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friendly reminder armand and daniel canonically fight and never reach a agreement because their fights would always end up in sex
…and people keep saying they’re not bonking like rabbits. 😂
Devils Minion Reunion outline (Book Spoilers)
If we get any form of adaption of the last couple books with DM scenes, thought it would be fun to theorize how it would go. Anne rice told us just enough to paint a picture but have creative license (especially for the showrunners since there are plenty of time skips and being vague about events)
Flash forward time! Daniel+Armand been separated for about 10-12 years give or take. Daniel mostly retreated into his mind, borderline mad for years while being taken care of by Marius. Model making, walks on the beach etc. * Armand had worked on pouring his love and need to spoil that he gave to Daniel to his adopted children Sybelle and Benji. * At some point Armand left Marius to also watch his kids for a limited time and Marius turned them both when his back wasn't looking. (Couldn't fully have Daniel so perhaps this was his way of laying claim to what Armand had to cope and fill that missing space) *After years it's insinuated that when the last couple Vampire Chronicle books came out that Daniel had put himself together fairly recently. Marius narrated that he was skilled with drinking from humans unnoticed. Daniel having more confidence in his vampiric self.
Vampire court is established. Lestat having the most powerful blood and experience becomes 'Prince Lestat'. Armand as one of his advisors. Louis becomes Lestat's royal consort/companion. Trinity gate housing many vampires under one roof. * Daniel yearns to see the other vampires. Most likely the interest is to see Armand specifically. *Marius is filled with a sense of dread. Leaving their bubble of isolation. The spell may soon break on their companionship... *At some point Armand and Daniel go off alone, hunting together in the warm rain. Reconnecting. Talking...catching up possibly or something more~? *From Lestat's point of view in a public setting, in the middle of court Armand and Marius get into a rather explosive argument. This is where theories come into play. I surmise it is over Daniel since he was Marius's companion up to this point. Dm went off together and hunting, feeding off someone together is a rather intimate act in terms of vampire lore from the books. Much could have come out in this fight. -Marius's jealousy over Devils minion bond. He does have a tendency to feel jealousy. -Maybe it came out that Marius was feeding Daniel blood to keep him with him. Outside of his mental turmoil he was working through. Which could have made Armand see with blaring clarity that the roads led back to Marius with certain patterns in the relationship. Which actually caused the doubts/miscommunication/loss of time with daniel during the honeymoon of his turning. Toxic linked chain realized when someone he loves was treated much like how Marius treated him in some ways. Character development in realizing the abuse. -The anger over Marius taking his kids via maker/fledgling bond could have come to the surface. Marius hitting below the belt with Armand's self-deprecating thoughts and giving voice to them. Doubts over being someone worth loving, insert mentioning the past.
-Daniel probably jumping to Armand's defense, protecting him psychologically and maybe even physically if the fight progressed to that point. Where Daniel breaks up with Marius. My shipper heart would have loved if Daniel outright stated that he will always belong to Armand with being his only dark child and how he made that decision when he was a young mortal. -Armand and Daniel are together again as companions. -Daniel doesn't return in the last book to court but as other fans have surmised - most likely due to not wanting to be the one to cause tension and drama from his presence being there. Maybe allowed Daniel to bond with his adopted kids in a way. * Marius is still upset over being left publicly. Painted a mural of the vampires but left Daniel out. Still painted Armand but they hadn't been lovers in a VERY long time and still his fledgling so can't hate him completely. Plus, Armand is still the prince's advisors so needed to include him. *It's assumed of course that once business/council is concluded Armand will return to Daniel and his family.
There is a moment between Lestat and Armand but was more focused on the complexities over their dynamic. Loving him but hating him equally. Mentioning grievances from the past. Frustrations over not being trusted despite his position.
Having this conversation could be in connection to the fight had with Marius. Another he loved/loves but has resentment and hate tied to the relationship with being unhealthy. Armand maybe felt the need to voice these thoughts if it was liberating to get everything out from the Marius/Daniel/Armand fight not too long ago.
While there is room for devil's minion to grow, time needed to soften the edges of the miscommunications from the past. Their reunion seems like it's on the way to a happy ending after everything. Daniel healing mentally to be stable to be in a relationship again, knowing what and who he wants. Armand reunited with his soulmate while also getting thoughts off his chest. He has a home with Daniel with two eternally young kids. Domestic 2.0 Devils minion lol Do hope Armand eventually repurchases Night Island later down the road in their eternal lives together.
(Curious if anyone knew of fanfictions that took place around the last couple books with the reunion and triangle fight?)
He got his hug this time 😭
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Devil’s Minion Brain Fart #6329…
…so did any book readers catch this slip from Daniel in Season 1 during his session with Dr. Fareed?
In Devil’s Minion part of why Armand panicked during his picking up Daniel from death for the zillionth time was that Daniel’s mind was deteriorating from hallucinations he was getting as a side effect of drinking Armand’s blood for so long. Daniel admitted he couldn’t sleep because somehow he was having VIVID visions of the twin witches (Mekare & Mehare) so intense that it left him shook and spooked on the regular. Armand was both shocked and genuinely frightened for Daniel but chose to ignore it or rather not show Daniel how creepy that is in order to calm him down and getting a doctor to check on him to see just how bad Daniel’s health got. Armand knew the blood made humans act weird or feel strange but he had never seen it like that (then again Armand broke his own rules given Daniel’s the only human to have been a vampire companion AND taking the blood for THAT long. Most humans get turned within a year or two if the vampires are feeling freaky like that. Or they adopt the humans as blood bags but don’t give them the blood like Armand had with Denis (a previous paramour/guard of Armand’s)).
