if u watch this show for “representation” ur a fucking clown https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/dracula-steven-moffat-bisexual-bbc-netflix-a9243546.html
If they mean by making Mary the star of the show and dropping Sister Edgelord as the ultimate reason for the existence of the show, then yes they did start to pander to the fans. The Mary fans that is. AA truly lives in some messed up alternate reality. It seems like she really believes Mary is the central character im the show; and that the fans love her. Wow, the gaslighting is so real. Even after 2 years.
If everything is either black or white for some folks, it’s their own problems. I’m sure that you can respect writers (because, well, there are things to respect them for, from the actors they’d chosen to the scripts we’ve been analyzing for years / some of us have based their fan fiction on) without closing eyes for bullshit they’re doing sometimes, from their total inability to talk to their audience as sane adults, to inexcusable choices for these two iconic characters (I don’t care about subtextual layers when I see John Watson beating Sherlock Holmes). They don’t own these characters, they’re not media geniuses. If they want to communicate only with those fans who are ready to accept every single one of their choices with delightful screams, good for them. But we’re not less of fans if we don’t agree that there is some kind of Great Plan we’re, apparently, too stupid to understand (/s).
@yorkiepug, I won’t tell you how long I spent looking for the perfect tartan bomber jacket with that exact coloring but alas, I came up short. OBVIOUSLY, we’ll have them custom made because nothing but the best for our X-Fans. Not only will it be an homage to Sherlock’s dressing gown, but also to kilt!john which I
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Thanks for coming to my TED talk. The order is on its way.
kingdomforapony said: @yorkiepug I live for your bitter posts cause SAME. (&everybody and their grandma still squealing about it in my feeds makes me tired..)
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Thanks 😘 I’ve seen a surprising minimum of posts about it so far. I’m glad people are having fun with it/about it but that’ snot gunna stop me from salting about it. I feel like Mofftiss’ tactics are kinda shady (getting everyone all hyped up with codes etc only to announce it a paid escape room game and absolutly nothing that clears up stupid S4). Of course these are the same guys that charged a bunch for their con and didn’t even show up to it.
I’m mostly weirded out by some people appearing to be pretty damn certain that this means Moftiss are finally descending from the heavens to bestow The Canon Johnlock upon the faithful?? At least that’s how some reactions seemed to me and I’m like???? They just milk the franchise some more with some spin-off shit???? That might even explicitely exclude Martin?????? How is that The Day That Was Promised????????
But hey: Who wants to bet there’s gonna be a new bisexual sex offender villain? =‘DD
I’m honestly really not getting how this escape room could lead to any kind of Johnlock or S5 revelations. Once the first 4-5 people go through the room, that’s it, the spoilers would be out there, it just wouldn’t make any sense to have some huge show revolution in a game that only a handful of folks in London will be able to attend.
And yeah, I’m still wondering if John is involved in any way. If not then whats the point?
Is his how they’re spinning the Johnless S5? And milking the fandom for more money? I mean, it’s kind of obvious at this point. I really want to go on Twitter and scream into the void. I live for the salt on here. Thanks everyone!
If I had never seen the show and seen this fan vid first, You could not convince me that they were not all over each other. ( I almost tagged this post John Holmes…he he)
Hell! I already can’t hear this song without thinking of one of the Hottest fics EVER https://archiveofourown.org/works/864991 so now I’ll just add some MORE Porn to the mix in my head. But I’ll be Happy!!! 😁😈❤❤❤
Mofftiss’s new game doesn’t really impose on me one way or another. I didn’t watch their little recruitment drive but I was positively delighted to hear Mycroft and Sherlock talking. I will happily follow the clues and opinions and responses that come across my dash, and I certainly have no issue with anyone who loves it, hates it or indifferent. It’s all fine.
What interests me is WHY they are doing it. Are they bored? Did they get approached by this immersive theatre company and decided it was an offer they couldn’t refuse? Or are they trying to keep the fandom alive?
Series 4 burnt a lot of bridges for devotees and casual viewers alike. It is generally accepted that the program’s quality had declined, and the lack of coherent stories and resolution was frustrating. If there was a series five, it is unlikely it would rate as well as the previous series.
