omg reading your wcs/dbm thing and it JUST clicked that she's saying halo hiding my obsession like this good girl exterior is disguising my inner desires/obsession w you omg
YES!!! one of my fave lines in all of reputation for that reason. and the way the halo connects with falling from grace connects with "you know i'm not a bad girl but i do bad things with you" in so it goes and "he looks up grinning like a devil" and and and
her use of religious imagery is so so fascinating. thereâs something about how religion and love and sex are so tied up in her mind i wanna study it further, particularly that it went from offhand christian girlie mentions of god and prayers (âasking god if he could play it againâ and âgod smiles on my little brotherâ) then went pretty silent except for relations to innocent, early love, like "this is me praying that this was the very first page not where the story line endsâ or âthis is a state of grace, this is the worthwhile fightâ and âright there where we stood was holy ground.â
then it comes back with reputation as rae discussed above, and comes back in hot on reputation but especially lover, with an entire song relating sex to keep love alive with a long-term partner, âreligionâs in your lips, the alter is my hips, even if itâs a false god, weâd still worship this loveâ and saying âdesperate people find faith so now i pray to jesus too.â and i also think that the use of âgoddamnâ in ivy is interesting. âoh, goddamn, my pain fits in the palm of your freezing hand // yeah, itâs a fire, itâs the goddamn fight of my life, and you started it // now iâm covered in you // iâd meet you where the spirit meets the bones in a faith-forgotten landâ (relating right back to donât blame me and âi once was poison ivy but now iâm your daisyâ and sheâll be using for the rest of her life.)
then of course um. all of wouldâve, couldâve, shouldâve: âstained glass windows in my mind, i regret you all the time // i wouldâve stayed on my knees and i damn sure never wouldâve danced with the devil at 19 // but the godâs honest truth is that the pain was heavenâ and then back to âno rules in breakable heavenâ and âif you aim at the devil, donât missâ and and and
Diane Warren opens up about co-writing '1989 (Taylor's Verison)' vault track 'Say Don't Go' with Taylor Swift nearly 10 years ago.
The legendary songwriter reflects on co-writing with Swift and demoing the track on New Year's Day 2014: "Everybody's on vacation, but she showed up"
When Taylor Swift dropped 1989 in 2014, Diane Warren wondered why the song they wrote together, âSay Donât Go,â didnât make it on the LPâs tracklist. So when the famed songwriter heard from her lawyer that Swift would finally release it nearly 10 years later, she was surprised â and more than ready.
âEverything has its time, you know? It took a while to see the light of day, but Iâm glad it finally did,â Warren tells Rolling Stone. âIt was worth the wait.â
Warren, who typically writes on her own, says the two of them âsat down and wrote the song,â which was released Friday as one of 1989 (Taylorâs Version)âs vault tracks, âfrom scratchâ during the last few days of 2013. She remembers being impressed with how specific Swift was with her lyricism and how considerate she was about how her fans might receive it.
âShe was very particular about how she said certain things. It was a really interesting experience. She gets her audience,â Warren says. âSheâs deeply aware of how her fans want to hear something. I canât explain it, but thatâs probably why sheâs the biggest fucking star in the world.â
Several days after writing the song together, they got into Warrenâs office to record a demo, where Swift played it on her acoustic guitar. âWe demoed it on New Yearâs Day. And Iâm a workaholic, and thatâs fine for me,â she says. âBut I remember being impressed that she did, too. Everybodyâs on vacation, but she showed up.â
âI was curious what they would do with the record,â she adds. âAnd I assume itâs Jack Antonoff who produced the shit out of the song.â
Warren says she was emailed the song just a few hours before it was released on Friday while at dinner with friends. She says she went outside to listen to the song. âI said, âOh my god, this is fucking awesome,'â she says. âIt was such a surprise to me that the record version was as good as it was. You know what? I hope they release this as a single because I think itâs a fucking hit.â
Her favorite part of the song? When Swift goes up an octave in the trackâs second verse. She also says âSay Donât Goâ was released with the same lyrics they wrote nine years ago: âIt still stands. Itâs timeless.â
Warren attended The Eras Tour earlier this year and sat alongside Swiftâs parents to watch the show. She says she had ânever seen anything likeâ the crowd at her concert. âWhen I first worked with Taylor to where she is now, itâs so crazy. Sheâs probably the most popular person on the planet. Itâs like, wow,â she says. âTaylor Swift could be a cult leader if she wanted to!â
And after the experience, Warren says sheâd be open to working with Swift again. âThe one we did is pretty good, so if sheâs down, Iâd be down. That would be awesome.â
I love how some people are commenting "Tjey aren't dating. They are just having a good time seeing what's going on."
