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[fnaflucasverse]

Hey what if Fazbear's Fright [FNAF 3] was like The Backrooms, given the whole being a set of hallways thing?

waaaaait this intrigues me. i don't think i've said anything on this blog about my version of fnaf3 but especially given kane parsons' backrooms concept/lore this is incredibly appealing because the whole fnaf3 arc is a culmination of lucas's inability to stop retreading the paths of memory that are already worn into his mind. if freddy's had backrooms it would be a crystal clear fnaf2 location (in my au fnaf2 exists chronologically after fnaf1) and a constantly warping fnaf1 location with every path looping back to the back room (ha!) where the children went missing. i am also deeply concerned about whoever lucas's remembered self turns out to be.

actually in a way the plot of the backrooms movie (i don't want to spoil it because i highly recommend you watch it for yourself) aligns loosely with the plot i have currently for fnaf3. what generally happens (subject to change) is that by 2003-04, the original freddy's is completely demolished/hollowed out following a "bizarre and unexpected" incident that results in lucas getting sent to prison and fazbear entertainment completely washing their hands of the hurricane location once and for all. life moves on, fazbear entertainment becoming even more of a household name (think disney), and everyone has tried to leave hurricane in the past... until, on the 30-year anniversary of the day the children disappeared, marigold emily gets a call from her brother asking her to come home.

what unfolds is kind of like if fnaf3 was a psychological slasher movie. honestly even though the backrooms (as they are) is kind of only semi-possible in lucasverse, it's such a juicy concept to me. its an obviously very striking setting, and adding the thematic components of poisonous nostalgia and the manifestation of liminality, being stuck In Between, never being able to move on nor return to where you came from...... you've basically just given me crack cocaine for my brain. i will think about this for a good long while thank you

[fnaflucasverse]

i cant stealth this one dang,

foxhound status?

foxhound status report: in any universe mike will find a way to yiff the robot fox o7 <—for legal reasons this is a joke don't sue me fazbear lawyers. OH NO IT'S LUCAS WITH THE STEEL CHA—[dies instantly]

explanation for well-adjusted sane people: ummm. okay so if you remember this au's roots in the parlourverse (which itself is rooted in the reborniverse) the animatronics were entirely separate from the ghost children, and had their own robot consciousnesses/personalities/etc etc. foxy in particular has an extremely tragic but compelling dynamic with mike given their roles as the bite of 87 perpetrator and victim respectively, as well as foxy being possessed by violet, who hates mike the most. we like our doomed yaoi here okay platonic or otherwise.

given lucasverse's slightly more realistic bent i don't think it would be possible for fazbear entertainment to give the animatronics incredible levels of artificial intelligence in the 1980s, so the animatronics just don't have that. Yet. which is to say i believe in the power that people give to their own immense belief. when you believe in something, it can feel real, and that's practically indistinguishable from it Being real in your mind. you think, therefore it is. this goes doubly for the imagination of children, who bring tinkerbell back to life if they believe strongly enough, and the imagination of the fearful, who can manifest monsters under the bed, in the closet, down the darkened hallway.

so given that whole spiel there's kind of like. two main roads to foxhound. the first and somehow more sane option is my human fazband au where foxy is a 7ft tall depressed pirate named rodrigo. he's not like an actor or anything. just manifested into existence by lucas's inexplicable reality-bending mind powers. the second option makes mike a strange guy who just gradually becomes more and more. not really obsessed. captivated by a broken-down, malfunctioning robot. and i think that's beautiful.

live violet (hates mike) and lucas (jealous as fuck of foxy) reactions

[fnaflucasverse]

Not sure if I already sent this so I apologize in advance, but I think there are stuff you can do with the ghost concept, you just gotta save them for like special moments.

like most of the story is centered around the still living characters interacting with the paranormal and the horror coming from what you don’t know. So saving stuff concerning Faith, Violet or William, where we directly interact with or treat them less as forces of nature for more significant moments might be the move. Btw this isn’t a “you should write it this way” kinda thing, I’m just throwing shit out there.

