I’ve made this blog so I can call out r/systemscringe. They complain about people spreading misinformation when actually they also spread misinformation and gate-keep what systems should experience.
I’m also happy to call out other fakeclaimers too, along with receiving asks about ridiculous fakeclaimers.
My boundaries are simple - no endos or supporters, no TRASH and systemscringe members can interact with caution. I block freely.
If I get anything drastically wrong, I don’t mind asks or reblogs correcting me
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How to send asks in:
Please don’t link posts, just screenshot specific bits and censor any identifiable information - usernames, profile pictures etc.
Asks complaining about endos and radqueer/transids are appreciated if you want to rant at me
No “reasons why syscringe would hate us” asks as they get very repetitive - feel free to send stupid reasons for fakeclaiming though.
Person at top of screenshot is someone different to the one at the bottom.
Yet another case of US defaultism. Just because it’s not in the DSM doesn’t mean it isn’t a medically recognised disorder.
The ICD, where Partial DID is found, is a valid diagnostic manual. It is literally made by the World Health Organisation. WHO is most widely regarded as the foremost global authority on public health. It is generally a trusted and credible source.
Not to mention that Partial DID also has its own unique criteria separate to that of OSDD (although it would fall under OSDD technically if being diagnosed from the DSM).
Not everything has to be in the DSM in order to be a valid diagnosis.
Apparently alters aren't allowed boundaries or to not want to talk about stuff...
Someone on syscringe was complaining that their ex (bf at the time) would ask them to not talk about money, politics and news when a child alter was fronting.
I do think that if the child alter is an emotional part (EP) then that does make sense. EPs often exist in a way that means that they only really remember the trauma, or to react to a situation. They often are not as functional as an apparently normal part (ANP). Which means that they are often not equipped to deal with normal life, such as budgeting money or talking politics. That doesn't mean they can't be - each system does function differently - but it is the case a lot of the time from what I've read.
I feel like some people often forget that even if alters are (in technicality) parts of a whole, they do perceive stuff differently, meaning that they will have at least slightly different boundaries from each other a lot of the time. It's not that hard to not do something if asked to by someone, each alter having boundaries just means you might need to check in before doing something just in case an alter who has a stronger boundary there is in front. I'm not saying that everyone has to automatically pick up on switches or anything, just that if you know someone with a CDD you may need to check in more on things involving boundaries.
And honestly, you should check in with anyone (with or without a CDD) before doing something that could push a boundary so that you don't break their boundary.
Sorry if some of that doesn't make sense, I just got out an exam and am dissociated as fuck...
Hiya!! I hope I don't come off as mean or anything, but you described having photosensitivity resulting in headaches, which is more of an umbrella term encompassing all types of photosensitivity.
But, there is a specific term to describe photosensitivity originating from conditions like migraines and whatnot that could be useful and prevent anyone in the future from mixing up the types of photosensitivity and where they apply.
Skin photosensitivity, which includes phototoxicity, photoallergy, or underlying conditions such as lupus.
Neurological photosensitivity, more commonly known as photosensitive epilepsy, from flashing or patterned lights.
Ocular Photosensitivity, more commonly known as Photophobia, where the light hurts your eyes and/or causes a headache, which includes Migraines, ADHD, Traumatic Brain Injuries, Cluster Headaches, etc.
Sorry for the random infodump, but I've seen so many people with migraine conditions like myself not even realize we actually do have a separate term to describe our photosensitive experiences separate from the others.
But anyway, I love the blog! I appreciate you calling out and exposing those people's bullshit. Take care!
No. 100% of people with Tourettes have vocal tics. It’s part of the diagnostic criteria. You must have at both vocal and motor tics for at least a year typically starting before adulthood. Source.
Complex vocal tics (ie words/sentences) could be what they’re referring to but I’ve got no clue.
“One clinician” isn’t really a lot to go off - it needs to be peer reviewed at least and for more people to actively be researching it and coming to the same conclusion.
“TikTok tics” and “beans” immediately makes me think they’re referring to Evie Meg. She is diagnosed with PANDAS and Tourettes. She’s not exactly someone to use as someone to put in a study on people faking Tourettes.
Honestly. These people need to actually do research before posting.
I actually can’t with this. There’s a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why the ping highlight hurts someone’s eyes.
