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I vote they just put the interactive introverts reaction on patreon for now
I don't have any problem with you expressing your opinions on dnp's content but the "I'm too old for this" angle makes me feel pretty shitty as a millennial post hl fan. I already deal with judgement from my friends for getting into The Cringe 2010s YouTube Guys with Crazy Teenage Fans and already feel so much older than the majority of the fandom. So when I do see people who are in their 30s and like dnp, but they're like "I guess I'm just too old for this new stuff" it makes me feel even more like I'm immature for even being here. I shouldn't have to feel that way about creators whose content has brought me so much joy and comfort recently. I haven't seen many phannies my age but if they're all judgemental of people who enjoy their "immature" new content then I guess there really is no place for me in this fandom.
hello anon! I will take this on board. I think, when I say I feel old. What I mean is, I associate content that is highly edited with shorter attention spans. And I correlate shorter attention spans with a younger audience. I also see that highly edited content can appeal to any age demographic and does not necessarily mean that dnp are trying to cater to shorter and shorter attention spans.
This is just a change I have noticed recently, alongside they propensity for tiktok edits, which I have just never been on. Again, I associate tiktok with a younger audience.
I think the content has grown up with us to a point. The content (on main) now feels like dnp doesn't trust us.
The twilight video did feel like it was for the millennial audience, and I loved that!
I am never speaking for a whole group and if you're into the new content, then power to you!
I feel like it's hit and miss, the phatreon has been more up my street and the newer experimental videos (like the testing temu products) and the podcast has been less up my street.
Hope that makes sense anon and thank you for your message.
Ps I don't think phannies are immature if they do like the content I don't enjoy much. Ultimately it's different strokes for different folks.
And that is ok!
okay so I thought I was alone in my unhinged/unpopular dnp opinions but maybe they're more mainstream than I thought.
Basically, thanks for all the messages with spicy takes. Please keep it critical, respectful and not hateful.
Keep the hot takes a'comin
this is such a small thing but it seriously rubbed me the wrong way that, in the midst of global heatwaves and serious climate crisis effects (even having dan the weatherman say it's sweltering) but they still make jokes about wearing jumpers and cranking the aircon full blast
it's a minor thing but disappointing for two people who usually are pretty on top of these sorts of issues
I have many opinions about this.
Okay so, dnp are public left wing figures, so it is easy to hold them to a standard regarding ethical practices.
I think a lot of the phantom are vegan, queer, fiscally left and probably socialist. A lot of us care deeply about the environment and dnp have echoed this (thinking about vegan Dan in COVID times). So it is natural to be disappointed when these people joke about aircon and wearing jumpers when most of the UK are struggling.
So two things are true, dnp are rich celebrities so they will just be out of touch, probably privileged in a way that we are not and they will fuck up because of this.
AND climate change is the result of conglomerate, large multinational private companies who do not care about human kind, nature, or the world.
So yes, hold celebrities to a standard, but also it's not their fault and the real enemies are always going to be the besos' of the world.
I don't mind dnp joking about aircon tbh, it is a bit out of touch but not as bad as taylor swift and her private plane debacle.
Dnp are left wing and use their platform for a lot of good, which is more than enough imo.
Thanks for the message anon - hope this reply was alright - even though we don't necessarily agree!
I stopped watching the phod. Haven't seen anything post birthday, with the exception of the phukbang. I haven't felt compelled to, I don't feel like I'm missing out. The new tour seems weird right now and the fact that their transparency era is toying with the truth (like telling us the pinof kiss didn't happen only to BOMBSHELL drop it in the phukbang) makes everything else feel inauthentic. They're within their rights to do whatever they want, but it all feels likes like they want to surprise for the sake of surprising.
yeah I think I'm close to stopping watching. I am still giving it a go because I'm doing the definition of insanity... Doing the same activity and expecting different results.
I was also confused why say on the pod that a kiss didn't happen when it did. Maybe it was an adjustment period after hard launching, they still weren't used to telling the truth about being together.
I think they have been trained so much to lie and be in the closet. Which, tbf, is shit. I came out at 24, so can relate slightly, but was obviously never on such a public platform. And even my coming out was a practice in living my truth (to put it as Dip said). And when you've trained straightness into your head for so long it's hard to undo.
Hopefully dnp will feel less and less inclined to lie and hopefully their content will reflect this.