Daniel by the point he experienced these visions had been taking Armand’s blood for 8 years and he basically became the creature from Frankenstein or a vampire without fangs. He was nightbound where he could only sleep in the day, barely interacted with people at this point, and ye couldn’t function properly without a sip of Armand. Armand had his “lost in the sauce” problem where he is blinded by joy whenever he reunites with Daniel so he temporarily gets blind to things. My controversial take on Daniel’s demise was that Daniel used vice to accelerate Armand turning him out of realizing the blood was going to drive him insane. Armand implied his goal was to age Daniel before turning him and we do get that feeling that he loved Daniel too much to let him die. So the withdrawals manifested in Daniel as a self-destructive quality to snap Armand out of his plan given Armand confused Daniel’s sturdiness. Sure Daniel’s body might remain but the blood would’ve destroyed Daniel’s mind. I always thought that Daniel cranked up his vice in a last resort attempt to force Armand to turn him to save his mind. Because Armand did say he would rather Daniel lose sanity than turn him. Daniel was doomed either way unless he made Armand panic. Armand doubled down within the week to save Daniel as his body had given up and decided to die after his liver failing.
Anyways…Armand mainly acted because yes he wanted to save Daniel out of love but he was genuinely freaked out about him having the crazy visions as it could make Daniel a target for knowing stuff he shouldn’t nor that many vampires knew. It was also why Armand became so tense and irate around him as opposed to his usual handsy lovey dovey thing because he was in high alert for wayward vampires potentially making moves to come for Daniel (which is logical as those visions and Daniel forming empathy to the twins as a result automatically puts him AGAINST Akasha’s reign/dominance. Armand wants to live but he also wants to keep Daniel OUT of the vampire faction out of not trusting them after his experiences with the Children of Satan). Armand was partly to blame for not taking Daniel’s side effects seriously to do something about it on time. I hope the one on the show actually did act when he saw Daniel struggle rather than risk Daniel losing his marbles hence why there’s a pause in their history together that ignored a reprisal now that Daniel’s age is creeping up on him.
Funny how it took me 4-5 years to land on this. It’s not a small bit of information it’s confirmation given that I don’t recall any of the guys having said anything regarding the vampocalypse up to this point. I need to watch this episode again for clarity but yeah that’s a big bit of information confirming his involvement with Armand. The visions were a side effect of his withdrawal from Armand’s blood and the sign that Armand had to act as Daniel pretty much WAS vampire in anything but the fangs at this point. His body was acting against him because it couldn’t function any longer in the human habitat given Daniel scheduled his life to attune to Armand’s.
Does anyone realize that Book Daniel in the books doesn’t really seduce Armand in the books besides just being hot (and a brain)?
I never thought about it in the books since I was still mad at him about Claudia but then I ended up loving him for the way he loved Daniel. Armand gave a lot to Daniel. Sure he didn’t tell him his traumas/history and sometimes they’d have horrible fights but he did give a lot of love to Daniel. I kept scratching my head wondering how did Daniel show love to Armand besides allowing himself to be fucked and treated like an expensive sugar baby? Keeping him company yes. Rooting for Armand whenever he opened a business or took up a new adventure yes. But he let himself get haggard and living like a vagabond over his being petulant about not being made a vampire…which led to his early demise over liver poisoning caused by his own addictions.
I know this sounds controversial but to me Daniel let himself fall into vice because he knew Armand wouldn’t let him go. I mean Armand practically tells Daniel that the plan was to grow him/age him (and Armand remain with him into old age). I can imagine Daniel not willing to gamble with Armand falling out of love with him over his looks no longer being young. But at the same time I think Daniel feared teenage looking Armand boning him into the afterlife. To me Daniel’s “death” was part the blood but part him consciously doing it because he realized that Armand was going to keep him. Outright killing himself would risk Daniel entering immortality maimed or something. Self induced vice is a slow way to go because while his body’s deteriorating on the inside he still keeps his looks on the outside. I think Armand suspects this which is why he sort of pays back with having Daniel’s first meal be a child. As in the innocence he thought Daniel had was gone. If the malice Daniel has in the show echoes some of this I’d be happy as it never sat well with me that Daniel let himself go when he had it all. It felt like he did it force Armand to act sooner.
IDK. Just another random DM brain fart of the day. These two have become my Roman Empire.
If Daniel's eye colour changes based on emotion theory is true and since he doesn't like people going inside his head without permission, doesn't it feel like he's wearing glasses to hide his emotions? He's feeling vulnerable, that might be a reason of the list of why he doesn't like to be a vampire (following the list of why he likes it) as Eric said
I don’t think that theory will hold, sorry nonny.
That’s totally outside the lore.
