Trinity Santos (The Pitt) vs. Rose Quartz / Pink Diamond (Steven Universe)
Trinity Santos
Rose Quartz / Pink Diamond
Remaining time: 6 days 21 minutes
Propaganda below the cut:
Trinity Santos:
People hate her because she’s prickly and mean but like. If she was a guy she would be the MOST beloved blorbo.
She doesn't have softening feminine characters traits, she's abrasive and cocky, she has sexual trauma and thinks the way to get over that is bury her feelings, so people fucking hate her even though those are traits they LOVE in male characters
All of her character traits (snarky, cocky, brooding but with a secret heart of gold) which would be lauded in a male character are treated as defects by fandom. She also gets hate for reporting the drug abuse and theft of a white male fave (Langdon), who exhibits all those same traits but is loved for them.
She's got it all! A snarky, cocky princess who is putting on a blustering facade despite all her secret self-loathing, and despite how much she pretends to not care, is just brimming with empathy.
She's treated like either the devil for being slightly rude (when the male characters are just as bad), or as the one-dimensional lesbian friend propping up a M/M ship
She's funny, she's smart, she's the jerk with a heart of gold archetype, she's experienced abuse and doing her best to advocate for her patients, she's a lesbian, what's not to love?
consistently called evil and a cunt and had people wish misogynistic violence on to her (ie. wanting a male character to "put her in her place", often violently) for being a woman who has trouble connecting with her peers and is blunt and arrogant and yes often rude due to past trauma
she also does have a softer side, especially for children or people who are left behind by society
she was kinda rude to a guy and also got him suspended (not even fired!) for stealing benzos from the hospital, which he was doing
beautiful butch lesbian and also 1/2 of the only canon ship, which is of course toxic yuri
She gets so much hate for doing the same shit the men do
First of all, both the fandom and the creators center all the men in this show so heavily, to the point where when the women are mentioned it appears so tokenistic. The men get all the depth and the sad sad backstories (fanon more than canon in this case) that explain why they're behaving like assholes for entire seasons while someone like Santos, who canonically has been through her fair share of intensely traumatic situations, is clearly just a bitch. My god, when will she get fired for her attitude? But oh Robby is just yelling at all the women on his staff cause he's suicidal :((
The things that I've seen about Santos are so intensely vile, and on every single social media platform to boot. There's a scene in the new season where we see her pocket a scalpel set, which in conjunction with another scene that shows her sh scars is supposed to show the fact that this shift has been so fucking awful for her she is considering relapsing. Guess what I saw fans focusing on instead? The fact that she stole from the hospital, the same thing she tried to get Langdon fired for. Why isn't she being fired?
I think it's the fact that her personality is that prickly and that she has flaws that are that obvious on one hand that has made her so abhorrent to so many viewers of the pitt (when the same personality and flaws turn men into blorbos and favourite "morally grey" characters), but it's also just… Blatantly lesbophobic. The other women in the show, while also victim to a fair deal of misogyny, both don't have as difficult a personality as Santos, but they're also all linked with men in the show. You can flatten out their flaws because you have the chance to ship them with a man. You can understand them better because you can put yourself in their shoes as you ship them with a man. This is something that is just not possible with Santos. I'm not expressing myself the best with this point, but I hope the gist of it comes across (and obviously, no hate to any of the shipping!! It's all in good fun and I support everyone's right to do whatever the hell they want, this is fandom, I just think its worthwhile to consider the implications of things that might not appear inherently harmful every once in a while)
Moderator's note: This ask is also Trinity Santos propaganda but it's really long and tumblr refused to post it, so I'm linking it instead.
Rose Quartz / Pink Diamond:
For quite a while she was seen as perfect bean. When the big reveal happen then she wast just seen as evil dictator abuser who lied to everyone. Also was seen very weirdly in very extreme ways as a body positivity icon.
She was an amazingly complex character who lived a very difficult life but the fandom couldn't handle such a gray character. I love her and thinks she deserve the recognition of being one the best written characters by Rebecca Sugar instead of cringe.
Oh wah wah she used to be an evil dictator who colonised other planets and on an interpersonal level treated almost everyone in her life badly. sorry you can't stand to see a girlboss winning.
