So I think the award shows need a new category “Best Supporting Prop”

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So I think the award shows need a new category “Best Supporting Prop”
"it was awkward to see colin flirt and behave like a rake" "he gave me the ick" yes ! that is the fucking point!! congratulations! you have the media literacy skills of a fucking monkey because my 4-year old niece could understand it better than you do.
we are supposed to find colin cringey and annoying and get the ick because that is not who he is. he is not anthony, or simon, or even benedict. colin (apart from gregory) is the sweetest of all bridgerton brothers (i'm going by book canon) and his most identifiable character trait is the fact that he values an emotional connection above everything. he runs away to the continent because he wants to feel that emotional connection. he has meaningless sex in brothels because that is the example he has seen growing up, that is the norm. he tries so hard to fit into the norm. he goes out drinking, adopts an entirely new personality, learns flirtations because that is how he thinks he will fit in. he's got armour on, as violet said. he puts everyone's needs above his own, he stops rambling on and boring his family with details of his trip because he knows no one cares. he doesn't talk to anthony or benedict about his heartaches because he knows they still, somewhere in their heart of hearts, view him as the annoying younger brother. he's so devastated by his closest friend not responding to him that he adopts a new personality in the hopes that it might mask the hurt better. he runs after penelope in episode one because he is so attuned to her emotions that he knows she's hurting, and tries to comfort her even when she's spiraling and lashes out. he must have been hurt by her words in the "good night mr bridgerton" scene but he puts it aside to genuinely apologise to her when literally no one else in that family would do that. colin, instead of brooding over his own feelings, goes and corners penelope in her family's garden and apologises to her, disregarding his own hurt at being cruelly dismissed by his close friend.
penelope asking colin to kiss her is not a mark of how "pathetic" she is. she has written and shamed herself in a manner that is almost entirely unsalvageable. she is at her lowest point, and then portia comes in and reminds her of how undesirable she is, and she sinks even lower. she asks colin to kiss her because she sees it as a final act, after which she can quietly wave goodbye to her dreams of ever getting married and leaving her mother's home. colin kisses her because he is also keenly aware of how she's feeling. he knows how hurt she is, he wants to do anything to alleviate that. be it cracking a joke, or kissing her. he is gentle, because he wants it to be something she can dream of when she's by herself. penelope, at this moment, has no hope for herself, and their kiss is an act of letting go for her. no, it's not a pity kiss, no he did not like her after her glow up, he has always loved her. him being struck dumb is a reaction to her physical transformation, nothing more. he does not flirt with her in that ballroom scene, he only approaches her when she's in distress. he's not flirting with her. i can assure you penelope could wear the frumpiest most neon yellow gown of all time and colin would still go "<333 my pen" for her.
colin jumps to catch the balloon's ropes because he sees that penelope is in danger, he does not give a shit about anyone else lmao. he feels temporary relief when he sees eloise run to safety, but the moment he sees penelope in immediate danger, he rushes to take action. afterwards, when he sees that she's being comforted by debling (all my homies hate debling, even if he is aro/ace coded i do NOT claim him) he does not approach her. it would be easy for him to do so, but he does not, because he respects her boundaries. colin bridgerton is the only man in the ton who respects women (the featherington sons-in-laws are too pretty to have a thought) he calls out fife and his friends for treating women like objects and calls them cavalier. the only way he would have been more explicit about his demisexuality was if he tap danced on the club table (entertaining thought, luke newton please)
colin also rapidly takes action, something which no one in the show has done so far. simon would have died instead of accepting his feelings for daphne, daphne would have been content with a loveless marriage forever instead of asking for help. kate would have pushed edwina down the aisle and gone off to india instead of confronting her own feelings, and anthony would have married edwina if she hadn't been brave enough for the three of them to run from the altar and ruin herself. penelope stood on the sidelines for years and loved him quietly because she had no hope of him loving her back. colin, the moment he is assured of his feelings, runs to penelope, almost kisses her in the middle of a ballroom. when he hears that debling is about to propose, he goes to the ball, just to dissuade penelope one more time. he cuts into their dance because he's desperate. when he runs after her carriage, he asks her if she has been proposed to, because he would not have touched her otherwise. he confesses his feelings to her only when he knows that she hasn't gotten engaged to debling, and when she says "but we are friends" he moves away. nothing more. he would have let her go, if she did not return his feelings.