But maybe if you could put something between series four and series, distract your audience, change their perception of the characters and story lines, maybe series five would stand a better chance.
I have no hope in ever enjoying Sherlock like I did, but I am curious to see how this transpires. Will John Watson show up? Is the indefatigable Mary going to haunt us again? Is Moriarty actually not quite dead after all?
And will Mofftiss manage to buy back enough goodwill in the fandom to make Series 5 an attractive prospect for the broadcaster?
I still don’t even know what they’re doing. Can anyone help? Please? Theatre company? Is it a play or something? Yesterday most people said something about a game. What happened to Dracula? Do they need more money for that? I like how they boldly act like it’s just another hiatus and s4 was great and fandom ready to kiss their arses. Then again, some fans were already quoting the “no coincidences” line, so looks like Mofftiss had nothing to worry.
Goodwill is a very generous word for however fandom acts…
Maybe they’re going to test whether the show would work without John? Have Mycroft take his place, although they really should just get a new actor to play Sherlock’s partner. And hire a writer who can do crime.
No one knows what they are doing yet! In their now well-recognised way, Moftiss are leaving a trail of breadcrumbs that may lead us out of the forest, or may take us to a cafe where Mary Morstan is waiting for us, acting like nothing happened. That said, I really enjoyed hearing Mycroft and Sherlock again. I really think they are looking to see if they continue with Sherlock without John, or with another actor playing John. Moftiss appear nourished and well dressed, so they can’t possibly need the money. And perhaps the lack of enthusiasm for series 4 stung a lot, and they’d like to redress that.
Another thought I had was the complaints about queerbaiting: I wondered if perhaps they were doing a bit of a ret con to illustrate it was no homo all the way, that there was never a gay subtext, and look! Here’s Irene Alder with no clothes on!
Regardless, this latest escapade has been lots of fun for the sections of the fandom. Lets not forget Moftiss are lying liars who lie, and I won’t be giving them a blind dime, but I think we all deserve a bit of fun and games.
Its nice to see people having a good time again. I do worry a bit that people are expecting too much from this and Mofftiss are playing the fandom like they usually do. It sounds like its going to be some kind of immersion viewing of the show, which would be cool if S4 didn’t ruin the show so badly and I still wanted anything to do with mofftiss.
I don’t think Martin/John will be involved at all. Part of me does wonder if they’re toying with the idea of trying to do a Martin/Johnless S5.
Anyway, have fun guys but just be careful. I’m scared everyone is going to get their hearts broken again.
And now if they decide to do S5 without the character of John Watson, the show does not deserve to be called Sherlock anymore. It can be called “the show formerly known as Sherlock, but we just want more money from the franchise.”
seekers-who-are-lovers said: You should have seen where right-wingers latched on to this news bc they see two left-leaning actors “argue.” Some people’s posts are way too slanderous too from wishing that MF should die to his tax evasion (which of course everyone attributes to him even though it was AA) to him being a “cunt, a tool.” Very normal indeed.
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I took a quick peak at the comments but decided it wasn’t worth it. I saw a real mixed bag of hating Martin, agreeing with Martin, the “oh no now we’ll never get a S5″ Like kids, THIS isn’t the reason we’re not getting a 5th season.
How on earth could Martin get blamed for the tax thing? That was ALL AA. He didn’t involve himself in that at all.
Mofftiss are probably at home sipping coffee and laughing over the fact that they wrote the shittiest season that they could and instead of anyone blaming them, everyone is trying to run with this whole feud angle.
While I still don’t agree with Ben’s choice of words or throwing his coworker and past friend under the bus, I do agree that people should be focusing the blame on the creators for this mess, not the actors. And part of me wonders too if something happened recently to Martin that he’s nervous about the fans, because I’ve only ever heard really glowing stories about how kind he is to his fans.
There’s just something we don’t know going on here.