Photosensitive conditions.
I’m personally a chronic tension type headache haver. It’s photosensitive for me. It means that getting pinged on discord can sometimes make it worse. And yes. The sun does hurt my eyes. It doesn’t necessarily stop me going outside. But it does make it a pain in the arse to do so as I have to wear sunglasses and still often am in pain.
“Why do these people say ‘I never tell anyone about my DID’ but also post 200 times a day about it?” <- paraphrasing of something someone on syscringe said.
There’s a difference between not telling anyone you have DID and posting online about your experiences with it. Not telling anyone you have DID often means “I haven’t told anyone IRL that I have DID”. And posting about it online often gives a layer of anonymity that means you can talk about it without revealing any other personal information about yourself.
Yes, the fact someone has DID is personal information about themself, but when they’re sharing it, often with no other personal information than maybe their country and age, it’s really hard to track down who the one posting about it is.
That is tons better than going “Hi, I’m John Smith and I live at 10 Downing Street in London, I was born on 01/01/2000 and my national insurance number is AA012345B, and here’s all my diagnoses.” though, because it’s revealing a lot less information.
Also just because someone hasn’t told anyone IRL that they suspect DID doesn’t mean they’re automatically faking. It often means they just don’t have the safe space to be able to do that in. Which is the case for a lot of people who have been in abusive and/or traumatising situations.
So yeah, it’s ok to have not told anyone you suspect/have DID while also posting about it, because one is an extremely personal thing and the other is done with a good layer of anonymity.
Was discussing this abhorrent syscringe take with my friend, and they helped me realise that actually people with DID are in an oppressed group. While it's not an oppressed group by itself, it is often inherently a disability (especially when someone is early-treatment). And disabled people are oppressed.
This surprises me considering that they think DID means you have to be in a psych ward and actively about to commit suicide, which I think that would be considered disabled, and hence oppressed.
Not sure you’ll see this .. but there’s a petition going around to get rid of r/system cringe!!! https://www.change.org/p/shut-down-r-systemcringe-for-good
Hi yeah thanks!
Not sure much will come of it - there has been petitions in the past from what I've gathered that didn't end up getting anywhere. It's a good thing to try and do though, because it's definitely not a good sub to be up. But so long as it complies with Reddit's ToS and the sub rules are enforced, Reddit has no reason to take it down unfortunately.
I'm all for people signing it if they want though! Something might be done if we're lucky.
Yes, syscringe spreads better information than that of the endo community, I can’t deny that. But they still fakeclaim people for things that are documented.
They think having a high number of alters, having fictives and having non-human alters are faking, among other things. All of these things are documented.
I think the biggest issue they have with fictives is that people online are talking about how they went through stress/trauma and split, causing them to gain a fictive from recent media. Doesn’t make the fictive or system any less valid just because they formed from more recent media. If it’s what people are watching currently, then of course a system going through sufficient stress/trauma could split and that alter could latch onto a character from that media.
It’s not that this didn’t happen before, it’s just that people have the internet and ability to share that it is happening.
Yes. Trauma is so heavily involved in DID and the other CDDs, but they fall under the dissociative disorders category in both the ICD and DSM. The main symptoms of the disorder are the dissociative symptoms. Alters are effectively dissociative compartmentalised senses of self. They cannot exist without the dissociation.
And yes. Dissociation (in the disordered sense) is a response to stress and/or trauma. But that doesn’t mean the core value of a CDD is the trauma, because it isn’t, it’s the dissociation.
hey, question because i only really see it discussed on sc and they're.. not exactly having a good rep of being correct.
what like, ''counts" as enough trauma? can something that is technically less traumatic be highly traumatic if combined with other disabilities (ie autism)?
i know sc says that you have to be #1 most traumatised human to have a dissociative disorder but i have a lot of symptoms of it but not the typical trauma for it so??? dunno (tbf i might just have psychosis & the dissociation might be part of it, not diagnoses with either though)
Oh boy this is a good question! I'm gonna forewarn this by saying that I am not a medical professional and have only done research based off what I have access to as some stuff is locked to people studying at university. This post will also be quite long so gonna put a cut here! A good chunk of it is a video explanation, my apologies, it just felt an important addition.
