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Now the fandom is dead. Who was the worst person you dealt with for drama? What was the worst overall drama? And did anyone redeem themselves?

Worst: in terms of drama, it would be v0rgtron (the people who harassed Karen Lance & VLD voice actors nonstop) & the anti who penned the Klible. In terms of actual damage caused, it would probably be the ones who dragged completely innocent bystanders (kids, classmates, pride parade, etc.) into the discourse nonsense by taking photos/videos of them & posting them online with pro-k/ance & anti-she1th stuff.

Honestly, I don’t think anybody redeemed themselves (except ironically the author of the Dirty Laundry fic - short history lesson: they wrote the most infamous/popular K/ance fic, got trashed by the fandom [ironically mostly k/ance fans were involved in defaming the author], so they took a break from the fandom & came back just to replace the entire fic with the Bee Movie script as a fuck you to them since AO3 wouldn’t let it be deleted).

Mostly, both sides of the pro-anti VLD fandom just exposed more & more of their ugliness/hypocrisy* (like zillabean’s deranged rants about how Straight Shiro was cosmically important to her as her dream husbando & certain tumblr klantis diving into works like Devilman Crybaby with no moral dilemmas whatsoever, etc.).

*Yeah, We’re not exempt from this either. We are fully aware that We made a lot of fuck-ups with this blog & some of Our, well, rants about VLD’s writing were seriously off at times.

#tribute #answered really late because We caught the flu #did you know that the flu can make you feel like youre being crushed by a lead quilt because we sure didnt #remember to get your shots on time and dont wait until literally AFTER you get sick #Anonymous

I did a brave thing tonight

An anti, (who COULD have been underaged), continued to speak to me in the DMs, even mentioning their relationship status to me, an ADULT!!

I had to do it. I had to block them for their own good.

What if the conversation became inappropriate? What if I said “fuck off” to them & they took it as sexual harassment? What if I tricked into doxxing themselves like the last underaged anti I spoke to???

It was too dangerous, so I went ahead & hit the block button first because I have better things to do than to DM someone at 1 AM in the morning to insult them.

#hpl #I think it's the same anti who said that Devilman Crybaby is for antis only #but honestly they all say the same things so it's hard to keep track sometimes

What on earth is the context for you header? I recognize it as a kink meme and the words yoi and vontron but that's it tbh....

The context for it is that there was an online multi-fandom roleplay community on dreamwidth.org that was set in a sci-fi setting. (Eluvio from 2017).

Basically, X character from Y canon suddenly found themselves on a spaceship & they were given missions by the native aliens to do whatever on the planets the ship was traveling to.

The community was super popular & quickly hit max capacity in terms of characters it could handle. And then this went down:

The mods: uhhh well we didn’t expect that so many people would put underaged characters in a horror sci-fi survival setting. so now that you’ve joined after writing up a whole application & spending 2 months having your character interact with other players, we’re putting restrictions in.

The players: wait what

The mods: from now on, there’s going to be a cap on how many underaged characters can join the game and they can’t be allowed in the red light district or on military missions. we want a MATURE game, not one that’s filled with children.

The players: wait WHY???

The mods: our NPC aliens feel very strongly against child soldiers & inappropriate activities. also it’s more realistic, mature & goes in line with OUR vision & plot.

The players: well what if our character tried to bribe or blackmail them?

The mods: NO. NO FLEXIBILITY HERE. I DON’T CARE IF YOU HEADCANON LANCE TO BE A MONTH AWAY FROM 18, HE WILL START OUT AS 17 & 0 MONTHS* & YOU WILL HAVE TO PLAY FOR A WHOLE YEAR BEFORE HE IS ALLOWED ON SPACE MISSIONS. WE & OUR NPCS ARE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH 17 YEAR OLD CHILD SOLDIERS!!! (but we’re comfortable enough to let them in for like 2 whole months just to pad out our game i guess)

And this....led to a lot of issues. Now only the characters from Yuri On Ice or Osomatsu-san were allowed to carry out sci-fi black ops missions while Voltron characters like Pidge, Lance, Hunk & Keith (before his age reveal in the guidebook), Naruto Shippuden characters, Attack on Titan characters & even The Walking Dead characters were forced to sit in the metaphorical McDonald’s play place. Some players argued for a suitability meter where underaged characters with experience in combat/military/tech would be given a pass, but that was shot down.

