Finally decided to binge watch Riverdale season 5 on Netflix and did I just see Archie crawling back to Betty-second-choice-Cooper after Veronica dumped his sorry ass? Again? Who would have thought? I certainly did not expect it at all!
This show broke through it's bottom just to reach even deeper one. Yikes.
I posted this last night, but now it’s back, with about 25% more rage!
Don’t let RAS and Co. gaslight you into thinking that you somehow misread the clues and signs this season or that you didn’t see the show they actually made. As soon as the Core Four rolled back into town, the writers were dropping BH breadcrumbs all over the place (and VA ones, too): Cora, who resembles Betty, in the old S shirt, Jughead seeing the Archie/Betty-esque couple at Pop’s and looking upset, the “hey”s, Jessica’s reaction to meeting Betty, Betty remembering Jughead’s passcode, Betty running to Jughead’s aid at the risk of her own life, the looks they shared at Dr. Curdle’s office where they clearly wanted to devour each other, Jughead telling Tabitha after their first kiss that he’d “never gotten over his breakup with Betty,” the chat in the bunker when they seemed to be growing closer and it looked like Betty might open up (finally) about TBK…
We didn’t imagine all of this. These scenes were on the show.
And we didn’t imagine VA eye-fucking during her marriage to Chad, planning a future together, curling up in a bathtub during the very last episode, Veronica threatening her father at gunpoint because all she “wanted and needed” was Archie, and then saying, “nah, nevermind” because he had to go put out a fire in the middle of dinner.
And we didn’t imagine B*rchie hooking up a couple times, referring to it as hooking up, admitting they don’t work romantically, and then barely speaking again for the rest of the season, only to have Archie declare he wants a real relationship with her. (Again WTF?)
And we didn’t imagine JT kissing once, agreeing that they would stay friends, and then never discussing the prospect of dating, not once, until Jughead told her she could “ask him to be her boyfriend” (WTF was that? It came out of nowhere!).
The writers can claim now that BA/JT/Veggie were the plan all season long, but there’s zero evidence of that. They could have set up these alleged plot lines in advance. At the lame key party, Betty and Archie could have admitted that they had genuine feelings for each other, but agreed it wasn’t the right time, or Archie could’ve admitted he was conflicted about his feelings for her and Veronica. In the interim between the key party and their “reunion,” the writers could have given us some (any) indication that these two cared about each other at all, let alone as romantic partners, but they didn’t.
After their first kiss, Jughead and Tabitha could have said that they wanted to date but weren’t ready because Jughead had traumas to work through, and they could mentioned the prospect of dating (like, maybe that they might want to?) sometime between then and the musical, but they didn’t.
After she ended her marriage to Chad, Veronica could have shown misgivings about the reunion with Archie. She could have told him before they broke up yet again that she was worried they wanted different things. She could have confided in someone (perhaps her BFF Katy Keene) that she had feelings for Reggie as well and was struggling. She could have not held her father hostage because all she wanted and needed was Archie, but she didn’t.
The writers could have made a million different decisions to set up the ships they claim they intended all along, but they didn’t make any of them.
We expected BH and VA reunions because the writers gave us consistent hints (and downright anvils to the head) that this was the course they were laying out, and they did it all season long. That’s on them, not us.
I'm not even worried about Varchie anymore. But that's not because I'm certain Veronica and Archie are endgame and whatever RAS said was simply trolling and baiting this one certain fandom again. It's because I no longer care. Whatever RAS is going to do with this show it's not going to change the fact that he destroyed Riverdale we used to know and somehow love, and made it into grotesque version of itself where all development all characters had is gone. It's the same Riverdale but at the same time it's not.
And I won't even try to hide that yes, Barchie cheating arc is what started this whole epic fall. Because by doing that they crushed the main point of this whole series - Bughead investigating, Bughead solving mysteries. We lost that and instead we see writers throwing all kind of traumas at two certain characters and calling it a day. That plus trying to make something out of a ship that was long dead, since season one to be more specific. That's not what we, viewers, fans signed for.
