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I think saying that Valentino is being woobified is not…the correct word. Vox, and the way a lot of the fandom downplays his villainy into something more palatable for them by making him a victim and then overemphasizing that victimhood while downplaying his antagonism, is being woobified. On the other hand what’s happening to Valentino is not that.
Both the show (and large parts of the fandom as a result) aren’t downplaying Valentino’s villainy and status as a rapist to make people feel sorry for him so that they’re more comfortable with liking his character. The way Valentino is presented as by the narrative is as this complete fucking moron with anger issues who has zero tact or impulse control; the audience is supposed to point and laugh at Val any time he is not directly (and I do mean ‘directly’) interacting with Angel Dust, which in turn lessens his negative impact without technically just straight up erasing it or pretending it doesn’t exist, and makes him more comfortable to handle and for people to like (or even to dismiss and to hate in some cases).
That phenomenon is not him being turned into a woobie though, that’s him being infantilized; it’s infantilization. No amount of adding layers and nuance to a character (especially if those layers are properly tackled) is going to lessen the impact of a villains’ negative influence on a narrative like making the audience laugh at them more often than they grow apprehensive of them will, and that’s exactly what the show did.
IE: Depict the idea that Valentino is a joke and (outside of his interactions with Angel) he’s practically harmless.
How I see it the show is simultaneously asking the audience ‘how bad could he really be, he’s such an idiot?’ and then showing us exactly how bad Valentino could be and expecting the us to just go back to laughing at him right afterwards now that the threat is not immediately in our faces anymore. EDIT: There’s also an implication - that parts of the fandom run with and the writers could maybe be actively showcasing - that Valentino is an undercover mastermind who’s actually smart, but the show itself doesn’t give enough hints at his “childishness” being an act he puts on for me to regard it as more than fans expanding upon the specs of Valentino’s character that they’ve been given to marry the two facets of his identity together and as more headcanon than canon.
With balance this doesn’t have to be an inherently bad thing, but I don’t feel that the show has that balance. Trying to soften the blow a depiction of a fictional rapist will likely have on an audience is not a horrible idea, but something about the way HH goes about it just doesn’t work for me and I cannot for the life of me directly articulate why. I feel the show just often misses the mark when it comes to deciding what about Val and the shit he does should be emphasized for comedic affect, what should be shown to the audience with relative neutrality, and when they should seriously emphasize him being a villain and a abuser/rapist.
From how I see it, Valentino needed more neutral scenes than he did comedic; for further understanding of my thought process his tantrum in “Radio Killed The Video Star” (s1ep2) is comedic (except for when he riles Vox up before the show goes right back to playing up Val’s anger for laughs), his inclusion and actions during the Vees’ meeting scene in s1ep2 is neutral (there’s subtle comedic elements to what he’s saying/doing but the audience isn’t meant to actively be laughing out loud or anything), and the scenes where he’s directly attacking angel (his meaner texts/voice messages to Angel, the dressing room scene in “Masquerade”, his appearances in “Poison”[♪], & when Val threatens then slaps Angel in “Welcom To Heaven”) are meant to showcase his menace without buffers. Less overtly comedic scenes would’ve just balanced him better I think, so there’s not this weird dichotomy of moments where Vox treats Valentino not like a non-threat but like a child having to be weighed against moments where Angel Dust is regarding Valentino like the Overlord is his personal boogieman who’s actually a threat to be taken seriously.
In general though, while some people do play up Valentino’s stupidity and incompetence in a bid to actively neutralize, undermine, or ignore his more violent tendencies for their own purposes (EDIT: sometimes for comedic value, sometimes to make him more palatable or more fun to play around with), the infantilization and further “dumbing down” of his character in fandom seems to mostly stem from an almost incessant need to make him as undesirable as possible even for a villain. It’s a phenomenon that I don’t really have a full explanation for, but for me it reads as a way to “diss” Valentino and the theoretical rapist that exists in many people’s heads that he represents. This isn’t a disavowing of that or anything either, it’s just something I’ve noticed that I don’t really have a name for but still find interesting.
