say what you will about eric idle and all his remakes of python stuff but making Lancelot canonically gay and having him marry Herbert was such a fucking power move. like monty python is mostly enjoyed by middle aged dads and reddit dudes and he just went “hey you know this character that you really like from a movie that you also really like? he’s in love with this twink and is happy now fuck you” and then made millions of dollars off the show. iconic
Do Sniper and Spy actually hate each other that much?
Or is it an exaggeration the fandom has a general consensus on?
I constantly see people going around saying how much sniper and spy despise each other, how they always fight like cats regardless of samefaction or crossfaction.
I actually enjoy them hating each other too. I think hatred can be an extremely compelling factor for their relationship and it can lead to a lot of complex emotions. But canonically, it's not that much of an extreme case.
Disclaimer: I'm a sniperspy shipper so it may seem my wording is painting them in a romantic light at times, BUT you can absolutely see this in a platonic way, or just as individual characters who are coworkers/enemies.
Also sorry in advance, i tried to be objective as much as possible but it can come off as subjective.
First of all, why is their relationship mainly viewed that way? It's rather simple, the whole Sniper vs Spy update shows them as archenemies. Sniper and Spy's rivalry was highlighted through this update, especially with the jarate comic.
There's also the fact these two have different lifestyles and views that clash with each other. Sniper is viewed as filthy and spy is viewed as pompous. The contrast is quite clear.
But they're literally supposed to be enemies here. In an update called Sniper Verses Spy. They'd obviously try to one up on each other. It's a personal rivalry on opposite teams. That's not everything that there is to them.
Now look at them.
The former is from the meet your match update and the latter is from the official tf2 facebook page. And they're just- casual with each other contrary to popular belief. Playfully annoying and not even fighting.
They're really just casual coworkers
Seriously where's the hate? Their cars are even parked next to each other in this.
A lot of the fandom's depictions comes from the tf comics, especially since sniper and spy have a lengthy time interacting with each other for us to have a solid idea of how their relationship is like.
We can see that they have met and came up with a plan to take down c!sniper.
And when spy's shot and his cover is blown we can see sniper immediately panicking and rushing to save spy before he dies. And he does in fact, saves spy's life.
Is bickering classified as hate? When spy shows disdain and acts annoyed throughout the entire comics? Is not liking the sniper class as a whole means he hates his team's sniper as a person?
Don't get me wrong, they clearly have different views on how they kill people. Spy disrespects sniper's profession as an assassin, that's not a surprise. But that doesn't mean they don't like each other at all. Spy mocks quite literally everyone on his team, does that mean he hates them all? Sniper doesn't look like he has a problem with spy talking like that, he talks back casually, either used to it or it's their everyday bickering topic.
They're both exhausted and bleeding. Spy shares one of his cigarettes with sniper. They most likely took the time to have a smoke. We see them bickering the most because (large amount of interaction aside) sniper's the one who bites back at spy's sarcastic remarks. He matches up to his tone.
As my friend said, it's the type of bickering that you could only get from coworkers that have worked together for a good while now and have gotten to know each other well enough that they've actually settled into this weirdly comfortable zone of picking on each other that actually implies them being pretty close.
Spy values his suit, it's stated multiple times in his voicelines he doesn't want it to get dirtied and here he's saying it's not worth to be used to hide sniper's modesty.
This isn't even a personal thing, spy wouldn't give his suit like that even if it was anyone else on his team. No matter which teammate was with him he would ask them to cover up and then deny his suit for it.
I can't provide an image for this as the tumblr app only allows 10 images max, but we know that spy has trusted sniper enough to let him know about spy and scout's relation, and he casually asks sniper if he can fly a plane in comic 7, and they're casually in the background together when they find the administrator.
Do they dislike each other from how they disrespect each other's professions and find each other annoying? Oh sure. Do they hate each other that they have no chance of being friendly or be close to each other? No.
Honestly i'd even say "dislike" is too harsh to be the one word that describes their relationship. They clearly have moments where they hang out/interact without any trouble or hostility.
They're casual with each other. Whether it's annoying each other or bickering, they're perfectly set up to be enemies/rivals but they're also well set up to be friends.
And i think the fact that they can be friends that banter together gets neglected by the fandom pretty often.
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