ISTP

Mostly reblogged MBTI stuff ISTP 8w9 sx/so

[lifethrucrystallizedeyes]

Te: “There’s always a reason”

Ti: “There’s always an explanation”

[kendrixtermina]

Thinking Functions =/= Logic

It is important to differentiate between the abstract thing that is logic / ultimately the only method to truly know something for sure simply by what it’s defined as, and your brain’s task-oriented faculties you use to do logic. Ti is a tool; (Others use Te, I assume the occasional ENFPs with sholarly/theoretical inclinations use mostly Ne etc… and it’s good we’re diferent because we don’t have the same biases and thus some of us see shit others missed. )

The tools/ programs our brain uses are filled with artifacts that are often just byproducts, and what ppl typically mean when they say “science/logic doesn’t explain everything” - Like, their lower thinking function or (and while a higher thinking function will be versatile enough to tackle almost everything it will have biases & artefacts & limits) 

But “Logic” DOES. Simply because of what it is (Logic: ”deducing implications from facts” Science: “Testing if things are actually true or at least reliably predictable.” ), like, the human factor is complex and it was important for me as Ti user to learn the value of heuristics (Thank you, that one INTJ college professor!) Trial & error evidence based methodology isn’t the storm of tropes ppl associate with it & view in a subjective light no matter what side we’re on… not that any of us can fully claim to have disentangled ourselves from that, but, it’s important to try to see the distinctions even if yuo don’t always succeed. 

Similarily, one shuld remember that a) emotions are actually a problem solving system that is evolutionary older, more adapted to very specific uses and faster, while abstract thought is more versatile; But both complex social behavior and abstractions are equally “sophisticated/recent” traits, but, they’re part of human nature ergo they’re part of logical consideration, one of many. And that b) while the Feeling function’s primary tasks involve social stuff, expressions & processing feels (that come from lower, older brain regious not too different from those of other mammals; It’s the interaction of everything that brings our complexity. But hey! Delight in the knowledge that the simple exitement yor canine companion shows probably feels a bit like yours / as far as the raw, momentary sensation goes.)  they’re not the only ones that interact with emotions in some way. Annoyance does count as an emotion. XD

But in the words of Socates, knowing we will be weak allows us to be strong. Logic/science is really a set of methods that allow us to filter & complement our already remarkable but imperfect processing power. 

[lifethrucrystallizedeyes]

Te asks “Why?” - why did something happen? Why is something as it is? There’s got to be a cause and effect. That’s reason, based on objective reality. There could be a million different explanations as to how rainbows are formed, but the facts tell us it’s due to refraction of light through water droplets in the sky. That is why there are rainbows.

Ti asks the “How”. They may as well be more interested in generating the million explanations to how rainbows are formed. When they have reached the most probable answer, instead of accepting the mere facts, Ti wants to know more.. The details. They want to know the entire process, not just why something is, but how it came to be.

The lines can appear blurred. Te thinks via facts and pieces things together with relevant evidence. Ti thinks in connections, and “therefores” (not necessarily with the facts, but with pure logic), producing a pattern of thoughts that appear more like an explanation or a theory. Eg, Jung’s cognitive functions are an explanation for human behaviour, not a reason for it. Biology is reason. It focuses on the direct cause/effects, vs the possibilities that Ti generates in linear logic.

Jung was an INFJ with tertiary Ti.

[funkymbtifiction]

Hi! How can I tell if I'm a Fi-heavy INTJ or Ti-heavy INFJ? I know the differences between Fi/Fe and Ti/Te theoretically, but I have trouble applying that knowledge to myself.

Fi: Processes emotions privately, requires no external validation about their feelings/values from anybody else. Has a very strong sense of their emotional framework. Their values can be quite strong even in the tertiary position, but when they feel deeply emotional they are able to keep it in check lest it come in the way of executing Te goals or Ni visions.

Te comes with reliance on external peer established evidence and criteria for success, the worth of an idea is measured by its applicability, practicality and its worth that can be measured in externally established, objective standards for success. 

Fe: All about connecting to others, offering emotional support, seek validation of their feelings from others because the feeling function is oriented outwardly. Fe is less blunt than Fi because it doesn’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings. Fe will tweak its presentation as per the room, while Fi will stay true to itself. Authenticity is everything for an Fi person.

Ti: Subjective internal logical framework. Ideas need to be mulled over before they are shared with the world, unlike Te which extroverts ideas on the go. 