I do think Valentino’s “dumbing down” in fandom has its drawbacks — making a character with such a medium level of influence like Valentino so stupid and impulsive he doesn’t even hide his crimes retroactively makes all the other characters around him seem uncharacteristically weaker for falling for him when he’s not even trying to hide how bad he is or how abusive he’d be, incompetent for not defeating him when he gets in their way even though some of these characters are both more powerful than him & not being manipulated by him, and uncaring since the characters he’s victimizing have someone who claims to care about them (or who’d at least have a vetted interest in the victim’s safety) that knows how bad Valentino is but just chooses not to do anything regardless as a result — but I’m pretty sure I understand where the desire comes from in general even if I personally don’t love it, so whatever.
Brought to you by me misconstruing the term “uwuify” with “woobify” so…..yeah. This post technically spawned from nothing but I did not want to put it to waste so here y’all go. This is kind of ordered wonky too, but fuck it.
Observing Adam
Where I go way too deep into something that probably isn't that deep. It's long, it's long as hell.
Okay, so you'd think with how Adam talks he's just a typical misogynist, right?
This man worships pussy. So much so, he's named a whole ass angel, one of his best, Vagina. You'd say that he objectifies them and thinks of them as being lesser, but I don't think that's the whole story. In fact, I think he might be the original simp.
Dude…
Some real analysis.
This bitch is askin the REAL questions, guys
I genuinely wanna know more about Vox's relationship to Angel. Him and Angel probably have the biggest ties to Valentino (Yes there's Velvette and I don't want to dismiss her but she's not with Val like how these two are) These are super small moments but I think it says quite a bit. Vox has probably seen Val treat Angel in both extremes: Domineering and just fucked up all around but also just completely fawning over him too (well more accurately love bombing) Regardless of how he treats Angel though, clearly Val's attention and focus is always gonna be on him. It'd make sense that he'd be irritated and jealous of Angel getting that attention, especially seeing those moments of lovebombing, like with Valentino giving Angel Fat Nuggets
He's probably used to Val practically ignoring him in favor of Angel. He's heard Val rant and rave about Angel so much he just checks his phone out of pure boredom hearing it again. Then he practically perks up and only focuses on the conversation when it sounds like Angel quit. Now in the song Poison, it's such an easy to miss moment but Vox practically goes on a face journey here:
It starts off with him and Val having a nice time, talking about...something. Then he notices Angel in the corner of his eye, his mood just seems to drop a little bit. He practically sighs in frustration. I can just see him sarcastically thinking "Oh great it's him." Valentino notices Angel too and Vox here almost looks resigned and irritated. He just knows whatever this moment they were having together is now over 'cause Val literally has his eyes set on Angel. This look he gives Valentino right before he leaves just kinda reads as "Seriously?!"
Like does he not like Angel or is he more frustrated at Val in this situation?
Has anyone seen these amazingly cute emoji's in the background during "Respectless" ?
Love them so much
Valentino animatic // Hazbin Hotel
I don't know guys it's pretty much canon to me, especially since the artist worked on the actual show and Vivzie has it on her playlist
Mfs were canon before the invention of the cannon in the 12th century
I don’t really subscribe to the idea that Valentino is more powerful than Vox - more outwardly aggressive sure, but those things aren’t synonymous.
It’s just— Vox is essentially all of capitalism banged into one competent mess of a man. In comparison Valentino only has dominion over a portion of what Vox does, and while I think all of the Vees feed off of one another, at the end of the day both Valentino and Velvette are still blanketed under Vox’s influence. They’re parts of his machine no matter that they have the most power within it over everyone but Vox himself.
I do think that from a certain “average sinner” perspective a lot of people would assume that Valentino is the main aggressor due to how publicly antagonistic he acts (because he usually is - and because Vox’s image can’t be too rough or else he won’t be able to gain the masses’ trust in order to manipulate them) but while Valentino physically domineers nearly every character we see or hear him come into contact with he’s only able to truly rile Vox up once, and it’s mentally. He also doesn’t dominate Vox when he sends him spiraling by dropping the news of Alastor being back the way he does, he only manipulates him. So Val is far from powerless in their dynamic but he’s not easily more powerful than Vox, he himself can barely pivot Vox’s priorities on his own without giving the overgrown tv outside incentive.
