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I’d have trust issues too
Wukong: What great immortal will teach me The Way so I might extend my life??
Patriarch Subhodi: The BETTER question is- are you a Narc? 🤨🕶️🤏
Im spitballing here
Finishing bl4ck myth, I'm having difficulty reaching a verdict but I guess the closest one i have rn that DO and Wuk0ng are def connected but I dont think they're the same person. Idk how the order of their world works but Wuk0ng felt like an unstoppable force; more man than monkey born with an innate desire for greatness, from king to immortal to great sage. DO felt different, more monkey than man trying to build himself for something he wasn't sure his body could handle. This isnt to say one is stronger than the other, it feels like Wuk0ng's effect was so strong and lingered so much that that innate desire for something bigger than just a simple life on a mountain rippled through generations. It feels like a driving force outside of the relics that originated from Wuk0ng constantly travelling from vessel to vessel (not exactly his soul), not out of vengeance or need to be great but just to experience life again and again in the most explosive way possible and refresh that ripple every once in a while.
Okay, for those just joining in on the convo - this is my own interpretation and not meant to offend anyone. If your own ideas of Black Myth Wukong differ you're free to believe them, this is just my thoughts and my own ideas being shared!
I really like the way you worded how Wukong feels to you - like more man than monkey - because it's honestly true! The original story is all about how he becomes exactly that. Wukong starts out the story as a monkey living in paradise with no desire to improve or change until he has his existential crisis about death and that leads him onto the path of Self Cultivation. That's what the whole journey west is, an allegory for practicing Buddhist (and to a lesser degree, Taoist) beliefs and turning yourself into a greater being.
Yaoguai's who do this end up becoming more human looking the further along their journey they go, until they're able to give themselves a complete human form even! So I think you're right on the money with describing him like that, he grew and changed to become something unstoppable and, as the Buddha himself described in chapter 58, "...is able to alter the course of planets and stars." He is a being literally able to change destiny if he doesn't like it.
Now where my interpretation changes from yours is in how I see the Destined One. From what I understand of your interpretation, you think he's someone trying to build himself up to be a hero like Wukong but isn't actually him, rather just an individual trying to emulate him. Is that correct?
My own thoughts is that he is Wukong, or at least a part of him. Now full disclosure, I don't trust the Old Monkey who follows us through the journey. Do I think he's evil? No. But I don't think he's being entirely honest either, or at least - he thinks he's being honest but he doesn't actually know much more than we, the audience, do about what's going on.
The Old Monkey is the one who sets the DO off on his journey by telling him to collect the six relics that make up Wukong.
Eyes, Ears, Nose, Tongue, Body, and Mind.
These six pieces are actually part of Buddhism, the five senses and your soul that make you who are. Throughout the game you gather each of the five senses and are quite literally rebuilding Wukong's body - and even using it as your own. You get special perks and powers from each piece you gather, but every person you talk to in the game says that these pieces have so much power, so much raw energy, that they can't use them at all. The best they can do is enshrine them or hide them away, because trying to use the power from such a small piece of Wukong is too overwhelming.
And yet the Destined One can use them all with no issue.
Now, where my beef with the Old Monkey comes in has to do with the final stage. We enter the stone left over from Wukong and find memories. His memories. All his triumphs and embarrassments and mistakes and feelings. We quite literally sail through his life and it's here that the Old Monkey contradicts himself.
He reveals to Bajie that DO is Wukong's Mind, the last piece of the puzzle needed to bring the Stone Monkey back, and Bajie doesn't believe him at first. They talk a little more about Wukong's life - the Old Monkey is particularly scolding and harsh about Wukong's past (and it's so frustrating to not be able to stand up for him, at least for me) and then the Old Monkey says that Wukong is gone. He is gone, his Mind was lost when he split into the relics, never to return and that whatever happens after this will not actually be the Wukong from 500 years past.
Now I have two issues with this -
Just minutes before the Old Monkey said that DO is Wukong's Mind. His soul, essentially. Now he's flipping the script and saying that Wukong's Mind had been lost long ago. These are two very conflicting statements that either point to the Old Monkey not having any idea what he's talking about, or he's purposefully misleading everyone on what the actual truth is.
And second, no one is the same person they were before. Just in the time it took me to write all this out I am a different person than I was when I started. Every moment you spend alive you are growing and changing and feeling. Of course the Wukong who is going to awaken isn't the same one from 500 years ago! If DO is actually his soul and has been redoing this journey multiple times for 500 years as the game itself says he has been, then that means when DO "becomes" Wukong, he's got multiple lifetimes of new memories to sort through, but he's still Wukong.
