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some woke leftist: omg, i can’t believe that people actually deny climate science.

un: we gotta go vegan, or else.

some woke leftist: um, no?

this sounds like something that would resonate with ppl who either don’t belong to a culture that has spiritual and sacred ties to meat and meat consumption, ppl who aren’t aware of that fact, or ppl who don’t care

this sounds like something that would resonate with people who either think that their culture isn't subject to moral scrutiny, or think their cultural practices should damage the earth at everyone else's expense without criticism, or both

hell, my culture has spiritual ties and traditions involving meat, and i resent it. you do not get a pass, you will be judged, cry about it

Eating fish rn tapping my mouth with a paper towel . Mmm mmm mmm delicious

Tbh I don't think vegans have a very good grasp on reality.

There are a lot of animals that eat other animals. Humans are one such animal among many. Clearly if we have evolved to be able to eat other animals, there is a way for us to do so sustainably.

Sustainable, local meat industry is definitely something we can all agree on, and find ways to support. This would be helpful to both environmental causes and general human health & wellness.

People are not, en mass, ever going to quit eating both meat and animal byproducts, and it is in no way necessary for us to do so.

We need laws that promote sustainability and moderation, not crackpot demands from extremists.

I feel like vegan activists end up being their own worst enemy, bc it's so often their own behavior that illuminates why the vegan diet is ultimately unhealthy; y'all are rabid. And I mean that as an insult. You are, as a group, incapable of sense and reason and chill, bc you lack basic nutrients and y'all are in the process of rabbit starvation.

Capitalism is the cause of climate change; industrialization is the root evil. Humans have been eating other animals since the beginning of humanity; eating animals is not the issue.

Even if you could get everyone to stop eating animals and animal products, it 100% would not stop climate change. Corporations are dumping radioactive waste into the ocean, my demented friends; the issue is not bacon.

we're rabid? did you look at your own reply? lmao

if it's not necessary for us to make the switch, you seem pretty insecure about that taking the time to justify yourself to strangers on the internet.

there is no sustainable meat market. the demand is too much. which is also why we can't just drop farming and start hunting. you make the point that industrialization is the root evil, while ignoring the fact that it's the only way to keep up with the insane demand for meat.

if you really think you're gonna convince people to legislate in the name of moderation, you are kidding yourself. denmark tried this, restricted state canteens from serving meat for two days a week. the backlash was so bad, they had to veto the whole thing.

"as a former vegan," maybe you shouldn't embarrass yourself by making totally unfounded suggestions that have been shot down by vegans and carnies alike. "as a former vegan," maybe you shouldn't feel the need to justify yourself to us; but i know it's not for us, it's for you. and i would hope it made you feel better, but i think you should check your blood pressure, because your reply was wildin'

Yea, I feel like my reply is a pretty measured response to your post. I can admit it wasn't very nice to call y'all rabid, but I think it's true and that you yourself demonstrate that truth in your replies.

Of course there is a sustainable meat market; I get my meat from a local, sustainable, zero-waste, independent farm that raises and slaughters their own meat. I know the farmers and have been walked through their process from start to finish. I have family members and friends who hunt and fish sustainably. I don't think you know the first thing about traditional means of raising/ hunting animals for meat.

I said we need better laws promoting and maintaining moderation and sustainability; that's what will actually help lower demand to a healthy level. The demand for meat has been hiked through capitalism and industrialisation; certainly we can lower demand through long haul education, collective action, and cultural shifting. Denmark's failure doesn't mean they can't try again, and it certainly doesn't mean no one else can. It's hilarious to me that you seem incapable of imagining societies being able to lower the demand for meat, but you think getting everyone to completely stop eating meat and animal products is doable. Like? Hello?

I mention that I'm a former vegan to note that I understand and still connect with some of the reasons people choose to be vegan. And I mention that I'm a former vegan to communicate that I found the lifestyle ultimately lacking in moral reasoning and nutritional stability, which is why I am no longer a vegan. That makes y'all especially rabid, bc you hate to confront any kind of based critique.