The Vees’ power dynamics and ingrained feedback loop is so interesting to me. I just wanna naw on it all day. Also want to point out that Valentino never dominates Velvette either; he does piss her off and he does pivot her slightly by proxy due to pivoting Vox, for one, but also by presumably forcing her to change up her show since he tore up her lead model just because he was in a mood.
I was watching reactions videos to the show again and fuck me, I completely forgot that not only Vox used Pentious to spy on the hotel, he also quite literally told him to kys when he was found out. Not before mocking him relentlessly for being found out. Like, this man literally told a man that, he brought the "lowest earners of the month" just so Valentino could shoot them, he took advantage of the panic over the extermination for some bullshit product that didn't even exist then (and probably still don´t) and I have no fucking doubt in my mind that every single Vox product is made to fail at the first years just so you have to keep buying more of it. I know that he is funny and ultimately he is more level headed than Valentino, but just by watching the show alone is very obvious that he IS a manipulative son of a bitch that will sell his own mother at the first chance he has. I am just really glad that he found someone just as awful as him, just in a different way, in Valentino because truly that is a blessing for the rest of hell lol
Ya know.
What IF Vox and Valentino don't "fight all the time"?
The evidence we have from the show does suggest Valentino is "hot-headed" but there's no implication of him being mad AT Vox; it's always one "w**re" or another. On the contrary, Vox is shown to be an effectively placatory presence for Valentino — "waiting for a flat-faced prince to calm him down".
Where tf do people get the idea that they fight, when it's actually Valentino being the "pissbaby" he is, throwing temper tantrums because he's too proud to just dial up Vox and ask him to hear him yap? Yes, I understand the pre-canon interpretations but people should really flush those down a drain now that the canon is out. And if they still can't get over it, they should use "AU" in the tag. Mischaracterization kills characters, and makes viewers question their own interpretation just because previous fans cannot get over their obstinate hyperfixations.
The part where Valentino was throwing the drink at Vox and then flung his phone against the wall were probably the most that he did — and these pale in comparison to what he did to Angel. Valentino knows he can't treat Vox any less than another Overlord. Alternatively, Vox doesn't hesitate to physically drag down Valentino and raise his voice at him...TWICE. What's your reasoning that Vox doesn't have the upper hand in their relationship?
Most importantly, we must pay attention to the reasons for their lashing out. It's a climatic moment: Angel has found a place to which neither Val or Vox's powers extend, and Alastor is back — and they're both associated with the princess of all of Hell, Charlie Morningstar ! Valentino and Vox aren't fighting, at least not with EACH OTHER. They are mad because their authority is soon to be questioned and they don't like it.
So what do they do? Valentino does the unhealthy equivalent of opening up to your s/o; he's telling Vox why he's mad while emphasizing it with his actions cuz he's still a bad guy, obviously. Vox maintains his calm for the "image" of the Vees, but is upset that Valentino didn't inform him sooner and then proceeds to do what he just prevented Val from doing — ruining their image.
Apart from this, Vox and Val have proven themselves to be straight up comfortable and decent around each other. Vox treats Valentino like a gentleman and is supportive of his suggestions — for example, when he agrees to Val's advice that they should "get someone inside" Alastor, in itself a wildly stupid idea. On the other hand, Valentino listens to Vox and seems to genuinely want to spent more time with him without appearing too desperate.
Edit: Additionally, Valentino says "Oh, you know me too well" to Vox right after he allows Val to shoot down their lowest paid earners, which, together with Vox's sly grin, directly shows just how intimately they understand each other. And if mutual understanding isn't crucial in a typical healthy relationship, consider me resigned.
What I noticed here is people assume they're being fake to manipulate each other. While that is a probability, it's worth considering that Vox flashed a fake-er smile to the news audience than he did at Val: his promises to them were also hollow, while to Val they were more concrete.
Hence, we see them sing along and dance harmoniously in the finale. This is what the show's trying to achieve.
Because Val is implied to own the most souls between the Vees, I thought maybe Vox had approached him before he (Vox) had become an Overlord and when they As if Vox had trouble gaining enough power on his own for some reason and tried to partner up with someone who was already more established. His first choice was Alastor, but he wasn't interested in anything Vox could provide, so he was forced to find someone who would be more receptive of what he had to offer.