When presented with an idea, are you content with discussing an idea theoretically for the sake of the discussion itself, or do you dismiss an idea if it lacks applicability? Do you think that an idea is nothing without execution? Do you think ideas possess inherent values, regardless of how we execute them? These will help you decide whether youe thinking function is Ti or Te.

When you have to make an emotional decision, do you talk it over with others to make sure your decision is accepted by and is amenable to others involved? OR, do you prefer to mull it over in your mind, preferring that the ultimate decision you take be in alignment with your core values? 

In the case of an INxJ, if you prefer facts and empirical evidence while not sharing your emotions with others before processing them internally or not seeking emotional validation, then you are an INTJ. If you are a long term thinking visionary who places collective welfare above external objective logical considerations then your aux function is Fe, which would make you an INFJ.

- ENTP Mod. 

[mbtishitposting]

Every MBTI Stereotype

Introverts - quiet and shy as hell - prefers their cats than their friends - “I’m usually standing awkwardly at the corner of a social gathering” squad - #books4life - NERD - rather be homeschooled notable quote: “What is socialising?”

Extroverts - crazy - WHO GOES HOME WHEN YOU HAVE PARTIES - I have ten thousand friends and people love me and I love people - loud af - literally allergic to their homes - “I make friends easily” squad - bubbly and probably on the cheer squad notable quote: “What is a book?”

Intuitives - so many ideas  - my brain is full with deep, complex thoughts - “to be, or not to be” - the unrealistic dreamers - I dream rainbows squad - sees a thousand meanings of a single sentence notable quote: “What do you really mean by ‘What do you mean?’?”

Sensors - oohh MATH and SCIENCE - hates literature because an eye can’t have an apple in it obviously - thinks everyone else (aka intuitives) is being stupid - #staywoke - dreams are for losers - don’t convince me of something that I can’t see - screw socratic seminars squad notable quote: “What is a brainstorm?”

Feelers - EMOTIONS - don’t let me make decisions because I’m bias af - SAD movies - emo squad - friendship is magic! notable quote: “What is a stoic?”

Thinkers - I’m so logical - you’re a puzzle I want to solve - insensitive - bhAd bOhy - rather be a stone squad notable quote: “What is sadness?”

Judgers - reaching meeting area 30 minutes before meeting time - already planned out half of their life in detail - organised files - potential ocd - “to fail to plan is to plan to fail” squad notable quote: “What is late?”

Perceivers - procrastination is my lover - late and messy af - sleep only calls for me in the morning - deadlines should be dead - can’t get shit done squad notable quote: “What? The thing’s due tomorrow?”

[funkymbtifiction]

Last month you wrote about some things Fi does that Fe does not. Can you do the same for Ti against Te? Also when you mean Te speaks their thought process aloud, does it mean they do this when are on their own or when they are with people, or both? Can’t Ti users communicate their thought process aloud too?

Think of it like a book.

Te sees the overall book. It assumes it’s for reading. Te focuses on what the book does, and whether or not it is serving its function. It looks to the uses of the book – in essence, are their words on the pages? Do they turn or stick together? As long as the book is working, Te is satisfied. It may even figure out a better way to use the book.

Ti looks at the book, and sees what it’s made of. Its components. It’s made of a spine, paper, words. What’s the paper made of? What makes up a book? Ti sees how things fit together, how they work together, how they create the end result. It wants the end result to be consistent and useful. And, it’s happy to know how the book came together. It can be slow and exacting and precise, in building its understanding of the components – and then once it knows, it can find ‘cheats’ inside the framework to get around problems.

Both Te and Ti can do one or the other, from time to time – but one is the instinctual pull and the other one is often sidelined in favor of the first thing. A Te can care what makes up a system, rather than just using it; a Ti can care about using a system, and not just knowing what makes it up.

Te will ask, “Does this work for everyone? can they follow the steps and duplicate the results?” and Ti will ask, “Does this make internal sense to me (Ti), and do people approve of it (Fe)?” That’s where conflict arises between them – a Te may just want to get it done and doesn’t care about what “makes up” the system; a Ti may want to fully process, understand, and grasp it, knowing that once they do that, later they can “ace” their way through it. In that way, Te is faster in terms of deciding what to do with it – but Ti is more precise.

