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Currently just mildly obsessed with The Bear and SydCarmy w/f/eat your veggies old

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Carmy telling Claire that he felt like he was on fire when he was with her is him describing gaslighting.

When you don’t feel emotionally safe with someone because they are moving the goalposts constantly and not being honest. Even if it wasn’t maliciously done.

He tried to make himself love it (because it’s what he’s used to, what he grew up with, out of guilt because it’s what Mikey and Richie wanted for him) but he couldn’t anymore.

Because of his interactions with Syd being such the opposite, he started to question all of it.

Whether what he received and learned from his family and community (Claire and Faks) growing up was actually a healthy expression of love.

He associates Syd with what his priorities should look like if he had his shit together, versus the self-destructive behavior he was raised with.

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You explained this so well!

When you don’t feel emotionally safe with someone because they are moving the goalposts constantly and not being honest. Even if it wasn’t maliciously done.

Claire id overlly dismissing of Carmmy's issues, she is never real about anything, so is no surprise Carmy feels like he doesn't know her, not to mention how she can twist things to her advantage.

We also don't have an objective look into their relationship. Even Carmy's memories could be altered or very much idealized at this point.

Fire for Carmen and Mikey is self destruction

And that feeling of self hate is a response to being abused (including gaslighting as you said) and being manipulated. We don't know howsby times thst happened between them. Maybe Carmy us so used to receiving love as an exchange for being mistreated that he is lying to himself about it.

When he said she made him feel like he was on fire, he was basically telling her he hates himself when they are together. The trick (lengermain) is that he believes it his fault, the way Donnas abuse was his fault. So Claire mistreatment of him I'd supposed to be his fault too. Carmy is incapable of seeing manipulation at face value, he has been conditioned his whole life that way. And as an adult he is incapable of letting himself being love without abuse so that's what attracts him to Clsire, even if he isn't aware of it and believes that she is the most wonderful person ever. Claire is also pretending 24/7 lets not forget, so Carmen can eclipse every bad feeling he has around her because she is supposed to be the best thing that happened to her.

Sydney is quite the antidote. Because he is forcing himself to be with Claire while his heart already knows, he knows Syd is the one thing that change everything for him, and he expressed it the nomment he allowed himself to feel it.

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It's very similar to the Sherri/Mikey situation in Gary to me. Richie trying to get Mikey to "participate". Sherri is getting something from Mikey for herself by going into the bathroom and babying him. She takes care of her drunk friends like Claire, I believe, which is why she works in a bar and her friends are day-drinking. They play "Fact or Fiction", framed like playing a game with a kid (just like Claire does to distract the child from the shot), but it's exactly how gaslighting works. Mikey can't tell what is real or not. This is pretty obviously like Carmy and Claire. Mikey would go there with someone who doesn't really know him, but won't tell Richie any of this, and then goes off on Richie like Carmy did in the walk-in.

It's different from Goodbye where all the truth starts coming out for Syd and Carmy. Syd is angry, but she's also concerned. Carmy is concerned about her as well. Claire wasn't capable of being real with Carmy, she spoke in metaphors and was avoidant and then got mad when he wouldn't let her get close to him.

What's also interesting in Goodbye is how Syd punishes Carmy by not speaking to him (which he equates to torture, basically but didn't talk to Claire for months), but she's also doing something to herself that he's done to himself most of his adult life. Smoking.

He tells her to stop and she's not even good at it. (Richie does, too.)

Carmy didn't care if Claire smoked?

It also tempts him to share the cigarette with Syd (to be close to her, because that's Carmy to a T), and then he opens up to her. And Syd shared some complicated feelings about Carmy smoking in Worms. She associates him smoking with "the good times".

Sherri was in the bathroom with Mikey watching him snort lines and then spiraling. Claire did during Friends & Family when Carmy was in the walk-in, even though she knew Carmy had anxiety, was under pressure, ditched his very real responsibilities to hang out with her, etc.

The show is not even trying to hide anymore that Claire is terrible for Carmy in every way.

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Carmy telling Claire that he felt like he was on fire when he was with her is him describing gaslighting.

When you don’t feel emotionally safe with someone because they are moving the goalposts constantly and not being honest. Even if it wasn’t maliciously done.

He tried to make himself love it (because it’s what he’s used to, what he grew up with, out of guilt because it’s what Mikey and Richie wanted for him) but he couldn’t anymore.

Because of his interactions with Syd being such the opposite, he started to question all of it.

Whether what he received and learned from his family and community (Claire and Faks) growing up was actually a healthy expression of love.

