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Trixie is a 3 ( nearly 4! ) year old Pembroke Welsh Corgi. Trixie is a wild, loving spirit that never lets her short legs stop her goals! She's a big dog in a little dog's body! She loves her squeaky blue ball, her antler chew, and - of course - her little human brother. "This is my hooman. He is...
It’s hard for me to share this. It’s not a typical thing of me. But, we’re in need of help to pay off Trixie’s recent medical bills. Any sort of help would be loved and appreciated!
Which zodiac sign are you? (I’m chara Bv!
I’m Frisk!!
I’m Asriel! ^w^
I’m Flowey… :-p
Chara ;) @infectale-au
Sans? oKAY
ALPHYS XDD
Goat dad? K, I’m cool with that
I’m big fluffy king butt who needs more love.
Sans!
….oh
METTATON!? THE FLUFF!?
Hi I'm not dead, just been busy as hell. Haven't exactly had time to pop on this blog much. I'm gonna try and make a comeback though!
Gaster created Flowey and (probably) the RESET button.
(I have planned to upload the VIDEO version of this by SEPTEMBER 15. Until then you can read it!)
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Yep, you read the title correctly. In this theory I’ll show you all the proof I have to support my wild theory. Warning though, there are some big spoilers ahead!
Let’s start off with a bit of backstory theorizing. In what year does Undertale actually take place? A lot of people seem to believe that the game takes place shortly after 201X. However I invite you to view the timeline in a different light.
What if the game actually took place nearly an entire century after Chara’s fall into the underground?
In Toriel’s house during the pacifist/neutral run there is a calendar you can interact with that states as follows:
This text changes during the Genocide route, where Chara is much more active about how they interact with things.
Now judging by the events of Undertale’s routes we can tell that the events of the Undertale (Chara and Asriel’s mission) happened quite a long time ago. After Chara, six more humans fell down before Frisk. This gives us a good idea that it took quite a while for us to enter the underground.
Judging by the facts above we can safely guess that the events of the game actually occur during 210X, almost a full century after Chara fell. Crazily enough, this is supported by Papyrus. His online name is Coolskeleton95, often people use their birth year as the numbers in their online usernames. And since Papyrus only showed up recently and acts fairly young, we can guess that the date couldn’t possibly be 1995, and so it must be 2095. This is supported by the fact that Papyrus has no idea what a human looks like. Which means he must of been born AFTER all 7 of the other humans (including Chara) have fallen and died.
Now that we have an approximate date for the game itself, we can get into the real theory. Gaster creating Flowey, the ability reset/save/load, and how he is connected to every major moment of the game.
What proof led to the belief that Gaster and Flowey are related? The true lab entries, for one. Entry 1 through 8 are written in a very specific manner. The punctuation and capitalization is correct and proper. The dialogue itself more formally written. Overall the first eight entries are more professional.
During these first eight entries we learn that the monster/determination experiments have begun. Flowey was chosen as the vessel. The experiments have started full swing.
ENTRY 6: ASGORE asked everyone outside the city for monsters that had “fallen down.” Their bodies came in today. They’re still comatose… And soon, they’ll all turn into dust. But what happens if I inject “determination” into them? If their SOULS persist after they perish, then… Freedom might be closer than we all thought.
However at this same time Hapstablook/Mettaton has written his first diary entry.
Mettaton’s Diary 1- Dear Diary: Shyren’s sister “fell down” recently. It’s sad. Without her sister to speak for her… she’s become more reclusive than ever. So I reached out to her, and told her… that she, Blooky, and I should all perform together sometime. She seemed to like that idea.
We can recognise an amalgamate in specific that does resemble Shyren’s body, or at least, her sister’s
This is lemonbread
This is shyren
Alphys doesn’t come up with the idea to make Mettaton until diary entry 6.
Mettaton’s Diary 6- Dear Diary: She surprised me with something today. Sketches of a body that she wants to create for me… a form beyond my wildest fantasies. In a form like that, I could finally feel like… “myself.” After all, there’s no way I can be a star the way I am now. Sorry, Blooky. My dreams can’t wait for anyone…
And it is suspected that she made Mettaton to impress Asgore, as well as give her friend a body.