Anyone can muse aloud, but it’s often helpful for Te users to ‘organize their thoughts outside themselves’ – for a Te user trying to decide something, to speak aloud to clear their thoughts (I suspect Ne also has something to do with it). Some ENFPs have said their thoughts don’t exist until they speak them, that they’re just abstract until Te gives them words – that they can “see” their thoughts forming in front of them, in a way. I don’t know if it’s the same for the other types – my INTJ friend she doesn’t need to speak aloud to organize her thoughts, so it might just be the Ne/Te loop.

- ENFP Mod

[funkymbtifiction]

Sorry if this has been done before, but I was wondering if Ti could correlate more to theory and Te could correlate more to strategy? How about inferior Te? Thanks!

Yeah, basically.

Ti wants to take something apart and understand how it works, so that later it can skip those steps in assuming you can approach similar things with the same basic principles. Like learning the components of a rocket ship. Once you know the inner framework, you can figure out what is wrong when it malfunctions through a system of instant internal processing. You can also expect a smaller rocket ship to have the same basic framework as a space ship, so theoretically, you can repair a little backyard rocket ship similarly to a space ship. Where Ti’s run into trouble is when they find someone or something that does not fit their internal framework / expectation of reality. This forces them to re-assess.

Te cares less about how the rocket ship works, than IF it works (or is a piece of junk) and what its purpose is. A Te may learn how it works, but the primary focus is on whether or not it is doing its job. Te users have less “depth” in this area than Ti users, but are also more easily able to accept something that does not “fit” and move past it, since there is no internal “?!” that happens when they find something that does not “fit” the situation. Te is more dismissive of theorizing when focused on an end result. It sees whether or not the thing / person is doing what it should be doing and goes from there.

Ti and Te want the same things in all four positions in the stack, but where they lie in the stack indicates how much “influence” they have over the person, and whether or not they function effectively. Inferior Te is more about “that is not factual, that is stupid and makes no sense” whereas high Te is about organizing a project and delegating to accomplish it. The trap IXFP runs into is they really do not want any facts that contradict their Fi-dom desire / hope for something. The facts are unpleasant and tend to shoot down their dreams. Whereas for the Te-dom, the facts come first. The reality of the facts come first.

It’s the same with high Ti vs low Ti. To a high Ti, the facts / logic come first. To a low Ti, they do not necessarily want the facts or logic that prove their Fe-driven beliefs wrong, so they selectively ignore the logic they don’t like. It’s a tug of war between functions in which the top one always wins.

- ENFP Mod

[belatedintp]

I UNDERSTAND FE.

I am going to churn this out before I go to bed, and before I forget.

That moment has FINALLY ARRIVED. I’ve been digging at this hardcore for the past couple of years, trying to obtain that elusive Fe, which if you understand the system, INTP has it in the blind spot, the inferior function.

And I’m sorry, INTPs. I know just how much you want to understand Fe, to obtain it, to… feel it. Fe is the ultimate goal for INTPs. We understand the definition. We understand its function in society. We kind of hate it. We kind of begrudgingly accept it as a necessary evil. We also really kind of REALLY want it.

And you can’t get it on your own. I’M SO SORRY. You have to talk to people. A LOT of people.

BUT, the good news is, we are seeing Fe as a bigger monster than it is, INTPs and ISTPs.

Fe is the desire to communicate with another person.

Fe says, I am drawn to you, so I want to talk to you.

Fe does not need meaning. Fe only wants the simple pleasure of connecting.

THAT IS IT.

Why can’t FJs say this? Well, I learned today, just what having Ti in lower stacks really means… they really suck at it.

Ti… really is the opposite of Fe. 

Ti says, if there’s nothing important to be said, then there is nothing to be said.

Ti says, we can’t be drawn to each other unless we have something of interest, something that matters.

Ti focuses on what it means. Connection without meaning is meaningless, therefore useless.

For INTPs and ISTPs, Fe cannot ever occur without Ti. Ti must be present in order for Fe to exist. ENTPs and ESTPs are a little better with this, but still, they are also TPs for a reason; ENTPs and ESTPs will still prefer Ti over Fe. TPs are going to be naturally competent at a lot of things (Ti) because TPs need to be in order to connect with people (Fe).

For ENFJs and ESFJs, Ti cannot ever occur without Fe. Fe must be present in order for Ti to exist. I thought INFJs and ISFJs were better at this, but I now understand why Personality Hacker labelled tertiary as 10, and inferior as 3; not much better. FJs are naturally going to be really good at connecting (Fe) with a lot of people because…

wait for it…

FJs need to connect with another person (or people) before they can discuss what they are competent in (Ti).

