Like, Iām not going to get into the nitty gritty re: gamergate BUT I will take this as opportunity to talk about this whole ādonāt align yourself with movements that have bad historiesā thing, b/c itās super common, and also super impossible!
I mean, b/c it really is! It doesnāt matter what your movement or political position is, there is no actually morally sound movement that did not start with having some bad intentions in it.
Like, feminism is one of those really ubiquitous movements, but even THAT began with white women wanting the vote b/c they were WHITE women, not because they were women. The 1910 Suffragettes very clearly argued in favor of keeping the vote racially segregated, and the only reason there was a lot of push-back against the movement was b/c the old white dudes KNEW that if they let white women have the vote, then theyād have to let black men have it, too. And then black women, and the Chinese, and then the savages! Where would it end???? And even after getting the vote, Suffragettes voted in favor of segregation, and some were known for filing false rape accusations against black men, in order to ~prove~ that black people didnāt deserve their rights.
And even after two major reforms, feminism STILL hasnāt really address its race problem, plays the No True Scotsman fallacy regarding TERFs (instead of addressing how TERFs spawned specifically BECAUSE of feminist vagina=woman rhetoric, including the entire ātrans woman=man=rapist in bathrooms logic that is STILL a big problem), and the moment you mention political lesbians itās all ~thatās their identity~.
But hey, letās move away from feminism for a moment, right? How about Civil Rights? Well during that whole 1960s pre-LGBT scene, many LGBT POC didnāt go to the bars or w/e b/c of community backlash. So much of the Civil Rights movement was built upon highly religious community strength, which was great for getting people to band together against racism, but it also made it EXTREMELY FRIGHTENING for LGBT POC who, unlike the whites, didnāt have the luxury of getting along without community. But here we are in 2015, and now itās all āWHITE CIS GAYS ON GRINDR ARE WHY THERE ARE NO POCā like wow great accountability there!
And to round it off, why not the LGBT scene? Which was, as we all know, originally just the Gay Straight Alliance scene, b/c trans rhetoric is FANTASTICALLY new. So for the longest time it was GSA, then LGBA, then LGBTA, then LGBT, then LGB, then no wait LGBT, and now MONOSEXISM UR PRIVILEGED IF GAY EVIL CIS GAYS OPPRESS BI PPL and ASEXUAL IS MOST OPPRESSED and I AM CUPIOGENDER DEMIRAISINSEXUAL MY PRONOUNS ARE BUR/BURG/BURGER FUCK U DOWN WITH CIS LOL.
Like, this whole ādonāt associate with morally bad groupsā is impossible, b/c EVERY group is morally bad to some degree. The only difference comes down to how itās presented. You wouldnāt know that feminism spawned from the same type of white nationalism that gamergate supposedly did, b/c feminism is presented as Womenās Liberation, thanks ENTIRELY to great PR and favorable news coverage. I mean, feminists will still lament over the occasional feminazi trope on TV, but they have some of the best coverage of any liberation or equal rights group out there, like 100% letās be real, yāknow?
Likewise, the only reason gamergate is known for having spawned from white nationalism and jaded ex-boyfriend, is b/c games media (who was gamergateās main target, despite everything else) presented it that way. The reason you view Eronās post as ~dirty laundry~ and not calling out an emotionally abusive spouse (which many people who have been victims of abuse confirm is the base context of the post) is b/c it fit the gamergate=sexist narrative that sites like Kotaku exploited to discredit it. You donāt hear about how Zoe wanted to stop pressing charges on Eron so she could charge him in a different state, with more broad definitions of harassment. You donāt hear about how this happened IMMEDIATELY after she confessed to literally cyber stalking him, and how she tried to use her stalking him as evidence of him harassing her. You donāt hear that.
And even then, letās look at the anti-GG side. Nobody talks about how Brianna Wu got fucking dogpiled by her supposed allies, who used transphobic and sexist pejoratives, b/c she had the gall to have coffee with Brad Wardell. Nobody talks about how SHE had to apologize for THEM harassing her. And how about the current defense squad for Sarah Nyeberg, who (at the age of 20) sexually harassed minors online, posted child porn, and even posted images of her own cousin? And letās not forget about Zoe āIām an expert on online harassmentā Quinn, who doxxed minors for lulz on Helldump just a scant THREE YEARS AGO, and only stopped b/c SomethingAwful Forums (the place 4chan got its memes from) had more moral sensibilities than she did and closed Helldump down after a young girl allegedly committed suicide b/c of Quinn and other Helldump denizens. Or Leigh Alexander, who bragged about beating up a black woman? Or the entirety of the game journos who gleefully posted Lol Wimmenz Amirite? articles back in 2012, and now act like theyāre not at fault for w/e gaming culture is.
Itās impossible to not be associated with something morally repugnant. So itās just so funny to me that ādisassociate urself from X groupā is the go-to response, when those same people are willing to overlook the same shit in their own group b/c ~itās different~.
What Iām getting at is that yāall are more alike than you are different, so any advice you give GG is advice that also applies to you. As such, I would suggest either ditching that arguing tactic, or at least practicing what you preach. B/c I mean, if youāre going to excuse the bad shit in your group/s, then why lecture others for doing the same, yāknow?