But would Val agree to this? I feel like he wouldn't consider someone less powerful than him (maybe Vox was just that hot). (Though of course there's also Velvette who somehow managed to impress both of them later on)
Maybe it would make more sense if they both were still working on it and pooled their resources together to get the position? (The Vees seem to operate as a singular entity (as if they're just one Overlord instead of 3), so this might not be out of the question. Though maybe I'm operating on incorrect assumptions about what being an Overlord means technically. But even if it's not just the souls, combining power and influence is just as good)
Or maybe they were already both Overlords in their own right and just joined forces to strengthen their positions? (Though this option feels a bit boring)
What I understand from the Vees is that they know one thing or two about working together and supporting one another. Even in the Overlords' meeting scene, we can see Zestial and Carmilla, Zestial and Alastor, Alastor and Rosie, Carmilla and her daughters — they have s strong relationship based on friendship, trust or even love, unique to every relationship.
The Vees do just that. Of course, they're still proud people - but birds of a feather flock together, and they'd rather turn their noses up at the other Overlords TOGETHER than be challenged to do that ALONE with less of a chance of proving themselves.
I think it is quite clear, however, that the Vees work independently. Albeit, it's more convenient for them to work together to mutually benefit one another than steal all the fame because that might not work in the long term. Alliances are a thing, why not take advantage of it? In the end, they don't have to feel indebted to one another or overshadowed by the other Overlords.
About who came to power first: definitely Vox did, as he arrived at least 20 years earlier than Val. I like to think he was quite established by the time Val was growing influential, and when he couldn't convince Alastor to team up, he sought for the next best thing, like on a "Fine I'll do it myself and you WILL regret ever rejecting me" sort of petty incentive.
And why not talk about how Pornography and Social Media necessitate the widespread use of technology? And while we're on it, why not talk about the potential of Alastor, if conditionally he signed up to the Vees, as being something of a spokesman for them? Vox has his hypnosis, but coupled with Alastor's voice, they could rake in more viewers - more fame, more money, more power!
The idea of the Vees might just be to present themselves as a unified single body, capable of so, so much more all together than the solitary Overlords.
I HATE VALENTINO AND STATICMOTH BUT I LOVE VOX
I can’t hold this in anymore dude I’m actually going crazy…
I love love LOVE Vox, he’s so me, love him so much. But Valentino? I HATE HIM. I hate that guy I want him dead. I want him dead right now!!!! I actually cannot stand Staticmoth, yeah okay it is canon.
But not in my mind.
In my crazy yapped brain, Vox is NOT in love with Val, in my brain, Vox does all this stuff with Val for views.
BECAUSE THINK OF IT DUDE… What gets more views than a scandalous little romance, what gets more attention that two MEN kissing on live TV?
Probably a lot of things BUT STICK WITH ME HERE. STICK WITH ME HERE 🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️
I love Vox (and Velvette) and HATE Val..
Anyway that’s all, it’s 00:40 and my dog is BARKING at nothing, he’s such a crazy old guy!
I think more and more of hazbin Hotel fans should state their opinions and perspectives on the characters present within the show in the same fashion as you have. We can see that while you respect the canon characterization, you're not comfortable with it / it doesn't make sense to you. WHICH IS FINE.
Hating Valentino is obvious. Even his most dedicated fans hate him. Don't worry.
I can see how the hate extends to staticmoth, like shipping a character that's innocent in your eyes with the one who makes you want to rip your eyes off.
To be honest, we've just watched season 1 so there's potential character background to be achieved still in season 2. With the way Vivienne seems to treat Staticmoth, I think there's a lot of clout to be uncovered on Vox's end - UNTIL THAT I believe fans are free to assume whatever.
While I disagree that the Vees stream voxval moments live for gains... you might be onto something. That is an excellent alternative fanon interpretation that doesn't hurt anyone nor does it absolve Vox's crimes.
As a full-time voxval-got-my-brain fan, you got my support, pal. Go sleep. Have a nice day.
So in my “will-i-won’t-i” with Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss (where I procrastinate and don’t watch the shows and only absorb the content through TikTok, Tumblr and sometimes Twitter) I came across Staticmoth/ VoxVal.