I could be the only dumbass who didn’t understand this, but I sincerely doubt it. We INTPs are pretty blind until we really understand, and Fe is not easy for us to “get.” To be honest, FJs do not make this easier on us, but I can’t even blame them anymore. But FJs, you could give it a little more energy.

In trying to understand, let’s think of this as… like toll gates. I’ll set up the scenario.

First toll gate will cost $10 (Because Maryland, you thieving JERKS! And I’m being nice).

Second toll gate will cost $4 (Because Delaware is a little more reasonable).

Third toll gate will cost $1 (Eh.)

Fourth toll gate will cost $.50.

We’ll be carrying exactly $15.50.

A person will spend $10.50 at the first toll gate. Then $4 at the second, and $1 at the third. By the time the fourth gate has arrived, they don’t know where the $.50 has gone. they’ll search and search, but for some reason, they can’t find it. The money they should have saved up for the last toll gate, they paid it at the first toll gate.

The cheapest toll gate, is the most expensive, because we cannot pay.

For ENFJs and ESFJs, first, there must be connection (Fe). Then there must be some mutual observations (Ni-Se or Ne-Si), and then maybe after ALL THAT, there will be meaning (Ti). So for FJs, if the connection works, GREAT. If not, oh well. This works for a while, until they realize their Fe lives are a bit unfulfilling and they don’t know what they really think. They feel they know what the truth is, but everyone seems to have a truth, so who knows which is real? And since most of the time, they never get to Ti, how can they ever clarify it? They sit in frustration and silence, wanting Ti and hating it at the same time for being so elusive.

For INFJs and ISFJs, Ti is tertiary, so they’re going to talk about meaning a little more easily; they’ll try to get to the point quicker, but still, Fe overrides Ti, so what they want to say is still mixed in with a lot of just attempts to connect with the other person. Ti is just as frustrating for IFJs as it is for EFJs, only MORESO for EFJs.

For INTPs and ISTPs, first, there must be the truth; what this all means (Ti). Then there must be some mutual observations (Ne-Si or Se-Ni), and then maybe after ALL THAT, there will be connection (Fe). So for TPs, if the truth is in fact the truth, FANTASTIC; it applies to everyone. If not, there’s more to go back to. Yay, TP can keep working on it. This works for a while, until they realize they’ve not talked to anyone for a week. They know so much about a lot of things, but they can’t seem to make an emotional connection with anyone! So how are they going to ever get laid? They sit feeling isolated and disconnected, wanting Fe and hating it at the same time for being so confusing.

For ENTPs and ESTPs, Fe is tertiary, so they’re going to do this a little more easily. They’ll connect with people faster, but Ti overrides Fe like Fe overrides Ti in IFJs. so truth must still win over the connection, and they will sacrifice the connection over their truths. They’re not itching for Fe like INTPs and ISTPs, but they know they’re not that great at it, while feeling relatively okay with where they are at.

Ladies and gentlemen, no one can find their $.50.

Let’s go find it.

When an FJ and TP communicate, TPs are communicating with the FJs with the ASSUMPTION that the FJs are there to discuss what it all means. And FJs are indeed, so pleasant and accommodating, and seemingly easy to please. You just have to say something, and they’re telling you how amazing you are. But TPs… we’re accurate folks. It only takes a few tries before we figure out that FJs don’t seem to really mean it. THIS HURTS. TPs know how much work they put into what they learned. TPs always mean what they say (to some extent, although we try to hide it in humor and sarcasm to protect our own vulnerability and respect their vulnerability), so it feels like the FJs don’t really trust us. TPs decide that the praises the FJs give us isn’t worth its weight. Plus they’re so inaccurate about everything; that really triggers TPs. Not only are they giving out empty praises, they don’t even know what they’re talking about! TPs decide that they must now protect themselves from the upcoming negative feelings which will NEARLY KILL US, as it does every time (and we don’t like to admit this), and begin to put up walls to protect ourselves. They will also begin to discount FJs’ contributions because the TP has determined, FJ’s actions have no meaning behind them.

