I have seen quite the opposite with Bkdk shippers though. They do acknowledge how Bakugou was a bully to Midoriya, so it's not new information to them. I have seen plenty of Bkdk shippers who don't actually like MS!bkdk as a ship.
Also, continuously calling Bakugou an abuser and Midoriya a victim really just continuously ignores the development they both go through both together and as separate people.
Bakugou was an abuser. Midoriya was a victim. Wouldn't it be fair to acknowledge that? To acknowledge their development?
Whenever I see people "fall victim" to the ship it's because of that development. Not because they like an abuser with a victim. It's when they're equals to each other.
It's really the other way around. Bkdk shippers are always the ones to acknowledge everything around their relationship. But it's others who don't ship them to ignore bits and pieces of their relationship.
And what about people who like them together but as friends? Is that "sick"?
Or that gets a pass because it's not romantic? But wouldn't that also undermine how even friendships can be just as close and meaningful as a romantic one?
Because if Bakugou is the abuser and Midoriya is the victim, then they shouldn't have any kind of relationship?
And if you keep seeing Bkdk content that is actually a you problem, not the fault of shippers. I have ships I don't like some being just as problem as Bkdk but I am not bombarded with fanworks of those ships because I know how to avoid them.
That statement I seen too many times so it's hard to believe that Bkdk content just shows up for you all the time when meanwhile I can avoid ships I don't like. Heck, I don't even see Bkdk works all the time either. Can go months without seeing it just fine.
I don't talk about those ships unless someone brings them to my attention, I use the exclude tool on AO3 easily, I block out tags, I don't purposely go into the ship tags...
If I do see the ships I don't like it's because someone else may mis-tagged, or someone I'm following ships them, or again someone brings that ship to my attention.
But that doesn't push me to be like "these shippers are sick". Shippers can be annoying, no matter the ship, yes. But it just seems like because of your annoyance over the ship you did take it to the extreme and blame shippers through calling them "sick" and "wrong" which itself is just cruel.
You probably don't care about that though because you keep saying it.
You making it seem like Bkdk shippers are trying to force you to ship them by having fan content out there and you have to engage with it. Is it just Bkdk you have a problem with? It's popular, yes, so you're going to see it. But what about ships that are worse than them? Or other ships you hate, unless that's the only ship you hate?
There's no need to thank me for not being mean to you. I just know not to be harsh on people who haven't done anything to me personally. I don't see why I should call you names and bash on you for your preferences.
THIS ONLY APPLIES TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE GOOD PEOPLE AND HAVE MORAL STANDARDS. THE FACTS ONLY MATTER WHEN MORALS ARE INVOLVED
Just had a conversation with my youngest sister, we’ve a pretty large age gap and she recently got into mha and her also young friend ships bkdk. I was explaining to her how I didn’t like the ship. And since it’s just her friend who ships it and not her personally she saw that I didn’t like it and also that her friend who is like, criminally young idk for sure how young, does like it and she was like wait why don’t you like it?
Don’t you ship bktd what are you talking about?
So I got to explaining how no one can ignore that Katsuki abused izuku. That’s just a fact and it’s not anyone’s opinion, physical and mental abuse. That’s why hori showed us the difference between pre k bkdk friendship and middle school bkdk. I explained that it’s so clear in the anime and manga especially that Katsuki would religiously berate and put down Izuku. Throwing his stuff and telling Izuku to kill himself and pray he’d be born with the power that could let him become what he’s wanted to be since he was four more than once. She was convinced that since we only see him say it to Izuku once that that means he only ever said it once.
And that since we only see him bully Izuku a few times that it didn’t happen often. …Cue me explaining what reading in between the lines and what storytelling is, and I’ve explained that horikoshi for obvious reasons can’t show every single scene of every single day throughout pre k and middle school of Katsuki being abusive. And the abuse of him just straight up hitting Izuku during UA. And how yes even HITS in UA can be abusive and not just training and being heroes in training. She’s young but it’s disgusting to imply that when Bakugou would hit him in UA (for example during the first villain vs hero training exercise) that it wasn’t abusive and just being heroes.
She asked me multiple times, but what if they heal? Bakugou got better, they’re not victim and abuser anymore, they’re friends now, can they not be friends then?
So I explained to my young sibling that healing from 10 or 11 years of abuse doesn’t heal in the course of three years. This is not reality, therefore there is not room to say “well it’s a special case, everyone copes and heals differently and at a different pace” this is a decade of abuse from a close friend that Izuku looks up to. This isn’t occasional exclusion or last pick in PE.
This is physical, mental, emotional, teachers watching and turning a blind eye, classmates encouraging, Katsuki demeaning, hitting, telling him to take swan dives off the roof. This is the years of crucial development that mold Izuku into the person he is today. Literally.
We can’t pretend like the story of MHA was start to finish of bkdk friendship healing. And she next would retort with well I think you’re overthinking things, it’s just a show, people can ship whoever they want.
