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20 - ex muslim

[xx-fadingaway-xx]

if islam was a religion of peace, people would be able to leave it without living in fear of being murdered, abused, disowned, and ostracized.

[uwubanners]

This user wants to rip off her hijab and start a new life away from her sexist family

[haramheathen]

ex muslim: having religion forced upon me from birth and having to live secretly as an ex muslim so i don’t get abused and disowned by my family is really difficult, causing me a lot of pain, destroying my life and taking away my freedom. the way ex muslims are treated is not okay and we need to talk about this because it needs to stop

tumblr muslims and sjw’s: islamophobia!!!! stop making islam look bad!!! islamophobia!!!!!!! but christians are bad too!!! islamophobia!!! just leave and get abused no one cares!!!!! islamophobia!!! muslims are oppressed so you can’t be since you left!!! islamophobia!!!

[xx-fadingaway-xx]

How to be a toxic parent starter pack

[haramheathen]

Imagine being able to decide for yourself if you want to follow a religion or not and if you do want to follow a religion, imagine having the ability to choose that for yourself..

Such a simple thing right? 

99% of ex muslims can’t do this without living in fear of being abused, disowned or murdered.

I’m so sick of this ‘religion of peace’ bullshit.

[bavaduzgi-blog]

Sunni Muslims need to stop calling MENA minorities and MENA Ex-Muslims/atheists “islamophobic” for adressing their persecution and their negatively personal experiences they’ve experience/d as a group. We are not in a position to have power over you and thus our “islamophobia” would have no meaning without this kind of power. Adressing our persecution is not islamophobia. Talking about our experiences and rightfully feeling uncomfortable is not islamophobia.

[islamissexist-deactivated202204]

Misogynistic verses in islam

RACISTS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS WILL BE BLOCKED

Everything is official material with interpretations from islamic sources. Enjoy and feel free to add/refer to this if needed. I have only included things I can source. Might add more in the future.

QURAN VERSES

4:11: Equal inheritence: “Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females.” 1 2 3

4:34: Men are in charge of women and women should be obedient and if they are not, strike them: “Men are in charge of women…righteous women are devoutly obedient…from whom you fear arrogance…strike them” 1 2 3 4

5:5 & 2:221: Men can marry a Christian or Jewish woman but a woman cannot  marry a Christian or Jewish man because men are the authority: 1 2 3 4 5

66:5: If muhammed’s wives are not good and obedient enough, allah will replace them: “…If he divorced you[wives], [Allah] would substitute for him wives better than you…”

33:59: Women should cover themselves(their awrah) to avoid male gaze: Awrah includes a women’s entire body(except hands and eyes) and women should cover it. 1 2 3 4 5 [Refer to my explanation of why these reasons are misogynistic]

24:31: Veil again

24:60: More modesty and covering

2:223: Women are men’s fields: “Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you.”

4:3: Multiple wives: “…marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four.” 1 2 3 4

33:37: allah specifically states it is okay to marry your adopted son’s ex-wife when muhammed goes for that: “So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them”

2:282: Two women witnesses equal one man witness because women make errors: “…And bring to witness two witnesses from among your men. And if there are not two men [avaible], then a man and two women from those whom you accept as witnesses- so that if one of the women errs, then the other can remind her.” 1 2 3

33:28-38: Extra punishment for muhammed’s wives for disobeying him and his insecurities of his wives

15:75: Lot(the one who killed gay men) offering his daughters to be raped if those men stopped being gay: “[Lot] said, “These are my daughters - if you would be doers” 1

5:6: Contact with women makes you unclean: “…[if] you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it” 1 2

65: Divorce is for men: Men can divorce for whatever reason but women need valid reasons and should be approoved by the court of men 1 2 3

4:15: If a woman is guilty of lewdness/adultery, punish her with a life-long sentence: 1 2

2:228: Men status being above women statuswise: “…men have a degree(authority) over them(women).” 1 

4:24: Having sex with female slaves is okay: Context:  “…[They] were reluctant to have relations with the female captives because of their pagan husbands. So, Allaah the exalted sent down the Qur’anic verse “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hand posses.” This is to say that they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.” 1 2

2:222: Mensturating women are seen as impure and cannot touch quran: Meaning is debated and it is said that it means “ritually impure”. “Semen” is the primary impurity islam refers to, so periods have the same value of impurity as semen. 1

[Multiple verses]: Men will be rewarded with beautiful virgins in paradise while women will be given to men: Verses are in links 1 2 3 4 5 

HADITHS

Excluded hadiths for being “unreliable” or no acces to online sources: Ibn Ishaq, Kanz al’Ummal, Al-Thirmidi, Tabari

muhammed hitting Aisha’s(his 9 year old wife) chest 

Women have intelligence deficiency

Best woman is the one who pleases her husband and is obedient

Woman wants to marry muhammed, he doesn’t like her so he marries her to someone else