It might be outside the lore but does fit within the world of the story given Daniel has carte blanche out of Anne Rice never really exploring him further after vampirism. What does standout from him that wasn’t there before was that Daniel goes inward/depressed and actually stops seeking trouble/adventures when he was naturally the opposite. The implication was that he both missed Armand and was struggling with vampirism but we never got told why.
The show creating something to explain why Daniel shifts would be a welcome enrichment to the story. It would also help mitigate his issue with vampirism with Armand, which is that they miss connecting through their minds. Half the time Armand didn’t need to read it to know Daniel though and I want them to keep that tidbit in the show. Armand knowing Daniel without having to enter Daniel’s mind, it feels far more intimate.
I think it’s far more likely (and I have a feeling we will get mlre proof wrt soon) they‘re using the eyes to indicate something else, but you/we will only see that in a while.
As such, theorize away, but … (maybe) mark my words😅
Yeah I definitely agree with this but I wonder exactly what though? From what I could see they are keeping the canonically accurate lavender and his becoming even paler/icier looking. They have just added the shifting thing and his eyes turning honey colored whenever he seems either hungry and/or thinking of Armand. If that’s their reasoning for his eyes turning honey colored it would be kinda funny and hilarious. It doesn’t expose him or anything rather would just state his mood. Hunger might not be negative in his case if he’s searching for food. Armand’s…well it’s Armand. Good and bad has no ground with him.
I choose to see the shifting eye colors as his own freaky Frankenstein-esque thing as a result of being made by Armand. I mean if I remember correctly Armand’s vampire family all have their own freaky little nuances to their vampirism. Daniel’s being physical and his having to hide over it since it makes him too distinct/recognizable is a bit of a tragedy in of itself given Daniel’s work requires him to NOT stick out. Daniel’s random eyes make him stick out too much which would make him retreat into seclusion which is in a way how you’d sort of defeat Daniel without really laying a hand on him. Daniel NEEDS to be out there looking for trouble to resolve or uncover and now those eyes which are his greatest tools in a way now are liability. On the flip side I like that throw them that it establishes Armand’s hand in Daniel’s existence. Armand can’t deny Daniel with those eyes, and in a way there’s something beautiful about seeing yourself through the eyes of a lover and specifically your favorite which is the case with Daniel. Like a proud parent when their children inherit a flattering trait. I also like that in a way their turning to Armand’s colors whenever he thinks of Armand to be poetic, indeed, reflective of his own devotion to Armand by calling himself his minion. Daniel becomes “obsessed” with Armand, his love for him superseding his own desire for immortality. Armand becomes Daniel’s raison d’etre, his compass, immortality becomes a tool for him to love Armand longer. Immortality for its own sake stops being what Daniel wanted in exchange for Armand being everything he wanted. That then this is reflected whenever Daniel thinks of random positive things like eating could mean the eyes turn honey when he’s “happy”/“in a good mood”. That whenever Armand is around that he’s in a good mood but would also mean if his eyes are anything but Armand Honey then that Daniel’s distracted or normal.
I can’t wait till they explain the context of Daniel’s eyes for real as the curiosity is killing me.
Well, we‘ll obviously see, but there’s more lore they need to visualize and the eyes… will play a role there I think.
I don’t think it has anything to do with moods or Armand‘s eye color I‘m sorry to say. That, too, is totally outside the lore, else Louis and Claudia would have had Lestat‘s blue. Or Armand Marius‘.
But, as said, the whole eye discussion will only be something that makes sense in a bit, when the reveals will come. I have talked about it (I tagged eye color here, clicking on it should take you to the discussions if you want), but since I know it seems very far stretched right now… let‘s just wait :)
Also, theorizing is fun after all 🥰
So if not moods…what then? “Genetic marking” then, sort of Armand’s stamping on his fledgling as an undeniable sign that this is his fledgling. With Louis’ eyes I didn’t see it as anything but the show deciding to keep on something that made Louis a bit infamous in the vampire circles. Louis’ was annoying but his whole thing was being fawned over because he was hot and the eyes were a major draw due to their being unique.
With Daniel if the eyes aren’t a mood then they’re some sort of thing indefinitely related to Armand because it makes sense: Armand’s the only one with the specific amber colors in the eyes. Daniel doesn’t have any warm eye color and his baseline is some kind of minty looking blue. His eyes turning lavender is still in that family that we can agree. But if his eyes would waver between the lavender and honey then what triggers their shifting? He’s not changing them at will I think nor would it make sense that he could because otherwise he wouldn’t be wearing the glasses. He could be wearing them to offset the glare from the lights in the studio and he could easily lie about the eye color turning by wearing colors that mirror the lavender like more grey, ashy blues, and purples. His eyes are pale enough that they could take on the colors that surround it and people would buy it. What would creep people out is his eyes turning amber out of the blue. And the show needs to explain what would drive that to happen because yeah it needs to explain the cause. If not mood then what? The amber isn’t the baseline color would it be? So is the lavender the adaptation then so others don’t suspect? If that’s the case, what does he do to force his eyes to change that color? They have to explain how he can do that.
Armand is not the only one with that eye color?! Nor has this anything to do with "genetic marking".
They made them "amber", because canonically Armand has amber eyes.