And that's why the Stone Monkey and the Broken Shell are such important fights -
The Stone Monkey is Wukong's base impulses and feelings. His desires to eat and survive and live comfortably, as all living beings want. (This is what Bajie even represented in the original story, the base desires of man to eat, drink, sleep, and mate. This is why he acts the way he does.)
The Broken Shell is a physical embodiment of all his memories - his past lives, not just one. I believe the normal ending supports this as it shows a sequence of DO falling to his knees and accepting the gold fillet be put upon his head once more as he falls asleep - another collection of memories to add to the ever growing stone on the mountain top until a new DO pops out of it and is sent on his way by the Old Monkey. Even during the final fight, the second cutscene that leads to Broken Shell's second phase - you see him take the pieces of Wukong from DO into himself, making him a literal frozen in time Wukong with memories of all his lives but no soul. DO is the missing piece that needs to join them all together so they can be whole again.
And in the True Ending, this is what I believe happens. DO finally merges with the pieces of his body, his base impulses and desires, and his memories. The way the cutscenes ends is him smirking and opening his eyes as his past lives come back to him - and we cut immediately to the best goddamn animated short in the game, Unfinished, which is Journey to the West but backwards. The game ends with him in his empty Water Curtain Cave, no gold fillet chaining him down, as he turns and walks into the daylight.
This is such a beautiful consensus to DO and gives him so much more purpose and character rather than just the "go get wukongs relics"/"ok" monkey that I'm seeing go around truly this squeezes my heart in some kind of feel-good sorrow🩷🩷🩷
From chinestudy dot com: 此地无银三百两 (cǐ dì wú yín sān bǎi liǎng) literally means “There’s no 300 taels of silver buried here.”
It describes a person who tries too hard to hide something, and ends up making it more obvious.
SUNTANG WEEK... FINAL... DAY..... SILVER...... I was soooo stuck with this, which i guess explains why it took me so long to draw it T___T thank you so much for organising this fun event!!
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"You stepped out of the fucking circle I made to protect you, didn't you, master?"
---------------------- I did this meme to prove that I am alive :D
A conversation in the Shao Opera, The Monkey King Strikes the White Bone Demon, 1960. Link has the full opera with English subtitles! This is the first Chinese opera I really got into. The lead actor is Liu Ling Tong, the father of the man who played Sun Wukong in the 1986 TV series, and one of the most famous monkey king opera actors of his time. He was known for playing Sun Wukong with attention to portraying monkey behaviours. I can definitely see the influences from this film in subsequent animations and TV shows.
For me, this opera has everything - vibrant costumes and sets, good plot and writing, amazing actors, great songs and fight scenes. I especially like the fun, familiar dynamic between the main characters, and the lighthearted but simultaneously down-to-earth way Sun Wukong is portrayed here. It reminds me a bit of my grandparents' generation, and what optimism, resilience and connection looks like for them. For those new to Chinese opera, you probably would need to adjust to the different dramatic conventions and the way suspension of disbelief works here, but I find the acting so expressive I really think it could be easy to appeciate for anyone.
Also of note is that this opera was performed in the Shaoxing dialect. Shaoxing dialect is one of the Wu Chinese languages (distinct from both Mandarin and Cantonese), also sometimes referred to collectively as Shanghainese. I used to live in Shanghai and heard similar dialects a lot in daily life, it's very much a living language even though it's less well-known.
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Monks are outlawed in the country ahead; master and disciples try on new clothes to sneak through. From Journey to the West 1986 Episode 23, although this exact scene is often cut from versions of the episode. I enjoyed watching them dressing up and coming up with aliases. Video Description under the cut:
The introduction of The Monkey King Conquers the Demon (1985), by Shanghai Animation Film Studio. (The link has the full video with English subtitles) Beautiful animation and background art, and unique, creepy atmosphere. I think it's JTTW with elements of a ghost story. I remember being incredibly scared of parts of this as a child.
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Day 4 : Golden
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Golden Cicada and Golden Circlet
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Aw dang it
Looks the same to me
Green for day 1 of suntang week... I'm thinking I'll do all of it with illegally bound suntang hehehe. Wukong has dormant monkey genes he can climb anything meanwhile xuanzang has 0 stamina
Red for day two ♥️ first of the many violent rescue missions
doing day 4 golden before day 3 black because flb's brilliant labubu idea just could not be delayed TOT xuanzang is i think susceptible to hype and collectibles and cute accessories
also some marriage themed art because duh
Day 3 black tie! The duo is at a fancy shmancy fundraising party and xuanzang has not yet learned the lesson that it's best to let wukong lurk around the corners instead of forcing him to speak to potential donors
Wukong takes some petty revenge by activating unhinged storytime mode but it ends up backfiring as the donors think his successful rehabilitation all the more miraculous and are filled with a newfound confidence in xuanzang's methods
And to top it all off wukong doesn't even get to lead</3