i'm flame/fenrir (either is fine), and i'm officially a disaster ao3 author. multi-fandom on this blog, i post anything and everything from the fandoms i'm in.
law and lit double major, so expect gross amounts of character study, thematic analysis yada yada. and terrible humor, because i think i'm funny. probably.
i'm flamefenrir2003 here if you wanna go check out my fics!
Hiiii quick questions so why did nezu add fireworks to the training camp? It just feels unnecessary. Also what would have happened if one of the buttons they were carrying just broke cause they fell? Did they not think about clumsy people? And another question. Why wont shuya just write down everything she remembers from her past live so that she doesnt forget it? I mean someone could find it and stuff but i think its better than forgetting everything. And ic shuya is the mc or atleast is turning into obe, what will happen with midoriya? Does shuya have any other close relationships with characters in mha other than toshi?? Or is everyone just a classmate to her? And about the whole medical thing, why wont shuya try to become a doctor to fix these thjngs cause she was a med student in her??? Anyway i have a lot more questions but i think i got too carried away rn so im sorry if its too much.
omg, i didn't even realize i didn't respond to this! don't apologize for being curious!
to answer your questions:
nedzu didn't add the fireworks, shuya did. the first was from the heroes to shuya/those on the ground (so the nedzu shaped firework) to signal that they were entering the field to capture the villains. the second was shuya's to the hero team (so the crude all might one) to signal exactly where the most dangerous villains were aka dabi and twice.
the people carrying the buttons were only the hero team on standby, the u.a staff running the camp (so eraser, vlad king and nedzu remotely), the wild, wild pussy cats and shuya! so essentially people who were in on the plan! so uh, very low likelihood of literal professionals being clumsy.
so shuya isn't actually forgetting BNHA plot; just her past which is actively being rewritten instead! furthermore, she was only a casual BNHA watcher ages ago, so her OG BNHA knowledge is limited, mostly fandom driven (hence all the BakuDeku, Dad-For-One references etc.).
she could write stuff down, but her initial knowledge is flawed, the one w/ her quirk is probablistic so not 100% accurate, and finally she's just realized that ever her quirk's probabilities are being rewritten/fucked over in real time by the Plot. who's the say the Plot won't just 'correct' whatever she writes down? girlie is too paranoid, haha.
as for shuya turning into the main character versus izuku, that's the fun part about the story going forward! our girl does NOT want to touch the anime-protagonist-trope with a ten foot pole. but thinking from the Plot's perspective, the easiest way to 'stabilize' things is to center the universe around her. nothing bad's gonna happen to our izuku though, just that he'll get the BNHA side character treatment (if you know you know).
for close relationships, you must understand that shuya has been acting out of paranoia for the last couple of arcs due to feeling betrayed. she does have close relationships with hitoshi and himiko right now. but don't worry, she's gonna develop closer friendships with a bunch of bnha characters later on. i've already hinted to it a bit in the latest chapter :)
the medical thing!! i'm so glad you asked that! let be known that shuya is going to do EXACTLY that -- fix it herself. but she can't do that right now, with a war over her head and the threat of the future. she doesn't want to be a hero, but acknowledges that its strategically the best place to manipulate the narrative, so she's relenting. i headcanon that post-BNHA, she'd just take her exams and graduate early, then enroll in med school :)
i hope that answered most of your questions! if you have anymore, don't hesitate to ask :))
When is Shuyas bday? I mean like is she ever going to celebrate it with erasermic and her friends in a bday special or is it never going to be brought up? I wanted to draw Shuya celebrating her birthday because my birthday is coming up and stuff but now that i think about it i have tons of questions. Did she teleport to MHA on the same date in both worlds so that her birthday is still on the same day or what? Also would you say she is 200 or 18? Does she even remember her birthday (cause yknow her backstory and stuff) or does she just celebrate the day she first appeared in this world? Sorry if i am writing a lot and stuff but this is something i have been thinking about ever since i first read this story
procrastinating on finishing the latest chapter (don't look at me pls)
*checks notes* yep, i've got our favorite gremlin's birthday down for november first. i haven't mentioned it until now because its going to be a major Plot point (heheh, did you see what i did there?) later on. as for the memory, you'll have to see ( ͥ° ÍĘ ÍĄÂ°)Â
i did move around the BNHA timeline a bit because frankly, its so wack. these kids are going through so much in such a short period of time that i'm surprised they study at all. like within a week of bakugo being saved (canon), they're in the new dorms??