Claudia had them in season 1.
Several of the vampires in the coven have similar ones.
And no, Louis' eyes were not are not unique either?!?! As is clearly visible in the shot with Planche (who also had green eyes) - and there WILL be other vampires with green eyes, trust me.... Where does all of this come from? This has nothing to do with how the VC work.
Look, you can believe what you want, you can choose to not believe me here, obviously, and yes I know of the big metas and posts going round wrt this, but the eye thing has nothing to do with Armand's eye color, nor mood changes, nor genetic markers.
They will explain why the eye color changes, you can be sure of that. (And you obviously did not bother to click through my tags, where I talked about that before.)
Daniel's book canon vampiric eye color is purple.
Him switching to another HAS meaning, yes. But not the ones you're trying to conjure here, I'm standing by that.
Now I’m curious as this is an intriguing question: You two had similar ideas just different ways of communicating. She seems to be saying that the drastic color changing is what makes Daniel unique and that this is not in the books. So she’s confused as to what role it could play in the grander scheme of things. She’s right that there has to be a reason for it. He’s also wearing transition glasses. He’s covering one of the eye colors or something in the eyes for that. It wouldn’t make sense for him to cover the lavender/purple as he could even wear colors like that and people would buy it. His eyes are light enough to take on color from clothing in similar colors.
The question is why do they go brown? Did he come with that bonus as a vampire or is it a trick he’s doing to maybe blend in? But where does the trick come from? A spell? I don’t recall reading anything similar in VC which is why Contessa here is getting a headache. And giving you a headache. 🤣
(No worries I won't kill you^^)
And you are both right, there IS a reason, as I also pointed out before. And as also said, I and @cbrownjc have talked about our theories wrt that, at length, in the tag...
So. To highlight just a bit of that:
I don't believe it's a far stretch that his eyes change depending his mood. I doubt they are following the book through and through. It can
Are they even following book lore that deeply? They are going a different direction with the show and maybe keeping the important plots, but
And maybe this one
I feel like I've been bombarding you with many asks 😅 But unlike myself, you seem to still be caught up with TVC books and the IWTV tv show,
I don't mean to cut you off, but I have talked about this, and there is not much to add to it at this point.
There WILL be a point when it will become clear as to WHY Daniel's eyes change their color (and then we will be able to discuss this, at length and in detail!), but right now, the sheer speculation level in the fandom shows quite well that the relevant lore and background information has not hit yet.
And this show stays quite close to the lore, actually. They made a handful of changes, but they follow the repercussions for those changes, something I called "ripple effects", and they do not overstep the bounds of those (which I like very much, but just as a note :)).
This is no jab or anything, as a show only viewer or someone who has not read beyond the first few books (for example! General "you" :). Not saying you are!) you are not supposed to know this.
But I come from a very different background. :) And for me the changing eye color indicates - with the knowledge of upcoming arcs which Rolin, Sam, Jacob and so on have already hinted at and which have to be visualized somehow - something entirely different.
Yeah all of this makes sense. I suspected some sort of witchcraft in a similar way to the Body Thief situation and I did read the books just never really processed a lot of the tinier details like that. Let alone MERGE them like it seems they’re doing in the show. You have made a great case here with the Daniel in the end likely being partly possessed and now that makes me wonder whether that terrified face Armand made when Daniel mentioned “Talamasca” is his also assuming that Daniel’s fallen for a trap. The show has set it up already that Armand has trust issues with him and this would be chaos. This would fuck up whatever he and Armand have going on even further. Which I don’t think Daniel would like or appreciate.
It would also serve as reason for Armand backing off Daniel eventually for a bit. The thing that would bother me about this is that Daniel canonically is an “innocent” regarding this kind of stuff (the supernatural beyond vampirism). Armand wouldn’t leave him hanging if he suspected Daniel’s been betrayed/done fowl play in order to publish his book. That’s also a dirty play by Raglan if that’s the case, taking advantage of Daniel’s unusual situation, insecurities, career, and history with Armand for his own agenda. Daniel’s practically catnip to a monster like Raglan which sells this theory brilliantly. Why wouldn’t Raglan jump at the chance?
Now refresh my memory…doesn’t a spirit have to be put on another body in order to inhabit their body? If Raglan’s taking over Daniel…where does Daniel go? I’m fearing I’m getting another migraine as my brain keeps coming up with a new problem every time I ponder all of this. Like Raglan hopping aboard the moment Real Rashid deduced that Armand had been preparing to turn Daniel by enticing Daniel with information in order to charge him for it later? Ugh. My heart breaks at the idea that this is what would drive the DM duo apart for a bit but I prefer it to the traumatic first meal Daniel gets as his foray to immortality. 😅🫣
BTW thank you for this. I’m enjoying your clarification on this as this series is so detail rich. I’ve read it twice but NGL only went up to TVA and read Memnoch then Blood and Gold after that. Then stopped once I realized the other books expanded on the baseline story and I didn’t like the new expansion.
If Daniel's eye colour changes based on emotion theory is true and since he doesn't like people going inside his head without permission, doesn't it feel like he's wearing glasses to hide his emotions? He's feeling vulnerable, that might be a reason of the list of why he doesn't like to be a vampire (following the list of why he likes it) as Eric said
I don’t think that theory will hold, sorry nonny.
