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Alice Messaging Shan
Jupiter's Lie About Shan's Age
Jupiter thought Shan was a minor when he firstly approached her. He acknowledged Shan's young appearance on a phonecall with her.
But in his statement, he lies about Shanâs age, stating was 25 at the time, and claims she used âdated images of herself,â implying that her intent with the picture was to mislead the reader into thinking she was a minor; despite Jupiter himself believing she was a minor. This is Jupiter's attempt at twisting the narrative.
Would an innocent person lie about their victim's age? đ€„
The Playbook Behind Jupiterâs Statement
Iâve seen some concerning posts on Tumblr, and I want to address them. Itâs genuinely disturbing to watch people weaponize trauma responses against abuse survivors, all while claiming to stand against abuse. Iâm making this post not only because of the harm this causes, but also because itâs a chance to talk about trauma in a way that spreads awareness.
The Messages Used Against Shan
Jupiterâs Spiralpattern content is circulating on Tumblr, and his defenders are trying to discredit Shanâs statement. They point to old messages she sent him, messages where she apologizes, blames herself, and calls their relationship consensual, and claim this âprovesâ she lied.
But theyâre taking those messages at face value without considering the reality of trauma and abusive dynamics. Thatâs not only extremely harmful and ignorant, itâs also a classic tactic used to silence victims.
The irony is that the very messages being used to âdisproveâ Shan are actually symptoms of abuse. They donât undermine her statement. They illustrate the psychological state she was in during that time.
Understanding Trauma Bonding
It is incredibly common for survivors of abuse to deny what happened or even defend their abuser. This is not lying. Itâs a trauma response known as trauma bonding. Trauma Bonding is a psychological phenomenon where victims form an intense emotional attachment to their abuser due to a cycle of abuse mixed with moments of kindness. These brief âhighsâ (love-bombing, apologies, gifts) create a psychological dependency, much like addiction. The victim becomes attached to the abuser, clinging to the good moments while downplaying the bad.
Thatâs why Shanâs messages (âYou didnât r@pe me,â âIt was all my fault,â âWe had a consensual relationshipâ) donât disprove her experience. They reflect it. Survivors often blame themselves because of gaslighting, manipulation, and emotional dependency. If Shan truly meant what she said, her public statement wouldnât still be up.
DARVO in Jupiterâs Statement
DARVO stands for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender, a tactic often used by abusers when confronted with accountability. Jupiterâs response follows this method closely.
Deny
âI am the target of an ongoing smear campaignâŠâ
Jupiter frames Shanâs statement as a personal attack rather than an honest account of her experience. By labeling it a âsmear campaign,â he dismisses the idea that her statement could contain truth or valid criticism of his character.
âUsing these dated images of herself as though they are current encapsulates the false and manipulative nature of the accusations.â
This is deeply misleading. Shan shared images of herself from when Jupiter first contacted her, when she was underweight and appeared much younger. Jupiter himself acknowledged that she looked 16 when they first began speaking. These images were included for context, not to deceive anyone.
From Shan's Statement:
âOur situation was always positive and consensual and I was consistently kind to her.â
This line attempts to invalidate Shanâs experience by framing his kindness as proof that no abuse could have occurred. But manipulation often coexists with âkindness.â Itâs how many abusive relationships operate. This is a minimization tactic.
Attack
âThe accuser was 25 years old when we first began talking, despite using pictures of herself as a teenager in her statementâŠâ
Jupiter attacks Shanâs credibility by implying that she deliberately misrepresented herself to appear younger. He is accusing her of manipulating the narrative. In reality, she used photos from the time when he first contacted her. These images reflected her appearance during an ED, which made her look significantly younger; the very reason Jupiter initially thought Shan was 16 (as seen on the pictures above). Shan addresses her young appearance in their chats and Jupiter himself acknowledged it.
Furthermore, Jupiter appears to lie about Shanâs age. In the screenshots Shan shared, he acknowledges she was around 21 when they began talking. Yet in his response, he claims she was 25. He attempts to decrease the age gap and distance himself from any implications of grooming or predatory behavior.