*Characters who didn’t have canon ages & thus their players just picked a number that seemed close - well, their ages would now be treated as CANON & therefore if you picked 17 & put that in your game application & your canon timepoint never mentioned a birthday coming up or passing, your character now started at 17 years & 0 months no matter what.

Also yes, the Dangan Ronpa 2 players asked how this would affect them since they were playing from the game so they had “characters who aren’t 18+ yet but are technically irl because they’re just virtual avatars”. The mods never responded.

There was a lot of mockery going on in the anon forums about the mods, with some people who defended the mods (ranging from “nothing about the rules says that future events will be mature & younger characters can’t join them” to ”yeah fuck the anime players! i don’t want my grizzled 30+ year sergeant dealing with some bratty anime teen!”).

And thus, the responses below it became Our header.

And then the mods put up this poll:

“a) do what we say BUT we raise the character cap a little for underaged characters

b) do what we say

c) we’re shutting the whole game down because you won’t obey us”

Most players voted for option A, but the mods shut down the game anyway, claiming that they “respected” the players so much & that’s why they were doing it. And then everybody lost faith in them, even their defenders.

YUP.

We found this whole scenario to be uncannily similar to how arbitrary & ridiculous the standards & excuses made by voltron antis were. In Our opinion, it’s still uncanny, even to this day. (Even down to the fact that people were also rallying to make a new Eluvio but then nothing came of it.)

#vld discourse #voltron discourse #pro-shaladin #tribute #long #summon-daze

tazuransi

PLEASE HELP!!

this person reposted my art, started insulting plance shippers and claimed plance as a “pedophilic” ship. Thankfully they haven’t reposted any other art from other artists.

I cannot believe this. Just when I thought I could back into the vld fandom, this happens.

Please report this person!

(note: I know klance shippers are not that toxic, some are pretty nice and friendly! But this is just showing the bad side of obsessive shipping).

grumpy-old-fandommom

Why is this still happening

The show’s over

We all hit 00 on the shipping roulette

Asdfjhgkfhjjjgffhg

@antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx @huntypastellance @celciusdiscourse @bigsnakediscourse @bigbadfujin @just-antithings @sugarnitwitch @kidgephobe @block-report-program2 @theassholeantiarchive2-0

I’m so sorry OP that this happened :(

#klantis #vld discourse #voltron discourse #it never ends

Do you know of any antis who have had actual legal repercussions from what they’ve done?

As far as I can tell, no.

Absolutely zero antis have faced legal repercussions for anything they’ve done.

The McHanzo zine is still going through the legal processes (if you haven’t heard of that one, basically the person in charge of the zine & all monetary aspects of it was a Voltron klanti & she jacked around $1.4k of the proceeds for her own personal use - which was mostly Lance fan merch. The money was SUPPOSED to go to charity & she ghosted everyone after that happened & the resulting zine product was incredibly subpar-looking.) but I haven’t heard any updates on that one yet.

#tribute #Anonymous

It looks like the 4th volume of the vld comics by lionforge was cancelled (article is by geekdad). It's possible that onipress buying it had something to do with it, but I think it's also because the negative feedback the news received when they first announced it

That sucks for the people who were supposed to work on it, but content-wise, I don’t think the fandom or the canon is going to miss much. The VLD comics have been all filler so far.

It’s possible we MIGHT have gotten some content regarding Shiro’s sexuality and his romantic relationships (since there’s more leeway in comics to put that kinda stuff in), but considering how devoid all 3 books have been regarding worldbuilding & character development, I doubt that.

The most interesting part from the comics was Hunk being advised/comforted by Lance, since the show, for the most part, didn’t really expand on or show them actually being best friends (just the two of them I mean. There were a lot of Garrison trio moments, but no “Hunk & Lance have a sincere heart to heart” only moments.)

#tribute #Anonymous

agoddamn

I don’t really enjoy defending the Voltron dev team because I think there’s a lot to be rightfully critical of, but the catch-22 they were in with Shiro is so obvious.

