i guess what bothers me about the sylvanas ‘stans’ or w/e is that like… look, i get that this new development is painful. i know you dont want it to be this way. i know you feel betrayed. but that’s… that’s not “bad writing". that’s good writing. the writers have intended sylvanas to betray us from the very beginning. you are SUPPOSED to feel betrayed.
i said the same thing back when sylvanas burned the tree, too. it’s good that you were angry and upset. that’s the point. what she did was horrible and left everybody confused. blizzard can only tell so much of the story at once, but had said the cinematic would show that sylvanas was morally gray. we thought they meant warbringers, but clearly they mean reckoning. she isn’t morally gray as in ‘neutral’; she’s morally gray as in we don’t know what her morals are. but now they are clear. she has always been self-serving, but now she is no longer serving the horde OR the forsaken.
that’s the whole point of flag girl/banner bae/tink-tink in the cinematic. when sylvanas says, “the horde is nothing,” her voice echoes. you know everyone there heard her. (i also cried.) but they dont show the shocked and enraged faces of saurfang and thrall (iconic horde characters), or even anduin. they show her stalwart flagbearer’s look of disbelief. a forsaken everyman. one of her own. someone who serves her, someone who she swore she would protect. her people, the forsaken. she betrayed her people.
from the moment you make a forsaken, you know that “subterfuge and deceit” are the modus operandi for your branch of the horde. you know that sylvanas has her own “dark plans”, and that she has enlisted these free-willed forsaken like yourself to be part of it.
Erik Le Blanc Pleym (10 months ago)
“This is how we were introduced to the Undead and people still believe Sylvanas is acting out of character.”
when putress and the wrathgate happened, sylvanas claimed it was mutiny, and that pacified us. when she was raising more forsaken, we thought, “This is to protect our homeland, to make sure it is ours. At least she is giving the new ones a choice.” When she sought to enslave Eyir, we thought, “This is for our benefit. She is just trying to help us.” But when she killed her own people on the steps of Lordaeron and blighted our home, that was when we knew we were refugees again. Some did have faith and stayed loyal, and they too were discarded and further betrayed. these npcs are her stans in-universe!!! it is in character and canon that they were betrayed!
the subterfuge and deceit turned on its own. we are no longer part of her plan. many forsaken predicted this (both player characters and NPCs as far back as vanilla), but no matter what they thought the reality is that there is now nowhere for us to go. we can only hope that the horde will still accept us.
if you are looking into reasons why sylvanas “changed”, you are looking at it not from the eyes of her people, but from her own selfish actions. you were tricked, too, into thinking that any of her actions were for the benefit of the forsaken.
“but she cares about her sisters!” great! but they aren’t forsaken.
“but she raised nathanos and seems to care about or be in love with him!” great! but he was one of the rangers she knew from life. he’s not an everyday forsaken/lordaeron citizen.
“but she said a nice thing to an orc orphan!” scraping the bottom of the barrel, are we? still not forsaken.
sylvanas does not care at all for the forsaken people. she used us, be it as arrows or a bulwark. for people who think that this is some kind of sudden character shift for sylvanas, all i can really say is that you’re either new to the game or you just haven’t been paying attention. forsaken have known for a long time that this was coming.
