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[doodlechaos]

i don't personally ship it but please please please can we call the key x milo ship gummywyrm please please please

[kal-asterock]

I will say another user and I were talking last night and we think either Jelly Dragon or SpicyJelly!

[somebbunny]

DRAGON STRIKER FANDOM!! I need your help!!

we here in the dragon striker discord are having fun theorizing, we had the bright idea to try and decode the written language. IT IS VERY HARD. i’ve collected a ton of samples of the writing to see if you all can help me decipher it :)

this one for sure means KEY! we know this because of how key stares at it/the camera zooms in on it during the banner trials.

this one means RAGNO, since it’s what he wrote when asked for his autograph.

this one’s from the tomb of agromar, so it probably says something like agromar but it is cut off.

this is sunspear’s list of the final two teams for the banner trials, which we know were pregrina, key, skadi, kamoho, and 1 unnamed other, vs ragno, ssyelle, and 3 unnamed others. (if anyone knows their names it would be appreciated.

i identified key’s name at the bottom of the left list which implies the left is his team, but it’s important to note sunspear points at the second-to-last name on the right list and says “nagatatsu.”

Here’s other clear shots of writing from the banner trials, and finally, what i’ve found so far:

thanks for any help i can get in deciphering this!

[kal-asterock]

Hii some notes about Tamas that I'm gonna write down for theories and speculation.

- Tamas are, at least in some part, influenced by genetics. We know that based on Key inheriting his Tama from his mother.

- They are HEAVILY influenced by emotions. We mainly see it with Key, but we actually also see it with Milo- though his is, apparently, based on fear and nerves more than anything else. Not all of them seem to have reactions like that, but I wouldn't be shocked.

- They may not have been around very long. We know that they've been a thing for at least 300 years based on the finale, but the fact that they refer to Ssyelle blocking the ball with her face and hands 'old school', maybe Gorotama wasn't always played with Tamas? There really isn't enough information yet, it's just a weird thing I noticed.

- There are clearly laws in place around Tamas, based on the street game, but I wonder what they are and how strict they are. If they're used exclusively for Gorotama generally, what is the point of having the power? Like, why develop inherent powers for a sport, as a species.

- Does everyone have a Tama, and we just don't see everyone's since not everyone is a Gorotama player? Or is it something that you may or may not be born with, I wonder?

[somebbunny]

Adding to this, my first thought upon seeing the plot of the show was “You’re telling me all these people have these ultra powerful tamas that could potentially be lethal and cause mass destruction…. and they use it for??? sports????”

it does seem a bit odd to me. i have a theory (A FILM THEORY) that if tamas are really that old, people used to use them for chaos and crime and maybe gorotama was created as a way to channel them into something less destructive? but i’m not sure.

another question i have is if tamas are used for other disciplines like music, medicine, etc., or if their only use is in gorotama. i personally would LOVE to see a popstar with some sort of music/sound tama (that’s probs gonna be my oc tho)!

[truthlessofshinovermin]

building on from this theory

I'm currently thinking gorotama as a sport was developed as a sort of ritual combat to settle arguments and limit the destruction tamas cause

Because it's very obviously a sport in which bodily harm isn't considered that big a deal (looking at you episode 1 ref) and much of the imagery is themed around honourable combat, particularly the knights' stadium

Perhaps the point of it was a splatoon type situation, where it was acknowledged that a trial had to be made, but war would be too costly

[the4thpomegranate]

The only thing I can think of rn is (and this is only if not everyone has a tama) What if there's a kid out there who grew up amazed at gorotama and knows the game by heart and then just isn't able to play because they weren't born with a gorotama? How sad that would be :[....

[kal-asterock]

I'd be willing to believe that everyone has a Tama, but whether or not you can use it depends on whether you were/are taught? I mean, we see Key doesn't know of his Tama or use it at all until he starts learning during the course of the show. I assume it's based on magic systems where anyone can but not everyone will, especially since that was basically Key before he discovered his Tama- he was a huge fan but didn't seem to aspire to play at all.

[kal-asterock]

Hey guys if anyone has good screenshots of the Tomb of Agromar can you send them my way pretty please I need to study it. Like the archeologist.

[kal-asterock]

Thank you @skillissuegames for these

Ep. 11 spoilers!