I'm happy to engage in the discourse, bc I'm secure in my research and satisfied with my choices.

You're rabid and ridiculous cos your brain functionality is decreased due to a lack of choline, as well as vitamins A, B2, B3, B6, B12, D, K2, iodine, iron, zinc, DHA, and EPA, and I encourage you to see a doctor about that. And maybe stop trying to intellectually debate people until you get it sorted.

my nutritional levels are fine, but thanks for your concern. i'm glad you found the one sustainable farm that exists, but unfortunately that is not a common theme, and it never will be. capitalism hiked the demand for meat, sure, but who's dismantling capitalism? no one. least of all you. the demand for meat will never be lowered because people like you only have excuses fantasies about sustainable farms that no one shops at. you all want to have 25 billion chicken wings on superbowl sunday and engage in the discourse because it makes you feel better about yourself. you're not confident in your research, because I'M confident in MY research and if you had ever done any, you would reach the same conclusions as any other vegan, but you didn't because you never wanted to stop doing it in the first place.

Alright.

I'm also glad that I found a sustainable source of meat, but, again, these types of farms are gaining in popularity and the one I go to is not the only one in my town, and far from the only one in my state, let alone my country (USA). There are also lots of people who hunt and fish sustainably, and that consciousness is gaining traction as well.

Here's some good news for you; lots of people hate capitalism and our numbers are growing. This is due to the fact that capitalism does not, at base, serve the populace; therefore it is doomed. It might take a while yet, but it is on its way out. We can dismantle capitalism, and we are, collectively, currently engaged in doing just that.

I don't have excuses or fantasies about lessening the demand for meat; I have already lessened my own consumption of meat to a sustainable level, and I, along with my community and many more, support education and resources for others to do the same.

I do not watch football, and when I eat chicken it is, again, bought from a local sustainable farm. I buy an entire chicken and eat all the meat and then make broth from the bones. I use whatever I don't consume as fertiliser; my garden blooms eternal.

I literally was a vegan and consumed zero meat and animal products for 5 years. I have personal experience of veganism and I have researched the effect of veganism on both the environment and on the human body and I am still here disagreeing with you bc you are wrong and you don't know what you're talking about.

And I think that if you really cared about climate change, you would be more open to a variety of solutions, especially those currently in process.

you are painfully optimistic, even more so than the vegans are. no one is trying to dismantle capitalism, you have no community that is engaging in this end, and if you do, then it's doing as much nothing as people who don't care. you were not vegan for five years, you were not vegan for any length of time, you are here disagreeing with me because YOU have no idea what you're talking about and you don't like seeing posts that poke at your little bubble. i've talked to a million carnies just like you, you are not saying anything that has not already been said, you are just so afraid of having to do any kind self reflection and engaging in the discourse is your coping mechanism for that. i know, it's okay. you can keep eating mcdonalds. no one is stopping you. calm down

So, this is what I mean when I say y'all are your worst enemies, and that y'all are rabid.

I am optimistic, and I feel it is important to be so, as an activist. I also think it's important to have faith in the things you do for basic survival, tbh -- how is life worth living if you really think nothing matters and we're all doomed? Like why are you even talking to me if you really think that?

Plenty of people are trying to dismantle capitalism, and have been for as long as capitalism has existed. Though we have far to go, we have made great strides and continue to do so. The weekend exists. Maternity leave exists.

I have multiple communities that I am a part of. Everyone I'm close with is trying to wage whatever war they can against capitalism. We are all making progress, individually and collectively, even if it's sometimes very slow.

I was a vegan for five years and I lived in a vegan household of 13, in a vegan community of 36 people. There is literally nothing you can do to change that, as it is fact and also in the past.

I am here disagreeing with you bc you are ignorant and being very silly, in a negative way, and I think it's important to clap back when people like you propose stupid over-simplistic solutions to complex problems and then attempt to guilt and bully people into feeling bad for not supporting your delusions.