I’m ultimately interested in whatever you come up with

no problem! honestly yea you make a good point. it's been a while since i've been in the lucasverse headspace so i'm still getting used to writing it again. i guess my whole problem/issue/deal is wanting to hold onto my cake but still eat it too... i tend to go back and forth on decisions a lot unless they spark a certain amount of. joy? creativity? not sure how to describe it. william and faith being alive spark that in me whereas the idea of completely removing ghosts doesn't really do the same.

i agree the ghost horror should be highlighted in special moments. despite it being called lucasverse, the real pov characters are actually mike and nessa, so the horror has to be experienced through their eyes. given they don't really have the insight into the goings-on within freddy's as lucas does, yeah they're definitely way more (likely to be) affected by the hauntings.

i guess what i'm flip-flopping between is the nature of the hauntings. does it manifest more like the games where only the animatronics are the source of the horror, or is it more like... i guess the backrooms (watched it just yesterday, i really enjoyed it but i can see some not favoring the slow pacing) where the haunting is more. cerebral and directly caused by the characters's minds made manifest into this incomprehensible space. it's hard for me to put into words. it's like an exterior ghost vs an interior ghost. the ghost as an outside force vs the ghost that you have brought into this world. the cake-having/eating part of me feels the two can still be combined in some way in lucasverse (not that i'm adding a pizzeria backrooms or anything. although that would be a fun concept for another au.......)

anyways i'm rambling now. thanks for the input, btw! i've honestly enjoyed getting/answering these asks. i know the format can be limited, so if you ever want to talk more in detail, feel free to dm me on this blog!

[fnaflucasverse]

Looking forward to some of the new changes, though does it mean the story is getting expanded or losing the Afton’s and slight FNAF 4 addition?

i'd say it's more of a horizontal shift. i decided a Long time ago that i wasn't going to consider any game past like. fnaf 4/sister location as "canon", so i'm 95% sure i won't be expanding anything. (just for context, i consider everything in the games as less of a literal snapshot of events happening and more of... i guess an extended nightmare sequence that filters real events/characters/etc through the mind of lucas. which is to say a lot (i'll get into it all at some point.))

as for the aftons... yeah they'll be sticking around! i'm genuinely fond of my versions of them (and also removing them would mean yet another structural change. and i'm lazy 😭) i like how they ended up fitting into lucasverse and they really made the themes i was going for (with family sins and grief) much more uhhh interconnected in a way. the thing with the emilys vs aftons as parallel/mirror families to each other is also something that scratches a certain itch in my brain.

but as for that horizontal shift i mentioned... okay it's going to sound kind of insane considering this is a fnaf au. but i'm kind of debating whether or not to remove the ghosts? what i mean is like. so basically all of the ghosts i have right now (especially william, faith, and charlie) are pretty limited storywise by them Being ghosts. they've become no greater than a mcguffin or a talking dog sidekick. there's only so much i can do with an animatronic-possessing ghost. so if they can't really be characters........

i'm dividing the ghosts into two categories. those that can just. not die in the first place (currently just william and faith) and the rest who are. potentially nonexistent or at the very least it's incredibly ambiguous whether or not they're real or just another manifestation of the other characters's overwhelming grief. i feel like it works a lot better for lucas's story, where he's laboring and doing all these worse and worse things for an end goal that might as well be impossible. but at the same time fnaf is the Haunted Animatronics story. so i likely won't get rid of them entirely

however as for bringing some characters back to life, i think that's a much easier decision to make. i remember kind of regretting making william a ghost because his dynamics with beth and michael and especially lucas and mike were very interesting in my mind and it was a shame that only lucas got to really interact with him. plus ghost dementia really translates easily to real life dementia which. considering william would be nearing 80 in my timeline, is definitely possible. it also adds a kind of despair to things where this nice and sweet old man is responsible for so much of your pain and no one will ever believe you. and he doesn't even remember what he did.

as for faith! i've always had this idea in the back of my mind with her being the daughter of the phone guy, and her younger brother (also) being one of the missing children. faith's dynamic with lucas is one of my favorites and especially how it intersects with both of their relationships with mike. i love faith's struggle with identity and depersonalization and i feel it could have so much more going on if she was Alive and got to grow up too. it's all a little fuzzy in my brain at the moment but i just think it could work really well.

but yeah thanks so much for the ask! it really got me back into thinking about these guys again and it's really nice to get to dust off this blog :]

[fnaflucasverse]

So what motivated the lore change?