That’s totally outside the lore.
It might be outside the lore but does fit within the world of the story given Daniel has carte blanche out of Anne Rice never really exploring him further after vampirism. What does standout from him that wasn’t there before was that Daniel goes inward/depressed and actually stops seeking trouble/adventures when he was naturally the opposite. The implication was that he both missed Armand and was struggling with vampirism but we never got told why.
The show creating something to explain why Daniel shifts would be a welcome enrichment to the story. It would also help mitigate his issue with vampirism with Armand, which is that they miss connecting through their minds. Half the time Armand didn’t need to read it to know Daniel though and I want them to keep that tidbit in the show. Armand knowing Daniel without having to enter Daniel’s mind, it feels far more intimate.
I think it’s far more likely (and I have a feeling we will get mlre proof wrt soon) they‘re using the eyes to indicate something else, but you/we will only see that in a while.
As such, theorize away, but … (maybe) mark my words😅
Yeah I definitely agree with this but I wonder exactly what though? From what I could see they are keeping the canonically accurate lavender and his becoming even paler/icier looking. They have just added the shifting thing and his eyes turning honey colored whenever he seems either hungry and/or thinking of Armand. If that’s their reasoning for his eyes turning honey colored it would be kinda funny and hilarious. It doesn’t expose him or anything rather would just state his mood. Hunger might not be negative in his case if he’s searching for food. Armand’s…well it’s Armand. Good and bad has no ground with him.
I choose to see the shifting eye colors as his own freaky Frankenstein-esque thing as a result of being made by Armand. I mean if I remember correctly Armand’s vampire family all have their own freaky little nuances to their vampirism. Daniel’s being physical and his having to hide over it since it makes him too distinct/recognizable is a bit of a tragedy in of itself given Daniel’s work requires him to NOT stick out. Daniel’s random eyes make him stick out too much which would make him retreat into seclusion which is in a way how you’d sort of defeat Daniel without really laying a hand on him. Daniel NEEDS to be out there looking for trouble to resolve or uncover and now those eyes which are his greatest tools in a way now are liability. On the flip side I like that throw them that it establishes Armand’s hand in Daniel’s existence. Armand can’t deny Daniel with those eyes, and in a way there’s something beautiful about seeing yourself through the eyes of a lover and specifically your favorite which is the case with Daniel. Like a proud parent when their children inherit a flattering trait. I also like that in a way their turning to Armand’s colors whenever he thinks of Armand to be poetic, indeed, reflective of his own devotion to Armand by calling himself his minion. Daniel becomes “obsessed” with Armand, his love for him superseding his own desire for immortality. Armand becomes Daniel’s raison d’etre, his compass, immortality becomes a tool for him to love Armand longer. Immortality for its own sake stops being what Daniel wanted in exchange for Armand being everything he wanted. That then this is reflected whenever Daniel thinks of random positive things like eating could mean the eyes turn honey when he’s “happy”/“in a good mood”. That whenever Armand is around that he’s in a good mood but would also mean if his eyes are anything but Armand Honey then that Daniel’s distracted or normal.
I can’t wait till they explain the context of Daniel’s eyes for real as the curiosity is killing me.
Well, we‘ll obviously see, but there’s more lore they need to visualize and the eyes… will play a role there I think.
I don’t think it has anything to do with moods or Armand‘s eye color I‘m sorry to say. That, too, is totally outside the lore, else Louis and Claudia would have had Lestat‘s blue. Or Armand Marius‘.
But, as said, the whole eye discussion will only be something that makes sense in a bit, when the reveals will come. I have talked about it (I tagged eye color here, clicking on it should take you to the discussions if you want), but since I know it seems very far stretched right now… let‘s just wait :)
Also, theorizing is fun after all 🥰
So if not moods…what then? “Genetic marking” then, sort of Armand’s stamping on his fledgling as an undeniable sign that this is his fledgling. With Louis’ eyes I didn’t see it as anything but the show deciding to keep on something that made Louis a bit infamous in the vampire circles. Louis’ was annoying but his whole thing was being fawned over because he was hot and the eyes were a major draw due to their being unique.
With Daniel if the eyes aren’t a mood then they’re some sort of thing indefinitely related to Armand because it makes sense: Armand’s the only one with the specific amber colors in the eyes. Daniel doesn’t have any warm eye color and his baseline is some kind of minty looking blue. His eyes turning lavender is still in that family that we can agree. But if his eyes would waver between the lavender and honey then what triggers their shifting? He’s not changing them at will I think nor would it make sense that he could because otherwise he wouldn’t be wearing the glasses. He could be wearing them to offset the glare from the lights in the studio and he could easily lie about the eye color turning by wearing colors that mirror the lavender like more grey, ashy blues, and purples. His eyes are pale enough that they could take on the colors that surround it and people would buy it. What would creep people out is his eyes turning amber out of the blue. And the show needs to explain what would drive that to happen because yeah it needs to explain the cause. If not mood then what? The amber isn’t the baseline color would it be? So is the lavender the adaptation then so others don’t suspect? If that’s the case, what does he do to force his eyes to change that color? They have to explain how he can do that.