For a character who's already dead at the start of the show and who we only ever see through flashbacks, Rose manages to be one of the most fascinating, dynamic, and complex characters in the whole show. It's so interesting getting to dig into her worldview and how her backstory impacted her, and her early appearances are made even more fascinating on rewatch, when they're recontextualised by the twist of her actually being Pink Diamond. Which, by the way, I do think is one of the all time great TV twists - the kind of perfect twist that catches you completely off guard in the moment but in hindsight you realise was obvious all along
people act like she's the true villain of the show like- they'll say she's the worst of the diamonds when all the other diamonds ABUSED her and had WAY more power and influence than she did!!
rose did end up hurting so many people around her but that's because she was so abused that she thought anything she did didn't matter at all. to paraphrase rebecca sugar, she thought she was so powerless, that she's actually very powerful.
people often point out her arc was shown in reverse, and chronologically, she went from a young immature diamond who threw tantrums, to a rose who hid hurtful truths and did everythint she could to uplift others because she was so inspired by them. she thought she could never change, which is why she hurt so many people, but she DID change! it was this mindset that caused her to give up her physical form for steven to exist, which so many people DON'T UNDERSTAND that it's SUICIDE. they BLAME her for being a bad mother (she never got to be a mother) and for shoving all her problems onto steven (she wasn't aware how her death would devastate the gems or that homeworld would return). she's hurt many people, but she's blamed for things that were either out of her control or the fault of others. she really is the final boss of misunderstood female characters
Dear gods where do I start….
So many people view Pink/Rose through a twisted lens because we see her story in reverse order in the show. The first time she is introduced it is after she has gone through her entire journey, she's made all her mistakes and learned to live- and as the story goes further we see more of who she used to be and as such see Rose's progression in reverse. If her story were to be presented in chronological order essentially all of the hate towards her would probably vanish overnight and it would be used as an example of a great story arc within fiction.
And so what if she's selfish sometimes- is that suddenly a crime?? Is her choosing to be with Greg a betrayal to Pearl? Or is it the same thing that she'd been doing for centuries and he just happened to be a little more special than all of the others? and also she does NOT owe her love and affection towards anyone. Pearl is allowed to love Rose all she wants but it is not a crime when that love is no longer reciprocated or felt to the same degree it once was.
Rose Tico (Star Wars) vs. Piper McLean (The Heroes of Olympus / Riordanverse)
Rose Tico
Piper McLean
Remaining time: 6 days 21 minutes
Propaganda below the cut:
Rose Tico:
They harassed the actress off of social media and made burning action figures of her a spectator sport, an incredibly popular YouTuber turned calling fat and ugly into a running gag.
She’s a nice girl who just wants to help and has a lot of anger in her heart because poor people like her are treated like crap!
I mean… we were all there, right? People threw such a big fit about her mere existence that it actually genuinely changed the American political landscape for the worse (and got her basically written out of the next movie)
She literally didn't do anything wrong. Not in an "my favorite character can do no wrong" kind of way, I just mean it's been almost ten years and I still don't know what those dudes were actually mad about. And she's cute and nice and I liked her!
The shit that happened with rose pisses me off beyond belief to this day actually and I don't even gaf about star wars anymore. The fact that not only did she get such a misogynistic and racist backlash to the point of people harassing her actress but that the films themselves capitulated to this and she was completely absent in the next film. Makes me see red fr
Seen as a threat to the finnpoe slash shippers so ofc they lashed out
She was set up like she'd be part of the main crew! She could've been such a fun addition! But fanboys threw a massive tantrum over her character and harassed her actress to the point that Disney caved and drastically reduced her role in the final movie. Disney capitulating to the complaints about her absolutely boils my blood - I don't want to make this too much about the harassment the actress faced, since bringing real people into it isn't fair to the other girl, but it really felt like Disney ended up indirectly endorsing the bullying she received by both not pushing back against it and giving them what they wanted.
Piper McLean:
fandom HATES her for being mildly sometimes annoying. they act like shes killed puppies when her greatest crime is being a girl and a bit annoying. fandom literally adores a man who's actually hurt innocent children but dog piles her for being a 'pick me' just because she is unhappy with the gender roles assigned to her EVEN THOUGH SHE DOES NOT WANT TO BE PICKEDD!!!!!!
Shes my favourite girl ever she's iconic, she steals cars, she's lovely, and she's one of the very few indigenous reps in popular kids books. when my 7th grade class was reading the percy jackson books everyone hated piper but little 12 year old me LOVED her and i'm in super hell forever because fandom hates her too.
ianthe: harry can't POSSIBLY love you, nav; she lobotomized herself to forget about you! to love is to remember!
not five pages earlier: gideon waxing poetic about how harrow tenderly wrapped gideon's sunglasses (that harrow allegedly hated btw) and sealed them tightly in an envelope for eight months on the OFF CHANCE gideon came back in some way shape or form
gideon: yeah seems legit. i mean she didn't even seem happy when i died for her so like.
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