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What a time to be alive
Every time I see the car photos, I think about what that time must have been like for them. They came back together, figured out their shit, got to live in this little bubble hidden from the world as they put it back together. Then due to a world pandemic, they had to be apart for months. These clingy two, back in love after over a year apart, clearly by their own words each other’s person and who makes them feel safe and supported in the world. They are still so into each other, but there must have been a fever pitch feeling to these days. No wonder no stop light was immune.
🥹
They had also probably grown up a bit, matured, figured out what they wanted out of life and love, and been ready for each other in a way they weren’t before 2019.
Yeah and being physically apart and then physically together…whew
can they redo this one next
Are they taking requests?
Tom bringing Claire’s rocks with him whenever he travels for work, that’s her son
Matt: 😶
‘unstan’ lmfao
I prefer ‘destan’
I don't think he bought the ring in January he probably just first approached her then. My guess is he didn't just buy the ring straight from her store. He chose the design and I'd guess it was a custom diamond, on her website she says she does that if desired. So he didn't have the ring in January most likely it wasn't until later. My guess for why he waited is 1) he wanted to do it in The Bay near her family and Christmas was the best option 2) they were both super busy fall of 2024 with his Bero stuff and her filming The Drama, and he knew she'd want to wear the ring right away, it just made sense to do it after they'd finished all that so they could enjoy it privately for a while
Okay sounds plausible!
"If the proposal had been recent the person would not have said that she had to keep the secret for a long time"
I disagree. I would think the proposal was planned well in advance. He didn't book the florist the week before lol therefore she was keeping the secret for a while whether that was weeks or months
In my head canon, the proposal was planned the day Tom landed in Atlanta for NWH filming.
But the theory that it happened before November is negated knowing the proposal happened in the Bay (due to the florist's girlfriend posting) - they were in the Bay for a short trip for her birthday and then didn't go back until right before Christmas due to his work in London/hers in Boston. Her mom was not present for the birthday trip, but she did post herself driving up to SF the day after Christmas and was only there for a day or two before driving back. To me these are way more obvious signs it happened then than just trusting TMZ 🤷♀️ I imagine the whole point of doing it there is because her family would be close by and that's why her mom went up for one day
The facts are
1) A random person said her boyfriend did the flowers arrangements for the proposal some time before New Year’s.
I’m very scientific, and I give that an 80% chance of being accurate, meaning that both she’s telling the truth and that Tom explained to a vendor explicitly that these flower arrangements were for a proposal.
What does “too long” mean? Who knows.
2) Claire drove to the Bay after Christmas.
Christmas is a typical time to visit family just because. And we don’t know that she didn’t go for Zendaya’s birthday, do we? (Genuine question). We know that she didn’t document it on Instagram, maybe because….she was keeping the visit lowkey… And why would she need to have attended the aftermath of a supposedly very small and intimate proposal?
In sum, I’m still like 80% Christmas/New year’s (so likely) but maybe like 20% sometime earlier, maybe even over Zendaya’s birthday.
The craziest thing to me is Jessica McCormack followed Tom in January 2024. Whether you believe the engagement happened in September, October, November, or December.... that's a long time for him to have that ring 💀
Why would he wait so long?
trying to justify the matching tattoos as an engagement thing and bending the timeline to make it work just isn't logical to me when everything points to the proposal happening the month after. we know these two are crazy obsessed in love with each other, they are exactly the type to get matching tattoos before even being engaged (though to be fair tom knew he was proposing in a month)
Okay! Maybe!
it's the top photo. It was posted on her story over the people article about their engagement. though "keeping this secret for too long" to me this doesn't mean they had gotten engaged earlier than christmas, it more so means to me that tom had planned and booked everything well in advance which goes along with what his father said about how everything was perfectly planned out
https://www.tumblr.com/zapbib24/792980696044093440/wait-what-i-dont-remember-about-the-floral
This was from the tattoo artist or some other random person?
What you are missing in your engagement analysis is that there was a post from a tattoo artist in the Bay Area just after the news of the engagement. She posted that she was glad she could finally talk about a secret for a long time and that her bf was the florist that set up the floral arrangements for the proposal. Unfortunately we lost the archive of tomdayaland and I can't find that post in other tomdaya blogs. If the proposal had been recent the person would not have said that she had to keep the secret for a long time. The Golden Globes was basically the last event where Z had to deal with the entertainment press for that year besides a small screening of Challengers the following day (that didn't include the gossipy entertainment reporters).