So what does that all add up to? Alphys made Mettaton to impress Asgore either before she became the royal scientist or very VERY shortly afterwards. We know that she WAS NOT the royal scientist during the initial monster/determination experiments. This means whoever was the previous royal scientist had to of started the experiments and chosen Flowey as the vessel.
And who could that be?
Doctor W.D. Gaster.
Further proof is that Gaster would know who Toriel is.
ENTRY 8: I’ve chosen a candidate. I haven’t told ASGORE yet, because I want to surprise him with it… In the center of his garden, there’s something special. The first golden flower, that grew before all the others. The flower from the outside world. It appeared just before the queen left. I wonder… What happens when something without a SOUL gains the will to live?
Alphys, does not.
So now we’ve proven that Gaster created Flowey. Alphys made of had a part in it, but Gaster chose the vessel, the vessel covered in Asriel’s dust.
This is where the theory gets a little wild.
Now, we know Gaster disappears after True Lab entry number 8. The writing style dramatically changes from entries 9 to 13.
ENTRY 1: This is it… Time to do what the king has asked me to do. I will create the power to free us all. I will unleash the power of the SOUL.
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ENTRY 12: nothing is happening. i don’t know what to do. i’ll just keep injecting everything with “determination.” i want this to work.
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Now in entry number 11 we can confirm that Alphys is the author.
ENTRY 11: now that mettaton’s made it big, he never talks to me anymore. … except to ask when i’m going to finish his body. but i’m afraid if i finish his body, he won’t need me anymore… then we’ll never be friends ever again. … not to mention, every time i try to work on it, i just get really sweaty…
This one shows that Mettaton has a relationship with the author of the entry. Proof that this style of writing is done by Alphys. However entry 14 and 15 are written differently than either 1-8 or 9-13. It is my belief that the author of these two entries is none other than Sans.
We know Sans and Alphys know each other from the epilogue after True Pacifist.
Alphys knows Sans well enough to predict what he’ll say. Sans reacts quickly and covers it up with a joke, but the proof is there. Sans also has given Alphys dog food, proof he knows of Endogeny, the amalgamate dog.
(calling papyrus in front of Alphys’ lab without befriending undyne yet)
Using this it is very easy to speculate that Sans wrote entry 14-15, placing him as a scientist in the true lab. We know Sans is into science, based on his owning of physics books and his own laboratory.
Now, entry 17. There are two entry 17s. Entry 17.1, which is written by Alphys. Then entry 17.2, which is undoubtedly recorded by Gaster.
“Recorded you say?” Yes. Recorded. Entry 17.2 is read to us when we find it in the game files, otherwise known as the void. What Gaster is doing in the void is impossible to tell, but there are some things that occur that make us believe he did not stop experimenting.
We’ll get back to his experiments in a moment, first we have to find out “Why didn’t Gaster die from his accident, whatever that may be?”
Because he injected himself with DETERMINATION.
Every monster filled with determination becomes a goopy blob of what it once was. The model we believe to be Gaster inside the gray door looks quite goopy.
This goopy being would of had parts of himself dripping off. Whenever the accident occured and he fell into the core he was erased from the timeline. What happened to these blobs of Gaster?
They tried to grow new Gasters. This follower of Gaster is holding a piece of him, but it is clearly a head. A second Gaster being made. Or at least trying to form itself from the head.
Further support for this comes from a strange being you only encounter once in the game.
Memoryhead. This amalgamate is unique. Its ACT options are very similar to our own.
This comes from Memoryhead having a small amount of determination, more so than the other amalgamates. Before flowey has control, Memoryhead has it, but of course, these things can barely walk or talk, so it didn’t know how to use it’s powers, but the option was there.
Memoryhead is in the shape of a skull, now where have we seen a disembodied head before?
Now like I mentioned, the amalgamate can’t even talk properly, so it wasn’t able to exactly control the timeline, but at this point whatever cataclysmic event Gaster created by falling into the core had already occur and Flowey was prime and ready to wake up. Once “your best friend” fully understood what was going on, the memoryhead lost the little control of the timeline it had.
Now… was Gaster was injected with determination or at least had interaction with it before/during his accident?, let’s take a look at why he’s responsible for the ability to reset.