idk whether i should be flattered or offended at people misunderstanding this season because on one hand it is offensive, but on the other hand, it means only smart people get polin. seriously. your minds have been rotted by insta-love and enemies to lovers that you can't even appreciate the innate beauty of friends to lovers. being friends with someone and then holding all those feelings for them. the trepidation of possible rejction. the fulfillment of being loved by the person who knows you the best of them all. the privilege of loving someone whose feelings you know better than your own. love is gentle and kind and yes it is a violent, uprooting force but above all, love does not hurt anyone. it does not hurt you. i could love someone quietly for years and it wouldn't bother me if their feelings were requited or not because my feelings are none of their business and i consider it a privilege to love and be loved by them, even if it is not in the way i would want it to be. polin are privileged in the highest sense. they know each other better than anyone else, they know how to love each other better than anyone else. to think they are rushed or they dont deserve each other is a disservice to both of them. they would be miserable with anyone else.
in other matters, if i see one more person talking smack about luke or nicola behind the safety of their screens i will personally get a bazooka.
Jamie writes a/b/o fanfic about himself
Lmaooo.....in his version of events is he an alpha or an omega 🤔
Obviously Jamie (omega) funnels his deep sexual need (love the word he is looking for is love) for Roy (alpha) into writing IRL smut about them hooking up which he publishes on AO3 under the pen name 💕Jamie_Kent 💕🍆💦🍑.
Which Roy discovers when his sister sends him a screenshot as a laugh only he reads the fic and sees too many breadcrumbs indicating it must be someone inside Richmond.
Cut to weeks of paranoid Roy trying to figure out who it is while simultaneously reading all the smut in order to collect “evidence” only to stumble across a reference only Jamie would know.
Finally culminating in love confessions and re-enactments of favorite scenes from Jamie’s fics (also when Jamie finally retires and starts a second career as a smutty romance novelist he never admits how he got started).
I give this plot bunny freely. Please for the love of BELIEVE someone write this.
Decisions were made….
I have never been more happy to not be on reddit. (I don't even have login info for there, lol.)
How you interpret a show is how you interpret it. It 100% doesn't matter what gets said by critics, other fans, people who worked on the show, your friends, etc.
What matters is how you interpret something and how you feel.
But how you interpret something doesn't make your way 100% right, either. And how you feel might not align with other folks.
The amount of discourse on here and Twitter has been bonkers since the finale.
It's a show. But it is just a show.
(It's a sign. But it is just a sign.)
And yes, that show means something to a lot of us. But what matters most is how it made you feel in here (your heart), up here (your head), and down here (your gut).
I'm going to carry this show with me for as long as I can form coherent thoughts. Was it perfect? Hell no. Was it problematic? Sometimes. But did it make me think?
Yes.
Plus...
This show gave me you. It gave us us. We're this weird little community who bonded over ships that will sail on for-fucking-ever in gorgeous stories and stunning artwork created by fans.
So once you are done being sad and/or angry this week, let's not be goldfish (because I don't buy that about certain things... sorry, Ted). But let's continue to be curious. Be kind. Be there for each other. ❤️
Maybe it’s sad because it’s Ted leaving behind a life he wanted…for a life he wants more. There’s a necessary loss in making a choice there, just like in real life. So in that way it’s very well done, but also feels really unsatisfying and sad because it’s essentially the death of a dream in favor of pursuing a different one. And that’s…sad. And that’s…life. And that’s simultaneously artistically beautiful and heart-shatteringly grief-inducing at once.
@trialanderrorgirl Thank you for putting it so beautifully. I didn’t have the words.
someone PLEASE make a gifset of all the things Jamie and Cockburn are doing in the background of locker room scenes because I just remembered they did a jump high-five in the finale that cracked me up. This is so extra.
other things I’ve noticed:
them either trying to double high-five and failing miserably or straight up playing pattycake
constantly knocking each other on the shoulder or pointing at each other
and one absolutely brilliant moment where Cockburn goes in for a fist bump and Jamie meets him with a high-five and then they both turn away from each other in shame. genuinely almost cried laughing when I noticed that in the background.