we're currently uhh *checks notes again* around august 5th in the fic. the attack on the training camp was the 4th, shuya has ordered nedzu to stall for a week (longer than bakugo's kidnapping in canon), so that's gonna affect some things too.
anyways, given how absolutely AMAZING your art is i know i'm gonna die out of happiness if you do end up making it. actually, as thanks for the iteration you made, i'll tell ya this (and this is ANOTHER major plot point hehe): shuya arrived/woke up in BNHA on december 27th, right after christmas.
don't apologize for the rant! i love hearing from all of you, and its fun to drop lore this way too. most of it gets excluded otherwise. personally, i'd consider (and i'm sure shuya would too) her still 18 though for SURE shuya's gonna make a bunch of jokes about respecting one's elders and "back in my day--".
@flamefenrir2003 I made art of what i think shuya looks like. Might not be my best art but its surely something- I HOPE YALL LIKE IT!!! I forgot the glasses tho my first try at realism
An Archive of Our Own, a project of the
Organization for Transformative Works
Shouta realizes, with a distant clinical part of his mind, that he is crying.
He has not cried in front of anyone in years.
But as a single tear slips sideways into his hair, he stares up at the ceiling and, finally â finally â breaks.
i just reread the existing chapters of "what in the isekai" and every time i reread, i am just in awe of your writing. i am unfortunately a very impatient reader and will often find myself reading very fast and sort of just skimming through the information that is processing through my brain. however, every time i reread it, there's details that i will miss the first couple of times and its just asjdhfksjhdfj im just so excited to read it even though i know whats going to happen. whenever i find myself not knowing what to read, ill always come back to it. thank you for writing such an amazing work! i can tell a lot of time, effort, and thought went into it.
i am looking forward to the next chapter :) <3
aw, thank you so much for your kind words!
i'm so glad you liked this story enough to reread it (and catch onto some of the easter eggs i've hidden throughout). it's always fun hearing from readers who get hit with 20/20 vision hindsight, haha. been there done that!
i've been on a bit of a break because of university, but will be returning now that i've submitted my senior thesis! look forward to more chapters!
Just saw you reblog something on tumblr a long while ago and screamed internally thinking you were probably coming back but then remembered that youâre busy with school so youâre busy so just checking in to see if everything is ok.
Canât wait for when you do permanently come back so until then hope youâre doing well
hey!!
i'm sorry for going MIA on you! life was kicking my ass, so i've been just busy trying to survive it.
some good news: i have submitted my thesis!
this means more time devoted to shuya, and loads of shenanigans. thank you for constantly reaching out, trying make sure i'm okay! you're a complete sweetheart. here, have a new chapter as a gift!
Question - Iâm curious as to how much youâve thought much about how being 200 or so years into the future would affect the MHA world? In the context of an isekai. I remember you touched on how medicine was affected with Shuya which I found very fun, and I was wondering if you had any particular thoughts that might not fit into the flow of a fic :3
Itâs something Iâve lingered on waaaay longer than necessary, because I feel like there could be sooooo much to explore (thanks horikoshi for your âfuck it we ballâ worldbuilding)
Like, society became stagnant and we see that the MHA world probably had some mildly dystopian shit going on for a while until things got under control. How bad it was is definitely up to interpretation, but imo from we see from AFOâs era it looked quite purge-esque? So I canât help but wonder about how bad it got. How much got destroyed that explains that long period of stagnation. Kinda funny to imagine 2 centuries of fire and distant screaming and then suddenly âomg all might đĽşâ
Eg. How many libraries and data centres and things of that nature got wrecked because people suddenly had the abilities necessary to do it without having to disassemble microwaves or whatever. Theyâre pissed at a company, they can make metal melt with their mind, 2+2=4. Have fun dealing with that, AWS! One pissed off customer could spell the end of your entire business if you didnât adapt quick enough! What other sort of institutions probably got targeted, and how many of them would be able to recover? Is ao3 still safe? Is it chugging along? Could a showâs fanfiction outlast the existence of the original media itself? (Does hero fanfiction exist? how many reader x hawks fics could there be, canonically. asking for a friend.)