1000% you can ship whoever you want and I have no issue with it. That’s the hard honest truth. People ship Megumi and Gojo, idc, people ship Izuku and ms joke, idc, people ship Gojo and Yuuji! I’ve READ Gojo and Yuuji ff, is that weird? Totally, are the ships weird? For the most part, YEAH. But it’s fiction, these people aren’t real. In moderation. Acknowledging that yes this can be weird.
Bkdk isn’t real, the issue isn’t that you ship them, that’s fine whatever WHO. CARES. The issue is bkdk shippers saying the ship is OKAY, that it’s healthy now ‘bc both parties healed’ that’s the issue. The issue is people saying that it would work, when it’s so unhealthy to promote that, to kid ourselves and pretend like it would. That’s the issue, the issue is that these bkdk shippers who have deluded themselves into thinking it’s okay walk among us! THEYRE ALL AROUND US!
Average everyday people going through life thinking a relationship (romantic) between THE abuser and THE victim is okay.
If you ship bkdk and you realize it’s unhealthy and would never get past dating stages AND would be BAD for both parties sure dude you do you I have nothing against you you’re doing fine and you’re sane, and morally good. The issue is the ones who ship it and DONT think those things.
This can’t be just my opinion - it.. LITERALLY CANT be because abuser and victim are literally morally wrong.
They can be friends, and they will have just as many fights as normal and just as many and more issues as any other friendship. But as I had to explain to my sister there is a difference between a platonic friendship and a sexual romantic marriage. A sexual romantic BOND will never work out between bkdk.
It’s ok for children to not know that, and it’s alr for people to learn that, but it’s not okay by moral standards (it being ‘(wrong)by moral standards’ like everything else, is what makes doing it WRONG) to promote bkdk to thousands and thousands of people children included and say this ship is the best, it makes the most sense, their relationship was leading up to this.
Are we starting to see the issue?
She then says: well if the issue is about abuser and victim how do you ship bktd! If bkdk doesn’t work how does bktd. So i explained again that me shipping bktd has nothing to do with the facts of bkdk’s unfortunate reality, but that yes she has a good point.
The difference between bkdk and bktd is light and day.
Izuku will always be a victim to what Katsuki did.
Shouto will always be a victim to what Enji did.
I know this may step on some people’s toes, but know I’m not speaking naively, I’m not saying someone can never heal from what they’ve been through - but healing does NOT make reality go away. Healing from abuse does not mean it never happened, healing is living with and evolving through what happened. Katsuki STILL did that, Izuku STILL went through it. These things cannot be denied? And if we want to act like they can be in interested to see what people come up with, genuinely.
That doesn’t just poof out of existence when they forgive each other.
The difference with bktd (once again, not that it makes a difference to whether bkdk is bad) is that as aforementioned: Katsuki WAS an abuser, he HAS healed (for the most part), but he will live everyday as someone who has hurt Izuku. Shouto has healed, and continues to heal just as Katsuki does. Reformed abuser and healed/healing victim. It works like THE abuser and THE victim doesn’t and never will.
I know it sounds like I’m attacking your ship so it’s hard to read the words and not react but see what the facts say? This ain’t about me being better than you, dear reader please see past your pride.
Izuku is the person he is today not ONLY bc of the abuse he’s suffered at Katsuki hands, ofc not, but that is one of the factors. I am the person I am today through my father’s iron fist. My mother’s exhausted parenting, Izuku is the person he has become bc of inkos single parenting AND bc of Katsuki’s 360 abuse, and bc of every other small moment through our lives.
They cannot heal right beside each other, you cannot heal from someone who hurt you as you live your everyday life with them. And I understand, I see it too guys, but it would NEVER make it past dating.
Once again, shipping bkdk is fine, something I guess I didn’t preface enough in my last response was that it’s not NOT okay to ship bkdk in general- but it’s morally (again, it being against moral standards is what makes it wrong) wrong to ship them and say it’s healthy.
Ships are fine, all of them, but shipping brothers and brothers, or abuser and victim, or father and son and saying it’s okay and alright and WORKS is the issue. Indulging too much is an/the issue, desensitizing ourselves to the issues is not okay. Bkdk may not be real but the people shipping them ARE. THAT is why I’m not overthinking things. These are real people behind these internet profiles.
That child with the bkdk charm is a developing person, more than likely not understanding and never having been told that it’s not healthy in any way. Growing up thinking it’s okay. And yes, maybe their life will never develop to a time where them thinking bkdk is healthy is an issue.
This may seem super dramatic, “Roo, why tf are you breaking down over ppl shipping bkdk when there are literally wars happening all over he world, there are much bigger issues” 100% there are, but bigger problems existing does not mean we ignore the smaller ones.
Just because two people are equals does not mean everything has gone back to normal and the past never happened. In a realistic real world with bkdk it would at most be one sided from a guilty Katsuki.
I’ll come back to this post later and remember I forgot sm important but as of rn this is all I can think of.
Once again, bkdk shippers who are reading this: I don’t hate you, you’re fine dude probably a great person I’d love to talk too, you shipping them is great too, live your life.
I will not take back my statement, I will tweak it though: ALL bkdk shippers who ship it and do not acknowledge publicly that it is unhealthy and would never realistically work are gross disgusting and harmful.
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