Changes are sometimes necessary but changing the whole character for whatever's sake is not it. If they wanted changes they could give Veronica more screen time and a story that doesn't revolve around men. They could focus more on Toni and her development, they could give her a story that doesn't include Cheryl in any way. They could give Kevin more than a story that always end up with him getting beaten up for being gay (weird considering RAS is a part of LGBTQ but whatever), heck they would bring Josie and The Pussycats ealier and made them a part of the whole show instead of giving them one episode and call it a day. Why not finally remembering they have a great character called Sweetpea who also could get a story, and Fangs? Is he going to be the Toni 0.2 and be also nothing but a boyfriend to Kevin and nothing more?
They could do so much but instead what they did? Made Veronica story be all about men AGAIN.
Had Betty and Jughead have the most traumatic experiences AGAIN.
Put us through another overrated Cooper drama AGAIN.
Gave us weak plotlines, lack of any logic in each and every episode AGAIN.
Brought back a ship that was long dead for the sake of cheap drama and just to cater to one certain fandom who wouldn't stop whining for years, screw that, since the show started AFUCKINGAIN.
Great Riverdale writers. Good job RAS. And then you're surprised why people are dropping this show like a hot potato. Keep taking majority of your fanbase for granted and soon only Barchies are going to stay and man that's not going to help the show, believe me.
ARCHIE ANDREWS has never made himself more clear in regards to what he WANTS and FEELS. This 25 year old man is NOT in denial over ANYTHING or ANYONE. This is CANON.
Any Bughead, Varchie, Bugvarchie shippers out there feeling negative about reunion prospects after the Dipp article? Let me spin it as a positive for you!
1. Chrissy talked about how playing with new dynamics is fun. I said this when we talked about how actors also like having new scene partners gives them something new to work with. The thing about shiny new toys is that they are always start out thrilling. But then after a minute you realize that new doesn’t equal substance. The writers are going to write the best storyline for the characters. But they aren’t going to fundamentally “reboot” the characters. Betty is still Betty. Archie is still Archie. And we know where their hearts will lead them. And the writers know that too of course. And just because something is new doesn’t mean it is the right choice for the characters. The writers trying something allows the characters to try something too and they both might decide that’s not the best fit.
2. The “nothingness of relationships” - the time jump made our characters adults. The first few episodes, the writers had the job of show how these characters have changed in seven years. But they also needed to convey to the audience that 25-year-old characters are not the same as their teenage selves. So sex, sex, sex. Scenes that they felt comfortable doing with adult characters. This isn’t exclusive to one relationship. It’s a tone shift for the show. And a friends with benefits storyline, that allows friends to hook up in a way that screams “they’re adults now” is a great way to get the message across. Doesn’t mean those characters are connecting on some deep level they’ll never have with anyone else. If anything it shows the opposite! That sometimes sex can just be well, sex.
3. Chrissy straight up said this isn’t the end of Bughead’s story... so get excited to see the next chapter!
4. We didn’t get any Varchie hints. On the one hand, it might be easy to say well that is a bad sign. But I think it’s just the opposite. She doesn’t need to give us hints of the future because Varchie’s reconnection is already under way! We’re seeing it play out on screen right now. Working together? Check! Jealous Archie? Check! Archie looking wistful as he lays in bed with a woman he doesn’t love? Check!
So if you felt this article wasn’t a positive read. Don’t worry about it. Not much was said and it’s easy to read into things based on how you feel about them. I promise it was not as bad as you think.
i think it's funny how the bugheads are suffering. it's been one episode 😭
i wish i didn’t agree but i think it’s sweet and a little bit funny too. that’s not me hating on bughead, but imagine being a varchie!
we’re part of the core four, so we’re supposed to be a main ship too, with main characters, but veronica is treated like whatever most of the time.
varchie broke up every season since they started dating. we’ve had to go through veronica not saying i love you back, to b*rchie kissing, to hiram interfering, to people absolutely hating every second of our screentime and storylines because it took away from bughead (or any other ship), to them being apart for basically an entire season while dating other people, to them being back together only spend a row of six entire episodes without any meaningful scenes in season four, to have the only episode of season four a little more focused on them also shared with choni/bughead (as it’s meant to be but ok, no one complained but the others), to the cheating storyline where the whole thing was pinned on archie for a moment, and then the pandemic nine months without knowing his point of view.