S7 production: they don’t know if they’re gonna be able to air the gay version of the Shiro and Adam scene or the Good Pals one almost until the show actually drops. ~Anonymous source~ aside, this is proven by the fact that alternate hetero subtitles were accidentally left in when the season dropped. I don’t know how everyone’s passing around that article with HAH I KNEW THEY LIED when multiple VAs stated that it was a struggle getting Shiro’s sexuality approved and we have actual, physical evidence of a hetero version of that scene existing, corroborated by the VA who participated in it? Is everyone so desperate for grudgewank that we forgot that happened?

S7 production: because they don’t know what’s gonna be allowed, the rest of S7 cannot be written with Shiro and Adam as explicit lovers. All of Voltron’s episodes drop at once–there’s no such thing as “ok we’ll see what the reaction is and then we’ll adjust the rest of the season from there”. So they killed off Adam to avoid the Schrodinger’s homo situation that had inadvertently been created. Voltron was produced at breakneck fucking speed and they didn’t have the time or resources to animate two different scenes banking that Shiro/Adam would be okayed. From a position of unknowns, hedging their bets and killing Adam was the best choice. They could even squeeze some extra drama out of his death for Shiro, who notoriously had absolutely nothing to do in the plot by this point because he did not exist in the initial draft. His mourning Adam was incredibly tiny, but without it he had literally fucking nothing written.

S8 production: well, fuck. The good news is, they got to make Shiro/Adam explicit. The bad news is, they hadn’t planned this far ahead. The writers struggled continuously with integrating Shiro into the story arcs after his planned death, and the Adam situation was only the latest chapter. The fandom had hyped themselves into a frenzy with the canon gay reveal, and then driven themselves into a berserker rage with Adam’s death, erroneously accusing the writers of Bury Your Gays even though Shiro was very much alive.

S8 production: so now what?

That shitty article declares the wedding should have been cut, but come the fuck on. Have a little respect for my intelligence. You and me both know that if the wedding had been cut, the fan rage would have been fucking NUCLEAR.

In the alternate universe where they didn’t make that wedding epilogue, that same writer would be pounding out another article about how Lauren and Joachim LITERALLY gay-bashed him by not giving Shiro a boyfriend after killing his last one. They’d be accused of trying to un-gay Shiro. They’d be accused of implicitly saying that it wasn’t acceptable to have a gay character in a children’s cartoon. It would have gone on and on and on, burning any goodwill they accumulated with the Adam reveal and far deeper besides.

Shiro needed to have a canon gay relationship to allay accusations of homophobia. Problem is, S7 dropped when S8 was already mostly done. It wasn’t possible to rewrite the whole season to shove a natural, organic romance in there. Fuck, guys, they couldn’t even figure out what to do with Shiro at all for three whole seasons before that! They weren’t gonna suddenly pull a rabbit out of their collective hats with this. It was never possible.

The only option was shoving Shiro with a minor character and scattering a handful of scenes of them glancing at one another throughout S8. Was it a shitty option? Yes. Was it the least bad of what was on the table in front of them by that point? Also yes, because do you not remember the sheer toxicity of Voltron’s shipwank or what? Shiro never could have had a “realistically developed relationship” at all because he would never have been allowed a relationship with a main character after the ugly, abusive nature of the fandom revealed itself.

So.

A relationship (an undeniable, unambiguous one) had to happen.

It could not happen with a major character.

Marriage (the fastest way to render a relationship completely unambiguous) to a minor character (all members of Team Voltron were aggressively off the table) was the only possible solution.

It sucks that this is how it ended up and that it was so unsatisfying and that they weren’t able to write themselves out of the corner they ended up in, but Voltron’s writing was consistently mediocre. They never had the tools to solve this problem. Fan expectations were never possible to satisfy, and the fact that 20,000+ people are still passing around obvious salty falsehoods for an excuse to further vilify the showrunners six months after the fact should make that obvious.

