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About me
Nalyra ⏛ she/her/they I love complicated characters and relationships. Vampire lover of old. I like a lot of things, so do mind the tags, please.
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This blog is NOT Vampire Chronicles / IWTV / TVL spoiler free.
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I reserve the right to be silent human, at least until I‘m turned 😛
At this point, i think 'Butterscotch Bitch' is a good fit for the season/finale, it is as if it's talking directly to the fans. "I've been wasting time, sittin' here for hours", "Did I ever lieave you wanting more" — indeed
Okay, I .... laughed.
“The trial, murder night, Lesmand, whatever.”
I wholeheartedly agree (I found the post I told you about and they mention sth about the trial too, PS: i was gagged about the anusree pic) https://x.com/waspinyourear/status/2078817184764072162?s=46&t=zpXnP3iOOCzJtI7a6DPVWg
I mean, yes, I also have posted that Anusree pic repeatedly :)
And yes, that is a good summary.
And as said, I will give them season 4 to show if this really will be part 2 of 2 then.
And if they follow-up on all the things left hanging.
It's just... if they had just done the "butcher scene" with Lestat there, they COULD have addressed all that in a VERY satisfactory way. Without having to sacrifice precious screen time from the QotD arc for it. (Which we then could have used for proper backstory on the twins and the blood wars. 😣)
Instead, we got Louis hurt, again. Dynamics, re-appropriated, again.
Instead, we will spend time on the loose ends of s3 in s4.
Instead, we will - necessarily - have to shorten Akasha's actual arc because SOMEWHERE in the next season we will also have some of Armand's backstory and Devil's Minion.
S4 is already PACKED.
And they chose to put MORE into it, all-the-while frustrating just about 99% of the fandom while they were at it.
I think only the Fem!Stat fans are happy, and honestly, only because they don't think of the implications of what and who and why this is said as it is said, but that's another issue and I don't have the spoons to get into that. Let them be happy at least, lol.
hi nalyra! while i have been watching iwtv since it first aired, this is my first rodeo being a part of online fandom since. i have loved a lot of being in the fandom, but also i feel like it came with a level of anxiety i have never ever associated with being a part of the fandom experience. part of this may be that i'm still learning the ropes of how best to engage and learning (on the fly) how to block and curate my experience, but also i feel like there seems to be a level of anxiety about the show itself in the fandom that i haven't experienced before?
i'm not brand new to online fandoms, but it has been a long time, but i guess i'm wondering if you have noticed that ~anxiety~ this season has been notably different than other seasons? i don't even mean criticism... i mean people wondering and trying to interpret from screeners if everything is going to be okay / if the show is ruined / if their ships are going to be shipped properly - is that normal? (like! i mean, here i am repeating it, but i notice a lot of time you gently reply to your asks like 'okay watch and see' / 'experience it for yourself'?)
It's been this way since season 1. Then screeners got a lot of asks as well.
And I mean, yes, I said that while the episodes would still come out :) and people should experience them as said.
The finale now broke early and I guess the overwhelming response has been leaning more towards disappointment than anything else.
I saw spoilers looooong before I started posting, simply because emotions after this were running so high.
TVL has been awaited for decades. It's... normal, I think that emotions would be this high,
Obviously everyone SHOULD judge for themselves.
But sometimes... it's also good to know that one is not alone in the feelings, is it no?
The thing is even if the loumand scene was questionable to say the least and it was reminiscent of armandstat dynamic, they have planted way too many hints this season pointing at something very fishy in past armandstat and they’re just tiptoeing around it, it would make 0 sense not to deal with it in season 4, I just don’t know what they’re doing (in fact I saw a post about this like 10 min ago which is what prompted this ask, I’ll look for it)
I hope they will get to it! I do!
But we've been dancing around SO MANY REVEALS NOW.
The trial, murder night, Lesmand, whatever.
It's been YEARS by now.
They need to get on with it, because if they continue like this people will simply not care anymore when they do get to it.