FJs are communicating with the TPs with the ASSUMPTION that the TPs are there because there is some mutual attraction (not always sexual, but any kind of connection, really). They have to connect before they can talk about how they really think. So in giving out pleasantries, they are attempting desperately to connect with the TP. TPs are so brilliant, always knowing exactly what they think, saying exactly what they think, and doesn’t ever seem to say anything that is wrong. But FJs aren’t really sure that there is a connection. FJs are putting in a lot of effort into making the connection because they desperately want to tell the TP their own truths and want to know if what they are thinking is correct. FJ is sure that TP will know what the truth is, but they have to have a connection before they can say it. FJs decide they must give out more compliments, more empty words (FJs have told me that they only say what they feel, so apologies on that), and connect, while feeling more unsure of what is going on, their mind clouding as they see TPs behave differently towards them. Their feeling alarms are going off, and they don’t know what to say to bring back the TP. They feel resentful that the TPs aren’t opening up to them. so they can tell the TP what they think. Everything FJ says seems to push the TP even further away.

This is what is happening. This is the FJ-TP dynamic.

In words, we know what all this means. In reality though, we don’t know how it really applies. 

FJs’ need for Ti is not much at all, despite their desire for it. Their reputation as being teachers and preachers are kind of misleading because it just means they are struggling to figure out what the most relevant information is, and so, are saying everything they know in hopes that something hits. So yes, their words are jumbled, filled with inconsistencies, contradictions, and are basically a mess. I’m not gonna lie. It is TP nightmare. It has the effect of reaching out to many people, but it is also dangerous; FJ communication is unclear, and because FJs do expect others to kind of “get it” without clarifying it, there is a lot of room for misunderstandings and hatred can result from it. FJs’ confidence in Ti gets destroyed, and FJs decide that all they should do is connect more.

TPs’ need for Fe is also not much at all, despite their desire for it. Their reputation as being cold robots is also misleading because it just means they are struggling to figure out what to express to connect with someone, and so, are mimicking everyone in hopes that there is a connection. So yes, our expressions are robotic, doesn’t always suit the occasion, and are subdued. It is FJ nightmare. It also makes TPs less likely to be trusted; TP expressions are robotic, and because TPs expect others to see they mean well without connecting, there is a lot of room for people to feel confused and to distrust the TPs, who only speak up when they want to help and provide the correct information to help others. TP’s confidence in Fe gets destroyed, and TPs decide it’s not worth it to speak up or even contribute at all.

When I realized just how desperate FJs felt about their Ti, I truly felt sorry for them. Ti is a piece of cake for me, and I use it really well. I don’t have to think about it, I don’t really waste any energy with it. I know exactly what I mean when I say it. I can somewhat get most theories given a few days, and I could talk about it with other people and be competent in it. In fact, I am always trying to stop myself from saying the first thing that comes to my mind in hopes to prevent Fe riot that results.

Even a simple statement like, “This is X, not Y.” can be difficult for FJs IF there has been no connection made with the person. I don’t need to have a relationship with a person to tell them, “Hey, this happened, this needs to be addressed, this is the problem, and this needs to be fixed.” 

BUT FJs DO. Even if TPs and FJs have learned the same information and know the same information, they must have established some emotional connection with the person before they feel they can say why they’ve created that connection.

And this, my lovely readers, is the beginning of the great Fe-Ti divide. This is where all of the heartaches and misunderstandings happen.

AND I FINALLY GET IT. 

I hope you do too, because FJs can’t tell you this right off the bat. Why? They haven’t connected with you yet. LOL.

[forget-the-world-issues]

"The lord of the functions" ~

Dominant Function: The main character Auxiliary Function: The best friend and advisor of the main character Tertiary Function: Main character’s home Inferior Function: The main character’s inner enemy

[intruitive]

Te vs Ti irl

I always am hard-pressed with Te and Ti to highlight concrete examples that show their differences, because so often descriptions get vague/generic, using phrases like “theory” and “logic” which is hard to ground. But, in a conversation I had with a Ti-dom (myself being auxiliary Te), several things came up which really highlighted the two functions. 

This was a conversation about growing extinct animals in other animals’ wombs. I, a high Te-user, immediately discarded some possibilities because it wasn’t plausible, such as growing a mammoth inside an entirely unrelated species like a panda. To a Te-user, these ideas were interesting to hypothesize about but not very relevant to the conversation at hand. 

On the other hand, my Ti-dom friend was quite willing to go down that rabbit hole. Ti-users care more about exploring every possible angle of a problem, regardless of feasibility.

Throughout that conversation, a Te-user would focus more on what could be done, what technology needed to be improved upon or invented, etc., to resurrect extinct animals.

Meanwhile, the Ti-user cared about making sure every possibility was thoroughly covered, even though they knew full well that some ideas weren’t likely to happen. Ergo, mammoths in pandas.  

