ughhh title ig

Katie - adult - she/her

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widobrave breaking up and then both immediately trying to kill themselves.

no one does it like them ❤️

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why are mighty nein fans so god awful at not spoiling things??

I've already seen (most) of the campaign so its not a problem for me but I feel so bad for the people trying to watch the animated show blind and having it be ruined for them.

Here is a hint, If it hasn't happened in the show: THEN ITS A SPOILER!

Even if you are being all cutesy and vague about it its still a spoiler.

So if you're gonna talk about campaign stuff in the animated show tag, at least tag it smth like: the mighty nein campaign spoilers or put it under a cut or smth. It really isn't that difficult.

and full the love of god if someone is someone is doing a blind react don't jump into their comment section to tell them stuff about the campaign unless they ask for it!* It is so rude and inconsiderate.

*and someone asking a question during a blind react is NOT permission to spoiler them on campaign events. It just means they are engaged in the show and curious about what is happening. The only reason you should give them campaign spoilers is if they specifically ask for campaign spoilers.

[brenatto-apothecary]

they really needed to tone down the horror in this episode like the tortures fine but did we really need all these chairs?? just feels like cheap shock value tbh

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we get a season showing:

A flashback of Alastor murdering a guy for disrespecting him

how much Alastor hates being belittled and treated as a pet

Lucifer belittling Alastor

Lucifer talking about how all sinners are garbage

yet somehow a significant portion of the fandom thinks they're in love? or something? And also that Alastor is going to drop all of his plans to becomes Lucifers glorified attack dog?

I'm sorry but sometimes you guys make me feel like I'm watching a different show 😭 it's driving me a little bonkers.

I understand some of it is just smashing dolls together but other people seem to genuinely believe its going to happen and I'm just.....

I do think they could have an interesting dynamic. With Alastor seeing Lucifer as a representation of all the people that looked down on him as a human, someone who has significantly more power than him not because he earned it but because he was born/created(?) with it.

And Lucifer seeing Alastor (and all sinners really) as this embodiment of all of humanities sins. The sinners ARE his punishment, he sees them as garbage he's forced to live with.

two people who actually just hate each other rather than fanon super sanitized pigtail pulling.

That's just my read on it though.

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Everyone is all "Vox's One-Sided Psychosexual Obsession With Alastor" until he attempts murder suicide then suddenly its all "radiostatic is dead"

I SAY:

[ydktun]

glad to see you again

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Al's master plan banking on Vox being too handsy is hilarious to me.

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Okay, I also think that Rosie and Alastor also have the same goal in mind (no idea what it is) Al was just pissy he HAD to do whatever she said. I imagine he will keep helping her with her goal and maybe extracting more favors from her along the way.

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its very interesting to me that Al was still able to hold his own against Vox even thought Vox was the "Strongest sinner in all of Hell".

Maybe it just wasn't by much? Still it's a bit suspicious.

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theory on Alastors plan: hes trying to ragebait Vox into backstabbing Val and Vel, so Vox will gain their power, therefore becoming the strongest. THEN Rosie will have to either free Al, or make him stronger. Second option seems more plausible to me.

I think the reason he made sure to include the clause about not touching Charlie in his deal with Vox is because that's his escape plan. He knows Vox is gonna end up in a showdown with the hotel eventually, and if he touches Charlie even for a moment Al will be free. And it will be very hard for Vox to not touch her if she's fighting him.

So basically, manipulate Vox behind the scenes, wait for the final showdown, get out of both deals in one fell swoop.

That's my best guess anyway.

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I got some of this right, I'm genuinely shocked this worked out so well for him though.

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sweetheart.... baby.....

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Okay I actually do think its possible that Lu and Al will make a deal sometime in the next two episodes, but not for Al to to be his executioner.

I think it will go smth like: Lu is captured and worried about Vox attacking Charlie so Al offers to defend her against Vox in exchange for Lu fixing his staff/healing him. Lu will probably agree with this because he's panicking and desperate. Then after they make the deal Al will reveal that he already made the deal with Vox to keep him from harming Charlie.

ie Lu gets scammed sadge.

I think this because it feels unlikely to me that this season will end with Al even more beholden to others than he already is, I just can't imagine him signing over anymore of his anatomy right now.

Also when he came up with this plan we saw the statue of the Morningstar family behind him so it makes sense that they will play a part in it.

I DON'T think he'll ask Lu to give him more power because I still believe his plan with Vox is to make Vox the strong sinner and that would be counterproductive.

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maybe im the insane one but I don't get the executioner theory with Al and Lu. I understand the bit about Al's name but in terms of motivations it doesn't make any sense to me.

For starters how many people does Lucifer even want killed? Most of the time he's completely indifferent, and even if he wanted a sinner killed, why not ask one of his sins to do it? Why would he ask Al, a sinner he actively dislikes?

And the more glaring issue I see is why would Al agree to sign his autonomy over to another person, when he is sooo dedicated to getting out of his current deal with Rosie.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something the basis of the executioner theory is Lu has power but can't hurt anyone, Al lacks power but can hurt sinners, ergo they make a deal where Al gets power but he has to obey Lu (be his executioner)

How is this functionally any different from his current deal with Rosie? He would still lack freedom, he would still be someone's pet.