Armand is not the only one with that eye color?! Nor has this anything to do with "genetic marking".
They made them "amber", because canonically Armand has amber eyes.
Claudia had them in season 1.
Several of the vampires in the coven have similar ones.
And no, Louis' eyes were not are not unique either?!?! As is clearly visible in the shot with Planche (who also had green eyes) - and there WILL be other vampires with green eyes, trust me.... Where does all of this come from? This has nothing to do with how the VC work.
Look, you can believe what you want, you can choose to not believe me here, obviously, and yes I know of the big metas and posts going round wrt this, but the eye thing has nothing to do with Armand's eye color, nor mood changes, nor genetic markers.
They will explain why the eye color changes, you can be sure of that. (And you obviously did not bother to click through my tags, where I talked about that before.)
Daniel's book canon vampiric eye color is purple.
Him switching to another HAS meaning, yes. But not the ones you're trying to conjure here, I'm standing by that.
Now I’m curious as this is an intriguing question: You two had similar ideas just different ways of communicating. She seems to be saying that the drastic color changing is what makes Daniel unique and that this is not in the books. So she’s confused as to what role it could play in the grander scheme of things. She’s right that there has to be a reason for it. He’s also wearing transition glasses. He’s covering one of the eye colors or something in the eyes for that. It wouldn’t make sense for him to cover the lavender/purple as he could even wear colors like that and people would buy it. His eyes are light enough to take on color from clothing in similar colors.
The question is why do they go brown? Did he come with that bonus as a vampire or is it a trick he’s doing to maybe blend in? But where does the trick come from? A spell? I don’t recall reading anything similar in VC which is why Contessa here is getting a headache. And giving you a headache. 🤣
Devil’s Minion brain fart #1 million: Daniel should’ve worn a merman costume in a jacuzzi in one of Armand’s boats…
…to entice Armand into taking him along his midnight boating raids. Daniel bemoans that he wants to accompany Armand to his midnight boatings but that Armand refuses. I think if Daniel popped up in a shimmering fin thing wearing seashell pasties and a pearl necklace inside a jacuzzi chained to the tub and leaving a fishing rod out for Armand to play with him…yeah Armand would’ve relented. Maybe just once but I think he would’ve lost his marbles to maybe let him come with him more often in exchange for costume play. I mean I imagine part of their kink thing is costumes (Daniel loves Armand’s random getups in the books) so my guess is that Armand would be elated if Daniel played with it too. It would be hilarious that Daniel’s willing to doll up to be taken out boating.
I can see it now, Young Daniel in the TV show, wearing a Jean Paul Gaultier ad inspired sailor costume (I don’t think merman costumes would’ve been easy to find back then)…the long pants with his little white hat attempting to pull a Magic Mike act to the Village People’s “In the Navy” to get Armand to put him on the boat…and Armand popping up in a naval captain’s white suit (Daniel’s feral for Armand in white in the books)…oh man. So campy but so yummy. 🤣🥵
I need to get a life. And a man. So I could take my old man yaoi fantasies out on him as this is not helping. 😂
Controversial opinion of the Devil’s Minion soap opera (week of Sept 13, 2025): I think by the end of S2E8 Daniel has accepted that he had a fling with the demon twink somehow (and Armand erased the episode because Daniel fumbled the bag somehow). Or preferring Louis.
Daniel’s emotional wound/pain/bitterness through the show seems to have been born out of a heartbreak and certain emptiness. He longs for romance and his big regret seems not having gotten it. By the end of S2E8 he looks like he’s found new fire/resolve that was then humbled by Armand’s “insignificant mortal” comment. He might not be clear on what exactly happened but he’s clear that Armand had something to do with it and if he’s was going to walk away with anything it was hitting Armand back with his own medicine by sabotaging his marriage. S3 will be Daniel trying to make sense of the mixed signals we got from Armand during the first two seasons and figuring out why they could’ve broken up.
I think Daniel ended up being turned because this was Armand’s plan all along but Armand had probably been counting on Daniel mostly having gotten over any pain (and maybe gotten over drugs/alcohol which seems to be a point of contention with them). The demon twink wasn’t counting on Daniel having grown even more bitter over a missing foot note in his life to go nuts in his hounding of the story. I also think the show will play on the potential insecurity this could’ve caused Daniel over potentially being rejected by someone he might’ve fallen hard for. Especially if it dawns on him that he could’ve also been made younger and then that mixing with his still liking Armand. Daniel’s gonna be a hot mess trying to hold it together. Meanwhile Armand’s probably stalking him trying to figure out how to break into Daniel’s life without Daniel spiraling further. In all likelihood Armand paused their thing because one Daniel was going loopy over the blood and endangering both of them in Armand having to rescue him. Two, Louis had started to miss Armand and take an interest after prolonged absences so Armand took advantage of the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone however he miscalculated how intensely Daniel could’ve felt about him enough for his body to hold onto the anguish of being left behind. Daniel might not remember the details but his body might and sadly the body does keep score.