The Tomb of Agromar... lots of details here I have lots of thoughts about please ask if you wanna know....... ough.

[kal-asterock]

Hey guys if anyone has good screenshots of the Tomb of Agromar can you send them my way pretty please I need to study it. Like the archeologist.

[ssyelletournefeuille]

Sleeper ship lowkey.

[kal-asterock]

SEE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING.

Think their ship name could be Jelly Dragon (since it's a prominent Thing They Do that kicks off the combo stuff), Stone Dragon (stonegarden + dragon), almost said Kilo as a joke LOL

[ssyelletournefeuille]

Jelly Dragon makes the most sense, but Stone Dragon is also cool. The first thing that came to my mind was SpicyJelly and it made me giggle, so it was worth mentioning 🙂‍↕️

[kal-asterock]

Idk how to tell you this but SpicyJelly was ALSO one that crossed my mind. Same wavelength! I definitely like that or Jelly Dragon, Stone Dragon is kinda too... badass sounding for them, I think. Jelly Dragon has the right softer vibe, and SpicyJelly has the goofy vibe! I like both.

[ssyelletournefeuille]

Sleeper ship lowkey.

[kal-asterock]

SEE, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING.

Think their ship name could be Jelly Dragon (since it's a prominent Thing They Do that kicks off the combo stuff), Stone Dragon (stonegarden + dragon), almost said Kilo as a joke LOL

[nitro502]

Does anyone else think it was actually Sugoi copying Edina’s tama who lost control of the dragon? And that’s really why she’s so invested in Key, because she’s the one who killed his mom but also maybe she wants another shot at that tama.

[kal-asterock]

I like the idea but just to throw my own thoughts in, we can see in the flashback at the start of episode one that whatever Tama Sugoi was channeling during that attack was some form of shield based on this:

And the way it shatters. It almost looks like she was protecting Edina.

And in episode 11- spoilers after this point-

When Surya confronts Key, we get an extremely brief flashback of what I assume is Surya's POV of the event. During it, we see this shot, for only a short moment.

It's hard to make out since these are photos of my tablet, but that's definitely Key's mother, or at least not Sugoi? The face is more round and when you see it in motion the hair is slightly pink/red/whatever, it's just off because of the blue. I definitely think there was more nuance than a simple 'Edina lost control and hurt people', but there's something to be said about the value in it having been her. She tried to dominate her dragon and failed, while Key learns to cooperate with it- that alone feels too meaningful for me to want to say it wasn't Edina for sure.

I think Sugoi was involved at the minimum with whatever made Edina lose control, though. And I think she is definitely being vague or obscuring the truth on purpose, but at the same time I don't doubt that she may be trying to lie to herself, or she may be blocking out parts of the memory.

Or that's Sugoi and I'll eat these words.

[nitro502]

Oh interesting I didn’t notice anything shattering. I thought she was just trying to manipulate the flames away.

I get what you’re saying about the parallels, but Key didn’t actually learn to cooperate with the dragon yet. He just thought he did. It still took over his eye and caused him to hurt someone. So everyone thinks he’s still on the same doomed path as his mom at this point. From that music video with unseen clips, it seems like Key will soon be using his tama with much more control so it’s possible he learns how to really cooperate with the dragon in time. Although based on the unhatched red egg in the end credits and the new clips I think he might end up with a new dragon somehow.

I think it’s also interesting that pretty much everything we know about Edina and her tama comes from the goyens who either hate her or love her. So it’s hard to know what to even believe at this point because like you said, Sugoi could be twisting the truth for any number of reasons. And the others are clearly quick to anger so they could have missed a lot of details about that day and just jumped to ‘dragon tamas are too dangerous’ with zero understanding of the actual situation. I hope the Knights try to use that memory tree thing to look at that day at some point. That would be super helpful lol.

[kal-asterock]

Oh man I'm sorry! I don't think I clarified well. Cause for sure he hasn't totally learned to cooperate with it, I just mean the parallel of that seeming to be the direction it's going, with him accepting his anger is part of him and so on. So like, if that is where it goes then we could see how it changes things since history seems to be repeating itself at the moment?