Tl;dr A conversation about resurrecting extinct animals shows that Te cares about what will bring about the desired outcome, with less time for side hypothesizing. Ti cares more that every possibility is considered, with less focus on achieving the goal. 

[funkymbtifiction]

Jumping on the bandwagon, can I request a Te and Ti in every stack please? These are so helpful.

Ti-dom: strong ability to work according to experimental logic, a drive toward pure logic, change logical variables mid-project (if Ti senses their approach is not working) and understand complex internal systems (scientific, computer, etc) from the inside out, making decisions based on probability, focusing on the dialogue between a situation’s structural potential and its material realization, focusing on and sticking to what they are good at.

Ti-aux: strong ability to work according to experimental logic, change logical variables mid-project, and understand complex internal systems from the inside out, making decisions based on probability, focusing on a situation’s structural potential and its material realization, but preferring to leap into new projects and exploration, and often turning Ti to exploit a situation’s potential and compete against others for rewards or attention (assuming they can ‘hack’ people and situations).

Ti-tert: a desire to form an internal system of understanding for things, people, and situations of personal interest to them, often in service of their dominant function. May carefully reason through situations and attempt for logical consistency, wanting to make decisions based on potential outcomes.

Ti-inferior: feeling a strong need to understand things and be understood by others, but often failing to strip down their reasoning into pure logic and consider it in a vacuum for consistency, seeing impersonal systems and judgments without emotional context as “cold” and “unfeeling” or even “barbaric.” Can use experimental logic (testing logic) to adapt as they go.

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Te-dom: demands hard evidence before dealing with a situation, believing something is not real if it cannot be measured. Focused on determining the sequence of events, direct, linear thinking, ease of recognizing stable, recurring impressions. Notices what qualities objects have in common and establishes them as a standard of sequential order. A belief that certain principles of order are “always true” even when applied to a new situation. Emphasis on planning, organization, precise and effective management, and completion of projects.

Te-aux: demands hard evidence before dealing with a situation, focused on determining the logical sequence of events (cause and effect), linear thinking, focuses on what qualities objects have in common and a tendency to apply them to each new situation, emphasis on their desire to complete whatever project their dominant function has taken a personal interest in, effective management, but less concerned with “all or none” workaholic behaviors. Prefers to focus on their own projects.

Te-tert: presents factual logic and measures things according to what facts presents themselves, can have cause and effect thinking, operates off logical assumptions, a tendency to hop between projects but a desire to finish one (at the whims of their changeable dominant function), can sometimes back up ethical judgments with logical “proof” by supplementing their opinion with facts.

Te-inferior: finds impersonal reasoning and rigid logic to be cold, heartless, and distasteful. A constant sense that they should be more organized, finish one thing before they start another, and see projects through rather than letting them fall by the wayside. Can point out other’s contradictions or logical fallacies while being unaware of their own. Under pressure, becomes blunt and “states the facts” of the situation.

[ill-be-istj-if-no-one-else-is]

Te and Ti and efficiency

Another Te vs. Ti thing I run into a lot at work is something I alluded to once a while back, in which the Te idea of efficiency is “let’s take the bag, it’s fine if we carry some extra stuff as long as we have everything and it’s faster to do so” whereas the Ti idea is “let’s make sure we have exactly what we need so that we’re not carrying extra weight.” It happens a lot. We need to, for example, perform certain tests at certain frequencies, and the Te idea is “if you do this test more frequently, it’s fine - I’d rather do something and not need it than not do something and need it.” The Ti idea is “I’m not going to do something that’s not required, even if I might have to go back later should that change.”

Essentially, the Te idea of efficiency is very much about getting things done quickly with what you have, and having what you need when you need it. Te is perfectly willing to burn effort (brute force solutions, etc) - the efficiency is in the form of getting it done quickly and feasibly.

The Ti idea of efficiency is a conservation of effort, but as a result the Ti user is often willing to put in a whole lot of effort to avoid the effort. Sometimes this is good! If you have a repeated task, it makes sense to put in the up-front effort to streamline and automate it (and while Te users would agree with this with the caveat that you also need a short-term solution while the automation is being built, Ti users especially excel at doing this kind of thing). But sometimes it means someone spends 45 minutes arguing about a task that would have taken them 5 minutes.

[funkymbtifiction]

Ok so in that last ask about Fe vs Fi: I found those descriptions really neat, but they only apply to feelers. Could you do the same for thinker types? I know it's been discussed to death, but your abridged descriptions are very helpful.