Reverse Victim and Offender
â...I am the target of an ongoing smear campaign and I have to defend myself.â â...I have a reason to believe she (Shan) was pressured by members of âCrystal Castlesâ ⊠to put out a defamatory statement full of false accusations against me for their own twisted and hostile agenda.â
Jupiter positions himself as the real victim, despite being accused of grooming and s3xu@l abuse. By claiming he is the target of a âsmear campaign,â he frames Shan as either manipulated or malicious, and shifts attention away from her statement to his own supposed suffering.
He also blames external figures (Crystal Castles members), constructing a conspiracy narrative that implies the allegations are not based on Shanâs personal experiences, but on a vendetta. This further discredits her voice and undermines her agency, framing her not as a survivor, but as an aggressor.
Additional Deflection Tactics
In his statement, Jupiter also drags in unrelated figures like Ethan Kath, as though Shanâs stance on other allegations has anything to do with her own experience. This is a classic deflection tactic: redirecting the conversation to someone elseâs alleged wrongdoing to avoid addressing the harm heâs being accused of.
He also uses Shanâs trauma-bonded messages as âproofâ that she is lying; a move that not only ignores the psychological realities of abuse, but weaponizes them against her. Disturbingly, many of his defenders now repeat this tactic, circulating the same screenshots without any understanding of their context.
Conclusion
This is textbook DARVO: Deny the wrongdoing, Attack the accuser, and Reverse the roles of Victim and Offender. Paired with deflection and the weaponization of trauma responses, itâs a manipulative rhetorical strategy meant to avoid accountability, regain control, and punish the person coming forward.
Part 5: Shanâs Confession -Â Opening Up
On October 7 2024 Shan and Jupiter talked again after months of not speaking. These calls show a different side of Shan as she opens up more honestly and shares feelings she did not say in public. You can hear her reflecting on what happened between them and how complicated things really were.
1) Their time together was happy
In this recording Shan talks about their time in Australia as one of the best memories she has. She says it was not abusive which is very different from what she said publicly before. Her voice sounds calm and real here and shows how her story changes when she talks privately.
2) "I really really loved you"
Here Shan says she loved Jupiter a lot more than she has loved anyone else. She talks about how it destroyed her and how emotional it still is for her. These words give a clearer picture of how complex their relationship was.
3) She explains that her extreme love caused her to act out
Shan talks about how her strong feelings made her behave in ways she regrets. She calls what she did disgusting and says it can not be undone. She is crying in this part but mostly talks about how much she loved. It does not sound like she fully owns what happened.
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Everything written here is explained to help people understand better. A lot of people following this situation do not speak English as their first language, so I used simpler words to make sure it is clear for everyone. The full audio files are included so you can hear it all yourself.
These recordings show a side of Shan that does not match what she has said publicly. They reveal how complicated the whole thing really was. You can listen to the full audio yourself. Nothing was changed. This was written only to help explain it more clearly to everyone, including those who do not speak English natively.
More is coming soon. Thank you everyone đ€ đ
Alice Glass once had a tour named "Trauma Bond", yet here we are, watching her fans weaponize that exact concept against a survivor. The irony is painful.
Trauma bonding is a real psychological effect that keeps victims tethered to their abusers. These bonds are incredibly hard to break and often result in victims defending or expressing affection toward the very people who harmed them. And that's exactly what we hear in those recordings. Shan's kind words about Jupiter don't disprove abuse, and they certainly don't erase the amount of evidence against him. They just reflect the emotional confusion and conflicting attachment trauma bonds create.
Using that against a survivor is textbook victim-blaming. And it is especially shameful coming from a community that claims to stand against abuse. Shame on you.
I've already shared in a previous blog how Shan's "confession" was not a spontaneous or free admission. Jupiter himself admitted to obtaining ketamine, a dissociative drug often used in coercive and sexually abusive situations. Even if Shan later claimed "they both passed out", the fact remains: Jupiter created an environment where Shan could not consent. That is rape.
If you truly care about survivors, stop defending rapists.