damn this is a month old uhhh 😭 as a preamble for anyone interested, i haven't been on this blog for ages bc of college and i just haven't been in a fnaf headspace for a while. so yeah 👍 but to answer your question uhhh

short version: probably watching the fnaf movie for the first time? matthew lillard was good in it 👍 and then i read his empire of dirt by pearlandpine on ao3 and all related fics by them. and i already wanted to make my au more original and more of My work as opposed to sticking very closely to the parlourverse by @/fivenightsatfreddysfanfiction

long version: as someone whose tastes are pretty "oldschool" when it comes to fnaf and fnaf aus i sort of ended up avoiding the movies. i like the ambiguity and freedom, as well as the complete-feeling story, that fnaf 1-3 have. plus i have something of a kneejerk aversion to the almost. stereotypical "william afton" concept (it's hard to describe. i just don't prefer him or michael afton being the main character tbh). the idea of remnant also just flat out does not interest me, because i feel it's pulled fnaf away from a horror and straight into paranormal-science fiction. but i digress.

anyway the fnaf 2 movie came out and it was kind of a "why not?" thing. despite my previous paragraph i do actually find newer fnaf to be fascinating from a distance, seeing how it evolved. i don't hate it; it's just never been for me. but i watched the fnaf 2 movie for my 10 year old self and honestly it was a decently fun time! but it was like a solid 6.5/10 for me so i figured that some points were lost because i didn't have the extra context from the first movie.

so i watched it. and then it was SO much better that it dropped the fnaf 2 movie down to a 5/10. let it be said i am a huge sucker for sibling dynamics in fiction, especially when they're kinda dysfunctional about it and/or one has to raise the other. AND when the caretaker also hung up on the death of a previous sibling and blames himself for it. it's so lucas it's crazy. ahem. also vanessa took a bit more time to digest for me but when she did. holy fuck. oh my god. [explodes]

and the novelization was even better than the movie (i process things easier through reading compared to watching) and it made me start kicking myself because i could've gotten here much much earlier if i opened my heart to it all. etc. and also like i said earlier matthew lillard did a pretty good job and i like how his face moves. he added a bitchy pettiness to steve raglan that i enjoyed. i still dgaf about william afton though but it made me more receptive to new ideas.

and then at some point, thanks to some gorgeous fanart that i can't find anymore, i stumbled across a link to his empire of dirt by pearlandpine on ao3 which is a fic where michael time travels to his father's past and tries to change things. you should absolutely give it a shot if you like michael and/or william afton. i did not start out fond of either but i ended up incredibly endeared to michael nonetheless and his struggle to come to terms with the fact that he still deserves love despite everything. and william's own struggle to become a better person really resonated. the flashbacks to the "original" timeline and seeing the intersections between the future and past williams were also very interesting to me.

anyways all this to say these things warmed me up greatly to the concept of william afton. and then like i said i was also wanting to change lucasverse to be more original in concept/story because i was and have been largely piggybacking off the work of the parlourverse. i mean i grew up with it and lucas has always been an oc from there, and i've just been nostalgically fond of the characters and everything. but it's always felt very Awkward building lucasverse with the parlourverse blocks because i was using someone else's original characters and breaking them apart and twisting them to fit my mold. with fnaf as a whole, scott cawthon isn't going to see what i do with the outline of his story and also i don't respect him. with the parlourverse... i mean i know and have talked to avec before 😭 it just feels awkward to use someone's oc as free real estate. yk how it is.

so anyways all of this led to me deciding to rehaul the au and use the afton family as my new touys to squash and stretch and decapitate. so yea hope this answers your question 👍

[fnaflucasverse]

but now i lowkey want to change everything again...................

[fnaflucasverse]

So what motivated the lore change?

damn this is a month old uhhh 😭 as a preamble for anyone interested, i haven't been on this blog for ages bc of college and i just haven't been in a fnaf headspace for a while. so yeah 👍 but to answer your question uhhh

short version: probably watching the fnaf movie for the first time? matthew lillard was good in it 👍 and then i read his empire of dirt by pearlandpine on ao3 and all related fics by them. and i already wanted to make my au more original and more of My work as opposed to sticking very closely to the parlourverse by @/fivenightsatfreddysfanfiction

long version: as someone whose tastes are pretty "oldschool" when it comes to fnaf and fnaf aus i sort of ended up avoiding the movies. i like the ambiguity and freedom, as well as the complete-feeling story, that fnaf 1-3 have. plus i have something of a kneejerk aversion to the almost. stereotypical "william afton" concept (it's hard to describe. i just don't prefer him or michael afton being the main character tbh). the idea of remnant also just flat out does not interest me, because i feel it's pulled fnaf away from a horror and straight into paranormal-science fiction. but i digress.