Also, how many old songs and other media are completely lost digitally. If I got isekaiâd and I had to hunt for my favourite songs in obscure forums, IâdâŚ. cry. whilst hunting, obvs. How much history is just completely wrong because information got warped over time and records are kind of shaky? Does anyone know what 6-7 means anymore? Did we ever???
Your mention of chatgpt in one chapter also reminded me of this - of course it would struggle to exist, because the information it could get probably imploded! I can 100% see a little vigilante group tracking down ai data centres and sending them to the shadow realm. Repeatedly.
Iâm also lowkey imagining some company popping back like a roach each time its locations get wrecked. Like âok guys this time the backup servers are in my grandmaâs fallout bunker. we should be good.â Amazon becomes Pamazon becomes Parmazan or something equally ridiculous. Twitter, then X, then Y, then Z, then Twitter again. None of them need to rebrand but some idiot suggest it so less people will be mad at them. It somehow works. They canât progress because theyâre busy trying to figure out how to keep their locations either as secret or as protected as possible, because before heroes are common, you canât guarantee regular measures would work. I feel it could definitely could play into why super strict quirk laws exist, and why heroes are so invested into.
All this also leads me to personally headcanon that Camie Utsushimi is actually the MHA-world equivalent of like⌠a kid obsessed with the 80s or something. Girl watches Dan and Phil. Dan and Phil have been dead for 200 years.
(Of course all this all from a more generic worldbuilding POV and is not taking into account the existence of The Plotâ˘ď¸ in ur fic. and of course, its partner, Convenienceâ˘ď¸. I do still think itâs hilarious that Horikoshi set it in the future for convenience and then did not elaborate At All. like u go king give us nothing đĽ)
Aaaalso also: loving the mineta talk in the recent chapter :) I do think misogyny in hero society was very disappointingly executed in canon, especially with how it could have fit its into the later arcs imo. Like - heroes are insanely commodified, and even more larger than life than famous actors and musicians and such. We see the populace dehumanise heroes Hard during the whole downfall of Japan, and they show how easy it is for them to forget theyâre human too. Even to Deku!! A literal child!!!! And tbh Iâve no doubt that female heroes suffer from a lot of the same treatment that current female celebrities do. Mineta probably sees them more like action figures and sexy posters than he does actual people, and imo heâs gotta realise that before he ever starts to feel remorse and improve. Cause yeah, boys can grow out of behaviour like that, but only if theyâre taught to. The Magical Fairy of Sexual Ethics does not pop in for a visit upon turning 18.
Ngl, in general my assumption would be that psychology and various mental fields probably took a much bigger hit that was a lot harder to recover from. I canât explain exactly why because I am nowhere near actually educated enough to explain it, but call it a gut feeling
I am deeply sorry for this word vomit. I had to put these thoughts Somewhere or else Iâd go into a feedback loop and fry my own brain. an unfavourable outcome. you absolutely do Not have to respond to everything I mentioned (or at all!!)
Iâve literally felt grief comparable to learning about the Burning of the Library of Alexandria (as all literature majors do) when I think about how much information wouldâve been lost due to the rise of quirks. But thatâs a tragedy for another day.
Buckle in. Iâm activating my law + lit nerdâ˘.
From a Societal Standpoint:
Okay, first things first: the dystopian / purge bit.