"The show now doing the "oh Louis needed to apologize for doing that" after Armand entered that dynamic by himself is... something. And it really has nothing to do in a finale for TVL, imho."
Maaaaybe it has nothing to do in a TVL finale unless they are soft launching the Marimand dynamic for S4 already. The d/s Loumand dynamic arc is clearly part of S2 that much is true but it doesn't mean it was completed or that it had fully landed for both the characters and the audience. The conversations about it at that time were that the dynamic was there, but thir point was more to show Armand staging and repeating the circle of his trauma as a way to keep asserting power over Louis.
Am I the only one that read the 3x07 exchange as Louis using Armand's weaknes in order to disarm him rather than a genuine apology (which he DOESN'T own Armand)? This might be me being blown away by Assad's performance, but Armand's trepidation, crying and biting his nails, felt like a delicious amuse buche for what the Armand Marius dynamic will be like.
I agree this scene should have been with Lestat instead Louis. It would have changed the imapct of the finale completely and it probably would have been one of the best secenes of the series in terms of narrative and emotion. But we signed this contract the moment we wanted more Louis in the show and I don't regret it!
I don't regret more Louis in the show either, but I would REALLY appreciate it if they could start to write for Louis and not re-appropriate other character dynamics for him.
Because that is what they have been doing.
And maybe they did it to prepare the Marius/Armand dynamic, could be, but that, too, and while I do not doubt we will get more backstory for them in s4, but I seriously doubt we will have whole bottle episodes for them next season.
And the way this show has been skirting the BDSM elements I don't think the more ... difficult parts of that relationship will translate, actually.
Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think this scene will help much in the long run.
And yes, I heard the comments about Louis' truthfulness there, and all that, but he had no reason to believe Armand would let him go there. No precedent behavior. I don't buy it.
You know the show has fucked up badly when you go through your DMs to see this lol
I think it’s clear to me they struggled setting up all the future arcs for the characters and they struggled adapting this book just because it’s very difficult to adapt and it’s very different from the first book and how it was structured. Overall, I enjoyed the season, the final episode doesn’t ruin things as much as people are thinking right now, emotions are just running fucking high. I think we need to watch the whole season with fresh eyes in a month time and like…let the story be what it is and not what we thought it was gonna be.
Maybe.
But the re-appropriation of character dynamics won't change.
And it will GRATE on every fucking rewatch.
And that bitter taste will stay. Unfortunately.
That said. I will ... give them the grace to unfuck this clusterfuck in season 4.
Because s4 will very much show what this show is, after this... episode.
Helloo
I previously sent two/three asks pertaining Daniel's character, how I found him shallow, childish and out of character this season... Do you feel like he was well done? I'm curious about your opinion... I honestly didn't.
Him being that power hungry, trusting people without questioning, letting Louis be beheaded ESPECIALLY AFTER that open hearted conversation in episode 5 of Season 2? His only friend (Standing by what Eric said)?
And his whole deal with Lestat, is he really that egomaniac, petty that he chose to take a justified holding back as a national offence?
Let's not even talk about his interviewing skills this season, trusting Armand that easily and glossing over the fact that he stalked him for 52 years.
After these two seasons and especially after his chapter in hate and ashbury Daniel feels like... A totally another character. No defining arc as well other than his "transformational trauma" (which we didn't see anything about) that he supposedly abandoned at the end.
What do you think? Thank you!
Hey!
(Sorry, I saw your asks, but ... there's still sooooo many 😅)
I think while I get your points and even subscribe to some of them, it might be good to remember that Daniel was abandoned after his turning and that he is, despite his age, now a little toddler in this new world, and he is like... literally throwing up a facade and at the same time throwing a tantrum, because all that pent up frustration and anger and hurt has to go ... somewhere.
And I think it finds like the worst possible outlet, if that makes sense.
This isn't mortal Daniel.
This is a fledgling who has been left alone to deal with the crippling guilt of killing and the loneliness that comes with this existence.