So the story from Daniel’s end is just trying to figure out more about Armand and the two of them. Maybe confront Armand about what happened feeling an awkward mess of wanting the guy but unsure if Armand wants him back. Meanwhile Armand’s now having to change things up to assuage Daniel…I’m trying to see how he’s gonna console Daniel given Armand seems terrible at that. Armand’s great at escalating things not the reverse. I mean just getting over it and just fuck him. Except I feel like Armand would rather have Daniel warm up to him and then seduce him rather than just blindly going for it. Daniel’s horny and all but the man needs romancing…we all saw him make wistful faces when the guys were sharing their meet cutes and flings. He looked like a lovesick teenage girl living vicariously through them. It made me think he might appreciate being hit on instead for a change and tbh I think it would be adorable.
I wonder how Armand will work his way out of this one? I feel Daniel’s telenovela comment will come back to haunt him as seriously his thing with Armand feels like it’s going to be one epic soap opera already.
Am I the only one that feels Louis’ and Armand’s sexual “face down coffin” moment to be a bit uncomfortable? Or how they “kink” in general?
Maybe even kind of diabolical given that Armand looks like that…Armand is no innocent and yes he wanted his kinky relationship but IDK this felt not right. Yes there’s worst and certainly more intense but wild they’re both hot there was something about it where I was just like…hmm…this is not hot any more. IDK but I’m pretty sure the kink community would bring out the pitchforks and scream about aftercare or consideration as something about the scene and comment feels off. Like something about it isn’t right even if Armand consented.
The way they kink lacks a certain warmth or safety/security from what I’ve seen with couples I know that play that way. Kink seems to normally be safe space to explore, have fun, and be vulnerable/open but I didn’t get that from these two instead I kept wanting to do like a little kid and shut my eyes with my hands. Something about how they particularly explore it gives me the heebie jeebies and makes me worry for Armand. Maybe it’s about them not just finding a sense of balance or power through kink while enjoying sex but something about how they explore it that doesn’t make me think “ooh hot” and instead my brain’s screaming “Mayday, unethical! Babies! Stop DOING what you’re doing. This is mean! No! Please don’t don’t show him whipping him for love of god! OMG thank you for not showing this is not how I wanted to see that gorgeous man to explore his yum”. To think that Armand’s got a fantastic figure and the only times I actually kept begging the show NOT show it was when they played their kink for whatever reason. I kept wondering if this was also deliberate because that feeling is still constant. Armand being semi undressed any other time was hot and same for Louis but then we he and Louis were kinky it felt like it would be disrespectful if they showed Armand in the aftermath because the way they explore lacked a certain consideration for him and his emotional state. I would rather see them in the buff after any other time except that lol.
By contrast I hate to mention it but I liked the verbal swordplay/verbal masochism between either version of Daniel and Armand so much that I kept hoping they would just go the way of the bonobos and deliver themselves (and us) of their misery. There’s no sex yet and yet it feels like it, violent, thirsty but there’s thought to the words they’re throwing to each other. They’re both having a field day in their awkward verbal tango fighting for control in a similar way the snails fight before mating (snails are hermaphrodites and therefore technically bi and when they get busy they fight for who gets nailed (and therefore pregnant. Yes it’s bizarre but kinda pragmatic come to think of it)). Like it doesn’t matter to each guy who wins the roasting battle, they’re enjoying the unusual dance however it unfolds. Armand even pulls back when he’s pushed a boundary of Daniel’s too hard just like Daniel stopped making fun of Armand as Fake Rashid after the “rent boy” comment made Armand walk away. After that Daniel instead roasts Armand for his actions in a silly way rather than assuming anything especially after Armand revealed a bit of his slave past. Both guys are displaying a consideration for the other’s potential boundary/trigger and working around it. Loumand seemed to made an united decision to not considering each other and use their relationship and desire for one another to punish each other. Their entire relationship is self-flagellation and it’s why I felt embarrassed-terrified with how they kink even if it was lightweight/not intense. Meanwhile with Daniel I kept praying the show explores the kink in the unexpectedly unusual way they do in the books, which is Daniel giving Armand carte blanche to wield the whip on Daniel. Like he’s an older man and everything but never have I prayed so much that they tie somebody up in a dungeon, blindfold him, gag him and go to town as he’s such a potty mouthed brat that the idea is fun. Let Armand go full blown Frankenstein on the old man and be laughing in sheer joy as he sees Daniel squirm back to life from. This idea felt right and hot because it felt like it would be something both men would feel comfortable with. Both walk out of their kink revitalized rather than feeling sort of meh.
NGL I think part of the reason why so many of the IWTV show and book fans love Devil’s Minion is because the concept of a hot conventionally masculine dude getting loved, spoiled, seduced, thrown about like a toy and railed by a pretty boy to be a major mood.