then in season five it’s been six episodes and bughead has had big significant moments in the first three and even though they broke up in a sad way and have a lot to unpack, people are acting like it’s been so hard and i’m like---guys, c’mon. i know it’s always hard to see your ship not interact because they’re at odds and most of all, i know it’s hard to see your ship not getting screentime while focusing in other stuff, but it’s been one episode of bughead not interacting and two episodes of them broken up.
i know everyone is eager for a resolution but people need to be more patient and to be less eager, to be honest. it’s the first time in SEASONS that varchie has any focus, and still, we’re sharing it with archie and betty “paralleling” some of our scenes and it’s like... half the crying. i follow a lot of buggies because a) i ship them too and b) i love these people, but i see them complaining about varchie or archie getting focus and screentime and it makes me just sad, to see people talking about it like we’re stealing the screentime and resolution that was meant to be theirs or something. i don’t say this to start a war, but,
archie and veronica are also part of the core four.
veronica is imporatn and should be as important as betty, whether people want it or not.
archie is imporant and should be as important as jughead, whether people want it or not (the discourse about him ‘turning into jughead’ is something else and kind of hilarious to me and i will not go there)
varchie is also a core couple that needs fixing, whether people ship them or not.
it’s going to be OKAY for bughead if their shippers have PATIENCE and WAIT. i know everyone is pissed at archie because he’s with betty right now (”with”) or becaus they’re isolating jughead, but it’s what they did to veronica in season three, they only ever allowed her to talk to reggie and her father. it’s what they did to archie in that dreaded episode of season four where he could interact with betty and his father’s grave, while betty got advice from her mom, cheryl, and scenes with jughead.
so i like bughead, i LOVE my bughead friends, and i want them back together too, but i think people need to be patient and try to let this storyline breathe for a second. jughead and betty spent at least seven years thinking the other was over the other, so they just think they don’t care, right now. it’s gonna come with time and everything will be okay, but you guys haven’t had episodes without interaction since 1.02 and now it looks like the end of the world and i’m like---please, try to be considerate of other shippers for a minute?
(that’s not even to mention the lgbt couples or the other couples that were paid dust through the seasons because of both bughead and varchie, but anyway)
He was clearly passionate about comforting Veronica through all four seasons of Riverdale. He knows how to comfort and be there for people he cares about.
Archie Andrews just doesn't care about Betty Cooper and her problems, and it was never more obvious than it is now.
That's the reason he didn't comfort his "childhood best friend". Simple as that.
I'm not that much into Riverdale these days and no ship gets to me the way some still used to like a few weeks ago but time jump made me a little curious to watch two new episodes and I might say that I have no idea why people are so scared their favorite couples won't get back together. For me, RVD writers wouldn't be any more obvious. Archie Andrews is clearly still not over his high school sweetheart. In fact, as desperate as it sounds, he could not get into relationship for years because he couldn't forget about his former lover. And of course he was enlisted so it's a given that he didn't had many girls around but now let's not act like military soldiers are celibates. He could've get with someone but he couldn't because he hoped for eventually reuniting with his ex. That's dumb but that's how Archie always was. And even after somehow reuniting with her and finding out she's married to, at least for his knowledge, a nice guy, he still tries to check his ground by mentioning that he wasn't in serious relationship with anyone since high school - he didn't and actually shouldn't have said it to a married woman but he still did and I find it hilarious how she just brushed him off and adviced him to live his life and hook up with people. That was a rejection and this rejection is the only reason why Archie turned to Betty Cooper - the first person who was there, single and willing. Betty was the one flirting first, he just went along with it. No, I'm not defending Archie. I don't have too. We all saw it, Betty's awkward attempt to flirt, their hook up in the shower and the scene after where it's Betty who seems to be more into Archie than he's into her. She's the one saying they wanted to have sex since high school, he said nothing. However he's the one who wanted to keep it a secret from his former lover and best friend. Why though? It's 7 years later and his ex girlfriend is married to someone else, she wouldn't mind, it's not her business anyway, right? Yet for some reason he doesn't want her to know, he wants to keep it between them and why? Because he doesn't want to be with Betty, he doesn't want a girlfriend, he wants fun, quick no string attached fun but at the same time he's still not over Veronica and cares about what she thinks about him and this, whatever it is with Betty is not important for him, Veronica is. So who's Betty for him? People call it rebound and that's exactly what it is. Whether Archie is only a rebound for Betty too or not I have no idea but with Archie it wouldn't be more obvious. He's not over his former lover but he can't have her so he takes her advice and decides to live a little and tries to forget about Veronica and his feelings for her. But you know what? After Chad'll come to Riverdale and Andrews will learn what kind of man he actually is, that Veronica's marriage with this man is not a happy one at all, you might all expect Archie Andrews' hero complex kicking in and he and Veronica will get much closer than one certain fandom would like them too.