Like... he for sure isn't there yet. But in fairness, he was also provoked during that ending, not that that doesn't mean he didn't lose control? I definitely hope we get the full, clear picture at some point. Maybe from Edina herself even- her body may still be on the school grounds and we have at least one character who can at least summon ghosts.

(Editing to add that the shattering happens only for a split second as well! In the opening scene. It's right after she calls Edina's name and turns to try to reach her, which also happens to be right as the scene cuts 😭)

[nitro502]

No worries. I probably just misread because it’s like 4am and I should be sleeping lol.

It would be so cool if Pregrina summons Edina so they can talk to her directly. The variety of magic in this show allows for so many interesting possibilities.

[kal-asterock]

100%! Also no you're okay, I definitely was NOT clear enough. But yeah, even though Edina's perspective may well be flawed too (guilt, fear, etc), it would be another piece of the puzzle and between each different perspective I think we'd be able to put a clearer picture together... the Dragon also seems to behave differently from other Tamas, and I wonder why that is... maybe Edina knew more.

[nitro502]

Does anyone else think it was actually Sugoi copying Edina’s tama who lost control of the dragon? And that’s really why she’s so invested in Key, because she’s the one who killed his mom but also maybe she wants another shot at that tama.

[kal-asterock]

I like the idea but just to throw my own thoughts in, we can see in the flashback at the start of episode one that whatever Tama Sugoi was channeling during that attack was some form of shield based on this:

And the way it shatters. It almost looks like she was protecting Edina.

And in episode 11- spoilers after this point-

When Surya confronts Key, we get an extremely brief flashback of what I assume is Surya's POV of the event. During it, we see this shot, for only a short moment.

It's hard to make out since these are photos of my tablet, but that's definitely Key's mother, or at least not Sugoi? The face is more round and when you see it in motion the hair is slightly pink/red/whatever, it's just off because of the blue. I definitely think there was more nuance than a simple 'Edina lost control and hurt people', but there's something to be said about the value in it having been her. She tried to dominate her dragon and failed, while Key learns to cooperate with it- that alone feels too meaningful for me to want to say it wasn't Edina for sure.

I think Sugoi was involved at the minimum with whatever made Edina lose control, though. And I think she is definitely being vague or obscuring the truth on purpose, but at the same time I don't doubt that she may be trying to lie to herself, or she may be blocking out parts of the memory.

Or that's Sugoi and I'll eat these words.

[nitro502]

Oh interesting I didn’t notice anything shattering. I thought she was just trying to manipulate the flames away.

I get what you’re saying about the parallels, but Key didn’t actually learn to cooperate with the dragon yet. He just thought he did. It still took over his eye and caused him to hurt someone. So everyone thinks he’s still on the same doomed path as his mom at this point. From that music video with unseen clips, it seems like Key will soon be using his tama with much more control so it’s possible he learns how to really cooperate with the dragon in time. Although based on the unhatched red egg in the end credits and the new clips I think he might end up with a new dragon somehow.

I think it’s also interesting that pretty much everything we know about Edina and her tama comes from the goyens who either hate her or love her. So it’s hard to know what to even believe at this point because like you said, Sugoi could be twisting the truth for any number of reasons. And the others are clearly quick to anger so they could have missed a lot of details about that day and just jumped to ‘dragon tamas are too dangerous’ with zero understanding of the actual situation. I hope the Knights try to use that memory tree thing to look at that day at some point. That would be super helpful lol.

[kal-asterock]

Oh man I'm sorry! I don't think I clarified well. Cause for sure he hasn't totally learned to cooperate with it, I just mean the parallel of that seeming to be the direction it's going, with him accepting his anger is part of him and so on. So like, if that is where it goes then we could see how it changes things since history seems to be repeating itself at the moment?

Like... he for sure isn't there yet. But in fairness, he was also provoked during that ending, not that that doesn't mean he didn't lose control? I definitely hope we get the full, clear picture at some point. Maybe from Edina herself even- her body may still be on the school grounds and we have at least one character who can at least summon ghosts.