It’s like Armand saw Daniel and decided he was going to honor his proudly Roman maker by going full blown “Veni, Vidi, Vici” on the kid like it was do or die (Daniel nearly dies though but he survives! *Perks of having an immortal husband. To me these two are the OG murder husbands of the Chronicles. The readers immediately marry them in the head as their thing feels more like a couple invested in keeping their marriage passionate and not kill each other. To me Daniel’s tuning was their vow renewal but Daniel became a vampire in training that night in Pompeii when they admit their feelings and Armand’s bones him in the bordello ruins (while Daniel’s hearing ghosts screaming in his head once Armand gives him that first hit of blood. This location (Pompeii was a “resort town” known for human trafficking/slavery especially of the sexual kind) seemed like foreshadowing of the terrors that is Armand’s past but this thing w/Daniel being the unofficial start to Armand taking full control of his happiness unrelated to that past)). Rice pretty much implied that Daniel ends up loopy from Armand’s occasional double depositing of his blood, Daniel drinks because it’s like pastry (and he’s got a sweet tooth) and Armand empties on him. There’s worse ways to go than being boned to death I guess and Daniel did handle it for 12 years while human. Say what you want but Daniel’s a trooper for surviving Armand’s horny teenager mode that long. Most of his toys don’t last and Daniel figured out that by running away he’d extend his lifetime warranty (and it was effective)).
Armand might be a despicable thespian at times but the man not only has impeccable taste in everything but he knows to indulge. I also love that Daniel doesn’t even question or challenge being treated like the world’s most expensive escort by the demon twink, he rolls with it and they both have a grand time for it. Daniel frequently reminds us he’s the “baby” here and that his daddy would give him the world so long as Daniel allows himself to be piped in the bathtubs. Not a bad trade off I say. Now that I think of it I imagine Daniel’s divo song would be Marilyn Monroe’s “Every Baby Needs a Da Da Daddy” and I could see it be their own cheeky joke as they paint the town red at night.
If the show cares to manage anything of this zany love affair I hope it’s all of it but at the very least their unusual dynamic of the romantic narrative being turned on its head with them. Plus the situational and physical humor bit to it as it’s part of the humor w/them. Rice frequently set their quips as it being humorous that Daniel’s physically the adult but he’s got to answer to a very demanding teenage husband that acts like he’s an adult man. I think the fact that Armand met Daniel and immediately decided that he would like to fuck him and his entire life for as long as they both should live really pulls at the heartstrings in people. It shouldn’t read as cute as it does and yet it does. Armand’s epic 4 year slow burn campaign of wooing, harassing, fornicating, and objectifying a hot man at least twice his weight, at least two heads taller than him and twice his age made me immediately love him and no longer see him as a villain as if I had all the wealth in the world that’s what I’d do with it. Just get a hot dude to consent to being fucked into insanity and maybe death. Turn him if he’s too fun to die. I think this is what Anne Rice felt when she wrote their affair too. It shouldn’t be comical but then when you learn of Armand’s story and look back into it feels like both guys are making fun of their visuals in the pecking order and taking back their power by doing the opposite. Daniel allows himself to be powerless to Armand (and gains protection, care, and attention no one in his personal life seems to have for him) and Armand is allowed to be as terrorizing as he wants to be because Daniel realizes that Armand needs the safe space to just be, no masks.
I took DM as Rice imagining if a woman could do the same and she channeled that energy/wish into Armand and Daniel’s affair. I think it’s one of those things you either have to be gay or a woman to understand or appreciate because so many fans only note the horror but forget the escapism. DM is a manic dream and the tale is beloved for it. Now that the show has expanded on Armand’s wishes by allowing Daniel to reach maturity (yes Armand really did plan on “growing” Daniel to maturity (but it’s also implied that he would turn Daniel once he was as old and healthy as he could go)), I hope they honor the fact that Armand seemed to love Daniel more with the years not less. I think in allowing Daniel to age he also hoped that when the Maker-Fledgling effect would root that Daniel would’ve had enough time to form an attachment to Armand to never let him go (which is what Seth did with Fareed). Imagine, Armand and Daniel in “retirement” in their Florida complexes…Daniel wearing a chacabana having a Cuba Libre playing dominoes with the Caribbeans in Miami discussing their homeland’s drama while Armand’s jamming to a salsa band or being distracted by flashy outfits the ladies are wearing. Armand feels like he’d know how to salsa, bachata and deploying his style sense to provide a good view when doing so. Maybe inviting a frustrated Dominican hottie with too tight pants to their abode. Or they’re scouring the local art galleries to patronize new artists. Armand playing Daniel’s CNA by giving him frequent bubble baths after devouring him. Daniel reminding us every so often that he’s baby and apple of Armand’s eye, shamelessly basking in his adoration and returning it back to him. They have their darkness and their love borders on dangerous sometimes but their addiction to each other is delightful.
There’s something so deliciously wholesome and hilarious about TV Daniel’s being the world’s oldest sugar baby to a tech and blender obsessed South Asian mannequin w/a kink problem who refuses to live the South Asian tradition of becoming a doctor/human butcher (controversial given what he does to Claudia in the books but yes). I wonder if Daniel ever brought the matter to Armand, like “Hey man, you ever thought of being a doctor? Surgeon? You would hardly be the lone whatever you are in the room these days. You could get paid to dissect people. You would be the dream as your skills will not be affected by age and you can do your specialty forever. Think about it”. Somehow I think it would be more Armand’s style to roleplay as the student to Daniel only to end up “schooling” Daniel. Yeah. That sounds about right. 🤣
God knows we need an escape these days and to me that’s what their partnership represents: Unabashed indulgence. Let them be mayhem. Thank you for reading my musings. As you can tell thinking of their shenanigans makes me happy.