And about Bughead? I'm not that invested in their story and Betty as for now is the character I dislike the most so I can't say anything about their relationship. It might take them more time to reunite especially since Betty changed a lot and they seem to be much more disconected than Varchie. Betty seems to be over it but this girl is known for hiding her feelings well and putting on a mask so maybe her hooking up with Archie is just her way to cope with seeing her former flame after so many years? Who knows. Maybe. Or maybe she's just a serial cheater? No matter the reason, Jughead deserves better than this. Either Betty sorts her shit out and changes or I'm all for supporting Jughead and Tabitha instead.
Don't fear everyone, we are getting our endgame couples and writers wouldn't be more obvious about that. The thing that scares you so much is only temporary and there's nothing to worry about. If there was something serious coming out of this why making them have this sexual relationship so soon? Fanservice? Possibly. Or simply just something to stir things up a little and add more drama. After all getting Varchie and Bughead back right after time jump would be a little boring, don't you think? So it's all right people, Bugvarchie will be back. For now just enjoy the show, skip things you can't stomach or take a break from the show and come back once this will change for the better and trust me when I say that they will change for the better very soon. We survived near a year or uncertainity and rudeness from one fandom, so we can handle the next two-three weeks.
Another reason to believe Varchie is endgame. They might lose each other for a while but they'll always find a way back to each other.
The second still just hits different. It's the way they're hugging each other, how she probably ran to him before he got into the bus just so she can kiss him one last time. It's like the whole world doesn't matter, it's only them in that moment. If anyone have still any doubts about this couple being destined to be together after seeing this, they just refuse to see the truth and prefer to live in their little bubble.
Just when I thought Bas can't be anymore delusional, they proved me wrong again. Turns out they genuinely believe that Varchie and Bughead - couples that were together and went through hell to stay together - are nothing more but a plot device for ba slowburn.
Can you imagine?
Do they even know what plot device means?
Do they really believe all four season of Riverdale was a set up for their ship?
Screw that, do they even watch Riverdale? Or is there another show called Riverdale we don't know about? I honestly don't know anymore.
I used to feel sorry for this fandom for being lead on by writers for seasons and once I even thought, they could let ba date for a while so all ships would be satisfied and fed. But then after RD writers kind of fed them, I guess, they started being so cocky, whiny, demanding, delusional, mean with their slut shaming Veronica, insulting Cole and his looks, making fun of incest, disrespecting poc characters, ridiculing both Varchie and Bughead saying the former is all about sex and the later only about mysteries- honestly now I think they don't deserve shit, even those few episodes of ba dating. But then I think, if writers give them their slowburn for a moment only to take them from them right after it's going to hurt that much more and I'm all for seeing bas in tears.
Am I a bitch? Maybe, but at this point I don't even care.
So Barchie fans keep saying that KJ and Camila filming scenes together for three days straight (and before too), not to mention Chad being jealous of Varchie close friendship, means absolutely nothing and there's no way that there's something romantic going on between them.
And I'm like.
It's Riverdale.
Why would Veronica and Archie interact at all and have so many scenes together if not because they're getting closer and falling for each other again? Do barchies really, like really believe that Varchie is going to, I don't know, talk about weather or something? It's obvious at this point that those two are getting back together, how exactly we can only speculate but they are. If Riverdale writers would want them to stay friends those two would barely interact, like Jeronica who like have little to none scenes together, because a little reminder, RD writers suck at writing good friendship between male and female. Example? Jughead and Toni, Veronica and Reggie, Archie and Josie, and now Archie and Betty.