#vld discourse #voltron discourse

yimmypee

ive never watched an episode of voltron in my life but i jus read an article about how joaquim dos santos and lauren montgomery explicitly lied to press about their involvement in the failure of voltron and that they were singlehandedly responsible for the homophobic writing and ending and went out of their way to ignore the comments of both their hired sensitivity consultants and lgbt employees and im SCREAMING

baby-skitty

From the article

lunawitchh

This is so funny

agoddamn

This article is…kind of bad?

> Despite claiming the show’s staff were “champions of inclusivity and acceptance,” and having multiple resources within the studio to tell an inclusive story, showrunners Joaquim Dos Santos and Lauren Montgomery failed to follow even the most basic best practices for depicting minorities during their tenure at DreamWorks.

What were these best practices?

> At the same time, the studio ignored warnings from LGBT individuals that Voltron’s story

Are “warnings from LGBT individuals” fan opinions?

> Gay fans have spoken on how the ending of Voltron sent a clear hurtful message

Yes.

> The loss of the sole gay male hero in western animation was a devastating blow for queer fans

Misleading personal opinion, he’s not dead.

> as though they were far more interested in getting the credit for a gay wedding

Speculation treated as fact.

> the studio acknowledged they had multiple gay writers on staff for other shows, any of whom could have easily been called in to consult.

Is there any proof that’s a normal, common thing to do? Projects are generally pretty self-contained. Even later in the article itself it says that unrelated writers stepping up is unusual and unreliable.

> The answer, unfortunately, appears to be simple arrogance.

Speculation treated as fact.

> A source familiar with the events confirmed to GeekDad that the two straight showrunners wrote the the ending without involving the people they claimed to represent, or their own diversity consultant, in the process. Ultimately, when Dos Santos and Montgomery set off to depict the first gay male wedding in western animation, they chased their own ephemeral idea of “what’s good for gay people,” instead of actually speaking to gay people.

They offer no direct quotation from this mystery source. The second sentence is, again, speculation treated as fact. If you follow the link to the other article, what’s actually said about the diversity consultant is “a diversity consultant that productions work with from time to time”, which sounds a lot more like someone who isn’t available all the time. Noelle’s interview also does not say that she involves the people she claims to represent; what she gives is a standard response about being thoughtful and respectful.

Incidentally, this–the “hard evidence”, the thing the title of the article is about–is the ninth paragraph in. It is vaguely defined (what is a diversity consultant, what power do they have, what qualifications do they have, and what could they have done? That information isn’t here), poorly contextualized, and lacks any kind of direct quotation.

> Despite their failure to do basic review

Article has failed to establish both what basic review is and that the failure happened.

> still months before the final season would air

It’s weird how people are critical of crunch culture these days but also demanding that an entire TV season be reanimated in two months.

> hurtful epilogue > prevent the gay hero from retiring > injurious to the queer community

This is all personal opinion and salt and anger that the writer’s personal interpretation didn’t make it to the screen. And christ, injurious? Really? Really? That’s the biggest threat to the queer community these days, one character in a shitty Netflix cartoon getting married too fast?

> saw its approval rating tumble into single digits on Rotten Tomatoes

So did The Last Jedi.

This whole article is a slanted opinion piece that offers no evidence to support itself except an anonymous source that it won’t quote in any way, shape, or form, but totally proves that several people on-record with their names attached to public statements are lying. This is only half a step above actual fan fiction.

Hell, even the linking OP text contains the clear lie that “they ignored comments from the consultant” when the article asserts that the diversity consultant was not specifically seeked out. 26,000 notes and none of you noticed that?

Guys.

Why are you giving this any credit whatsoever?

#vld discourse #voltron discourse

so far I've found good takedowns of Sean Z's wishywashyness with twitter users jujujulieta and invalid4041, but a follower has reblogged some post from a user "agoddamn" if you're interested in seeing the dissections of Sean not giving true sources

Thanks for letting Us know! We’ve checked them out & while We don’t agree with all of them, there are a lot of valid points. (Reblogging some in 3....2....1)

#vld discourse #pro-shaladin #voltron discourse #tribute #Anonymous

In more "whodunit" discourse on the epilogue, the latest GeekDad article cites some cryptic anonymous sources for proof WEP was never a meddler but it was DW and the EPs' fault for everything. There seems to be no middle ground for the idea that all parties had their own shite decisions and contributions, to whatever extent from each of them. And it seems those official parties want to point their fingers at each other in a big standoff.

https://geekdad.com/2019/04/voltron-partners-not-responsible-for-failures-in-gay-inclusion-sources-dispute-claim-from-dreamworks-staff/

Oh Sean Z, couldn’t you have at least included actual sources? You did it for the anti article we collabed together on! (Granted, I did provide a lot of sources & archived links, so that might be it......) ._.