Thanks for the message anon!!!
ok hot take (maybe) but podcast content is slop. I know its not in terms of production, cost, the studio etc (which honestly makes it a little worse) but it is in terms of content FOR ME. On the other hand I feel guilty because I really wanted a podcast, but I was hoping for another stereo show, not this. They definitely put on more of a persona for the podcast which my little parasocial autistic self hates, but I feel like I also can't be entitled to the completely unmasked, more vulnerable dnp all the time.
Ooof anon. That is a hot take. But ultimately I agree with the sentiment. Thank you for sharing. (I also really wanted a podcast and feel a little guilty it's not quite hitting that mark for me)
Hello! i just found your account and i can say i love it so much. People giving their opinions about dnp’s new content is so interesting to see from older phannies.
I’m 18 and i’ve been watching since 2015-2016. I feel so young compared to older phannies.
My hot take i guess, is i really enjoyed the videos when they go outside to do activities (like the anniversary video) more than the podcast. It’s so fun they are doing things outside and it’s my favorite type of videos from the new era (and gaming and muckbang too)
The podcast is also good and i enjoy it. Some episodes are amazing (like this week’s episode ) but others don’t hit the same. I think it’s the gen z slang and i’m saying this while being a late gen z. I also like the patreon segments a lot too. But i really wish it was longer than 15 minutes since the podcast itself is so fast paced. And i love the genuine chats they have on the patreon too.
Another thing i wanna talk about is being black or poc phannie. I saw a tiktok saying how rare it was for black or poc to be in fandom spaces and being a black phannie myself that is so true.
Once again, love your page <3
Thank you anon! This is a very kind message!
Poc phannies rise up!!! There are loads of us here, I think it can seem like we're few and far between but we definitely exist haha. I also think it can alter the way we see two white male creators and their content.
We might have a different perspective to white people in the phandom, and that is ok!
I also love the anniversary video, mukbang and gaming (more so than the pod). I appreciate that the anniversary video probably took so much time, but they did say they planned an activity for every London borough. So, hopefully that means it might not be the last we see of that content.
The patreon bonus yap is always better than the main pod imo! You can visibly see the difference in authenticity when they let their guard down a little.
For example the segment when they just explained what they got from a food shop order - that was such delicious content!
15 mins does feel short for the yap, and I think the pod is just very short in general. I usually listen to pods that last 2 hours.
Thank you again for the kind words and for the dnp opinions.
Hi I’m the anon from before. Honestly sometimes the excessive innuendoes make me cringe. Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but I’ve heard others talk about it, as well. I’m not a prude and I’m so happy that they feel comfortable with their sexuality, but sometimes it just feels performative to me?? It gets repetitive and I feel like they’re just constantly thinking of ways to make things sound sexual bc that’s what they think their audience wants. Idk it’s just very overly sexual for me. Maybe that’s just my problem, though.
Hello anon! Thank you for messaging. I think this is an unpopular opinion. But it is welcome here!
They have always been very innuendo heavy with their content. It has gotten a bit heavier recently.
I also, am not a prude, but sometimes question: if I heard another creator joke about saying pussy so much, would I find that funny?
I think dnp have cemented themselves so much as left, socialist feminists that we don't question it as much.
If you find it to be too much anon, that is ok!
Personally, there are times when I enjoy the innuendo and there are times when I don't.
Recently they said "stop otherwise I will kick your dick up the wall" and I think the penny dropped with how ridiculous that sounds when we're talking about men!
As a neurospicy individual, it can be a trait that I struggle with, where I'm constantly interrupting with inappropriate jokes. Only to realised that I've not listened at all to the person I'm talking to! I do see that with dnp.
But yeah, overall, I don't mind it. But thanks for the spicy take anon!
I really like your blog youre very well spoken and talk about things really deeply
Maybe my thoughts will be a bit different being a teenage post hard launch phannie but I do agree with a lot of your anons that newer content has felt more produced and commercial??? I don't think thats the right word but you know what i mean, less just chill and low pressure and authentic.
But i feel like noones considering that maybe thats just what they want to do?
Like noone is saying wad was the best stand up comedy show ever and dan is one of the best stand up comedians with basically no practice before but he's not claiming that! I can't say I laughed out loud too much but it made me smile and was a nice thing to watch, brought comfort and happiness to people and maybe was just something he wanted to do! God forbid a guy go do something he wants to and has the means to!!
Maybe this more sort of more produced content is what theyve wanted to get into for some time or like in the phuckbang they said dan and phil is too comfortable and they want to go do some side quests, and even though I agree i like more chill low stakes content more, I think they should do what they want and don't have to do what their audience wants forever, which is more content 'like their old content'
Even as someone who agrees and likes that stuff way more, people grow and change and yeah it can be sad to miss what they made before, but maybe they just don't want to continue making cozy chill content forever
Idk guys and sorry this is really long
Ps it feels so weird to be and to see people analysing them so much like what other creators are thought about so deeply in this way by their audience idk
Hello there teenage hl phannie! Welcome to the community, I hope it has been fun so far!