Before Gaster’s accident, no human was able to reset. None of the seven human children were able to save or load. Not even Chara, who’s soul is a determination soul, just like Frisk’s. An argument could be made that humans on the surface can’t reset either.
For some reason the RESET/SAVE/LOAD ablity is a thing that only happens in the underground and for some reason is ONLY started to happen from a certain point before all 6 children fell down and on.
And I believe that’s because of the core, the one difference between the surface and the underground. The place Gaster fell into during his accident.
The core powers all of the underground, from the Ruins to Asgore’s garden. The moment a human enters the underground post-accident, they gain the power to reset. If they have enough determination to override whoever was in control before them. This makes it so that only the underground is caught in this save/load/reset paradox.
To sum it all up, Gaster created Flowey and injected himself with determination or got caught into it in his experiment before falling into the core. This caused the underground to enter a time paradox where whoever has the most determination gains control over the timeline.
Do you agree with the theory? Or can you debunk it? I’d love to get some responses.
(Theory by me and veir)
…You idiot.
hello i’m colonel and chara is my favourite from undertale please talk to me about my flower child and how they says things like snow poffs and popato chisps and that they’re a weeb and not actually a knife-wielding evil doer who takes pleasure in other people’s misery and thinks the no-mercy route was actually fun for them
Trick made her way outside and sat down by a tree. The little five-year-old child wanted some time to herself for a little bit and just get away from everyone and everything. (I hope you don't mind I send you a starter with my newest verse for Frisk? I added her to my verse page if you wanna learn more--?)
Flowey popped up on the surface and, oh god he’s on the surface. Someone obviously broke the barrier in this world. Might as well see who’s around. After a quick survey, it didn’t take long to spot Frisk. Of course it’s her… Oh well, let’s see what this one’s like.
[*Howdy!]
“…Barrier? … Broken?” she echoed.
Was there a barrier in her made up Underground? That was the one thing she couldn’t recall about it. She didn’t remember if her mind had created one or not. Another thing, her killing someone? She couldn’t recall doing that if she had.
“.. I don’t know,” the little human answered. “…. F-Flowey… How are you here? …. A-Are you real?”
What sort of question was that? Even if he was or wasn’t, he was real to her. Her whole coma-dream had been as real as reality was. The Underground was as real as this was right now–even though it had all been in her head. So she really had no idea if he really was here or if it was just her mind going back to her dream world without her knowing. She still refused to believe it had all been a dream. It had to of been real. It just had to.
The little girl looked down at the ground, away from him. Maybe that wasn’t something she shouldn’t of asked. That be sort of weird after all. Someone asking you if you were real or not. Out of the blue it was and might be.. Ah, what was the word..?
“S-Sorry… It’s just… Eh… I’m so mixed up about things lately… I can’t tell what’s fake or not anymore… If you’re really here or if you’re still apart of my ‘dream world’ that’s slipping into reality again… Or… I just… I don’t know…”
Confused would be the best word to describe this frisk. Everything that came out of her mouth reeked of confusion. Oh this is going to be wonderful. [*Wow, it just sounds like everything is screwed up here. But I'm as real as I can be. Taking over a SAVE file is the best way to get places too. So tell me. Who did you kill?]
Kill the time with pocky game
Trick made her way outside and sat down by a tree. The little five-year-old child wanted some time to herself for a little bit and just get away from everyone and everything. (I hope you don't mind I send you a starter with my newest verse for Frisk? I added her to my verse page if you wanna learn more--?)
Flowey popped up on the surface and, oh god he’s on the surface. Someone obviously broke the barrier in this world. Might as well see who’s around. After a quick survey, it didn’t take long to spot Frisk. Of course it’s her… Oh well, let’s see what this one’s like.
[*Howdy!]
Trick jumped at the sudden voice. She winced slightly. Ah God, who had found her now? She turned her head to the owner of it and spotted the little flower there. She blinked a few times at Flowey. Had she fallen asleep without realizing it and entered her ‘dream world’ as everyone called it? Or was it slipping into reality again for the child?
Ether way, he was here or not..? The five-year-old wasn’t sure. She was confused about so much stuff since she had woken up from the coma.