This all sounds to me like the classic actors-trying-to-get-a-better-contract ruse. Put it in the press that you’re unhappy about something (money, coworkers, working conditions, credits, etc) and then your agent gets you a better contract next time around (if there is a next time). We know the Ben said there was nothing in the works yet, and he included the word “contractually”, so that’s what got me to wondering. Sounds like Martin may be angling for better set security with less fan “participation”? Maybe he’s pissed at the way BBC promoted S4, which in effect caused some of the uproar he was angry about. He might be also angling for a shared top billing with Ben, a producer’s credit, or something like that?. And I think it sounds like Ben is definitely angling for script approval. And perhaps a go at directing or writing?
If (and I say IF) any of that is true, then I’m all for letting them have what they want before any possible S5. Although for my own personal preference, I think they should all just let it go and move on. I just don’t think it can be fixed.
Yeah I’m gunna go with a big NO on that one. Although they’re friends still, with the break up and the focus on Mary in S4 and with how unhappy Martin looked in general during the whole thing, I just really don’t think so. I have a feeling he was more pissed about how his character was treated. Good thought tho.
@wdhawthorne
Very interesting point that I never thought of. Who knows, maybe the boys are working together to up their $$ etc. I mean I’M pissed at the way they promoted S4, so I can imagine Ben and Martin might be, it was totally miss-represented in adds.
I don’t think we’ll get a S5, nor do I want one. BUT if it does happen, I would be totally on board with both boys having more say in what happens to their characters. They both really seemed to love their characters and I think we’re just as upset as we were with how they were treated in S4.
@ wmsscottholmes and @yorkiepug. Was that actually a thing with AA? Was being a part of Sherlock supposed to have launched her career? I mean, how possible would that have been, especially if they had gone with Mary as the big bad?
I'm starting to think I'm a terrible judge of character. I originally thought Loo & Amanda were sweet, likable people; then, they gradually revealed themselves to be scraping, nasty people who were more than happy to throw over the real core of the show (& fans) just to get their 15 minutes of fame. They patted themselves on the back while Martin was disrespected and marginalized, John & Sherlock gutted, & the whole enterprise thrown into chaos. S4 became AmandaFest, & it was gross and hollow.
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Hi Nonny!
No, I don’t think you are a terrible judge of character. I don’t want to start discourse at all here, just know that the IMPRESSION that the people give on Twitter could very well differ from how they are in person. I, personally, don’t think AA should have had a Twitter; she clearly has impulse issues and her actions on Twitter during numerous setlocks (and if we’re being fair, off of Twitter too) is why I’m very ‘meh’ on AA, because her actions are kind of reflective of her twitter rants. Apparently, though, she’s a very lovely in person to her fans and those who have met her, and will talk shop with writers and supports good causes, and as I have never met her, I can only take their word for it.
As for LB, I only know of the TFP discourse with her because I have seen the evidence myself, but I’ve had other people tell me that she has been dismissive of fans on Twitter prior to that and caters to The Others (I have my own unpopular opinions why, but I’m not going to say them here). Again, I say she’s probably a lovely person, and there are testimonials from those who have met and worked with her. I think with her outburst, I was more disappointed in her than anything else, really, because she did seem to genuinely like the fans and interacted with them in a positive way on Twitter… until I saw that myself.
AGAIN, no discourse, I’m just saying too many of us hold celebrities too high on a pedestal. Yes, I love the fuck out of Ben, but I will not approve if he went off on a huge twitter rant to his fans if they didn’t support his reading of something, or didn’t do things his way. He’s done his own questionable shit, but I think with him, he acknowledges he did it, and then tries to better himself. LB never acknowledged she effed up, as far as I know, nor did she apologize to anyone about it. At least AA has that over her.
But she did essentially drag Martin through the coals when he wasn’t ready to announce their split, and she posted passive aggressive tweets before it was announced that made it obvious that she was split from him, so yeah. And then there’s the whole Martin discourse as well that’s whole other ball of wax.
I think a lot of the cast misconstrues the reasons we of all areas of the fandom don’t like S4. A lot of the reason many didn’t like s4 was because it turned into the Mary Show, and the main cast got put on as side characters, and then the entire narrative did a complete 180˚. It was bizarre. But anyway, that’s my unpopular opinion on the matter.