(Editing to add that the shattering happens only for a split second as well! In the opening scene. It's right after she calls Edina's name and turns to try to reach her, which also happens to be right as the scene cuts 😭)

[aquaquadrant]

can’t help but feel that ragno was conspicuously absent from the second half of the season. yknow, the second half where key was struggling to connect with and control his dragon tama.

and i know dtva just shared a bunch of character cards that listed ragno’s tama as ‘telekinesis’ instead of ‘dragon’ but like just imagine. imagine if ragno did have a dragon tama like key but the difference was he knew about it and has been developing it since an early age. what would his dynamic with his dragon be like? i think it would’ve been really fascinating for him to open up about how he synced with his dragon and how it differs from key’s and then maybe they kiss wait who said that

[somebbunny]

right right i missed my boy in the second half of the season like. where did he go?? maybe smth happened w him and sugoi?? anyways its fun to hear all the theories im personally curious since its made clear in the show that there’s only one dragon striker per generation and there cant be multiple… what if they both have access to the same dragon? will they fight for it? co-parent?

[kal-asterock]

Shared custody of the world ending dragon is crazy (on that note I did. In fact. Just have a mild realization. For another post)

I wonder... if it would work like tug of war, whoever's got the bigger dragon in a given scene is the one in active control of it?

[nitro502]

Does anyone else think it was actually Sugoi copying Edina’s tama who lost control of the dragon? And that’s really why she’s so invested in Key, because she’s the one who killed his mom but also maybe she wants another shot at that tama.

[kal-asterock]

I like the idea but just to throw my own thoughts in, we can see in the flashback at the start of episode one that whatever Tama Sugoi was channeling during that attack was some form of shield based on this:

And the way it shatters. It almost looks like she was protecting Edina.

And in episode 11- spoilers after this point-

When Surya confronts Key, we get an extremely brief flashback of what I assume is Surya's POV of the event. During it, we see this shot, for only a short moment.

It's hard to make out since these are photos of my tablet, but that's definitely Key's mother, or at least not Sugoi? The face is more round and when you see it in motion the hair is slightly pink/red/whatever, it's just off because of the blue. I definitely think there was more nuance than a simple 'Edina lost control and hurt people', but there's something to be said about the value in it having been her. She tried to dominate her dragon and failed, while Key learns to cooperate with it- that alone feels too meaningful for me to want to say it wasn't Edina for sure.

I think Sugoi was involved at the minimum with whatever made Edina lose control, though. And I think she is definitely being vague or obscuring the truth on purpose, but at the same time I don't doubt that she may be trying to lie to herself, or she may be blocking out parts of the memory.

Or that's Sugoi and I'll eat these words.

[shadow-coolness]

Dragon Striker Spoilers(I suppose)

In the “Key goes head to head with Ragno short” theres an entire scene thats not in any of the episodes

As you can see Key has his blue fire which he doesn’t get until the later parts of S1 after Ragno completely disappears from the plot so either there was a cut episode or they accidentally(or maybe purposefully) gave us a peek at S2.

[somebbunny]

i’m glad i’m not the only one who noticed it!! i lowk think this might be from a potential second part of season 1? i don’t see why it would be cut, especially with the effort put into its animation. plus, full seasons of animated series typically aren’t only 11 episodes they usually are around 22, so i’m hoping another half is coming. Or maybe straight up season two, who knows! but yeah, that really caught my eye when I was watching the shorts series, nice catch!

[kal-asterock]

Noticing something in some of these screenshots...

Spoilers!

Ragno happens to have similar wings etc to Key here... which is making me start to question the idea that he isn't an actual dragon striker like Key. It's still possible, but I'd like to propose something else.

He is a dragon striker, but the key difference is that Sugoi probably played a part in raising or training him. She tried to teach Key that dominance is the only language the dragon understands, which we see isn't true. I wonder if she taught Ragno the same way. It's possible that with an earlier connection to his Tama, he's been able to keep his dragon on a shorter leash, bottle it up. If he were to lose control like Key, I think it would be a good opening for him to have a redemption arc. He'd have to learn to work with and understand his dragon like Key is.

[somebbunny]

sorry but i had to say this what is our opinion as a fandom on shipping year 1s with year 4s??? isn’t that?? a little weird??? idk. i was thinking about it recently. (ex: ragno and key, ssyelle and lilas) it’s like shipping a freshman with a senior. it’s possible the year 4s are 18. idk. guys. help.