Historically speaking, sudden change of any kind equals public uncertainty, paranoia, andâif you give it five minutesârioting. And that rioting usually goes one of two ways.
Either itâs aimed upward, at institutions of power (the government, law enforcement, the state), or itâs aimed sideways, at groups on the same social level who can be turned into a convenient scapegoat. Different religions, ethnicities, races, sexualities, etc.
Now, humans are inherently social creatures. We are hardwired to seek community because it increases our chances of survival. But the existence of a âcommunityâ automatically implies an outside. An âother.â Something that does not fit the perceived norm and therefore becomes a problem.
And humans, historically, are very bad at handling things they donât understand. They instinctively reject it immediately.
Now when you throw in quirks, it gets really bad really fast.
People are suddenly manifesting superpowers with no warning, no explanation, and absolutely no quality control. Some are harmless. Some are dangerous. Some fundamentally break the rules of what a human body is supposed to be capable of.
Naturally, fear compounds fast. You get rejection, then escalation, then violence. Itâs basically the mutant discrimination plot from X-Men, except thereâs no narrative framing to soften it and no Professor X giving speeches about coexistence.
Imma veer off a bit into public order here.
From what I know, Japanese police officers are armed, but firearm use is strongly discouraged compared toâcoughâthe US. But even then, what is a gun going to do against an augmentation quirk? Or someone who can melt metal, punch through concrete, or level a street by sneezing wrong?
(I know that according to the quirk doomsday theory, the first generation of quirks must have been weak, but call bullshit because All For One literally exists??)
Anyways, so now you have people in power who canât meaningfully enforce the law, and a public that suddenly has the ability to enact violence on a scale that used to be impossible. The social order as it exists just stops working.
In political theory, this is the point where things get worse. Historically, either the military steps in and declares martial law (which tends to cause even more chaos), or the governmentâdemocratic or otherwiseâbecomes increasingly aggressive in âpreventativeâ measures to maintain control.
And those measures almost always involve appealing to the majority by legally and systemically othering a minority. Or making them public enemy one, pinning the blame of everyone's misfortune on them. Think along the lines of the Holocaust, Ahmadi treatment in Pakistan, or the Rohingya Crisis.
So yeah. This is Tiny Flameâs âX-Men purge subplotâ theory, now revised with grown-up Flameâs extra seasoning.
But that theory misses something important.
From a Biological Perspective:
Insert nifty transition here *jazz hands*
Because hereâs the thing Horikoshi very kindly chose to ignore after the Glowing Baby bit: human evolution does not work like this.
Biological change takes millennia. Even under extreme selective pressure, species-wide adaptation is slow, messy, and incremental. There have been a couple of studies popping up recently about the effects of rapid accessible information on the human brain (basically brainrot and the internet), but nothing concrete yet.
Anyways, the evolution of quirks in MHA completely ignores this rule!
I'm not sure just how seriously Horikoshi wanted us to take the Quirk Doomsday Theory, but it presumes that quirks compound across generations to become stronger. And that the human body is evolving, yeah, but not fast enough to accommodate that level of nonsense all of a sudden.
My bit is that damn, what was the X-factor that led to some poor woman giving birth to a glowing baby out of nowhere?
Tiny Flameâs original crack theory was that the BNHA world had finally reached WW3: Nuclear Editionâ˘, and the resulting radiation just gave people a very funky type of cancer that caused rapid cell mutation and expression.
Is this scientifically sound? Absolutely not. Am I a biology major? Also no. But conceptually, it explains the speed at which quirks appear far better than âand then it just happened.â
My theory is that for the first century or so, people faced high mortality rates, since scientific and medical advancements were not adapted yet to accommodate the complications of more inconvenient quirks. Like, can you imagine Thirteen's Blackhole going rampant upon its first manifestation? Or just even ATTEMPTING to give birth to the Windex-Head dude?
Medical science would not have been ready for this. At all.
Doctors today are trained to treat human bodies that operate within certain biological expectations. But quirks would have blown that baseline apart.