I still think there’s a Tinfoil Hat thing going on, but as I’ve said in the past, it doesn’t excuse the behaviour of Mark, AA, and LB on Twitter to their fanbase, nor of the actors getting testy with interviewers. Most show runners would KILL for the devotion and loyalty and SIZE of a fanbase as the Sherlock one, so it boggles my mind that they ridicule the LARGEST PART OF IT (ie. LGBT people and women), when they’ve essentially created that themselves by purposely adding the coding to make it appealing to those people.
Just to add: about other show runners wanting to have the drive that the Sherlock fans have for their shows. I recently participated in the Twitter campaign to save Dark Matter (SyFy loves to cancel scifi shows. smh). And more recently, those same showrunners are trying to bring the Stargate franchise back. They are doing this by actively engaging with the fan base in a positive way. After 10 years, many of us would love to see more Stargate episodes (including the cast/crew/writers). My point is that in 10 years, do you think Moftiss are going to beg the fans to help revive Sherlock? Or that any of the cast members are going to be nostalgic enough to want more?
I could be WAY off, but I feel like the show blurred the lines btwn their real lives and the fiction. I feel like Mary/AA was inserted into the duo, made a wedge, and when the shit hit the fan in the "marriage," Moftiss sided with AA and not MF; thus, he AND his character were sidelined and demonized to the point where even Sherlock would rather look at his phone than at him. S4 was a MaryFest, which is part of the reason is SUCKED. No wonder MF is absolutely DONE w/ it all. He was pushed out.
Hi Nonny
Yeah, I’ve actually had a similar thought along these lines for awhile as well, only because the dynamic between John and Sherlock changed so much in S4 that it pretty much was non-existent, and I hate to say it but it felt like AA had too much say in what was to happen in S4. This thought came about when I read somewhere that AA wanted Mary to die in John’s arms, grieving over him… this is especially cruel since at that point, the split already happened AND John’s character was being sidelined to a minor character (Mary was primary and Sherlock was her sidekick) AND being told John emotionally cheated on her and then was forced to grieve and feel bad about it over her for an entire second episode. I feel like it was a giant “FU” to MF, and like you said, probably blurred the lines a little too close to reality.
See, I actually love S3, and it really felt like there was something exciting and plot heavy in development, followed up by the character development of Sherlock in TAB, which would lead towards an epic climax. It was only logical that Mary was to be a villain with how they were building up her character, and John was going to go through his own sexual awakening in S4 (in a way I suppose he did, in TFP if you read it as John’s TAB). And you’re right, a lot of us didn’t like S4 because the narrative took a complete 180˚ and the main characters were wildly OOC and Mary became a central character in a show called Sherlock. It was weird and bizarre, and everyone did the best they could with what they were given.
So yeah, as I said here, I think MF is frustrated more than anything that he and Ben were possibly lied to themselves about the direction of the show. Again, I don’t KNOW what happened; this is all speculation and hearsay at this point.
I really do hope there is an S5, but given more and more actors and cast / crew are avoiding talking about it, I’m starting to think that it will be a LONG LONG wait.
Hey. Jumping on board the ‘Mary is a villain’ train. I agree with the buildup from season 3/TAB with structuring Mary as the big bad for S4 which would have been so satisfying. Instead we got the Mary lovefest that was S4; and I’m like “no, just no.” As someone who has experienced emotional manipulation and gaslighting first hand, the glorification of those traits in S3/S4 by Mary has given me panic attacks. I’m so disappointed in the showrunners for choosing to emulate emotional abuse/manipulation, gaslighting, misogyny, and other hateful things that I don’t want to watch anything else they write. Dracula is a definite no-go for me. Especially if AA stars. IMO, nepotism was definitely at play in S4. Mary did not deserve the amount of screen time or the ‘redemption’ arc that she received. And the baby? What a pointless waste of screen time. I think I channel @yorkiepug‘s saltiness about Mary, but holy shitballs. I can not stand her.
Mark Gatiss says Dracula TV series will be “a while yet” – but will he be playing The Count?
“I think it’s time for a female Dracula!”
Last we heard, Mark Gatiss and Steven Moffat will begin work on their first post-Sherlock project in early 2018, though Gatiss has now warned not to expect Dracula any time soon.