Phil and Dejon must have been having a blast that whole season.
thoughts on jamie and his dad in the finale?
I do have thoughts, yeah. Have a few of them, nonny, somewhat scattered, because I’m not quite ready to put all of it down into a fully cohesive statement:
First off, I don’t mind it. I am side-eyeing Ted a bit for encouraging it like that (though it is an advice perfectly consistent with Ted’s character, and I do dig that Ted Lasso as a show lets good characters be wrong), but I’m neither oppossed to Tartt Sr. trying to better himself or Jamie making the choice to maybe give him a second chance.
That said, I think it’s important to note that this is Jamie’s choice, and only one of several he could have made. He would have been perfectly justified in refusing any contact with his dad, no matter how sober Tartt Sr. got or how much he changed. Jamie doesn’t owe his dad a thing.
And you know, this might not turn out to be the best choice for Jamie, but I think it’s perfectly logical that it’s the one he would make, given who he is as a person. Partly because Ted encourages him too, and Jamie does have a habit of actually listening to advice and trusts Ted (rightly, and then sometimes wrongly); partly because he is struggling with how to relate to his dad these days, and is willing to give this a go to see if it will actually ease something within him; and partly, I think, out of a sense of gratitude over the second chance Jamie himself was given. Obviously you can’t compare Jamie’s bad behaviour with James’ bad behaviour, but I don’t find it unlikely that Jamie might reflect on the fact that him being a prick was due to his father, and wonder what caused his father to be such an absolute asshole, and want to pass on the grace he himself was given.
And to be clear, I don’t take a moral stance on this, like “of course Jamie should forgive his dad because that is how he frees himself of the pain his father’s caused” or “Jamie should never forgive his dad because his dad is unforgiveable and I’m pissed at the text for showing him doing this”. I’m okay with what happens because it’s a choice that I can believe Jamie would make, and because the ambiguity of their ending leaves the door open for multiple interpretations of their relationship moving forwards.
We don’t know if Tartt Sr. is going to permanently change for the better, after all: he could relapse tomorrow (and frankly, it’s likely that he does at some point – recovery is a damned rocky road). Even if he doesn’t, we don’t know that him and Jamie will actually ever repair their relationship, or if Jamie will ever actually forgive him. They’re trying for now (unless it’s all just Ted’s dream of the future he’d like for them), but it could still go any which way. I do like that in a series’ finale: open-endedness, that allows for multiple roads forward in all the fic and meta I hope we continue to have.
I have seen some concerns that Jamie is actually endangering himself by reconnecting with his father, especially when he first reaches out in 3x11, well before he knows that Tartt Sr. is in rehab. These are valid concerns to be sure, but I’m not actually worried, for three reasons:
1. Jamie texting his dad doesn’t necessarily means he plans to meet with him at that point. I think it is partly motivated by some vague notions of giving this forgiveness lark a go, but that it’s also motivated by a need to know why his father wasn’t at the game, where the hell he is. It’s freaking me the fuck out, he notes when he can’t find his dad in the stands. If Tartt Sr. had replied with a drunken rant or insults, I don’t think Jamie would have suggested that they meet up (though unfortunately he might have, because Jamie doesn’t always make the best calls). He’s sending out a feeler, and when the response is (we must believe) far more positive than he could ever have expected, he decides to see where this might lead.
2. I think it’s utterly vital that when we see them together in 3x12 it’s at the rehab facility. Not only because that suggest that (at least for the time being) Tartt Sr. remains invested in his recovery, but because it’s a safe place to meet. Jamie’s dad is contained, removed from Jamie’s everyday life, and Jamie can see him there and then leave and feel somewhat secure in the knowledge that his dad can’t get to him, can’t see him unless Jamie actively chooses to visit. It can be entirely on Jamie’s terms for now: that’s very important.
3. Jamie does have a much wider support net than once he did. Apart from his mum and Simon, he has the team, he has Roy and Keeley – and they all know about his situation with his father. There’s no need to hide that shit from them, so throughout the process and if things go south, Jamie won’t be alone: he’ll have access to people and help (and a therapist, given that Dr. Sharon is back at Richmond) in a way he never had before. If he wants to take a chance on his father, this is not a terrible position to do it from.
If this doesn't work for you, that's fair enough, but this is how I make sense of Jamie and his dad, for now.