Paige's Comment On Jupiter's Post
Around 2017, when Alice's statement came out, a fan messaged Paige about the abuse Alice has faced since the fan was an abuse victim herself. Paige responded with a series of messages sharing her perspective, not just about Ethan, but also about Jupiter.
In those messages, she claimed that Jupiter was very controlling and manipulative. She also said that Aliceâs statement was a narrative created by Alice and Jupiter together, describing it as 'mostly lies with one or two highly exaggerated truths.' Paige added that Jupiter didnât want Alice to have contact with her family.
In 2024, when Jupiter released a statement on Instagram claiming Shanâs statement was a smear campaign created by Ethan Kath and Edith Frances against him and Alice, Paige left this comment on his post:
Why would she discredit her own words? If she truly only said those things out of anger, why didnât she clarify or retract them at any point over the last eight years, when fans repeatedly used her messages against Alice? If her goal was to stand up for her sister and defend Jupiter, why wait until this exact moment, right when Jupiter needed supporters to make him look more credible?
A little suspicious, don't you think?
Another thing that stands out is how vague Paigeâs comment is. She simply said she wrote ânegative thingsâ about Alice and Jupiter out of anger and later apologized. But in reality, she didnât just make a few negative remarks, she called them both liars and described Jupiter as controlling, which are serious accusations. Yet she offered no clear context or explanation for why she would say something so specific and damaging if it wasnât true. Anger can lead people to say harsh things, but it surely doesn't lead people to throw serious accusations like Paige did.
Jupiter's Sprialpattern Link
A couple of weeks ago, Jupiter and a lot of anonymous accounts with zero followers (presumably created by Jupiter himself) started sharing a Spiralpatterns link. On that website, there are a bunch of recordings of a phone call between Shan and Jupiter in which she âconfessesâ to having lied about Jupiter for Crystal Castles. The call took place on September 27, 2024. At first glance, it might seem like Shanâs confession is the truth, but thereâs counterevidence that proves the contrary. In June 2024, Shan publicly exposed Jupiter Keyes. However, the original link to the first statement was taken down for unknown reasons. Later, on September 7th, Shan reuploaded her statement to Imgur. The Spiralpatterns link claims Shan and Jupiter had their phone call on September 27th. Why would Shan not take down her statement against Jupiter if she had confessed that she lied for Ethan Kath and Edith Frances? Unless the confession wasnât genuine at all.
Jupiter asking Shan how sheâll âfix thatâ (referring to her public âlieâ) proves that Shan didnât call Jupiter âunannounced,â unlike what the Spiralpatterns link claims. It was all planned and scripted from the very beginning. Note how Shan sounds extremely stressed. Sheâs trying very hard to make up lies to appease Jupiterâs narrative. But why?
When the Spiralpatterns link came out, Shan stated that she was under the influence of ketamine when she had that phone call with Jupiter. Itâs important to know that Jupiter has a history of telling Shan to get high on cocaine before writing positive things about him, so the drugs would make her feel happier and more compliant. Itâs possible that Shan was on ketamine for the same reason.
Shan also stated that Jupiter threatened her with more women being harmed if she didnât confess. Is that what an innocent person does? Itâs also important to note that fear, drugs, and trauma bonding can lead you to do anything your abuser wants. Letâs not forget that Jupiter has a degree in psychology and that heâs worked in orphanages full of traumatized children. He knows exactly what heâs doing.
Jupiter admitted to having ketamine with Shan when he flew out to Australia back in 2022.
In her statement, Shan describes how Jupiter took out a plate of ketamine and sexually abused her after she had passed out from the drug. Later, in one of the recordings on Spiralpatterns, Shan claims that both she and Jupiter passed out.
Even if you take that version at face value, the fact remains that Jupiter created a situation where Shan couldnât consent. Jupiter bought drugs when he arrived in Australia, keeping both himself and Shan constantly drugged. That is calculated exploitation and control. Jupiter has a degree in psychology. He fully understands the effects these drugs have on the brain. The fact that ketamine is often used by sexual abusers because of those effects is certainly not a coincidence.
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