That's the definition of dating people. Dating does not mean exclusive, although personally I was a one at a time girl regardless of dating status. And, I personally think Travis and Taylor are going to feel this out to decide if has legs without introducing another potential partner in the mix.
This. This. This. What do they think dating means?!?! This is dating. Why are people struggling with trying to define it differently. Just call it what it isâŚthey are dating. It seems very simple and straightforward to me.
I've noticed that younger millennials and gen z have a different connotation with the word "dating" than older generations do. To them, "dating" = we are an official, exclusive couple. The stage before that is "talking." So what Taylor and Travis are doing right now would be "talking," even though they are literally...going out on dates. It's very confusing lol
âTaylor is such a brilliant storyteller and a masterful songwriter. When she encountered that generative engine that I have where I make a lot of music that just has feelings and images within itâit was like giving her a canvas that she could then give so much substance to. She has a rare gift to conjure these brilliant, narrative, lustful songs. The chemistry was just instantaneous. It was like a wildfire. One of the things that makes her so exceptional is all the different ways that she makes songs. She can make this elaborate, intricate song like âTolerate Itâ with me, but then she can, with a different hat, make a perfect pop song. She's incredibly versatile.â
â Aaron Dessner to Esquire on his creative chemistry with Taylor (x)
tbh I think this part of the great war is talking about taylor justifying a cheating
like I know we can interpret this in a multitude of ways but as a messy girlie raised by taylor who was also stuck in a mid-shitty relationship... this justified it hits.
Thereâs so many! Iâm trying to consolidate my thoughts on it but I basically view the allusions to infidelity in terms of how she framed each album. With Lover, towards the end thereâs afterglow, which is basically âIâm sorry I accused you of this because this was totally just me and my insecurities, it has nothing to do with youâ which makes total sense within an album striving to look at the net positive growth of the relationship.
In folklore, itâs interesting because the Betty triangle has no conclusive cheating but there is a definite feeling like James betrayed Betty and used this âother womanâ and itâs all kind of contextualized within this âpeople do dumb thingsâ narrative and the overarching point is that Betty and James chose each other in the end anyway. But I believe there was an underlying current of infidelity running through august and âyou were never mineâ and just slowly falling in love with a person who clearly was only with her out of necessity. But still, the message was clear: august was catching feelings for James when she knew he wasnât hers at all. I wonder how any potential Betty would feel knowing that James was halfway flubbing that it was âjust a summer thingâ and how you should take it when a person is saying that when the other woman views it SO differently.
But then we get to hoax which is so clearly antithetical to afterglow in every single way: YOU did this, YOU betrayed me, YOU hurt me. And even though sheâs still saying that she wants him, sheâs calling out the fact that thatâs HER weakness that wants him, instead of her strength.
On evermore, itâs probably the most striking shift because itâs not even like sheâs questioning whether or not he did it (I just canât prove it etc.) and whether or not she should take him back, itâs more concerned with her OWN behavior. What would you do if I did this? What would you do if I were to fuck my hometown ex? What would you do if I said no to your proposal? What would you do if we were married and I cheated on you? I think I would give you forgiveness. I think Iâd kill you and your mistress. I think Iâd just fall out of love with you. The skeletons in both our closets, the ladies lunching, I hurt him too, all point to different possible endings for this thing.
And then you see those same stories recur on midnights: the small town love, the threat of going out, a âgood husbandâ chastising his wife for stepping out and her astonishment at him even noticing, being ultimately alone in my pen, dying within the context of your relationship. I feel like midnights was actively writing the ending to this thing as it was happening.
Iâm not sure that infidelity was the main factor or theme, but it was the plot device she used the most in these albums in almost every song that listed their issues. And those songs seem richer for it because it shows how morally and personally dubious the whole thing became without casting either one of them as an ultimate villain.
Just remembered that the Ariana/Ethan situation reminded me of Miranda Lambert. She dated a guy who left his wife and they dated for 2 years. Miranda dumped him and then he went back to his wife and they had a kid.
The guy is Evan Felker, the lead singer of my favorite band the Turnpike Troubadours. He was a mess during that time -- heavily addicted to prescription drugs and alcohol. He left Miranda, got sober and remarried his wife and they have two kids now!
The band also went on a several year hiatus when all this was going on and just got back together last year. I went a concert in April and there were several "FUCK MIRANDA LAMBERT" shirts in the audience. Lol
Taylor Swift performs onstage during "The Eras Tour " at Paycor Stadium on June 30, 2023 in Cincinnati, Ohio. (Photo by Taylor Hill/TAS23/Getty Images for TAS Rights Management)
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