Oh, and a quote from a new interview with Phil Dunster to send you off. Do with it what you will (I personally don't think we actually need to consider actors' thoughs on the text unless we want to, but thought this was interesting enough).
“I think in the scripts the writers had put that they wanted it to be clear that it wasn’t resolved necessarily, but they were trying. These are two people who have had a very difficult past, and they are trying. James, who is Jamie’s dad, is trying by turning up to the rehab. Jamie is trying by being there to see his dad. It’s starting an old relationship anew. It’s just further character development. As we saw in Episode 11, Jamie, at Ted’s suggestion, tries to forgive his dad — but for himself — and I think that this is him doing that.”
^^^^
This is a really lovely interview
The Season 3 (and presumed series) finale of Apple TV+’s Ted Lasso brought closure for most of the characters, including Phil Dunster’s refo
So I held it together until the final response:
Something something Jamie realising Roy and Keeley have broken up and when they walk in separate directions he actually follows Roy to express concern and offer comfort vs Roy seeing Jamie and Keeley sharing a happy moment and following Jamie to invite him out for a drink as a pretense just to actually mark territory over Keeley. Not sitting right with me
Okay so interesting fact is this actually tracked for me in the show but I couldn’t for the life of me articulate why beyond a vague sense of life is messy and growth isn’t linear (shout out to Higgins dropping knowledge) but this post just clicked it for me.
Jamie is further along on the journey. Like he spent most of Season 2 on this very personal journey of growth and while we don’t know if he kept up with therapy we know that he did see Sharon at least once.
But Roy never did. Season 2 was his listlessness/figuring out what’s next for his career and his relationship with Keeley, but the emotional heavy lifting? The rage? When did he really address that?
The show has been showing us he struggles. And Roy himself has been telling us. When he told Phoebe that he was worried he was a bad influence. When he broke up with Keeley and told Ted the story about leaving Chelsea. When he apologies to Jamie for taking stuff out on him that isn’t his fault and that he refused to every ride a bike because his Grandfather died before he could teach him.
My boy has some issues and could REALLY benefit from some CBT (most of us would). So it actually seems to track that he’d fall back into some previous patterns of thinking.
I actually think in the moment he thought he was doing the healthy thing. Taking his best friend out for a drink to tell him that he’s trying to work things out with their mutual ex. But for Jamie who had just been really vulnerable and open with Roy about how much he means to him it didn’t land that way so he got his hackles up and things escalated from there.
That said I think we did see some positive growth in the fact that (1) at some point after this escalated to a fistfight they actually stopped fighting and agreed on a nonviolent solution (a stupid solution but you know progress), (2) after Keeley kicked both those dumbasses to the curb they apparently made peace over kebabs, and (3) Roy actually opened up to the Diamond Dogs and eventually sought therapy.
So in conclusion to quote my old man Teddy Lasso
“I hope that either all of us, or none of us, are judged by the actions of our weakest moments, but rather the strength we show when and if we're ever given a second chance.”
Some of these takes on the end of Ted Lasso are… um.
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just went through the ted lasso tag and i'm really surprised at all the criticism the finale got. i felt like it gave the show a bit of a 'slice of life' feeling. not everything has to be addressed, not everything has to be resolved. these people will be okay and we got to spent 3 years with them.
with all the emphasis in romance in our society nowadays isn't it nice to have people love each other and be friends? and maybe things will develope, who knows.
all we need to know is that they're trying. and isn't that the richmond way?
I will not look under the tag tonight because I can’t take y’all’s whacked out theories or blind anger, but I will say this…
Ted Lasso is home with his son. Rebecca Welton is with a man who loves her and became a mother. Roy Kent is taking care of himself emotionally. Jamie Tartt is healing. Keeley Jones is thriving independently. Nate Shelley came home. Sam Obisanya achieved his lifelong dream.
That’s all I need ❤️💛💙
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This. Just this. 🥹
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It was beautiful and perfect and absolutely gorgeous
Omg Rupert are you seriously telling them to sweep the leg
Okay calling it now Michelle drops that bag of dicks Dr. Jacobs gets back with Ted and they move to London
It’s been a long con to fake us out
Please please please 🙏
If they go dirty and hurt my baby girl Jamie I will end them