TLDR for the post:
Doesn't really matter what causes the trauma, just that the trauma happens, is chronic and the child dissociates. Disabilities may reduce tolerance levels, leading to less trauma needed to reach the point of dissociation.
What "counts" as enough trauma to get a CDD? Honestly, I don't entirely know, and I don't know how good a grip professionals have for it either. However, there are a few things that I do know regarding what trauma can cause CDDs.
The ICD itself states "onset of Dissociative Identity Disorder is most commonly associated with traumatic experiences, especially physical, sexual, and emotional abuse or childhood neglect." and "Dissociative Identity Disorder is commonly associated with serious or chronic traumatic life events, including physical, sexual or emotional abuse. " This itself says that basically any form of abuse or neglect is associated with DID itself (and therefore likely the other CDDs). I do believe medical abuse/neglect also count within this. But that only really covers the "types" of traumatic experiences, and not the other stuff that leads to the formation of a CDD.
As I stated above, the ICD says that DID is associated with "serious or chronic" traumatic life events (you'll see why I'm making the "or" bold in a minute). What is said there, means that it can't just be one event of a parent hitting a child, but that it has to be of a "serious" nature or a "chronic" nature.
Now I can't find any information as to what "serious" is in the context of trauma, and I asked my friend who is currently studying CDDs at university and what they said was "tldr, if it is traumatic and repetitive to a child, repetitive is the important part". So basically, if a child finds a situation traumatic and it is repetitive enough that the child dissociates as a way to cope, then they could form a CDD. A child has to have dissociation in their coping set as they are going through the trauma, and it has to be before the age of integration of ego states (which I think is around 8-11) in order to form a CDD.
There's also the thing to remember that a child is going to have less coping mechanisms and stress tolerance than an adult would as well. The CTAD clinic on youtube explains it really well. Video is linked there, but I will summarise it now as well. It's a mix of tolerance sizes and why/how alters are formed.
Basically, if you think of "stress tolerance" as being a glass, when you're a toddler that glass is small, so think the size of a shot glass, and as you grow up and gain coping skills and more tolerance to stuff, your glass grows so when you're a child (say 5-7 ish) your glass can hold around 1 cup (230ml), and as a teen it grows to 3 cups (690ml) and by the time your an adult, it is a full jug of water (so probably around say 8.5 cups (2 litres).
Now obviously, if you take a stressor that might fill up a toddler's glass and pour it into an adult's glass, they're not going to notice it as much due to a shot glass being around 1-2% of their tolerance. It might need a minute or two of space to sort out, but they have the tolerance and coping skills to deal with it.
Now take that same stressor and put it in child's glass, while it still doesn't fill up the glass it is around 10-20% of their tolerance so it will affect them much greater than it affected the adult, however they will likely still have the ability to cope with it.
Now, if we take the child's glass, and they experience a bit of trauma, then the glass fills up a bit but they still have room to cope, but if that happens every day or every week for an extended period of time then they get less and less space to cope until their glass is continuously overflowing, which is what's called "complex trauma" and it often causes some sort of disorganised attachment with caregivers. This is often when dissociation occurs as the child has no other ability to cope with the trauma.
When this dissociation occurs, it allows the trauma and stress to be held in different glasses to their own, in different parts of the brain, aka the ego states which will then develop as alters. And even when the child grows up and gains more tolerance, the other glasses never leave, and more may come if the child goes through more trauma that overwhelms them and the other alters again.
That wasn't a short summary, my apologies, but I hope it explain some stuff to a degree. The way I interpret it is that it doesn't necessarily matter what the trauma is, just so long as it overwhelms the child's ability to cope, meaning that the ego states have to take on the trauma and dissociative barriers get formed.
I've not touched on the "combined with other disabilities" bit yet, but from what I have researched, disabilities can affect the likelihood that a child forms a CDD. People with disabilities, mainly going to be referencing neurodevelopmental disabilities here, often have less tolerance to begin with due to the way their brain works. So that means that their "glass size" is going to be slightly smaller to begin with, or some of their glass is already filled with the day to day struggles of their disability.
This then results in less space to cope with additional trauma or stressors, so therefore means less trauma might be required for them to reach the point of complex trauma and dissociation. However, like I said at the start of my post I am not a professional and may have got this slightly wrong (if anyone knows anything that goes against what I have said feel free to lmk and I can correct it).