Maybe if everyone you're talking to keeps saying the same things to you, you should listen with what is left of your brain and see if there's some sense and reason being expressed. Perhaps they are all saying the same thing to you bc that's the truth.

I have engaged in self reflection; I currently engage in self reflection. In the past, I put a lot of time, effort, and passion into researching veganism and living as a vegan. Currently, I feel confident in my research and satisfied with my choice to leave veganism behind, bc, through self reflection, collective engagement, and academic devotion, I have realised that it is neither morally superior nor environmentally helpful nor physically healthy to be vegan rather than to just be a sustainable omnivore.

I would never advise any human to be a carnivore, and I doubt you know that many who are.

I don't eat at McDonalds, bc, as I said, I'm an anti-capitalist and therefore I make it a point to stay away from chain restaurants. I also do my best to never eat fast food, as it's bad for me and for the environment.

As I have implied, I enjoy cooking and am very confident in the kitchen.

you did not live in a community of 36 vegans only to drop it, is there anything you say that isn't a lie? yes, the same things, like constantly fighting against capitalism and being vegan in the past and doing any kind of miniscule activism. it's all a bunch of bullshit, if there were really so many of you, something would have been done. but nothing has. two day weekends? that's enough, right? it was one before, but even then people didn't work themselves to death. religious holidays were easy to get too. maternity leave exists in a small fraction of the fifty states, so i don't see how that's a good point. i am talking to you without optimism because i'm making fun of you. you're writing this shit for me, and i'm calling you on all of it. it's either unrealistic or outright untrue, and you're so defensive about it, it gets better with every response. the way you just write me ESSAYS full of lies to make yourself look good to literally no one but you is charming

some woke leftist: omg, i can’t believe that people actually deny climate science.

un: we gotta go vegan, or else.

some woke leftist: um, no?

this sounds like something that would resonate with ppl who either don’t belong to a culture that has spiritual and sacred ties to meat and meat consumption, ppl who aren’t aware of that fact, or ppl who don’t care

this sounds like something that would resonate with people who either think that their culture isn't subject to moral scrutiny, or think their cultural practices should damage the earth at everyone else's expense without criticism, or both

hell, my culture has spiritual ties and traditions involving meat, and i resent it. you do not get a pass, you will be judged, cry about it

Eating fish rn tapping my mouth with a paper towel . Mmm mmm mmm delicious

Tbh I don't think vegans have a very good grasp on reality.

There are a lot of animals that eat other animals. Humans are one such animal among many. Clearly if we have evolved to be able to eat other animals, there is a way for us to do so sustainably.

Sustainable, local meat industry is definitely something we can all agree on, and find ways to support. This would be helpful to both environmental causes and general human health & wellness.

People are not, en mass, ever going to quit eating both meat and animal byproducts, and it is in no way necessary for us to do so.

We need laws that promote sustainability and moderation, not crackpot demands from extremists.

I feel like vegan activists end up being their own worst enemy, bc it's so often their own behavior that illuminates why the vegan diet is ultimately unhealthy; y'all are rabid. And I mean that as an insult. You are, as a group, incapable of sense and reason and chill, bc you lack basic nutrients and y'all are in the process of rabbit starvation.

Capitalism is the cause of climate change; industrialization is the root evil. Humans have been eating other animals since the beginning of humanity; eating animals is not the issue.

Even if you could get everyone to stop eating animals and animal products, it 100% would not stop climate change. Corporations are dumping radioactive waste into the ocean, my demented friends; the issue is not bacon.

we're rabid? did you look at your own reply? lmao

if it's not necessary for us to make the switch, you seem pretty insecure about that taking the time to justify yourself to strangers on the internet.

there is no sustainable meat market. the demand is too much. which is also why we can't just drop farming and start hunting. you make the point that industrialization is the root evil, while ignoring the fact that it's the only way to keep up with the insane demand for meat.

if you really think you're gonna convince people to legislate in the name of moderation, you are kidding yourself. denmark tried this, restricted state canteens from serving meat for two days a week. the backlash was so bad, they had to veto the whole thing.