[somebbunny]

to clarify i know i encouraged ragno/key and ssyelle/lilas in some earlier posts but this issue just came to my attention and i wanted to shout it out. i’m gonna be more careful about any ships i promote now, thanks :)

[somebbunny]

i read all y’all’s comments and apparently key is 12, which would place year 4’s at 15-16, not 18. Sorry all I was working under the assumption that it was like high school, which if key is 12 wouldn’t be the case. That being said it’s also very possible key skipped a couple years to get into Kal Asterock since his tama is so special.

TLDR; We don’t know all the facts yet or much else aside from Key being 12. For now I say most ships are harmless, do wtv you want. As long as there’s no weird power dynamic at play since Key looks up to Ragno so much.

Thanks yall, I’m glad to be building an ethical, safe new fandom with all of you :)

[kal-asterock]

Wait! I had mentioned Ragno possibly moving ahead because of being Sugoi's golden boy, but *Key* skipping ahead a few years to get into Asterock makes a lot of sense! Especially when you consider his maturity compared to his teammates, even in the same year. He's definitely not the most immature protagonist around, but you can see it especially in his emotional regulation!

[somebbunny]

“ WHY is this BUMPKIN here!! “

ladies and gentlemen my baby ragno because i love him. who cares if he almost murdered two kids.

[kal-asterock]

Hii some notes about Tamas that I'm gonna write down for theories and speculation.

- Tamas are, at least in some part, influenced by genetics. We know that based on Key inheriting his Tama from his mother.

- They are HEAVILY influenced by emotions. We mainly see it with Key, but we actually also see it with Milo- though his is, apparently, based on fear and nerves more than anything else. Not all of them seem to have reactions like that, but I wouldn't be shocked.

- They may not have been around very long. We know that they've been a thing for at least 300 years based on the finale, but the fact that they refer to Ssyelle blocking the ball with her face and hands 'old school', maybe Gorotama wasn't always played with Tamas? There really isn't enough information yet, it's just a weird thing I noticed.

- There are clearly laws in place around Tamas, based on the street game, but I wonder what they are and how strict they are. If they're used exclusively for Gorotama generally, what is the point of having the power? Like, why develop inherent powers for a sport, as a species.

- Does everyone have a Tama, and we just don't see everyone's since not everyone is a Gorotama player? Or is it something that you may or may not be born with, I wonder?

[somebbunny]

Adding to this, my first thought upon seeing the plot of the show was “You’re telling me all these people have these ultra powerful tamas that could potentially be lethal and cause mass destruction…. and they use it for??? sports????”

it does seem a bit odd to me. i have a theory (A FILM THEORY) that if tamas are really that old, people used to use them for chaos and crime and maybe gorotama was created as a way to channel them into something less destructive? but i’m not sure.

another question i have is if tamas are used for other disciplines like music, medicine, etc., or if their only use is in gorotama. i personally would LOVE to see a popstar with some sort of music/sound tama (that’s probs gonna be my oc tho)!

[kal-asterock]

Yeah I was thinming about that! [Spoilers Ahead!]

We know *something* was going on in much earlier times, based on the mention that Tama combos haven't been used in 300 years, and there's more to learn with that tomb* Ameline was investigating and the history of the Knights- the fact that all their stuff seems so old and heavily tied into whatever bad things happened, I wonder if they were actual Knights at some point before Kal Asterock was a school with sports teams!

I do like the idea of Gorotama being started to channel Tamas into something less destructive, but I also wonder if perhaps it started as something like friendly jousts/sparring between knights or soldiers etc. It's all very fascinating. To me specifically.

* The Tomb of Agromar. Their body is laid to rest in armor, and the tomb is carved with what is presumably an image of them as well, also in armor and more importantly, holding a sword. Like an actual, real knight.

[porygonally]

okay !! i think somewhere key says basically that "gorotama is a fun game, so it's really exciting if you find out you have a tama"

i am very convinced that the shattered moon in the sky is lore integral somehow. maybe it's not. idk

also, i think the knights emblem is displayed in the school! i feel like i saw some knights mini-banners in the gym during key's trying to control his dragon episode? and its the center banner, too... i wonder if kal asterock used to be a military school

[kal-asterock]

Does he say that? I'll have to double check on a rewatch! I also think the shattered moon has got to be relevant, but I'm not sure how it could possibly be, yet.