The pair will be turning their talents to a reinvention of the horror legend, but – on set for the Doctor Who Christmas special – Gatiss cautioned that the planned series is still “a way’s away”.
The show was announced in June, with Gatiss admitting, “It was an amazing reaction to basically just putting a flag in the sand. [But] it’ll be a while yet.”
Of course, Gatiss has played Count Dracula himself – starring in a four-hour audio adaptation of Bram Stoker’s novel, released by Big Finish in May 2016.
So we couldn’t resist asking…. is he planning to take up the cape and fangs again for the new TV series?
“It’s the big one, isn’t it?” he said with a grin, before quipping, “I think it’s time for a female Dracula!”
We’d be up for either option, tbh.
Dracula will adopt the same format as its predecessor Sherlock, airing as shorter series comprising feature-length episodes.
Despite all those Sherlock similarities, though, the show will categorically NOT reimagine Vlad the Impaler as a sexy genius crime-solver. “[It’s] Dracula solves crimes!” Moffat joked at a Doctor Who event in June, before adding: “I just made that up – it’s not that, it’s not that!”
Dracula will be co-written by Moffat and Gatiss and will be produced by Sue Vertue’s Hartswood Films.
He also gave the interview below where he was discussing it, and mentioned “or herself” then backpedaled, concerned fans would run with that, but it was after this piece, so ???
And in this interview, that it’s a stablemate of Sherlock Holmes. He also goes on about Mary and the scene of Sherlock and John running from Rathbone Place.
The Vampire Lovers is a 1970 British-American gothic horror film directed by Roy Ward Baker and starring Peter Cushing, Ingrid Pitt, Madeline Smith, Kate O'Mara and Jon Finch. It was produced by Hammer Film Productions. It is based on the J. Sheridan Le Fanu novella Carmilla and is part of the so-called Karnstein Trilogy of films, the other films being Lust for a Vampire (1971) and Twins of Evil (1972). The three films were somewhat daring for the time in explicitly depicting lesbian vampire themes.
Plot: In early 19th century Styria, a beautiful blonde (Kirsten Lindholm) in a diaphanous gown materializes from a misty graveyard. Encountering the Baron Hartog (Douglas Wilmer), a vampire hunter out to avenge the death of his sister, the girl is identified as a vampire and decapitated. Many years later, a dark-haired lady leaves her daughter Marcilla (Ingrid Pitt) in the care of General Spielsdorf (Peter Cushing) and his family in Styria. Marcilla quickly befriends the General’s niece, Laura (Pippa Steel). Laura subsequently suffers nightmares that she is being attacked, and dies of a gradual sickness; whereupon Marcilla departs.
Faking a carriage break-down, Marcilla’s mother leaves her (now using the alias ‘Carmilla’) at the residence of a Mr. Morton, where Carmilla befriends and seduces Morton’s daughter Emma (Madeline Smith). Thereafter Emma suffers nightmares of penetration over the heart, and her breast shows tiny wounds. Emma’s governess, Mademoiselle Perrodot (Kate O'Mara), becomes Carmilla’s accomplice. The butler and a doctor suspect them; but Carmilla kills each one. A mysterious man in black watches events from a distance, smiling (his presence is never explained). Having killed the butler, Carmilla takes Emma prisoner and departs. When Mademoiselle Perrodot begs Carmilla to take her too, Carmilla kills her. Emma is rescued by a young man named Carl (Jon Finch), and Carmilla flees to her ancestral castle, now a ruin. All this coincides with the arrival of the General, who brings a now-aged Baron Hartog. They find Carmilla’s grave, which reveals that her true name is Mircalla Karnstien, where the General forces a stake into Carmilla’s heart, and cuts off her head. Thereupon Carmilla’s portrait on the wall shows a fanged skeleton instead of a beautiful young woman.
Bringing these back, after discussion with @yorkiepug
Oh god, please please please don’t let Mofftiss attempt to write a female Dracula.
@221bloodnun sorry, I just can’t make myself watch the video. I don’t need to hear Gatiss talk about Mary. I wonder why they are “a ways away” from starting their new Dream Project?