And it's made him vicious.
Daniel, in the books, goes mad for a while, and Marius takes him in, actually. Cares for him. I don't know what the show will do with Daniel, but just think about what kind of statement is in that book canon event.
Daniel ('s mind) broke under the weight of getting turned, and being a vampire now, and having to kill.
Book Daniel was younger, obviously. And the circumstances were different.
This Daniel has more... grittiness. In the sense that he refuses to break under that weight, if that makes sense.
But that... takes its toll.
And so, for me, actually, Daniel... was not the problem of the characterizations in this season :)
At the end Armand leaves and Fareed's left to attach Louis' head.
Fareed says though that he doesn't have the qualities to reattach Louis' head, could it be that someone else is coming to do that, maybe Seth? 👀
After all they have to introduce him since Fareed's gonna be a vampire someday
Maybe?!
Many people say the season should’ve ended with episode 6 and made episode 7 the first episode of season 4. From the point of view of the surprise effect, episode 6 really is perfect as a finale. But! You know this fandom — they’re never satisfied with anything. I think if that episode had been the finale, they’d have torn it apart anyway and complained about plot holes, the lack of DM, Arman’s motives not being explained, and so on.
I mean, yes, I said that, too :) (re the season ending with 3x06)
I agree that the fandom would still have whined about things. And of course argued about the seance.
But ... this finale, is something else, nonetheless.
Now I’m wondering what rating this episode will get on IMDb.
Will be interesting to see how the more general audience will receive it.
“hannah’s rationalization for it was pretty bad but assad’s was even more horrendous bc he tried to paint louis as the one in power in their relationship by connecting his past as a pimp to armand being a sex slave which was egregious and not their dynamic”
Seen on twitter, and a lot of people share this view. In light of this I think the loumand scene maybe does add context for some viewers because they somehow missed how this WAS very much their dynamic? Don’t get me wrong I think the scene is unnecessary as hell and Hannah should never solo write an episode AGAIN. But at the same time I’m baffled so many people did not catch, in S2, that this was very much their dynamic. (I don’t agree with the “Louis being the one in power”, I’m merely referring to them reverting back to their pimp/sex slave personas)
....... god I HATE saying this, but if they really did not get that before (I guess whips and dog bowls and "Yes, maitre" are too subtle for some) then maybe something like this WAS necessary.
That said.
Like this? Definitely not.
We honestly should’ve saw the change coming with Lesmand when they made the drop happen between Loustat instead
I mean, that is why people went so "WTF" on that, in parts.
Hell, even Lin Codega pointed out in their article back then that it was Armand, who throws Lestat off a tower.
*laughs hollowly*
All of this call out towards Lestat for “killing” his daughter and not once has anyone said this directly to Armand…
Also this is unrelated but every time the drop gets mentioned I have to roll my eyes because this would have never been a thing had they just not did that and the writers know it was extremely abusive which is why I believe they gave it to Lestat instead so that Armand doesn’t get too much hate
They have this habit of constantly bringing up Lestat’s behavior like most of these things weren’t added by them and never happened in the books because why did Lestat have to spend a good portion of the finale of HIS season getting shitted on by other characters
All of this call out towards Lestat for “killing” his daughter and not once has anyone said this directly to Armand…
RIGHT??
Also, indeed to the rest.
https://www.tumblr.com/nalyra-dreaming/822569178209878016/the-saddest-part-of-all-is-the-performances?source=share
Yeah, sadly performances and some songs were the only good parts... cause the adaption of TVL turned out to be total shit made up by writers.
Again, I personally liked episodes 1 through 6.
7 is where it all collapsed.
https://www.tumblr.com/nalyra-dreaming/822551520444825600/will-be-interesting-to-read-tv-insiders-reaction I can't help but notice even this article refers to Armand as Lestat's ex... After episode 7 I'm starting to fear that is the route they're going with it... which doesn't explain why Armand is the moldy bread... In the words of Lestat: Christ.
I know. It's exahausting.