Te/Fi(TJ):I find it easy to organize the external world and see the cause-and-effect ofmy actions or other people’s choices. I can create a workable format that helpsme accomplish my goals and generates a profit. Facts and bottom lines matter tome. I don’t have much tolerance for laziness or inefficiency, and I’m moreconcerned with completion than total understanding – but I also want to knowenough to do the job well. I often take the route of Occam’s razor – the easiestthing to prove with tangible facts must be the right answer. If you can tangiblyprove me wrong with facts, I’ll change my mind. I’m not attached to my logic –it’s just there, plain as day, for anyone to see. I often have deep emotionsbut do not think they are anyone else’s business.

Ti/Fe(TP):I find it easy to break things apart on an abstract level, and figure out how they work from theinside out. I can spend more time doing this on accomplishing things, because Iknow if I put in the effort to understand something from a fundamental level, Ican make it do anything I want it to do – I can hack it, change it, improve it,know it so completely it will take me no time at all to work with it. It takesme a long time to form this understanding of the object or of reality (an inner“framework” and expectation of how the fundamentals of logic work) but then Ihave an access point from which to compare all future information. I find itvery hard to change this framework, and can become stubborn about myconclusions, since if something does not fit, I might have to re-invent myentire internal system to accept it. I tend to be extremely detached and analytical, oftenoblivious to social norms, and find it difficult to understand emotions – so Ibreak them apart and attempt to understand them from the inside out, ratherthan directly dealing with them, which means I don’t always handle my own orother people’s emotions well. I need someone else to talk me through them so Ican stop rationalizing and accept them as part of myself, not a broken piece of my objectivity.

- ENFP Mod

[mbtistufff]

Cognitive Functions in One Word

Se- realism

Ne- possibilities

Si- past

Ni- future

Te- efficiency

Ti- accuracy

Fe- harmony

Fi- value

[intp-fluffy-robot]

Fi: I don’t want to be a bad person

Fe: I don’t want to be alone

Ti: I don’t want to not make sense

Te: I don’t want to be a failure

Si: I don’t want to forget who I am

Se: I don’t want to lose touch with reality

Ni: I don’t want to be lost

Ne: I don’t want to be hopeless

[enfp-pptx]

functions.

Hey everyone,

If you had to describe the functions, how would you describe them?

This is my basic concept of the functions:

Ne - seeks new ideas and inspiration

Se - seeks new experiences and change

Si  - seeks stability and past experiences

Ni  - seeks abstract meaning

Te - seeks effectiveness and goal completion

Fe - seeks social norms, unity and harmony

Ti  - seeks precision and inner logic

Fi  - seeks inner harmony 

Are there things that need to be added or removed? 

Anyways, have a nice day,

~x Z.

[typhoulogy]

Underdeveloped vs developed inferior functions

By developing our inferior functions, we can free ourselves from black and white thinking and genuinely grow and develop as individuals. (But I’ve heard not everyone likes that.:))

This post succinctly points out underdeveloped versus developed inferior functions. 

‘Underdeveloped (cognitive function)’ sections focus on defensive use of dominant function against inferior function. 

‘Integration of (cognitive function)’ sections focus on how dominant function looks like when it no longer resists but listens to the advice given by the inferior function.

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Inferior Ne (ISTJ, ISFJ):

Underdeveloped Ne, overextended use of Si: 

Aversion to novelty: I have difficulty improving my life because I do not pay enough mind to envisioning how I can do things differently and acting upon good ideas for progress.

Driving insecurity: I am insecure and fuss over rules/details because I fear overlooking anything that might unexpectedly destabilize me or expose my insecurities.

Destructive Si expression: I believe I am defined by the worst of my past mistakes/experiences and resign myself to being that.

Integration of Ne:

Openness to new developments: my hard-won expertise can handle most situations and I welcome new challenges as a chance to add to my knowledge base.

Inferior Si (ENTP, ENFP):

Underdeveloped Si, overextended use of Ne:

Aversion to convention: I have difficulty learning well because I do not pay enough mind to observing important details, rules, procedures, conventions, or good advice.

Driving insecurity: I am insecure and erratic because fear of boredom/smallness drives me to make careless, unhealthy, and/or impractical decisions.

Destructive Ne expression: I use my imagination to weasel out of work and responsibility, thus sabotaging my own growth and happiness.