"as a former vegan," maybe you shouldn't embarrass yourself by making totally unfounded suggestions that have been shot down by vegans and carnies alike. "as a former vegan," maybe you shouldn't feel the need to justify yourself to us; but i know it's not for us, it's for you. and i would hope it made you feel better, but i think you should check your blood pressure, because your reply was wildin'

Yea, I feel like my reply is a pretty measured response to your post. I can admit it wasn't very nice to call y'all rabid, but I think it's true and that you yourself demonstrate that truth in your replies.

Of course there is a sustainable meat market; I get my meat from a local, sustainable, zero-waste, independent farm that raises and slaughters their own meat. I know the farmers and have been walked through their process from start to finish. I have family members and friends who hunt and fish sustainably. I don't think you know the first thing about traditional means of raising/ hunting animals for meat.

I said we need better laws promoting and maintaining moderation and sustainability; that's what will actually help lower demand to a healthy level. The demand for meat has been hiked through capitalism and industrialisation; certainly we can lower demand through long haul education, collective action, and cultural shifting. Denmark's failure doesn't mean they can't try again, and it certainly doesn't mean no one else can. It's hilarious to me that you seem incapable of imagining societies being able to lower the demand for meat, but you think getting everyone to completely stop eating meat and animal products is doable. Like? Hello?

I mention that I'm a former vegan to note that I understand and still connect with some of the reasons people choose to be vegan. And I mention that I'm a former vegan to communicate that I found the lifestyle ultimately lacking in moral reasoning and nutritional stability, which is why I am no longer a vegan. That makes y'all especially rabid, bc you hate to confront any kind of based critique.

I'm happy to engage in the discourse, bc I'm secure in my research and satisfied with my choices.

You're rabid and ridiculous cos your brain functionality is decreased due to a lack of choline, as well as vitamins A, B2, B3, B6, B12, D, K2, iodine, iron, zinc, DHA, and EPA, and I encourage you to see a doctor about that. And maybe stop trying to intellectually debate people until you get it sorted.

my nutritional levels are fine, but thanks for your concern. i'm glad you found the one sustainable farm that exists, but unfortunately that is not a common theme, and it never will be. capitalism hiked the demand for meat, sure, but who's dismantling capitalism? no one. least of all you. the demand for meat will never be lowered because people like you only have excuses fantasies about sustainable farms that no one shops at. you all want to have 25 billion chicken wings on superbowl sunday and engage in the discourse because it makes you feel better about yourself. you're not confident in your research, because I'M confident in MY research and if you had ever done any, you would reach the same conclusions as any other vegan, but you didn't because you never wanted to stop doing it in the first place.

Alright.

I'm also glad that I found a sustainable source of meat, but, again, these types of farms are gaining in popularity and the one I go to is not the only one in my town, and far from the only one in my state, let alone my country (USA). There are also lots of people who hunt and fish sustainably, and that consciousness is gaining traction as well.

Here's some good news for you; lots of people hate capitalism and our numbers are growing. This is due to the fact that capitalism does not, at base, serve the populace; therefore it is doomed. It might take a while yet, but it is on its way out. We can dismantle capitalism, and we are, collectively, currently engaged in doing just that.

I don't have excuses or fantasies about lessening the demand for meat; I have already lessened my own consumption of meat to a sustainable level, and I, along with my community and many more, support education and resources for others to do the same.

I do not watch football, and when I eat chicken it is, again, bought from a local sustainable farm. I buy an entire chicken and eat all the meat and then make broth from the bones. I use whatever I don't consume as fertiliser; my garden blooms eternal.

I literally was a vegan and consumed zero meat and animal products for 5 years. I have personal experience of veganism and I have researched the effect of veganism on both the environment and on the human body and I am still here disagreeing with you bc you are wrong and you don't know what you're talking about.