I think too many blogs trusted tabloids and TMZ for the date as if they are not known to embellish stories. I agree that one source was most likely Amy Pascal. Maybe Tom and Zs publicists did confirm the engagement but gave no details. I don't think that Kaz said anything about the engagement and I don't think that Tom asked him for permission given the strained relationship between Z and her dad that Tom is very aware of. But I don't think he would provide those details to his dad. The only time that Kaz has talked is to say that TMZ was lying. Tom most likely talked to Claire but not to ask for her blessing but to better plan the logistics of the proposal
This is the tomdayaland post of Dom's blog https://www.tumblr.com/jeanjamesb/772283588042457088?source=share
Thanks anon! Can anyone help us out by finding the tattoo artist’s deleted post about the flowers and keeping the secret???
Regardless, it makes more sense to me that the tattoos celebrated the engagement around Thanksgiving and they managed to keep it to themselves for a little while before choosing to go public.
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little black dresses are for nyc 🖤
The trajectory! He’ll be wearing a snowsuit next time😬
“In case she gets cold in her LBD let me make sure we have extra layers….”
little black dresses are for nyc 🖤
The trajectory! He’ll be wearing a snowsuit next time😬
Tom and Zendaya looking stunning in NY.
Do you think people are making a bigger issue out of the little reviews that don’t highlight Tom? the ones that I read reek of preconceived bias or are directly to the script/lack of understanding of the story (like someone said the Trojan war used for action and not as horrors remorse)
It’s giving the whole Z “cameo” thing. People made up an issue out of thin air, and turns out she is not a cameo!!!!
I don’t really understand you, anon. Yes, I think people are always making a bigger issue out of little things! (Maybe myself included!)
Hi! I know we’ve probably all moved on, but I am only now getting to all the engagement confirmations and wanted to investigate what details we actually learned and where we likely learned them from.
I think these were all the firsthand reportings. Let me know if I missed any.
First to confirm was TMZ:
TMZ 1/6/2025 8:27 AM PT
Sources close to the couple tell TMZ ... the "Spider Man" star popped the question between Christmas and New Year's ... dropping to one knee in a very intimate setting in one of Zendaya's family homes in the United States.
We're told Tom didn't make a huge show of the engagement -- it wasn't a big, over-the-top proposal -- instead, it was very romantic and intimate.
Our sources say the family wasn't there ... it was just a sweet moment between Tom and Zendaya.
We get the rough timing (between Christmas and New Years), details about the place (one of Zendaya’s family homes in Cali), info about who was present (just Tom and Zendaya), and details about what the engagement was like (very romantic and intimate).
TMZ lists “sources close to the couple.” These were among the most concrete details we got.
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TMZ 1/6/2025 9:45 AM PT
Sources close to the couple tell TMZ ... the 'Spider-Man' star met with the "Euphoria" actress' dad, Kazembe Ajamu Coleman, "months ago" in order to ask for Zendaya's hand in marriage.
We're told this was an important step for Tom ... as he's very traditional and felt it was important to secure Kazembe's blessing first.
Kazembe, obviously, accepted ... and we're told Zendaya’s family is very excited for this next chapter in her relationship with Tom. In fact, sources say Zendaya's family just loves Tom ... and thinks he's "a class act."
For those wondering, we're told Tom waited months to actually propose as he was waiting for the right moment.
We learn a concrete detail that Tom asked Kaz’s permission a while ago and then a bit about Tom’s traditional mindset. We get a direct quotation about Tom: “a class act.” I think this had to have come from Kaz, right?
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PEOPLE Published on January 6, 2025 01:32PM EST
After news of the couple's engagement broke, a source told PEOPLE that the Crowded Room star, 28, had been "wanting to propose [to the Challengers actress] for a while now."
"He's always been crazy about her. He always knew she was the one," the source said, adding, "They have something very special.
The source said "everyone close to them knew the engagement was happening," just not when. After Holland got down on one knee over the holidays and asked Zendaya to marry him, he was eager to share the news, telling friends about the engagement around New Year's.
As for their future wedding plans, the source said the two want to take some time to simply enjoy their engagement first.