Military school is a good point too! It definitely isn't currently a castle of any kind so I could see that. I'll have to keep an eye on the background for the banners and symbols too! I'm sure some would've been added in episodes after they revived the Knights as a team, so I'm thinking it would be more worth paying attention to the episodes before that to see if the symbol appears anywhere?

[kal-asterock]

Hii some notes about Tamas that I'm gonna write down for theories and speculation.

- Tamas are, at least in some part, influenced by genetics. We know that based on Key inheriting his Tama from his mother.

- They are HEAVILY influenced by emotions. We mainly see it with Key, but we actually also see it with Milo- though his is, apparently, based on fear and nerves more than anything else. Not all of them seem to have reactions like that, but I wouldn't be shocked.

- They may not have been around very long. We know that they've been a thing for at least 300 years based on the finale, but the fact that they refer to Ssyelle blocking the ball with her face and hands 'old school', maybe Gorotama wasn't always played with Tamas? There really isn't enough information yet, it's just a weird thing I noticed.

- There are clearly laws in place around Tamas, based on the street game, but I wonder what they are and how strict they are. If they're used exclusively for Gorotama generally, what is the point of having the power? Like, why develop inherent powers for a sport, as a species.

- Does everyone have a Tama, and we just don't see everyone's since not everyone is a Gorotama player? Or is it something that you may or may not be born with, I wonder?

[somebbunny]

Adding to this, my first thought upon seeing the plot of the show was “You’re telling me all these people have these ultra powerful tamas that could potentially be lethal and cause mass destruction…. and they use it for??? sports????”

it does seem a bit odd to me. i have a theory (A FILM THEORY) that if tamas are really that old, people used to use them for chaos and crime and maybe gorotama was created as a way to channel them into something less destructive? but i’m not sure.

another question i have is if tamas are used for other disciplines like music, medicine, etc., or if their only use is in gorotama. i personally would LOVE to see a popstar with some sort of music/sound tama (that’s probs gonna be my oc tho)!

[kal-asterock]

Yeah I was thinming about that! [Spoilers Ahead!]

We know *something* was going on in much earlier times, based on the mention that Tama combos haven't been used in 300 years, and there's more to learn with that tomb* Ameline was investigating and the history of the Knights- the fact that all their stuff seems so old and heavily tied into whatever bad things happened, I wonder if they were actual Knights at some point before Kal Asterock was a school with sports teams!

I do like the idea of Gorotama being started to channel Tamas into something less destructive, but I also wonder if perhaps it started as something like friendly jousts/sparring between knights or soldiers etc. It's all very fascinating. To me specifically.

* The Tomb of Agromar. Their body is laid to rest in armor, and the tomb is carved with what is presumably an image of them as well, also in armor and more importantly, holding a sword. Like an actual, real knight.

[toby-or-not-toby]

I've never joined a fandom that has like one fic and 4 fanarts and only started like two days ago. Kind of nervous.

[kal-asterock]

Hi it's the same guy but I realized I might want a sideblog for this show so. Anyway.

I think it would be cute for this fandom to make Dragon Striker personas/OCs and have like... our own 'teams' and stuff. There's no purpose for this I just think it would be cute.

(I figure within the show's universe and even Kal Asterock itself there must be casual teams outside the banner teams, and possibly other professional teams for graduates!)

On an unrelated note. If anyone has higher quality screenshots of Milo specifically please share... I can't find any and he's not appreciated enough.

[somebbunny]

OMG YES!! i’ve already been working on an oc.. heh… you can join my discord server for roleplay stuff and oc sharing! this show has a TON of potential for fandom oc’s and i’m imaging smth like mha, where everyone comes up w their own quirks/tamas… i can’t wait to see what everyone comes up with!!

Check out the ˗ˏˋ ★ 𝕂𝔸𝕃 𝔸𝕊𝕋𝔼ℝ𝕆ℂ𝕂★ ˎˊ˗ community on Discord - hang out with 6 other members and enjoy free voice and text chat.

[kal-asterock]

Ohh! Nice! If you ever need help with modding lmk! /np (I just have experience running and modding servers!)