And I think that if you really cared about climate change, you would be more open to a variety of solutions, especially those currently in process.

you are painfully optimistic, even more so than the vegans are. no one is trying to dismantle capitalism, you have no community that is engaging in this end, and if you do, then it's doing as much nothing as people who don't care. you were not vegan for five years, you were not vegan for any length of time, you are here disagreeing with me because YOU have no idea what you're talking about and you don't like seeing posts that poke at your little bubble. i've talked to a million carnies just like you, you are not saying anything that has not already been said, you are just so afraid of having to do any kind self reflection and engaging in the discourse is your coping mechanism for that. i know, it's okay. you can keep eating mcdonalds. no one is stopping you. calm down

some woke leftist: omg, i can’t believe that people actually deny climate science.

un: we gotta go vegan, or else.

some woke leftist: um, no?

this sounds like something that would resonate with ppl who either don’t belong to a culture that has spiritual and sacred ties to meat and meat consumption, ppl who aren’t aware of that fact, or ppl who don’t care

this sounds like something that would resonate with people who either think that their culture isn't subject to moral scrutiny, or think their cultural practices should damage the earth at everyone else's expense without criticism, or both

hell, my culture has spiritual ties and traditions involving meat, and i resent it. you do not get a pass, you will be judged, cry about it

Eating fish rn tapping my mouth with a paper towel . Mmm mmm mmm delicious

Tbh I don't think vegans have a very good grasp on reality.

There are a lot of animals that eat other animals. Humans are one such animal among many. Clearly if we have evolved to be able to eat other animals, there is a way for us to do so sustainably.

Sustainable, local meat industry is definitely something we can all agree on, and find ways to support. This would be helpful to both environmental causes and general human health & wellness.

People are not, en mass, ever going to quit eating both meat and animal byproducts, and it is in no way necessary for us to do so.

We need laws that promote sustainability and moderation, not crackpot demands from extremists.

I feel like vegan activists end up being their own worst enemy, bc it's so often their own behavior that illuminates why the vegan diet is ultimately unhealthy; y'all are rabid. And I mean that as an insult. You are, as a group, incapable of sense and reason and chill, bc you lack basic nutrients and y'all are in the process of rabbit starvation.

Capitalism is the cause of climate change; industrialization is the root evil. Humans have been eating other animals since the beginning of humanity; eating animals is not the issue.

Even if you could get everyone to stop eating animals and animal products, it 100% would not stop climate change. Corporations are dumping radioactive waste into the ocean, my demented friends; the issue is not bacon.

we're rabid? did you look at your own reply? lmao

if it's not necessary for us to make the switch, you seem pretty insecure about that taking the time to justify yourself to strangers on the internet.

there is no sustainable meat market. the demand is too much. which is also why we can't just drop farming and start hunting. you make the point that industrialization is the root evil, while ignoring the fact that it's the only way to keep up with the insane demand for meat.

if you really think you're gonna convince people to legislate in the name of moderation, you are kidding yourself. denmark tried this, restricted state canteens from serving meat for two days a week. the backlash was so bad, they had to veto the whole thing.

"as a former vegan," maybe you shouldn't embarrass yourself by making totally unfounded suggestions that have been shot down by vegans and carnies alike. "as a former vegan," maybe you shouldn't feel the need to justify yourself to us; but i know it's not for us, it's for you. and i would hope it made you feel better, but i think you should check your blood pressure, because your reply was wildin'

Yea, I feel like my reply is a pretty measured response to your post. I can admit it wasn't very nice to call y'all rabid, but I think it's true and that you yourself demonstrate that truth in your replies.

Of course there is a sustainable meat market; I get my meat from a local, sustainable, zero-waste, independent farm that raises and slaughters their own meat. I know the farmers and have been walked through their process from start to finish. I have family members and friends who hunt and fish sustainably. I don't think you know the first thing about traditional means of raising/ hunting animals for meat.