anyway the fnaf 2 movie came out and it was kind of a "why not?" thing. despite my previous paragraph i do actually find newer fnaf to be fascinating from a distance, seeing how it evolved. i don't hate it; it's just never been for me. but i watched the fnaf 2 movie for my 10 year old self and honestly it was a decently fun time! but it was like a solid 6.5/10 for me so i figured that some points were lost because i didn't have the extra context from the first movie.

so i watched it. and then it was SO much better that it dropped the fnaf 2 movie down to a 5/10. let it be said i am a huge sucker for sibling dynamics in fiction, especially when they're kinda dysfunctional about it and/or one has to raise the other. AND when the caretaker also hung up on the death of a previous sibling and blames himself for it. it's so lucas it's crazy. ahem. also vanessa took a bit more time to digest for me but when she did. holy fuck. oh my god. [explodes]

and the novelization was even better than the movie (i process things easier through reading compared to watching) and it made me start kicking myself because i could've gotten here much much earlier if i opened my heart to it all. etc. and also like i said earlier matthew lillard did a pretty good job and i like how his face moves. he added a bitchy pettiness to steve raglan that i enjoyed. i still dgaf about william afton though but it made me more receptive to new ideas.

and then at some point, thanks to some gorgeous fanart that i can't find anymore, i stumbled across a link to his empire of dirt by pearlandpine on ao3 which is a fic where michael time travels to his father's past and tries to change things. you should absolutely give it a shot if you like michael and/or william afton. i did not start out fond of either but i ended up incredibly endeared to michael nonetheless and his struggle to come to terms with the fact that he still deserves love despite everything. and william's own struggle to become a better person really resonated. the flashbacks to the "original" timeline and seeing the intersections between the future and past williams were also very interesting to me.

anyways all this to say these things warmed me up greatly to the concept of william afton. and then like i said i was also wanting to change lucasverse to be more original in concept/story because i was and have been largely piggybacking off the work of the parlourverse. i mean i grew up with it and lucas has always been an oc from there, and i've just been nostalgically fond of the characters and everything. but it's always felt very Awkward building lucasverse with the parlourverse blocks because i was using someone else's original characters and breaking them apart and twisting them to fit my mold. with fnaf as a whole, scott cawthon isn't going to see what i do with the outline of his story and also i don't respect him. with the parlourverse... i mean i know and have talked to avec before 😭 it just feels awkward to use someone's oc as free real estate. yk how it is.

so anyways all of this led to me deciding to rehaul the au and use the afton family as my new touys to squash and stretch and decapitate. so yea hope this answers your question 👍

[fnaflucasverse]

the lv aftons+emilys dynamic is so fun to me bc theyre like the closest thing they can get to being cousins without actually being cousins and also the entire family has kind of like semi-adopted each others kids while lowkey despising their own and its just fun to me. its like if romeo and juliet started with them breaking up and ended with the montagues and capulets becoming best friends

[fnaflucasverse]

contrary to what some would think, henry was a negligible presence in michael and elizabeths lives when they were growing up (just assumed william was filling the father role well enough on his own) and was especially missing after david+charlie's deaths (grief and all that). it was only after the wombo combo of the bite of 87+violet's disappearance+william's bizarre death that henry noticed how michael and beth were taking it (abnormally) that henry started belatedly trying to take these 30+yos under his wing. the fact they warmed up pretty quickly to this is proof that daddy issues are eternal

[fnaflucasverse]

[lucasverse scene that will never happen]

lucas (mandatory faztech training at afton robotics): why does your dad's ghost call me michael

michael sr: how about we stop talking for a while

[fnaflucasverse]

the lv aftons+emilys dynamic is so fun to me bc theyre like the closest thing they can get to being cousins without actually being cousins and also the entire family has kind of like semi-adopted each others kids while lowkey despising their own and its just fun to me. its like if romeo and juliet started with them breaking up and ended with the montagues and capulets becoming best friends

[tuoyfreddy]

Thinking about ghost mechanics. My thoughts are Cassidy has a more solid grasp of herself and the situation than the rest of the MCI + River because a combination of her wrath over dying + latent psychic abilities allowed her to go "NO. NO!! YOU KNOW WHAT? NO!!!!" and pop out incorporeal but fully conscious and self aware.