Same for Bughead. There might be barely any bts with both Cole and Lili so bas might see it as a win. But hey, there was barely any bts content with KJ and Lili as well yet it turns out, according to KJ, that they still were filming a lot of scenes together, so here's that.
someone needed to make this post and it might as well be me. all things that barchies faked during this hiatus: a writer, a casting call, an art director website, a lili reinhart interview. they obviously tried to frame it on the bugvarchie fandom, but it’s always been connected to one twitter account one way or another, and it’s always happened whenever the bugvarchie fandom had confirmed content/spoilers posted.
this is for b*rchie, you nasty two timing assholes, why the fuck did y’all cheat on veronica and jughead? with your trifling, ugly ass, stale ass, republican “all lives matter” looking asses, i’m coming up there and i’m gonna beat the fuck out of you
you forgot to mention what b/a does to archie’s character in your post about the discourse
oh, of course.
i think that you cannot in good conscience be a fan of either characters and ship them together in the riverdale canon universe. i think i explained how the idea that archie is seen as betty’s prize for her development, and that’s so sexist and gross, but it also does absolutely nothing for archie’s character.
discourse under the cut again lol i’m starting to become a under the cut fan!
so, archie in riverdale is an indecisive and immature kid like in the comics, but as we know this isn’t the comics. he’s indecisive, immature and also highly, extremely traumatized. just like betty is (again, the paralelling characters thing). i’d say these two kids are the ones going through the most absurd amount of trauma to fulfill their roles of tragic hero/final girl.
and, yet, the narrative the b/rchies try to conjure is one to take all of this trauma and pain and project it into betty. it’s almost as if archie wasn’t his own character.
so, archie went through statutory rape and forced to keep a secret from the police about one of his friends death, but “the moment that all went wrong” was when he said no to a girl he had no feelings for then. archie goes through the shooting of his father and is suffering from severe ptsd, but when betty asks for help to deal with the black hood, the shippers say he’s doing it because he’s in love with her. it has nothing to do with him. archie offers to bury himself alive because that’s what his character is about, being a martyr -- he’d do it for anyone -- but no, it’s about betty. it’s not about him.
when archie dyes his hair back to red they say he becomes himself again because of betty shdhhs not because he’s finally back in his town, with his father, with his life. every single move of archie’s life in their eyes is about betty. they act like archie doesn’t exist as anything else but to be betty’s endgame/love story.
today! today someone said archie had gone for betty because he was broken and i think i’ve lost a bunch of brain cells because in the year when archie lost his father, who was his entire north and hero of his life, went through so much stuff, was almost not graduating, etc, they came and said “the only thing that broke him was being rejected by betty.”
i don’t know if i need to give out more examples. it’s impossible to think that ANY archie fan would think, or want, that he went through this messed up storyline and that they’d be ok with the absolute lack of point of view from him. that they would think that archie was doing GREAT and that’s why he couldn’t resist anymore and kissed betty, cheating on his longtime girlfriend for whom he fought for and whom he loved.
archie is not betty’s prize, and he shouldn’t be--one because she doesn’t need him to be, two because he’s supposed his own character.
i’ve seen some people say that hiram brought all the mess into archie’s life and that’s why he and veronica shouldn’t be together, and you know what, fair enough. maybe that’s a good point against varchie--although you cannot convince me that anyone can be a better girlfriend than what veronica lodge is to this boy. she supported all of his dreams and endeavors, losses and wins, she’s always been a steady point despite her father. but ok, let’s say you think b could bring in a sense of home to archie, more stability and familiarity with the past: how would that help them? how would that make them grow? is that what their characters actually want? is that how their characters would reach their best? do they challenge each other?
i understand liking the trope and even the potential of them, i really do, but i think in riverdale canon, the way it is now, if you’re an actual archie fan (like i am despite it all) who wants him to be better you probably ship anything but him reverting to what once was before it all, when he was a lost kid being manipulated and tossed around. you wouldn’t ignore all of his trauma and romanticize it, turning it into a reason to back up why a ship needs to be together.
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