I said we need better laws promoting and maintaining moderation and sustainability; that's what will actually help lower demand to a healthy level. The demand for meat has been hiked through capitalism and industrialisation; certainly we can lower demand through long haul education, collective action, and cultural shifting. Denmark's failure doesn't mean they can't try again, and it certainly doesn't mean no one else can. It's hilarious to me that you seem incapable of imagining societies being able to lower the demand for meat, but you think getting everyone to completely stop eating meat and animal products is doable. Like? Hello?

I mention that I'm a former vegan to note that I understand and still connect with some of the reasons people choose to be vegan. And I mention that I'm a former vegan to communicate that I found the lifestyle ultimately lacking in moral reasoning and nutritional stability, which is why I am no longer a vegan. That makes y'all especially rabid, bc you hate to confront any kind of based critique.

I'm happy to engage in the discourse, bc I'm secure in my research and satisfied with my choices.

You're rabid and ridiculous cos your brain functionality is decreased due to a lack of choline, as well as vitamins A, B2, B3, B6, B12, D, K2, iodine, iron, zinc, DHA, and EPA, and I encourage you to see a doctor about that. And maybe stop trying to intellectually debate people until you get it sorted.

my nutritional levels are fine, but thanks for your concern. i'm glad you found the one sustainable farm that exists, but unfortunately that is not a common theme, and it never will be. capitalism hiked the demand for meat, sure, but who's dismantling capitalism? no one. least of all you. the demand for meat will never be lowered because people like you only have excuses fantasies about sustainable farms that no one shops at. you all want to have 25 billion chicken wings on superbowl sunday and engage in the discourse because it makes you feel better about yourself. you're not confident in your research, because I'M confident in MY research and if you had ever done any, you would reach the same conclusions as any other vegan, but you didn't because you never wanted to stop doing it in the first place.

some woke leftist: omg, i can’t believe that people actually deny climate science.

un: we gotta go vegan, or else.

some woke leftist: um, no?

this sounds like something that would resonate with ppl who either don’t belong to a culture that has spiritual and sacred ties to meat and meat consumption, ppl who aren’t aware of that fact, or ppl who don’t care

this sounds like something that would resonate with people who either think that their culture isn't subject to moral scrutiny, or think their cultural practices should damage the earth at everyone else's expense without criticism, or both

hell, my culture has spiritual ties and traditions involving meat, and i resent it. you do not get a pass, you will be judged, cry about it

Eating fish rn tapping my mouth with a paper towel . Mmm mmm mmm delicious

Tbh I don't think vegans have a very good grasp on reality.

There are a lot of animals that eat other animals. Humans are one such animal among many. Clearly if we have evolved to be able to eat other animals, there is a way for us to do so sustainably.

Sustainable, local meat industry is definitely something we can all agree on, and find ways to support. This would be helpful to both environmental causes and general human health & wellness.

People are not, en mass, ever going to quit eating both meat and animal byproducts, and it is in no way necessary for us to do so.

We need laws that promote sustainability and moderation, not crackpot demands from extremists.

I feel like vegan activists end up being their own worst enemy, bc it's so often their own behavior that illuminates why the vegan diet is ultimately unhealthy; y'all are rabid. And I mean that as an insult. You are, as a group, incapable of sense and reason and chill, bc you lack basic nutrients and y'all are in the process of rabbit starvation.

Capitalism is the cause of climate change; industrialization is the root evil. Humans have been eating other animals since the beginning of humanity; eating animals is not the issue.

Even if you could get everyone to stop eating animals and animal products, it 100% would not stop climate change. Corporations are dumping radioactive waste into the ocean, my demented friends; the issue is not bacon.

we're rabid? did you look at your own reply? lmao

if it's not necessary for us to make the switch, you seem pretty insecure about that taking the time to justify yourself to strangers on the internet.

there is no sustainable meat market. the demand is too much. which is also why we can't just drop farming and start hunting. you make the point that industrialization is the root evil, while ignoring the fact that it's the only way to keep up with the insane demand for meat.

if you really think you're gonna convince people to legislate in the name of moderation, you are kidding yourself. denmark tried this, restricted state canteens from serving meat for two days a week. the backlash was so bad, they had to veto the whole thing.