Yes, their content has been more produced. And we are definitely analysing it as a community. I hope my blog never comes across as demanding different content from dnp. It is more of a place for discussion.
I personally feel like the relationship with their audience has been parasocial on both sides. They are one of the only creators who have interacted this heavily (and still do) with their audience. Phan twitter still gives access from the community to them but also vice versa.
Dnp have spoken about how detrimental this dynamic was to their mental wellbeing and not to speculate, but I think it makes sense that they want to separate themselves from their online selves and regain some privacy and boundaries.
A part of that was moving content creation away from their home. Which has led to the over production and clinical feeling content. I appreciate dnp are striking a work life balance and they should move forward in a way that suits their own creative endeavours and lifestyle.
I think there is a way to do that and still retain the cozy, comfort content. The pod could be in a studio, but the set could be more comfortable than thematic. The segments could be reduced, the editing of videos could be less frenetic.
If this is the direction of content, and they are happy with that, then obviously that is fine. It begs the philosophical question, which is a common theme with creator and audience... "Should you try to cater to the audience, or cater to your own creativity?"
I sometimes think dnp are trying to cater to the audience but they just don't know what their audience wants. Also, they have pivoted to try a mainstream angle which can be alienating for older viewers.
It is part and parcel with change. It is ultimately ok, but it is interesting as an audience to navigate.
Not to mention this has come at the same time as their hard launch. Which should be the most free and authentic time, so seeing less authenticity can be disheartening.
I think it's key to remember that privacy and authenticity are not mutually exclusive. Meaning you can have them both together.
Sorry this is very long now!
But I appreciate you and your opinions anon!!!
I'm finally watching the visuals for this weeks podcast (Ive had a busy week) and I have few things to say
1. I lowkey prefer the set with most of the light up stuff (like the hl sign and the lava lamp) switched off 💀 it doesn't hurt my eyes as much and honestly I think the sign stands out better this way instead of being neon purple on neon purple on neon purple
2. I think Phil must have the patience of a saint because if I was doing a podcast with someone that interrupted every other sentence I spoke I would have had a major crash out long before reaching episode 35
Obviously we don't know their personal dynamic and I'm sure if Dan's interruptions truly did upset Phil he would've said so by now but damn if watching dan sing the internet is here over the top of Phil trying to thank us/conclude the episode at the end wasn't frustrating 😭
Here to respond to any type of dnp hot take. But anon - respectfully - I don't know if I agree with you on this one.
Dnp's dynamic in this way has been spoken about to the nth degree within the phandom. "Dan interrupting Phil, Dan not letting Phil speak, Phil must be so patient etc etc..."
Ultimately, like you said, their personal dynamic is not for us. They show us their entertaining selves, a slight alter ego. They have called it "Dan and Phil - the online personalities."
The phodcast has many faults and sometimes their flow in the pod is stop start. But their dynamic with each other and whether or not they find what each do acceptable is up to them.
I've never found it to be an issue or something to criticise.
But thank you for your respectful hot take anon. They are always welcome here.
So a bit of background about the interviewer. He's gay, Phil's age, and while Dan and Phil were doing pinof, he was in the press pool for Parliament.
This is not his regular beat. And while I'm sure there are many things he could talk to Dan and Phil about that would lead to a great conversation with him where he asked interesting and thoughtful quesitons, he was SO out of his depth here.
why did they seem sooo stressed in this interview 😭 they're answering such different questions than the ones being asked it's like watching them play a word association game but with a pack of wild animals chasing them
LOLL bc they’d rather post a sex tape on onlyfans than actually say they make bunch of money 😭😭 but also honestly i feel like they have pretty like boilerplate answers to questions and now that phan is #confirmed they’re getting asked slightly different questions but still trying to use their boilerplate answers and it doesn’t always line up. or they have to pivot and don’t think about what they’re saying like why did dan compare their dating to the earth being flat 😭💀 basically their media training is outdated and they need to come up with new answers to repeat every interview 💔
Do we all know about this extra wdapteo tidbit from the Rize after the first one and do we all feel as insane about "and you want it with me? yee" as I do
gays do maths!