Suddenly they'd have had an explosion of bodily diversity with absolutely zero standardization. Horikoshi does touch on this briefly with Detneratâbodies that require specialized equipment, tailored infrastructure, entire support industries just to exist comfortablyâbut scale that up to a civilization-wide level and it becomes a logistical nightmare.
How do you even specialize in medicine when âhumanâ no longer means the same thing from patient to patient?
Now, to be fair, when social order collapses, new frameworks do eventually emerge. It would take decadesâmaybe longer because of the riotingâbut theoretically, the system would start to stabilize.
That is, if you don't include the Deus Ex Machina that is healing quirks.
I could go into the intricacies of healing quirks but the bottom line is this: why pour resources into slow, painstaking biological research when someone can just undo the injury? Or rewind tissue, regenerate organs or even stitch bones back together in seconds?
Of course, healing quirks wouldn't eliminate the need for medicine, but they absolutely short-circuit its development. The key point of distinction here is that instead of medicine advancing evenly across the board, it would have started advancing around healing quirks.
Trauma care would have become about stabilizing someone long enough to get them to a quirk healer. Surgical techniques would adapt to work with quirk intervention rather than independently. Hospitals would be designed assuming a healer is part of the equationâeven if one isnât always available.
And that has consequences.
Fields that deal with immediate, visible harmâtrauma, emergency response, quirk-related injuriesâwould get prioritized because they'd synergize well with healing quirks. Fields that require long-term observation, consistency, and patience just wouldn't.
I'm jumping into psychology and mental health fields here.
That's not to say there wouldn't be progression: Shuya mentions how they have advanced, just not to the level they should be 200, almost 300 years in the future.
Also, the disparity in access to healthcare due to economic, geographical and physical barriers. It would have taken ages to train the first generation of quirk doctors (or doctors specializing in treating quirks etc.).
Horikoshi implies that the people with Meta Abilities were marginalized for a while, so you can imagine most knowledge remained at grassroots level for a long time. My current working headcanon is the HPSC being the former government agency created to hunt down Meta Ability users. It still does in BNHA, but instead monitors them and controls them in a different way.
By introducing the "hero"
From a Technological Perspective:
Another nifty transition oof.
So I tried combing through the manga, but couldn't pinpoint the exact moment or why the hero profession was legitimized. Just like you, it wacky to me that there was so much dystopian vibes until All Might pops in.
Yep, Yagi, who is like 60 at most during canon events. I suppose you could argue the immense shift in society is testament to his impact, but this doesn't happen so suddenly. We know that Gran Torino and Shimura Nana were licensed heroes at the time, so I'd put the estimate that pro-hero profession got codified around the time of Lariat (the Fifth OFA user) since his wiki explicitly states him to be a pro-hero. Chronologically, I'd put it around 80-100 years after the Glowing Baby.
The reason why this is important is because this is the basis for most of my technological headcanons:
The internet survived, but barely. There are dead zones where entire decades of data was missing.
Yes, the government uses this to rewrite history as it suits them best. By namely toning down the level of atrocities faced by AND conducted by (because both things can be true) by Meta Ability users at the time.
So if we go with Tiny Flame's WW3: Nuclear Edition⢠theory then a lot of media, data and history would have already been lost to the war. Throw quirks in, and essentially all history pre-quirks is nearly lost.
Some classics survive, mostly from countries that handled the rise of quirks better than the rest. Not because of good policy, but because of resources. So mostly first-world countries. Others get their histories completely wiped out safe for fragments or word-of-mouth accounts.
Loads of references to now archaic literature, discourse and history online. But no primary sources that can be found.
Even today, Japan is still a mostly paper-based documentation system, so you can assume most of those were lost in the rioting.
And yep, ao3 still exists (and so does fanfiction) because there is NOTHING stopping the rabid fans lolol. Also, media has a strange way of bonding people together in trying times.
Yoichi and his hero comics case in point.