I saw the scene with Angel and Valentino. His abuse and disgusting behavior. I have an idea on how this moth asshole behaves.
And I have seen some people think that their relationship would be toxic, that Vox and Val, if the predictions are correct and become (or are revealed to be) a couple, would beat the shit (physically, mentally and emotionally) out of each other on the regular, but I think the idea that him and Vox having a healthy relationship could be such a punch to the gut plot wise.
Because that would mean Valentino IS capable of understanding consent. He KNOWS what working with someone else means without disrespect. He FULLY knows what sex is supposed to be like.
But that’s is between equals. Vox? His equal. Fellow overlord.
Angel? His property. Why would he give a shit about his thing?
wouldn't it be uniquely awful if voxval turns out to be healthy. if he and vox cuddle, if they do aftercare, if they genuinely look out for each other. wouldn't it be especially painful for angel to see val being warm & happy & doting with vox immediately after forcing angel to work sixteen hours straight in the studio with no breaks. if we see more scenes like the end of poison, where angel is miserable and traumatized and then he looks out over the balcony and sees voxval tenderly holding hands. if we have to struggle with the painful reality that all too often, someone can be both a violent abuser and a caring boyfriend, and neither one negates the other
Simon's hair
Someone in my class said Simon is bald. Now I can’t stop thinking what the fuck is this really kind of true
But maybe consider...
I am in love with the idea of Simon being a pessimist, apathetic, awkward, and everything but the soft sweet baby the fandom makes him out to be. I kinda feel the fandom made up Simon being this sweet non-conflicting baby mostly because he's yt and has a softer appearance than Josh. Like why must soft appearance mean soft person? To me, Simon seems gloomy, glum, and apathetic and probably insecure. But he's a good listener, empathetic at times, he's understanding, he's honest and loyal. That's the Simon that's intriguing rather than just soft baby who at worst is awkward.
In terms of Simon being seen as a sweet baby, nothing is wrong with seeing him as that hell I don’t mind it but it feels like there’s not much depth and or much beneath that sweetness and sadness. For example, one thing I love about North’s character is how she’s not just sad because she was basically a slave her entire existence, there’s anger, there’s sadness, there’s layers to her trauma. Yes, it’s never explained who or what Simon was running from or even his past but I feel it doesn’t do him justice to just portray sadness, I don’t mind anxiety at all but sadness or depression is more than just being sad. To me, Simon would often have days on end in which he doesn’t move, doesn’t think, he just shuts down for days on end and will often neglect himself and his needs. To me, he would exhibit symptoms of having bipolar disorder, high highs and low lows, mania, hyperactivity, and more. I would like to see him perhaps be given more depth to his sadness, give me anger, show us an angry simon who’s hopeless and bitter because of his experiences. I do like to believe that Simon does try to be calm and does try to keep the peace but I still believe that Josh is the most peaceful or pacifist member of Jericho. I imagine all of them have their moments in which they simply snap, I don’t think Simon is any different. Like give me arguments between him and Markus, Simon has low self-worth and half the time doesn’t believe he deserves Markus, he deals with dark thoughts all time that he’s simply kept bottled up as he’s fearful of how people he cares about will react. If they’ll hate him, if they’ll treat him like he’s a monster. Give me a Simon who is going through mania or even after his manic episode, he doesn’t believe he’s worth all the trouble that Markus and the group goes through for him. To me, Simon is someone who feels things deeply but he keeps it in due to fear and past experiences, he’s someone who rather hide his emotions, hide the pain, and put on a face of apathy than to truly open up. Another way I would contrast him and North, she’s willing to open up, she will reopen those wounds time and time again with the chance of being hurt whilst Simon rather hide his pain, those wounds, and suffer silently than to risk being hurt even more. So yeah give Simon more depth please especially when you give him things like anxiety, depression, and overall just let Simon experience a wide variety of emotions and push him to his limits. Same with the others as well but especially Simon.
Hc that domestic android models are equipped with the same analytical taste feature that the RK models are, but instead of using it for crime scenes, they use it for cooking. It's especially useful for detecting certain allergens or gluten or dairy in food, in case someone has dietary restrictions due to illnesses or allergies.