He associates Syd with what his priorities should look like if he had his shit together, versus the self-destructive behavior he was raised with.

[whenmemorydies]

I’ll never be over them or this scene I fear.

🎶: Is This Empathy by Mega Simone

[emmasdelusions]

Let’s be real…sometimes the anticipation and absolute delusion of what could happen in a show is way better than what we actually get. So yeah, I am absolutely sucking the life out of every single teaser frame. What the hell, why not?

Sydcarmy stuck in a storm together, let’s goooo

An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works

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This is so good. And the parallels to S2 where they have to stop work and everyone gets sent home, but this time they are all sent home and Syd and Carmy stay.

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When Carmy Met Syd.

When Harry Met Sally.

It had to be you.

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Still think Sydcarmy could already be together offscreen as the big legerdemain.

So many visual and script hints in S3/4 of Syd thinking of leaving the restaurant but not him (he’s her partner) and him leaving the restaurant but not her (he’s her friend) so she can do what she loves.

Just the inversion and missed communication of it all! Not being honest about real feelings is felt all throughout S4 plus Gary.

Friends and partners and relationships gone sideways. Carmy gets out of Syd’s way but that’s not what she really wants.

Carmy couldn’t make himself love Claire. Claire was performative as well and never got to really know him in any deep way.

Syd thought Shapiro giving her everything she wanted might make her happy about her career, but it never felt genuine to her or inspired her.

Francine and Nat holding onto an unspoken grudge only to realize they’re still sentimental about each other after all this time. But it doesn’t get in the way of what Nat and Pete have now (Claire = Francine).

Gary showing that Tiff was Richie’s wife, but never his partner. It was Mikey, but they were never honest with each other, and in the end no one got the love they needed/wanted.

Syd and Carmy finally starting to communicate and Richie and Nat interrupting them as a cliffhanger.

It’s going to storm like a dam breaking. Like a pot boiling over.

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Curious of the IG promo of the shots of food and comparing the characters to artists.

Parallel of stage/acting? Very The Red Shoes. They are pointing us to look at the food for sure. It’s also a nice thing for Courtney, I suppose.

All those Sydcarmy dishes seem to represent moments in their relationship timeline, too.

Carmy’s dishes are fully about his fine dining journey connected to Syd. No imposter pasta to be found 🤣

Syd’s are her bringing family together and putting her and Carmy together on plates!

They even show the rolled up carrots and that fennel flower on it which Carmy had been sketching when he was thinking about Syd in S3 (pls ask me what Carmy has on the brain in S3 I dare u).

I’m sure Marcus will get one as well. Chocolate cake eaten at family. The Syd donut. The Michael cannoli that is Marcus + his culinary parents 🤣 His legerdemain dessert.

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A bunch of these dishes are inspired by or a reference to Syd in Carmy’s set.

The delicate carrot ribbons and roe with fennel pollen/flower.

The paupiette hamachi/kampachi dishes.

The lamb dishes.

Syd on the brain!

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Some scammers got my phone number because I’m getting texts that sound like Firecracker promoting Homelander as Jesus except it’s for the IRL villain.

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Disney not promoting it makes me think Sydcarmy def happening.

[snoopybelievesinpluto]

case closed sydcarmy in 5

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Curious of the IG promo of the shots of food and comparing the characters to artists.

Parallel of stage/acting? Very The Red Shoes. They are pointing us to look at the food for sure. It’s also a nice thing for Courtney, I suppose.

All those Sydcarmy dishes seem to represent moments in their relationship timeline, too.

Carmy’s dishes are fully about his fine dining journey connected to Syd. No imposter pasta to be found 🤣

Syd’s are her bringing family together and putting her and Carmy together on plates!

They even show the rolled up carrots and that fennel flower on it which Carmy had been sketching when he was thinking about Syd in S3 (pls ask me what Carmy has on the brain in S3 I dare u).

I’m sure Marcus will get one as well. Chocolate cake eaten at family. The Syd donut. The Michael cannoli that is Marcus + his culinary parents 🤣 His legerdemain dessert.

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Syd saying “This is The Bear” could mean Carmy has told her he always wanted to do The Bear with Mikey and then he wanted to do it with her, and he tried to love it, but he couldn’t (he’s really talking about fine dining).

They will contemplate how it actually could’ve been what they have both always wanted, having everything all in one place, and making people happy. And Syd will tell him it’s not just about restaurants for her and talk about her mom’s legacy.

And Syd will also admit she kind of liked it back when it was The Beef (letting go of the star), which will surprise Carmy.