On a more serious note, I'm thinking hero comics would directly inspire the creation of the pro-hero profession, but would go into obscurity when the fantasy became "reality".
Probably started off in the USA just cause people do be nerds.
You'll still have Marvel and DC, but they get quickly overtaken by comics about the current, real heroes. Especially when the system becomes more solidified and begins to commodify heroes as 'products'.
But that happens much later, and ONLY once All Might enters the game and issues the era of peace. Society was too volatile before to really focus on consumerism.
They had to do a Dr. Stone rebuilding/relearning from scratch bit. Society essentially got reset, so it took a while to get back to the same standard of living and technology before.
With the rise and popularity of pro-heroes, this shifted societal focus to developing AROUND the profession too. So advancements, mechanical etc. are made in relation to it.
Software engineering, coding etc. takes a backseat since during the early days, trade jobs with physical skills (plumbing, construction etc.) were more valuable.
Only for the first bit though - with the rise of so many unique quirks, manual labor would become less valuable soon. Hence the situation with Ochako's parents' company.
That doesn't mean it didn't progress either, just that AI isn't a thing, and that with human physiology evolving with quirks, a lot of development was focused on adjusting to that.
So basically support tech > consumer tech.
Cybersecurity would have been shit as a result, unless its for big corporations like U.A. or the government. Physical security would matter more since otherwise villains can literally just burn down a building or something.
It's only around the time of All Might when scientific and technological advancements begin skyrocketing. I think the first world countries like the USA bounced back faster than Japan (because of AFO).
Oof, that's all that comes into mind right now. Still quite a bit generalized across a bunch of stuff, but I can do more targeted yapping if you want.
And bestie, what word vomit? I'm so much worse than you.
I'm glad you liked the discourse about Mineta. Not only did he have potential for social commentary about hero society, but also, he's a kid. The way he acts and is responded to says more about the people (especially adults) around him that it does him. But that doesn't excuse individual responsibility either.
My bit is that both female and male pro-heroes are commodified and objectified. The closest real world representation would be rabid kpop fans with parasocial levels of obsession with their idols. And yep, if Directioners had their My-Mom-Sold-Me-TO-1D fics, then kids in BNHA are definitely gonna have their Oh-Hawks-My-Alpha and Mirko-Dom-Mommy fics too.
In fact, it'd be worse.
But of course, women would be easier targets due to historical precedence of objectification. The point here is that there are multiple types of objectification not limited to sexual. Why, I could even make a case for how the spread (and acceptance) of quirks led to the decline of LGBTQ discrimination. As the social "other" these two groups would have been grouped together the same way women (not TERFs oof) are with queer people and people of color!
Like, a kid comes out as trans to his parents nervously and they're like bestie, you have a WINDEX for a head, this is the last thing you should be worried about.
(Not to say discrimination does not happen, we see mutant discrimination in canon too. But like, some things become more normalized? Or do you think it'd be flipped and they'd be even MORE conservative?)
I could do a whole other post on how the kpop industry, and expectations perfect idol behavior could map onto the hero society in BNHA. But that's for another day.
Camie makes ABSOLUTE sense as someone obsessed with the "olden" days, which ironically, may make her and Shuya get along frighteningly well because she IS from the olden days.
And, your frustration is mine. Exactly, go king Horikoshi, give us nothing. It might've made more sense if there was a bit more a gap between canon and the rise of quirks, but like, still. For now, my personal headcanon is that BNHA is set a little over two hundred years from today.
Shuya's frustrations with education, medicine and technology makes more sense when you compare advancements in these fields between the 1800s to 2000s and then 2000s to 2200s. All with their own version of global catastrophe (the world wars) even though probably not the same level as quirks. But then again, quirks are generational, so for the first few decades they should not have theoretically made up more than 1% of the population. The roles between quirkless and quirked were literally reversed.
Eh, anyways.
Never apologize for these thoughts! I'm the same as you, and needed a good couple of days to characterize these thoughts as best I could without giving that one conspiracy Pepe Silvia meme.