"They will just enjoy things for now and won't rush a wedding. They are both busy with work projects," the insider explained.
The source said Holland could not be happier, noting, "Tom's always had this sweet way of letting the world know that Zendaya is his. Now, it's official — she really is!"
Most of the details here are what I would consider fluff. There’s nothing new about timing, setting, or the actual proposal. The article gestures to “over the holidays,” but that detail is not inside the quotation marks and seems to mimic the wording of the TMZ article, suggesting it’s transposed from there. We get something about not rushing the wedding, but that sounds kind of vague and generic to me. Most of the rest of details are about Tom’s mindset (what he’s been wanting, what he’s known), which could have been sourced to Tom’s previous interviews or just like, observation. They’re generic and not really verifiable. They list “a source.”
What we learn from People here is that Tom told friends over New Year’s.
Then People revised a bit:
PEOPLE Updated on January 6, 2025 01:33PM EST
The Spider-Man costars, both 28, are engaged, a family source confirmed to PEOPLE. TMZ was first to report the news. According to the outlet, Holland proposed at one of Zendaya's family homes over the holidays.
A separate source told PEOPLE that "everyone close to them knew an engagement was happening" — just not when. The source said Holland had been keen to propose to Zendaya "for a while."
“He's always been crazy about her. He always knew she was the one. They have something very special," the source said, noting that Holland shared the happy news with friends around New Year's.
In the meantime, the pair are soaking up the special moment. "Tom's always had this sweet way of letting the world know that Zendaya is his. Now, it's official — she really is!" the source told PEOPLE.
It sounds to me that People has a second source now, “a family source,” who simply confirmed the news of the engagement. I have to mention that the vague comments about the future wedding are omitted, the only other detail to have been changed in this update (👀).
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US Weekly January 6, 2025
“Tom figured the holidays were the best time to propose in a very low-key way,” a source exclusively told Us Weekly shortly after news of the couple’s engagement broke on Monday, January 6. “She didn’t want anything over the top.”
According to the insider, “Zendaya tried to keep it a secret but was very excited to show off her ring. She didn’t think people would notice but didn’t care either way.”
The source went on to note that both felt the timing was right. “Tom wanted to propose because he feels he is at the right time in his life and feels ready to settle down.” The insider said. “They had many conversations over the years, but there was never any pressure. Zendaya is giddy and excited. She knew it might have been coming but never put pressure on it.”
Here we get a bit of Zendaya’s mindset (what she wanted the proposal to be like, that she wanted to keep it a secret, and that she was excited to show off the ring but DiDn’T thInK aNyOnE woULd NoTiCe.) We also get the same info about Tom’s mindset, and we learn that Tom & Zendaya have had many conversations without pressure. This is another set of “details” that are super fluffy and generic. They apply to just about every engaged couple who’s dated for years prior to their engagement.
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ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT January 6, 2025
Tom Holland and Zendaya are engaged to be married and are “ready and excited for this next chapter,” a source tells ET.
“Tom wanted to propose to her over the holidays, says the source,” adding that the 28-year old actor is looking to start a family with his ‘Spider-Man’ co-star. “He really wants to have kids and to settle down.”
First bit is fluffy, generic padding. Everyone who gets engaged is “ready and excited.” Second part is more on Tom’s mindset that could have been sourced to previous interviews he’s done.
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PAGE SIX Published Jan. 6, 2025, 3:39 p.m. ET
Tom Holland managed to surprise Zendaya when he popped the question, a source tells Page Six exclusively.
“Tom and Zendaya had discussed marriage over the years, but Zendaya had no idea he was planning to propose,” the insider says.
“They both value their privacy, so the proposal was something Tom wanted to keep private as well.”
The “Spider-Man” star “asked Zendaya’s dad for permission to marry her, but also asked her mom as well,” according to our source.
“Tom and Zendaya’s families are ecstatic,” the insider tells Page Six. “Zendaya’s mom and sisters can’t wait to start planning with her.”
We’re told “there is no wedding date or plans set yet,” with the source adding, “It’s far too soon to start thinking about any of that yet. They’re still celebrating the exciting news.”
More details re: privacy, now from Tom’s mindset. We learn that Tom asked Claire for permission, too, and how Claire and “Zendaya’s sisters” feel, albeit the fact that they’re excited is fluffy and generic, too. This is sounding to me like it came from Claire?