"as a former vegan," maybe you shouldn't embarrass yourself by making totally unfounded suggestions that have been shot down by vegans and carnies alike. "as a former vegan," maybe you shouldn't feel the need to justify yourself to us; but i know it's not for us, it's for you. and i would hope it made you feel better, but i think you should check your blood pressure, because your reply was wildin'

some woke leftist: omg, i can’t believe that people actually deny climate science.

un: we gotta go vegan, or else.

some woke leftist: um, no?

this sounds like something that would resonate with ppl who either don’t belong to a culture that has spiritual and sacred ties to meat and meat consumption, ppl who aren’t aware of that fact, or ppl who don’t care

this sounds like something that would resonate with people who either think that their culture isn't subject to moral scrutiny, or think their cultural practices should damage the earth at everyone else's expense without criticism, or both

hell, my culture has spiritual ties and traditions involving meat, and i resent it. you do not get a pass, you will be judged, cry about it

let me go back to touch on this. as a message to my feed, not so much as a response to OP; reality is a far better teacher than i.

the Western World is a fucking k-hole. not everyone has the same morals as you. that doesn’t mean their morals are inherently wrong. and you can say that they are and believe it, and that still wouldn’t make you inherently right just because your heartstrings pull when you see something that you perceive as upsetting.

the West and its inhabitants historically have a fantastically wicked pattern of forcing their citizens AND others to conform to their views of morality. we have seen it over and over again. in more recent history, the citizens have seemed to almost do the job better than the governmental bodies in place over them. i would ask them if they are not tired, but frankly i do not care. other parts of the world are on different times, have different mindsets and attitudes. what some may call barbaric and primitive is a way of life for others. cry about it. i’m sure the English and Spanish missionaries who were abusing children and women and still praying to God that night also thought their morals were aligned; i’m guessing you would disagree with them.

i think you’ll find that as you get older, the world will (one way or another) reveal this reality to you. you’ll be lucky if it’s gently delivered.

blah blah blah it's not that deep, fam. no one is forcing you to do shit, no one is a holding a gun to your head. you wanna frame this with the implication that my post is some symptom of western imperialism, while also shrugging your shoulders and acting like you're above moral scrutiny because... how did you put it? people are allowed "degrees" of varying morals? i was totally gonna let that go, but since this post obviously bothered you so much that you came back to it several weeks later, i'll let you have it: that is an extremely juvenile take. you think that morals aren't completely pulled out of our asses? who are you to decide what the degrees of moral variance are? get off your soap box. you don't get to decide that, for anyone, and you have the audacity to point fingers at people who criticize you for your degree of moral variance? you're doing the same thing! that's difference between you and me. i'm making a joke about inarguable hypocrisy, while you're actually telling people that they're doing something wrong, while also exempting yourself from moral criticism because "wow morals are so wild varying the west is k-hole whatever the fuck means." the only person here who needs a reality check is you, but it's not going to come to you as easily as you suggest it would come to me. it will never come to you because your ego is too big and fragile to handle criticism or learn anything.

i thought it wasn’t that deep 🥺

then act like it

some woke leftist: omg, i can’t believe that people actually deny climate science.

un: we gotta go vegan, or else.

some woke leftist: um, no?

this sounds like something that would resonate with ppl who either don’t belong to a culture that has spiritual and sacred ties to meat and meat consumption, ppl who aren’t aware of that fact, or ppl who don’t care

this sounds like something that would resonate with people who either think that their culture isn't subject to moral scrutiny, or think their cultural practices should damage the earth at everyone else's expense without criticism, or both

hell, my culture has spiritual ties and traditions involving meat, and i resent it. you do not get a pass, you will be judged, cry about it

let me go back to touch on this. as a message to my feed, not so much as a response to OP; reality is a far better teacher than i.