Majority of hell is made up of women

Aisha says “women are created equal to donkeys and dogs”

Silence is consent

Sex is the best part of women

Women cannot be rulers

Pedophilia

Men can beat their wives without reason

Women are items to trade

Women cannot marry if a male guardian of hers is not approoving

^Again

^Again

People cannot prostrate(kneel) before any other human but if they could women would do it for their husbands

Raping female captives is okay (also context for 4:24)

Conquered Jewish village and took a man’s wife as a prize after killing him

Another slave of muhammed

muhammed taking another woman

Young women should cover

Women should cover again

Prayers won’t be accepted if you won’t wear a veil

Women cannot travel without a guardian

muhammed had special rules for more wives(9 or 11, debated)

9 wives again

Woman seeks help for abusive husband, muhammed does nothing

More woman beating

[islamissexist-deactivated202204]

On hijab and islamic veils

Hijab is celebrated as a symbol of empowerement for liberal feminism. And one question comes to mind: Why? Some answers I have gathered are:

“It is about the choice”

Yeah that’s nice that you can have a say in it sweetie but not everyone has that choice? There are muslim women whose families don’t want them wearing hijab because they want to look “modern”, there are muslim women who don’t want to wear it but are forced to, and there are questioning/nonbeliever women who are forced to wear it. Some of this pressure is created by society and some of it by actual laws, whether you want to wear it [x x x] or not [x x]. 

Some mulism women DO have a choice, and they speak over the ones oppressed by their families, societies or countries. Some women are KILLED or faced with death threats for not wearing a piece of cloth on their heads [x x x]. Is it really “feminism” to speak over the oppressed people just because you are not oppressed? I guess you can say it for liberal feminism since that’s all they do. Going after everyone who tells you that it isn’t always a choice isn’t feminism, especially if those people are exmuslim women.

You can argue that these people/countries are extremists. That doesn’t make these women’s suffering any less important. A gay guy can be loved by his family and friends. Just because an individual have good experiences means we have to stop the prides and scream how not-oppressed gay people are? The thing here is that choice is not given to women, the “choices” are there to control women and individual experiences are nothing compared to the big picture. Males use hijab as a way of power over females and just because some women have okay experiences does not give them the right to be ignorant towards females who suffer.

Hijab is also COMPULSORY for islam. Different translations are made to make it seem like it is a choice, however most islamic sources will agree that it is mandatory for a woman to cover her awrah. There are debates surrounding where awrah is for women but most scholars describe it as a woman’s entire body except her hands and face. I have asked whether hijab is mandatory or not to many different religious teachers and imams and they either directly said yes or gave open answers but still supported that I should wear it. Just because you cherry pick doesn’t mean it isn’t there. IT ISN’T A CHOICE IN THE FIRST PLACE, HOW IS THIS EMPOWERING?

And it won’t be empowering until not wearing it is a choice everywhere.

“It desexualizes me” / “People look into my personality this way”

But what about children? Prepubescent girls? I’ve seen girls as young as 6 wear full niqab. What does a 6 year old girl need to desexualize? Why does she need others to look into her personality instead of her looks? Does no one realize how creepy it is to make/encourage children to wear articles of clothing that are supposed to help not making men horny? 

Even if you say those children “consented”(because every little girl wants clothing limiting them), why do women need to desexualize themselves when the one that was sexualizing them are strictly men in the first place? How can it be a woman’s responsibility to make men look into her personality rather than her looks? Why is letting men see women as sexual objects and women going out of their way to cover themselves so they’d be respected as human being feminist?

It isn’t empowering or feminist to cater to males and accept them as horny beings and cover yourself for safety.

“I’m not a whore/Modesty/Other sexist statements”

Some women have so much internalized misogyny. I’m not going to refute them as it is blatant why thinking women who don’t wear the hijab are whores/sluts [x] or thinking hijab=modesty [x x] are both extremely misogynistic. It dehumanizes women who won’t wear it and the concept of modesty lowers the worth of other women who won’t conform to those standarts. 

Devaluing other women isn’t empowering or feminist. The very concept of modesty is anti feminist.

“It boosts my confidence”

That’s great! But it doesn’t make the meaning behind hijab any less misogynistic or it doesn’t erase the fact that some women are forced to it. Your individual self-esteem doesn’t make it feminist in the big picture.

“If women are allowed to strip naked, why shouldn’t they be allowed to cover up?”

I’m not arguing this. Of course you don’t have to strip naked to be a feminist. The problem isn’t the clothing or your right to wear it, the problem is that the meaning behind the hijab is to desexualize females so they won’t have male gaze on them instead of telling males to stop(I’m aware that quran tells men to lower their gaze, but that concludes their responsilibility whereas women are required to lower their gaze and be desexualized objects). Women have a right to cover themselves but women’s bodies have the right to not be treated as a sexual objects. Treating women’s bodies as a sexual object is shockingly not empowering.