Integration of Si:

Openness to careful developments and acceptance of sensible reality constraints: Though I think big, I can still carry out my good ideas and achieve satisfying progress because I think of creative ways to work within and around my constraints. 

Inferior Se (INTJ, INFJ):

Underdeveloped Se, overextended use of Ni:

Aversion to the ever-changing: I have difficulty seeing value in, appreciating and adapting to the constant flux of life because merely reacting to daily corporeal demands amounts to an unsatisfying and meaningless existence.

Driving insecurity: I am insecure and evasive because I fear not living up to imagined ideals and being confronted with my own confusion, nothingness, or imperfections.

Destructive Ni expression: I superimpose my beliefs/ideas onto the world because I do not require any evidence to know that my gut feelings are fundamental truths.

Integration of Se:

Openness to interesting opportunities and firsthand experiences: I always make the most of what comes my way because I appreciate that time is limited and good opportunities are rare and should not be wasted.

Inferior Ni (ESTP, ESFP):

Underdeveloped Ni, overextended use of Se:

Aversion to careful thought: I have difficulty making wise decisions because I do not pay enough mind to clarifying my thoughts and caring for a positive vision of my future self.

Driving insecurity: I am insecure and hasty because fear of missing out or fear of being blindsided drives me to make rash and/or reckless decisions. 

Destructive Se expression: I do whatever feels good in the moment, consequences be damned.

Integration of Ni:

Openness to exploring implications and abstract meaning of events: I live my best life because I prioritize well, set meaningful long term goals, and possess the necessary focus for gradually working towards my aspirations.

Inferior Te (ISFP, INFP):

Underdeveloped Te, overextended use of Fi:

Aversion to perceived loss of integrity and individuality: I have difficulty getting my life organized because I do not pay enough mind to structuring my thoughts, setting good goals, and planning out my activities.

Driving insecurity: I am insecure and unstable because I fear losing myself if I do not do whatever my feelings urge me to do.

Destructive Fi expression: I am imprisoned by negative feelings and my misguided value judgments/belief system.

Integration of Te:

Openness to remedy the distortions of subjective feeling judgments in order to be effective in reducing suffering: my moral instincts are very reliable in helping me channel my individuality, feelings, values, or passions into fruitful and beneficial activities.

Inferior Ti (ESFJ, ENFJ):

Underdeveloped Ti, overextended use of Fe:

Aversion to careful independent impersonal analysis: I have difficulty forming accurate judgments on my own because I do not pay enough mind to impartially assessing the facts and logically analyzing cause-effect.

Driving insecurity: I am insecure and oversensitive because I cannot draw appropriate emotional boundaries and only understand others by how they make me feel or whether they validate me.

Destructive Fe expression: I exploit people’s feelings and vulnerabilities for my own self-centered benefit and/or express myself with little regard for the social impact.

Integration of Ti:

Openness to impersonal problem solving: I treat people objectively (separate from myself despite my own emotional investment) and know how to make a positive contribution to every relationship. 

Inferior Fe (ISTP, INTP):

Underdeveloped Fe, overextended use of Ti:

Aversion to possible constraints on independence: I have difficulty connecting emotionally with others because I do not pay enough mind to their needs/feelings until blindsided by a problem or accused of insensitivity.

Driving insecurity: I am hypercritical because insecurity about being wrong/criticized drives me to prove that I am (more) intelligent, rational, or knowledgeable.

Destructive Ti expression: I use my knowledge and skills in an unethical/harmful manner because I am only responsible to myself.

Integration of Fe:

Openness to feedback, alternative point of views and collaboration: I have clarity of judgment and possess the skills to construct accurate and precise mental models for guiding me in solving problems flexibly and strategically, all while showing  genuine compassion and fostering a sense of equality among people.

Inferior Fi (ESTJ, ENTJ):

Underdeveloped Fi, overextended use of Te:

Aversion to vulnerability: I have difficulty acting in ways that promote emotional well-being because I do not pay enough mind to my feelings and values when decision making.

Driving insecurity: I am insecure and controlling because I fear ambiguity, powerlessness, and/or the impotence of not measuring up to externally defined standards of success.

Destructive Te expression: I abuse my power/position to get what I want and/or believe that the weak get what they deserve.

Integration of Fi:

Openness to adopting a more sensitive approach to problem-solving; acceptance of personal flaws and shortcomings: I am a competent leader and a good role model because I know the right approach and attitude to achievement, accomplishment, and success.

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(Most of the content is taken from mbti-notes.)