Anyway, yeah, it’s everyone’s fault here.

JDS & LM had all these “grand” ideas for their show (for both rep & “cool stuff”) on a massive scale & wanted to go edgy as fuck without thinking how it would impact the series’ tone & future plot/character developments.

Both writers & editors for seasons 1 & 2 didn’t build a strong enough foundation to support all of that.

Writers & editors for seasons 3 onwards continued to weaken their own foundation & lore with unnecessary timeskips, LM & JDS’s contradictory ideas & subplots (or even repeated subplots).

Comic writers failed to even try to explore these stunted/restricted ideas in the books, which have much more leeway (considering that Korrasami was able to be confirmed officially within the actual comics & not just through Word of God afterwards).

Dreamworks’ press team then hyped everything up like crazy, even when things weren’t confirmed yet (like those freaking romance-novel-esque promos of Keith, Shiro & Adam).

And then the Dreamworks higher-ups okayed all of this & put weird restrictions like “no flashbacks” or “toilet humor for Hunk”*.

*(Note that no articles have come out contesting these restrictions - just ones criticizing the Shiro/Adam restriction & the gay wedding epilogue).

I think, that like the fandom, people working on the show were more invested in the vague grand concepts behind the characters rather than actually exploring that.

In a future post, I will ramble on about my own thoughts of VLD’s overall writing & how Allura’s death was inevitable considering the direction of the writing.

#vld discourse #pro-shaladin #voltron discourse #tribute #Anonymous

Yeah, We’re talking about this now.

If you’ve been in the she1thdom for a while now & have followed popular she1th accounts, you’ll have noticed them occasionally posting something.....weird.

Posts vaguely complaining about a certain unnamed person who seems to despise the she1th fandom, use it for profit & doing all sorts of unsavory things behind the scenes in private DMs & discord servers.....

That person is Lee CA (Glossolalia on ao3), writer of those 2 fics that have invaded every she1th fan’s dash at some point in time (”Alien Sex Fiend” & “Picosecond”).

He’s the Cassandra Clare of the VLD fandom if CC had been caught being a creep & not just being a manipulative egotistical plagiarist obsessed with marketing.

Lee CA is about as much of a she1th fan as the infamous anti klanced is -- they ONLY care about it as a tool to boost their own popularity & will spend endless amounts of time bashing she1thers.

#vld discourse #voltron discourse #she1th #shaladin discourse #LPL

Some of the fall-out from Voltron s8 (Klanti edition)

Here’s a tweet (video included) of a Klanti destroying their own Klance art out of protest, probably a mimicry of that time a klanti printed out a copy of Drist’s sheith art & torched it on Instagram (again out of protest, but this time against Sheith shippers & not the writers).

http://archive.is/cU2Vw

https://huntypastellance.tumblr.com/private/182042081545/tumblr_plea5acpBX1w9f7aq

^Video saved here

And here’s some slander from Jewishbow, a klanti who claims to have knowledge from a mysterious Dreamworks intern that showrunners Joaquim & Lauren Montgomery were horribly abusive to work under & deliberately botched season 8 because they were white racists, everyone who worked on the show were white racists, including the Korean animators because “asian men” are basically white racists with a POC facade tacked on.

It’s a freaking 11 minute rant by a white teenage girl with zero sources to back it up.

http://archive.fo/WDXCX

http://archive.fo/Iv7VC

https://huntypastellance.tumblr.com/private/182042345875/tumblr_pleansEMIv1w9f7aq

^Audio saved here (transcript still in progress).