“Um.. Hi, Flowey.”
[*Of course you’d know my name. So how long has the barrier been broken? And did you kill anyone to get here?]
Of course judging by the lack of destruction around, he knew Frisk didn’t kill anyone. Why would she? But he wanted to see how she’d react to such a question.
Another reset, the Ruins again. Question is, is this Flowey's timeline, or someone else's? He popped up through the floorboard inside Toriel's Home and investigated.
Toriel saw the golden flower, a flower with a face? It seems she is seeing things, quite confused she spoke out.“Oh, goodness! A flower with a face? How peculiar!”
“Oh I’ll get you some right away! Just stay right there little flower!” With that she went into the kitchen to get the flower a slice of pie, even if her guest was a flower she thought they should at the very least be comfortable and healthy, though they also deserved to be happy.
Flowey took into account how Toriel was being with him. Sure the memories of when he was still alive were there, but the feelings weren’t, sadly. Oh well. All the more reason to just end it sooner or later. But for now, keep baiting her on.
[*I’ve heard good things about you from the other monsters in the ruins, Toriel. That you’re really nice, and you bake great pies!]
Flowey-!!!
Trick made her way outside and sat down by a tree. The little five-year-old child wanted some time to herself for a little bit and just get away from everyone and everything. (I hope you don't mind I send you a starter with my newest verse for Frisk? I added her to my verse page if you wanna learn more--?)
Flowey popped up on the surface and, oh god he’s on the surface. Someone obviously broke the barrier in this world. Might as well see who’s around. After a quick survey, it didn’t take long to spot Frisk. Of course it’s her... Oh well, let’s see what this one’s like.
[*Howdy!]
[*Hee Hee Hee! This is going to be fun!]
Flowey burrowed under, and popped up in the Hotlands, waiting for Corolla to appear with Papyrus
After several seconds, Corolla was already there with Papyrus’ body.
– Uff, I hate this place! Everything is so hot and all… where’s that smiley trashbag?
[*I don’t know...What made you think he’d be here and not back at Snowdin? We had the letter call for Papyrus, not bonehead. With any luck he’ll probably be at Waterfall.]
These two are adorable!!!!
[*Oh please. With your hostage, there’s no way he’ll even do anything to you. Plus, if I’m guessing right, you haven’t absorbed a soul yet, have you? He can’t do anything but fling his bones around. But again, he won’t do anything to put his dear brother in danger]
– Yeah… you are right! We can totally do this!
Papyrus’s arms waves in the air in “joy”.
– Then, let’s go to HOTLAND! And no one will stop us this time!
The possesed body is already on their way to Hotland.
[*Hee Hee Hee! This is going to be fun!]
Flowey burrowed under, and popped up in the Hotlands, waiting for Corolla to appear with Papyrus
*…I-I don’t know… I… I haven’t s-seen him in a while…
Flowey sighed and extended a vine to the other, in a sort of attempt to comfort.
[*Come on, Crybaby. Stick with me for a while then. You can even cry if you want. I’ll make sure that fat sack of bones doesn’t touch you again.]
*/Well well, I do hope you don't mind my dropping in. I'm 'friends' with that little crybaby. Boy, I do like what you've done with the place./
[*What I’ve done with the place? All I’ve done is left it to rot after I killed everyone. How did you even get here?]
**He nodded a little, snarling at himself.*
*Geez! It’s not usually this awful! Ugh… I must have been digging around in a particularly nasty bit of garbage…
[*It was really nasty in there… I’m not surprised you got sick. So it’s a little hard to read this, but… how long ago did you notice Alphys throwing these things out? If it’s not too far back, she might have done the same in my timeline. I could probably reset to that point]
**He squinted again, trying to decipher the gibberish on the paper. Some of it looked like some bizarre other language. Was it made up? …oh, hang on, the other flower is speaking. He turned to the other. Dang Flowey looked dizzy.*
*U-Uh… r-rather recent, I think….
*Ugh, um… during… the… thing…
[*...During what thing? Come on, I gotta know. If we can LOAD back to the point where she was just throwing it out, we could figure out what this mess says. Or even talk to her about it]