the Western World is a fucking k-hole. not everyone has the same morals as you. that doesn’t mean their morals are inherently wrong. and you can say that they are and believe it, and that still wouldn’t make you inherently right just because your heartstrings pull when you see something that you perceive as upsetting.

the West and its inhabitants historically have a fantastically wicked pattern of forcing their citizens AND others to conform to their views of morality. we have seen it over and over again. in more recent history, the citizens have seemed to almost do the job better than the governmental bodies in place over them. i would ask them if they are not tired, but frankly i do not care. other parts of the world are on different times, have different mindsets and attitudes. what some may call barbaric and primitive is a way of life for others. cry about it. i’m sure the English and Spanish missionaries who were abusing children and women and still praying to God that night also thought their morals were aligned; i’m guessing you would disagree with them.

i think you’ll find that as you get older, the world will (one way or another) reveal this reality to you. you’ll be lucky if it’s gently delivered.

blah blah blah it's not that deep, fam. no one is forcing you to do shit, no one is a holding a gun to your head. you wanna frame this with the implication that my post is some symptom of western imperialism, while also shrugging your shoulders and acting like you're above moral scrutiny because... how did you put it? people are allowed "degrees" of varying morals? i was totally gonna let that go, but since this post obviously bothered you so much that you came back to it several weeks later, i'll let you have it: that is an extremely juvenile take. you think that morals aren't completely pulled out of our asses? who are you to decide what the degrees of moral variance are? get off your soap box. you don't get to decide that, for anyone, and you have the audacity to point fingers at people who criticize you for your degree of moral variance? you're doing the same thing! that's difference between you and me. i'm making a joke about inarguable hypocrisy, while you're actually telling people that they're doing something wrong, while also exempting yourself from moral criticism because "wow morals are so wild varying the west is k-hole whatever the fuck means." the only person here who needs a reality check is you, but it's not going to come to you as easily as you suggest it would come to me. it will never come to you because your ego is too big and fragile to handle criticism or learn anything.

natalieironside

The question "why weren't you more critical / this critical when Obama was president" is a weird one because if i remember correctly I spent most of the Obama administration failing math class, but it's also an amazing question because it's almost always asked by people who are a lot younger than me

hippieghost

I think in my experience too most leftists I know (myself included) were very much still liberals through the majority of the Obama Administration. It wasn't until the final year or two of his presidency that a lot of us were radicalized.

Some might say it was a reaction to the growing radicalization of the right, but in my experience it was a reaction to the early signs of severe fascism that took place even under Obama's administration. Specifically, the police and military reactions to the Flint, Michigan water protests.

Those protests and everything after were pretty instrumental in forming the political atmosphere of this site. Every day most everyone's feed was filled with images of police brutality and people fighting back against it. Those protests were the building blocks for the later BLM protests, and I'm pretty sure looking back historians will see it as an important turning point in the politics of this country as a whole.

omg thank you. because i was. i was extremely critical of the obama administration. i was failing math class because i cared more about what that prick was doing at home and abroad, unfortunately, i could not vote at the time. but that was then, this is now, trump was a nightmare who spent the entirety of his presidency undoing the marginal amount of good things obama actually did. and now biden has his thumbs up his ass too. idc about obama anymore. asking me why i didn't care about obama is not the rebuttal you think it is. you don't know me, and that was two chapters ago. keep up

sixpenceee

The behavior of a bull when no one hurts him | source

i am shocked. SHOCKED

some woke leftist: omg, i can’t believe that people actually deny climate science.

un: we gotta go vegan, or else.

some woke leftist: um, no?

this sounds like something that would resonate with ppl who either don’t belong to a culture that has spiritual and sacred ties to meat and meat consumption, ppl who aren’t aware of that fact, or ppl who don’t care