So no, you don't have to be "#1 traumatised person" like what syscringe likes to imply a lot.
Hope this helped, sorry if it was a bit long or overwhelming, I might have missed some bits out but it should be good enough.
Ok. Yeah. Some of us do go back and share stuff with friends. But it’s not in that sense at all. Often, my friends and I do debate what was said and the psychology behind it. It’s done in the sense of “what was said about this that is correct, but also what is wrong about it”.
One of the favourite things my friend (🐦⬛) does is that if anyone is having any doubts at all, they aren’t immediately “no you’re good you do have it”. 🐦⬛ helps to discuss why someone is doubting it, and reminds them that it’s okay to have got it wrong if they have, but that no one can know until there has been an official assessment done. And honestly. It’s so much more helpful than blindly validating it.
But yeah. To just assume that people read stuff that is being posted and immediately go to ask for validity, is just wrong. I do look at the stories and often criticise the way they’re being spread, though.
I don’t deny what people have gone through, but the stories that are spread there often reinforce the “you must be entirely dysfunctional and have no obvious symptoms” mindset that fdc and syscringe often portray.
The ICD literally states that “if functioning is maintained, it is only through significant additional effort”. Therefore someone doesn’t have to be entirely dysfunctional in order to have a disorder. The only thing is that they must show some difficulty in maintaining that functioning.
So yeah. Overall. No. We don’t immediately seek validation, we look at and criticise what is being said while looking to see what is also correct.
Something that I’ve noticed syscringe going on a lot about recently is the whole “alters are not separate people”. Which is true, alters are dissociated senses/parts of self. However they don’t seem to want to apply any nuance whatsoever to that, and that really bugs me because of a whole lot of reasons.
For one, the ICD states that “changes in personality state are accompanied by related alterations in sensation, perception, affect, cognition, memory, motor control, and behaviour” (alongside amnesia) for DID. As well as, in the general description for DID it says “each personality state includes its own pattern of experiencing, perceiving, conceiving and relating to self, the body and the environment.”
When these two are interpreted together, it means that each alter in a system can have different likes/dislikes, different opinions, different political views etc. So yes, while alters are not literally separate people, it can entirely feel like it is due to these different perceptions of stuff.
This also means that some alters may really like person “X”, meanwhile other alters despise “X”. It can mean that they will interact with “X” in different ways, or entirely avoid them. It doesn’t give the alters who despise “X” an excuse to hurt or be rude to “X”, but it does provide an explanation for why they may avoid or interact less with “X”.
Overall, “alters aren’t separate” people is true, but nuance needs to be applied because people with the disorder often do feel to some degree like their alters are different people, and each alter may have different boundaries that need respecting. Yes, in long term healing (primarily when aiming for final fusion), they need to come to the understanding that they are not separate people, but there can be that understanding while still respecting them as having different perceptions, boundaries etc.
It also doesn’t give systems the excuse to go “oh but John was fronting and he hates you so that’s why we called you slurs and harassed you”, you still have to take accountability for what other alters did, especially if it has caused harm. It doesn’t matter if you remember doing it or not, if it came from your body or account then you need to take accountability for what happened.
Hope all that makes sense and came out in the way I intended it.
Finally going through my asks - most of these asks are old, sorry gang, I've been dealing with stuff irl and have exams coming up!
Feel free to send more in if you have anything to say, can't promise I'll answer too quickly though, life takes priorities over this blog of course.
Also, if you're seeing this post this is your reminder to go get a drink, water preferably but anything counts, or to at least stop/pause the scrolling to go get one useful thing done, can just be a two minute thing of putting something in the bin (unless ofc you just opened the app lmao)
Anywho answering asks time!
Edit: even though this post is queued I'm gonna add now that I got hit by a big wave of dissociation after I made this so might not get many done
I hate fakeclaimers. No I don't want to show you our medical papers that private info I wouldn't even give to my friends. And please for the sake of pancakes stop asking for my trauma!
Literally! No one owes any proof of anything to anyone. The only people who needs to know your diagnoses are your therapist, doctor and your significant other (especially if you're planning to marry them). No one else needs to have proof of anything. Don't let people bully you into giving away private information like that.
