Page. Pretty fitting, all things considered.
If Heirs are true opposites to Pages, then based on the pattern, Thieves end up being the true opposite to Sylphs. Shocking and appalling. Also if there weren’t so many damn magic parallels for Sylphs and Witches, this would have been obvious.
Putting this together, we get:
Lord -> Page -> Sylph -> Thief -> Heir -> Muse
Understanding the rest takes a bit more liberty.
Before we can place the rest, we need to establish where the two pairs of true opposites go from the pattern. This is just a big personal opinion of mine.
Say I’m wrong. I just don’t believe that Bard and Prince are as extreme opposites as Seer and Knight. I also refuse to think that Knights are less giving than Thieves. If Knight gets put between Thief and Heir, then Seer gets placed between Page and Sylph. Then Bard and Prince are in the middle.
That’s how we get to:
Lord -> Page -> Seer -> Sylph -> Bard -> Prince -> Thief -> Knight -> Heir -> Muse
You’ll notice I keep Bard and Prince in the center of the scale for the rest of the time. This is purely because I find their differences to be so negligible that they make the most sense out of the true opposites to sit next to each other on the scale.
Bards lean Active by getting others to carry out their will and Princes lean Passive by setting their own destructive path. But either way, as Calliope says, they are still both destroyer classes at the end of the day. There isn’t much room in that definition for a different Class to go between them.
Then we can plug in the final four. Again if we believe the pattern and the order of opposites set by the Heir and Page. Then the Class above the other is more Active. You can go back and forth all day about which of these four is the most giving or who gets helped the most.
But idk if Hussie actually followed this pattern to make his own scale. And at this point? Why make it any more complicated than it already is damn.
So I just plugged the two from the first pair in as an Active pair and the other two opposites down as a Passive pair.
I also like that Mage and Bard still end up next to each other and so does Prince and Maid. These were other ‘true opposites’ that I had been playing with while theory crafting so it’s just pleasing that some things just work out.
I hope this helps or just. Makes any sense in general! Thanks for reading!
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