Charlotte managed to keep the other kids from disappearing via give gifts give life but they view the living world through the distorted lens of emotion, memory, and sensation. This goes double for River, who died before Charlotte had ironed out the method of sticking spirits into things (River is connected to the Fredbear animatronic but not properly homed within it. His spirit doesn't recognize it as his body)

Charlotte went through the same process she used for the MCI unintentionally with the puppet due to being physically entangled during death—only realizing she was now in the puppet once the two were separated. Unfortunately, she quickly lost track of who she was before coming to possess the puppet and had to come up with ways to amend that problem with River (having him frequently go through the motions of his death so he wouldn't forget himself)

[fnaflucasverse]

lucasverse characters and whether they believe in ghosts, mains to sides

lucas: well. Yeah. the problem is i don't think he can actually See ghosts apart from what they're attached to (classic problem tbf)

mike/faith: ghost agnostic. mike believes in Lucas's belief in pizzeria ghosts and agrees there's some weird shit going on but doesn't know if that's enough for Proof exactly. faith also believes in lucas's belief but doesn't really want to confront the fact that she's dead

nessa: categorically no (ghost atheist), chalks up the original fazband's strange behavior to decaying hardware (partially true) and the toy fazband's to a severe software bug (also true). everything else might be a carbon monoxide leak (certainly possible)

marigold: categorically yes. in fact she's got a bit of a theory that every classic "monster" archetype is basically just a ghost. zombies? ghost. vampires? blood ghost. werewolves? wolf ghost. think about it

afton: you'd think it'd be straightforward since he's. yk. a ghost. but i don't think he's realized he's dead yet. besides, "ghost" is a silly word anyways.

violet: yes but she didn't know actually Being a ghost would be this boring! at least she gets a cool robot suit

charlie: what's a ghost? everyone who is here is alive. she gave them that gift

sammy: no but sometimes memories are capable of bringing back the dead, even just for a moment. that's a bit like ghosts, isn't it?

garrett: no because if ghosts were real that would be fucking terrifying. could you imagine??? he ends up pretty superstitious "just in case"

fritz: generally no but he's willing to believe if it's interesting enough. and freddy's is Plenty interesting

beth: i think she's flip-flopped over the years but settles on a tepid "no" because she prefers quantifiable proof before she believes in anything (but david IS a ghost and is haunting her forever)

michael: no because ghosts go against god's natural order (but david IS a ghost and is haunting him forever)

henry: not ghosts exactly but he likes to believe that his loved ones are watching over him from heaven (and his enemies are scowling up at him from hell)

david: he's already going through a death loop purgatory. why would you want him to freak out even more???? he's 6

[fnaflucasverse]

to elaborate briefly on how i view my version of william afton. at the core of his character is a man who loves his family, doesn't know how to show that love, assumes that the sentiment is more than enough, and lets that love suffocate and ruin everyone in his life. he is a man who dedicates his life to making children happy but only so much as they are made happy through him and his efforts. he neglects to think about what happens when the children grow up. when the children could never be made happy to begin with. which is to say it was a horrible awful accident that everyone could've forseen, mr afton, im so sorry for your gain

[fnaflucasverse]

as per last post lucas's intense obsession with freddy's is like 90% the reason almost everyone at work avoids him. lucas is like if the grinning bubbly people in fazbear commercials were all condensed into a single vessel. the true bastion of the fazbear funtime spirit. however mike has known lucas since they were both deeply antisocial 20yos and therefore mike thinks lucas's smiling clown act is funny as Fuck and makes fun of him for it. sometimes lucas will actively play up the whole schtick when mike has to be serious and mike is notoriously bad at trying not to laugh

this too is an aftonism (which lucas also hates) except henry would join in and they would do bit parts. abbott and costello yk

[fnaflucasverse]

the main thing about mike is that when he's at work he's in a semi-perpetual state of "this is not my beautiful house (shitty apartment). this is not my beautiful wife (fiancé leslie) :(" and then he kinda disassociates and runs on routine until he gets to clock out (whereupon lucas ponders whether he can get away with framing mike for property damage so he has to work overtime)