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DAILY MAIL UPDATED: 17:25 EST, 7 January 2025
When reached for comment about his reaction to Zendaya, 28, getting engaged to Tom, Kazembe told DailyMail.com that it was 'a bunch of crap' that was reported.
That was a bunch of crap dealt out by TMZ,' he said before adding, 'I don't know what you're talking about.'
When pried by a DailyMail.com reporter for more answers, he refused to comment further.
All we get here is that Kaz refutes TMZ’s reporting, and the Daily Mail implies with its headline that Kaz is refuting the part about Tom asking dad’s permission. But if you look at the actual quotation, it sounds like Kaz is just saying “TMZ is full of shit. Bye,” with an emphasis more on the fact that TMZ didn’t have insider info rather than on the content of the story itself.
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What do you all think?
I think that there were three “sources” total. First one was Amy Pascal or someone like her/from her team, going around to the tabloids to push out the engagement story to gin up interest in her cash cows. She didn’t have many concrete details, so she just said some generic, obvious stuff from previous Tom Holland interviews. She may have thought the engagement just happened, or was told as much, so that’s what she passed on.
I think the second, “family source” was some combination of Kaz and Claire. Kaz confirms the engagement to TMZ and gave some details that he thought he had. Kaz or Claire confirms to People. Claire tells P6 that Tom discussed the proposal ahead of time with her, too, because Kaz isnt the only special parent or whatever. And Kaz refutes TMZ on the record to the DM so that he can save face or rectify his mistake after Zendaya told him he was acting like a fool with his initial leaks.
BELATED UPDATE: Elle, JAN 11, 2025 11:40 AM EST
The English actor and author shared in his post that he knows some of the people following him are doing so to glean more details about the celebrity couple. Dominic wrote it “amuses” him, but he was happy to have something to report this time.
“The big news this week is a good example of just such an opportunity for me—are they/aren’t they engaged?” he wrote. “Zendaya wearing a ring and Tom nowhere to be seen adding to the intrigue.”
Dominic then stated that he would not be “adding anything new and juicy like a date, venue, guest list,” but he would be sharing “the different approaches of father and son to proposing marriage.”
“Tom, as you know by now was very incredibly well prepared. He had purchased a ring. He had spoken with her father and gained permission to propose to his daughter,” Dominic explained. “Tom had everything planned out… When, where, how, what to say, what to wear.”
Dominic shared that when he proposed to Tom’s mom, Nikki Holland, it was “nothing like my eldest son who has obviously watched all the slushy movies because growing up I never saw him reading a book.”
He added, “For most blokes, the stress of purchasing an engagement ring is being able to afford it. I suspect that this was the least of Tom’s worries, more concerned with the stone, it’s [sic] size and clarity, its housing, which jeweller.”
The Spider-Man star’s dad mentioned how he does not “envy those who are gawped at wherever they go,” adding, “I do fret that their combined stardom will amplify their spotlight and the commensurate demands on them and yet they continually confound me by handling everything with aplomb.”
He continued, “And even though show-business is a messy place for relationships and particularly so for famous couples as they crash and burn in public and are too numerous to mention… I am completely confident they will make a successful union.”
This is not a primary source but I don’t subscribe to Dom’s blog so I didn’t have that at the ready.
So Dom confirmed that the engagement happened but not when. He confirms the details that Tom had purchased the ring and spoken with Kaz to “gain permission.” He doesn’t confirm that he had also spoken to Claire, and, I don’t know about you, but this is where I’m starting to doubt the 100% veracity of this account. I think Dom’s usually taking poetic license with all anecdotes because he’s primarily an entertainer. The bit about “Tom has everything planned out…” serves this piece of writing because he’s contrasting his own young man persona with his eldest son’s, which he’s done a fair amount and again here for comic effect. That’s just to say that I wouldn’t treat this blog like an historical record.
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Updated now because a trusted Tumblr-er reminds me that I did this research so long ago! I’m slipping.
You know, I’d place the odds at maybe 80% that the engagement happened around Christmas 2024 like these reports say, but there’s always a possibility (20%?) that that’s just when they decided to go public and that the real proposal happened earlier.
Always intriguing!