#vld discourse #pro-shaladin #voltron discourse #klantis #vld s9 #LPL

FYI there is no unedited season 8. Will try to get pics to you later today

I am both scared & intrigued.

#tribute #i am still alive!#just horrendously scrambling about because of adult things like taxes #the very thing the US federal government created so that people arent allowed to watch cartoons anymore or ship things #will try to post follow up stuff tomorrow (key words: TRY)#Anonymous

"in a way allura's sacrifice was the greatest honor the writers could bestow upon her character" is actually from the letter, not from the ab podcast

Ah whoops. Thank you for correcting Us, dear disciple. (We’re kinda sleep deprived right now.......so many calls to make.......agh)

#tribute #Anonymous

Where is the "in a way allura's sacrifice was the greatest honor the writers could bestow upon her character" from?

I believe it was from the podcast with Afterbuzz. (Which I don’t recommend you listen to as it’s mostly the hosts CONSTANTLY interrupting the writers over & over again. And being lowkey klantis about it.)

#tribute #Anonymous

hey no offense lol but why r u still doin vld discourse didnt the show end?

It’s one of my many vices. (Also need to finish the hall of anti fame. Leaving it unfinished is haunting me a bit.)

#tribute #Anonymous

It makes me really happy that you acknowledge Allura’s faults like her racism, (as a biracial kid who’s been bullied for it, seeing Allura treat her close ally and “lover” like that over their race, crushed my heart.) but you don’t make it a habit of bashing her, it’s really refreshing.

Mostly because in this case, while she IS a Mary Sue (which tend to be subject to a lot of bashing in critiques), her flaws ARE addressed in the show, but they’re not addressed properly.

Which is the fault of the writers, not of the character.

Like We said, the show’s canon repeatedly states the long ties Alteans had with other races & their diplomatic prowess, but Allura’s repeatedly portrayed as someone with almost no personal ties with her own people & isolated from everyone almost as much as Rapunzel was.

She’s actually very close minded & never really learns from others. Even in the comics, she immediately gives up after one race of aliens refuses to work with the Coalition after they’ve been freed. She never tries to find any compromises, any convincing arguments that aren’t “peace!” or “helping people!”. And then Coran just consoles her with “well Alfor had troubles with other races too” & then the whole thing is resolved without Allura’s help or effort.

There’s also the weirdly racist smug “awww look at the primitive races” attitude both she & Coran (mostly Coran) takes towards the paladins about their humanity. While the “hideous ears” from the pilot can be played off as a joke, it’s really off-putting in context when the canon tells you that she’s a noble well-learned princess of a race of diplomats who have befriended many races. (And she never really apologizes for it - just immediately drags them into a war. REALLY great first impression on a race you’ve never met. Wow, such diplomacy.)

Again, this is the pilot though. Some of the stuff from it got retconned in later episodes & seasons & it’s just supposed to be an episode to get the viewers watching, so it’s kind of a moot point. But it DOES show a recurring pattern later on regarding Allura’s massive bias towards the Alteans & her uncaring attitude towards how others treat her friends/paladins. (Hell, NOBODY reacted at all in s8 over a villain Galra spitefully calling Keith a “halfbreed”.)

Coran’s is much more blatant - he literally can’t stop condescending to Pidge or even Sam Holt regarding their technological prowess. Which is really weird when you consider that this is 10,000 years advanced Galra tech & Sam had united his whole planet into constructing a clone of the Castleship, a ship that Coran bragged about since his grandpa built it & the peak of Altean craftsmanship, despite having zero alien resources outside a few tiny ships & no ability to utilize Altean alchemy (haxx) or Balmeran crystals. And Pidge was even able to upgrade Voltron itself with Altean technology without Coran even ONCE teaching her. She was completely self-taught & yet Coran is still like “ah you primitive races, how quaint~”. And as the flashbacks have shown - Alfor & the former green paladin have apparently never upgraded Voltron before or did anything extra to it.

This!! Is NOT!!! How a diplomatic race that respects all life!!!! Should act!!!!

It’s literally the writers being blind to their own gaping plotholes & not realizing all the wrong implications it’s giving off.

#vld discourse #voltron discourse #vld critical #tribute #Anonymous

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