[fnaflucasverse]

the main thing about lucas is that when he's at work. he's not "at work" bc freddy's is literally his life and he puts his heart and soul into running this mediocre family pizzeria/arcade like the navy. there is no other place he would rather be and when he's not at freddys (only from the hours of 12am to 6am) he gets stressed thinking about how he should be at freddy's. this is the exact same strain of derangement that plagued william afton so i guess it's really not that surprising they're working together (lucas HATES him)

[fnaflucasverse]

the main thing about mike is that when he's at work he's in a semi-perpetual state of "this is not my beautiful house (shitty apartment). this is not my beautiful wife (fiancé leslie) :(" and then he kinda disassociates and runs on routine until he gets to clock out (whereupon lucas ponders whether he can get away with framing mike for property damage so he has to work overtime)

[fnaflucasverse]

quick and dirty barebones timeline of all the important events (aka not counting the ghost stuff or intercharacter politics). feel free to ask for more details!

1950s

- william and henry found fredbear's family diner; they invent the springlock fredbear and bonnie suits

1963

- michael and elizabeth afton play a cruel "prank" on half-brother david, resulting in a freak accident that kills him

- elizabeth pins majority of the blame on michael; michael gets sentenced; william afton's mental stability deteriorates

- william coerces liz to lure in charlie emily into his car with the promise of getting ice cream; charlie is never seen alive again

- henry closes down fredbear's for good; he moves away with his remaining child sammy

prior to 1983

- michael released early on good behavior; william and michael have falling out and michael runs away, changing his name

- william founds afton robotics, which becomes a pioneer in technological advancement

- william realizes charlie's ghost inhabits the marionette doll; he begins theorizing about the "remnant" of souls

1983

- william and henry reunite; william convinces henry to move back and become his business partner again despite sammy's concerns

- william and henry found freddy fazbear's pizza / fazbear entertainment; business booms and the restaurant becomes a franchise

- william uses freddy's as a front to lure in / kidnap children to use in remnant experiments

1987

- william reaches out to make amends with michael and meet his other grandchildren; after several months, michael agrees to have his son, mike jr's, birthday at freddy's

- william uses the party to lure mike's friend faith suzumura to the back room and drug her; sammy's daughter violet witnesses this while looking for her twin brother and confronts william

- lucas has been hiding from the party inside the vent system; he witnesses william knock out violet, and hide her and faith inside the disused fredbear suit

- fritz fitzgerald convinces mike jr to cross the safety line at pirate's cove, resulting in a freak accident that kills him; mike rushed to hospital in a coma

- william alerted to mike jr's accident and rushes out of back room; lucas attempts to rescue violet and faith but the springlocks activate, killing both of them

- william returns to the back room to discover lucas, both feeling immense guilt; william promises to help lucas "fix everything" if lucas lies about what happened

- william and lucas pin the disappearances onto security guard ed rodriguez; ed goes on the run and blackmails william, resulting in both men being found dead in the back room under mysterious circumstances

- elizabeth and michael step into william's place at fazbear entertainment and afton robotics respectively; sammy moves away with lucas after henry decides close down the original freddy's location and focus on franchising

c. 1997

- henry emily dies from a heart attack, leaving sammy the original location; sammy makes plans to finally bulldoze the place

- lucas befriends retiring night guard scott suzumura; they accidentally rediscover the ghosts in the sealed-up back room, and scott disappears on his last shift

- mike jr runs into sammy who hires him as a temporary replacement night guard; he befriends lucas

1997-2002

- elizabeth vetoes sammy's decision to bulldoze, convincing her to renovate instead; freddy's reopens with brand-new "toy" fazband

- sammy trains lucas to become general manager in her stead; mike promoted to daytime security

- sammy steps back from freddy's to focus on her daughter marigold; several night guards go missing over the years

- "jeremy" vanessa fitzgerald infiltrates freddy's as a night guard; the toy fazband's security protocols begin to malfunction

and that's where we end for now! there's a lot of gaps that i intend to fill via stories or art, but like i said before, you can always ask about anything! thanks for reading!

[fnaflucasverse]

but you're still part of the family, right?