See I'm conflicted. Been here since 2009. Pre-dan. Lol. So I've witnessed this entire bloody saga from the from row 1 for half my life, and they both seem genuinely the happiest and most authentic versions of themselves I've ever seen on every non pod upload post the hard launch.
But the pod itself does feel.... Clinical? The edits are crazy they jump so fast topic to topic, there is no natural, authentic conversation.
I think a big problem is 30ish mins or 45mins on patreon version just isn't enough time for a podcast to have natural ebs and flows of conversations with authenticity, even if start to finish was just chatting.
And it's not just chatting they overload it with segments so to me it feels like dan especially has this list of things they need to tick off, so they drop micro conversations inbetween then jump back into some other pre planned segment and sigh I dunno man...
I watch every episode. It's still a fun time. But I do not feel how I do with any bonus patreon or regular YouTube videos from them aka Philm club, mukbang, even reacts, they all feel so much more REAL
But i love that they do seem genuinely happy and I'm so proud of them. Coming from day one when we assumed this new guy was phils bf to them getting more popular and effectively trying to to rewrite history and go deeper I'm the closest... Seeing the lightness they carry since the hard launch literally can bring me to tears lol
I just miss my boys being silly playing games, chatting enjoying each other's company without every moment needing to be a highly curated and edited performance piece
Being here since 2009 is crazy business.
And yes to the pod feeling clinical - a podcast is ultimately a different medium to a YouTube video and so has a different vibe. A podcast is something you put on and go about your day as well as sitting down to watch.
I am craving a more conversational tone as well, less frenetic and more authentic. (Which doesn't more less private, they could literally just talk about their opinions on apples in an authentic way.)
It's 45 mins which includes: cold open, here's the thing, sponsors, Richard, hard launch from the audience, beat of the week.
A lot of bloat and the segments don't necessarily lead to more conversation.
I also miss gaming content but I'm sure they'll do more once the tour means they aren't able to do manufactured content as much with time constraints!
I appreciate your blog. I’m feeling a bit old in the phandom these days, even though I’m only 27. Sometimes I feel out of place with all these post hl phannies. It’s hard cause I love them dearly, I’ve been such a close stan for 14 years, and I hate the fact they make me cringe sometimes. Like I probably wouldn’t watch their new content if I hadn’t been in the Phandom for so long. Sometimes when I watch them I feel like I’m clinging on to my teen years like a bit of an age regression thing.
It’s a really on and off feeling though. Like I really enjoyed today’s podcast a lot and I didn’t cringe, but I cringed a bit during last week’s podcast. The truth is I have such a strong parasocial bond with them that the cringe isn’t enough to make me stop watching them. So I’m stuck in this weird limbo where most of their content still brings me so much joy and I just love seeing their faces, but then they say something that just makes me wince.
I’m meeting them for the first time ever in September and I am beyond excited. I’m sure when I see their faces in real life, all my criticism towards them will just go out the window and I’ll just be in awe of their presence, being able to hug them and speak to them after all these years.
Thanks for the message anon. I am feeling old in the phandom as well! I would love to see the statistics on how many people are over 25 or over 30. I bet it's more than we think!
I also love watching them for the cosy nostalgic aspect, it feels akin to watching old episodes of avatar the last airbender and then watching the new live action remake with hope, but ultimately it isn't the same.
The pod is fine sometimes and sometimes it's not the best - I think most people in the phandom would agree it's hit and miss!
What kinds of things are making you wince?
Hope you have the best time on the tour anon x
fun fact: if you don't enjoy the pod you don't have to watch it! so weird to feel like you have the right to dictate what they make to meet your needs (saying that you don't like the way they talk is not criticism it's just disdain)
I will take this on board anon. I agree, critiquing the slang they use probably wasn't fair. But I do think dnp talking in the same way about the same thing in different bits of content is fair to criticise.
In the patreon bonus yap this week, when they started singing interactive introverts, even they knew it had been done before.
Phil has even spoken about "the fear" that he's told a story more than once. (Which does happen).
I don't hate this but I do observe it and it seems dnp also try to make an effort not to repeat stuff.
Tbh it's not that deep and my main criticism of the new era is that it's not for me but I will try give it a chance and listen to the pod because I care.
I appreciate the effort and care that has gone into the podcast and the main thing is that dnp are now free to be honest and not hide their relationship. Which is the most beaut thing!
But yeah the slang they use is fine and I am a grumpy old person sometimes who doesn't like gen alpha slang!
Also just to be clear I was *not* talking about the queer slang they use - OBVIOUSLY THAT IS MORE THAN OK. (I am queer poc and have adopted many phrases from ballroom culture etc)