Final statements: I want to clarify that I don’t want to take anyone’s right to wear any type of veil. I just argue that hijab isn’t feminist and shouldn’t be viewed that way. The meaning behind hijab and how some women are forced to wear it makes it impossible for it to be feminist and I’m tired of this being ignored. I don’t wish violence or unfair treatment to any hijabi women, I want women to stop ignoring these issues and stop saying that type of clothing is feminist.

If you have other reasons, I can debate them as well.

[din0saurs]

The thing I hate the most about Islam is the fear mongering. I feel so much freer now that I don’t believe in god. How can you scare me about Da'jjal and judgement day when there’s no proof and you’re not even sure? I was only 5 or 6 when I started being scared about death and judgement day. Don’t indoctrinate your kids to fear some boogieman with kuffar tattooed on his head at such a young age smh.

[26731279-deactivated20180223]

I greatly appreciate all the devout Muslims in my life who taught me real Islam. If it weren’t for people like my one of my old Quran teachers shamelessly telling me that 1 male witness is equal to 2 female witnesses because women are “confused, emotional, and can’t trust their memories”, I wouldn’t be the mean atheist I am today.

[first-female-prophet]

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[studyfanaaatic]

Ugh Muslim culture is literally the worst. There is nothing of value, nothing worth saving in that wretched mess.

[aunt-mimi]

Muslims believe they will be rewarded greatly if they covert someone into Islam and they will take any opportunity to make that happen including taking advantage of poor people’s desperation for basic needs. The video shows Muslims from Kuwait making the African girls (I don’t know which country) recite the shahada. The shahada basically means that they bear witness that there’s no god but allah, and that mohammad is his messenger.

Muslims see this as a victory and if you think they’re done with spreading Islam then you are wrong.

[freemymind4rtpop]

​This is just wrong in so many levels. I'm disgusted.

[26731279-deactivated20180223]

I was talking to this Norwegian guy who said something I found very relevant as an ex-Muslim.

I told him I was an atheist, and he was struggling to say that he still considers me to be a Muslim, because “isn’t that like when a Jewish person leaves Judaism and they’re still Jewish?”

I then explained to him that i.e. Ashkenazi Jews who leave Judaism are indeed still ETHNICALLY Jewish, but that Muslim isn’t an ethnicity.

What he was really getting at, though, is that he racializes people from Muslim-majority countries as “Muslim”. Which is, again, different than actually existing as an ethnic Jew.

As ex-Muslims living in the West, we can never truly escape Islam and Muslims due to this racialization from racist idiots.

[haramheathen]

Liberal western Muslim: Ex Muslims can leave Islam it’s their choice. They can leave whenever they want!. I don’t know what they’re problem is they are just lost, misguided, lead astray, they don’t understand the religion properly! They need to leave and then just shut up no one cares about them anyway.

Ex Muslim: i was abused by my family for leaving Islam. I still haven’t left because my family will abuse and disown me. I’m worried for my emotional and physical safety. I don’t agree with how ex Muslim women are treated. Here are some things in the Quran that are sexist and misogynistic and how they are causing problems and affecting us emotionally and mentally while Islamic rules are being forced upon us growing up. Here are ways we can change how we are treated. We need a reform. Here’s why i left Islam. I’m going to speak out about this issue that other ex Muslims continue to face because we are being denied human rights and treated like dirt for leaving Islam. I need the world to listen to the truth about how we are treated by the Muslim community and our families because it needs to change.

Liberal western Muslim: Stop bashing Islam!!! Stop being Islamophobic!!! You’re making Islam and Muslims look really bad we already are discriminated against!! I don’t care if you are marginalized too and treated worse by our community and face the same discrimination you don’t matter as much because you’re not Muslim anymore so stop making Islam look bad!! Islam is perfect!! It’s a religion of peace!!! Islam is a feminist religion that respects women!!! Blame culture!!! Stop making Islam look bad! You’re lying!

Ex Muslim: I don’t want to suffer anymore. I just want to live. 

Liberal western Muslim: ISLAMOPHOBIC!!!! 

[mahamara]

If there is a god - and god is perfect (and good), then god would want me to be a good person for it’s own sake. God wouldn’t be the kind of being that would punish me for not believing when there is no evidence - that’s psychotic.

(via mahamara)

[thottavadi-deactivated20180127]

i honestly think leaving islam is harder than converting into it

[haramheathen]

You can get abused, disowned, kicked out and murdered for leaving islam but if you want to convert into it you’re welcome with open arms. That’s a true ‘religion of peace’ right there.