They’ll decide it’s not about a person it’s what they built together, and they will want to try again and then he’ll fall back in love with cooking and Syd will finally let herself fall in love with him.

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Ebra saying he likes himself and his skills, and didn’t he say to Carmy at one point that he liked his skills?

And the assumption was made that Ebra would also want culinary training to be up skilled, but he really didn’t.

He wanted to make beefs and feel useful and now he’s the one that’s going to pull a rabbit out of the hat here.

Which brings me to Syd and Carmy. Do they actually like themselves?

Carmy is easy, we know he doesn’t. He likes everything about Syd that he’s not and is tapped out.

Syd cares so much for others but gets uncomfortable about receiving it in return. She also thinks of Carmy in a competitive sense.

Carmy does do competitive behavior, but I think Syd makes assumptions about his motivations. Like that he feels like he needs to be talented (more talented than everyone) but not why, which is that he wants to feel needed.

Just like he does with hers? He thinks she loves cooking and restaurants and doesn’t see the motivations driving it. He doesn’t understand what she is really saying when she says “You’re supposed to be here!” Why she feels so abandoned when he’s telling her how much he admires her.

Richie still a mess. Neil always a mess.

Tina holding it together but stressing about that stupid pasta timer and fighting with her husband.

Marcus was fully stressing until he got some help, but he’s also worried about maintaining an inspiration streak and his future.

Meanwhile, all the guys working The Beef window seem confident in S4.

They don’t worry about stars. They just feed people and have time left over to live life.

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Someone made a comment about the shot of Syd getting ready to lay down a table cloth and this is something you’d do before a nice dinner, but also, if you pushed tables together in the front of the house to make them all look like it’s one big table everyone could sit at together.

Which feels like a possibility here with all the stuff we’re seeing and hearing.

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Is this dish from S5?

And are these the raviolos that Syd was trying to make in S2 and couldn’t get the dough right?

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So @metonimiah pointed out this is a shot from Sundae in S2.

Syd makes the dish and then tastes it and spits it out and ends up frustrated.

It’s an episode about inspiration and it ends with the Mavis Staples song I Like the Things About Me with the lyrics playing “I like the things about me that I once despised.”

I don’t think this dish is ever served in the restaurant?

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Are Carmy and Syd sitting at THAT table talking in the front of the house in that S5 teaser?

[otherworldlyfatevoyage]

first there´s shot of her sitting in front of richie and tina with them .

the only sydcarmy shot we got is : she is laughing behind carmen .

and I don´t know if u are talking about another new teaser

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No, I was thinking of the shots of Syd and Carmy smiling and you're right she's sitting across from Richie and Tina's next to her.

But remember this old promo pic (which I thought was fake at the time it was released)? Her scarf here isn't in any of the S5 trailers, either. So I think all of that was just BTS stuff.

[otherworldlyfatevoyage]

the probleme actually that they used this picture to promote s5 .

and to be honest with u , we will get a scene similar to that photo .

also the poster of s5 sydney wearing a headscarf , that she wore when she said to carmen I´m not ur babysitter .

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You always have to check Syd’s scarves. 🤣

I don’t know that I entirely trust what is being presented so far or in what order?

The digital clock ran backwards in the teaser that opened with the shot of the lightning.

Syd, in Worms, talks to TJ about how when things are great there it’s almost perfect?

And I keep thinking that we never get to actually see that? Instead, we mostly see things go wrong. It makes me think about different characters and their perceptions.

The service they have in S4 with Richie’s DeVry fake snow where Syd’s scallop gets praised and The Beef is served is probably the closest we get? But it almost plays out like a pure Richie fantasy.

The Beef sandwich is served alongside fine dining dishes similar to the pizza in Forks in S2. Richie’s DeVry schooling pays off. Everyone is happy and even he and Carmy get along. His favorite people from Ever are there.

Carmy does not participate fully in S2 or at Friends & Family. A lot of S3 is from Carmy’s perspective colored by his depression and trying to get a star.

S4 is Carmy starting to come out from under his depression and Syd coming into her own, but thinking of leaving and there’s also the money clock that runs out.

It appears they’re out of money but Ebra has a plan to franchise The Beef and here they all are wearing the The Berf t-shirts in the S5 trailer and looking happy.

Maybe it’s just as straightforward as that?

That would be a first.

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Me waking up way too early and seeing all the non-Bear stuff about Jeremy on Kimmel, hiking with Shanola with his shirt off, but when his shirt is on, he's wearing the same color as Ayo.