Like yeah Al might like having enough power to kill people, but I really doubt he would like being DEMANDED to go do it.

The only way I could potentially see smth like that playing out is if Al plans on conning Lu somehow, Accepting the deal but having every intention of wriggling out of it. (basically what I think he is currently doing with Vox)

I know a lot of ppl are very attached to this theory and I do think its an interesting dynamic, I just really don't see how it would work for these characters outside of being a complete scam.

All that being said, I DO think the reveal that Lu can't harm sinners does change the dynamic between Al and Lu. Before I really couldn't see a future where Al would feel anything other than disdain towards Lucifer because of how much Al despises people that both look down on him and have more power than him.

But now knowing that Lu doesn't actually have any real power over Al (because he can't hurt him) I think their relationship could possible develop from the hateful antagonism it currently is to a more friendly antagonism.

I still don't ship it, but the vision is a little clearer to me now.

[usedtobethelegendcreator-deacti]

My take on it, via the Alastor stan server

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yeah I think something like this could work after some character arcs for both of them. Lu realizing that he wants to actually try and make Hell a better place and Al learning to be able to rely on other people.

I think that could work as a sort of end of series arrangement.

[kwsp747]

"It's all he ever does these days"

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maybe im the insane one but I don't get the executioner theory with Al and Lu. I understand the bit about Al's name but in terms of motivations it doesn't make any sense to me.

For starters how many people does Lucifer even want killed? Most of the time he's completely indifferent, and even if he wanted a sinner killed, why not ask one of his sins to do it? Why would he ask Al, a sinner he actively dislikes?

And the more glaring issue I see is why would Al agree to sign his autonomy over to another person, when he is sooo dedicated to getting out of his current deal with Rosie.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something the basis of the executioner theory is Lu has power but can't hurt anyone, Al lacks power but can hurt sinners, ergo they make a deal where Al gets power but he has to obey Lu (be his executioner)

How is this functionally any different from his current deal with Rosie? He would still lack freedom, he would still be someone's pet.

Like yeah Al might like having enough power to kill people, but I really doubt he would like being DEMANDED to go do it.

The only way I could potentially see smth like that playing out is if Al plans on conning Lu somehow, Accepting the deal but having every intention of wriggling out of it. (basically what I think he is currently doing with Vox)

I know a lot of are very attached to this theory and I do think its an interesting dynamic, I just really don't see how it would work for these characters outside of being a complete scam.

All that being said, I DO think the reveal that Lu can't harm sinners does change the dynamic between Al and Lu. Before I really couldn't see a future where Al would feel anything other than disdain towards Lucifer because of how much Al despises people that both look down on him and have more power than him.

But now knowing that Lu doesn't actually have any real power over Al (because he can't hurt him) I think their relationship could possible develop from the hateful antagonism it currently is to a more friendly antagonism.

I still don't ship it, but the vision is a little clearer to me now.

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I wanna clarify a little further, smth like a one time deal where Lu has Al kill someone in exchange for a favor (say fix his staff) DOES seem plausible to me.

What I don't get is the idea of some kind of longstanding deal where Al obeys Lu in exchange for power. That is just putting him in the same situation he has with Rosie, if something like that happened I would be baffled and honestly pretty disappointed with the character direction.

[alacetor-the-duckies-deer]

It'll probably be a temporary/one time thing at first, but Alastor still have a favor owed from Charlie, and depending on how things go he could hold that over Lucifer to extend/changs the deal for his benefit

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yeah, If Al has a way to weasel out of the deal or make it benefit him more I could see him proposing/accepting it.

I could also see him accepting a deal with Lu if the condition he has to fulfill is something he already has to do. For example, we don't know actually what his deal with Rosie is but it seems like he's being made to look after the hotel. So if the deal was protect Charlie/the hotel in exchange for power he might accept because that's not changing his situation at all.

Basically, I can see circumstance where the executioner theory could pan out, just not really in an 'Alastor proposes undying allegiance to Lucifer' kinda way.

[alacetor-the-duckies-deer]

Lmao yeah same, like I bet he's gonna word it sooooo carefully too, that Lucifer doesnt even see the roller-coaster sized loop hole in the agreement

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lol yes that's exactly what I'm envisioning.

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maybe im the insane one but I don't get the executioner theory with Al and Lu. I understand the bit about Al's name but in terms of motivations it doesn't make any sense to me.

For starters how many people does Lucifer even want killed? Most of the time he's completely indifferent, and even if he wanted a sinner killed, why not ask one of his sins to do it? Why would he ask Al, a sinner he actively dislikes?

And the more glaring issue I see is why would Al agree to sign his autonomy over to another person, when he is sooo dedicated to getting out of his current deal with Rosie.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something the basis of the executioner theory is Lu has power but can't hurt anyone, Al lacks power but can hurt sinners, ergo they make a deal where Al gets power but he has to obey Lu (be his executioner)

How is this functionally any different from his current deal with Rosie? He would still lack freedom, he would still be someone's pet.

Like yeah Al might like having enough power to kill people, but I really doubt he would like being DEMANDED to go do it.

The only way I could potentially see smth like that playing out is if Al plans on conning Lu somehow, Accepting the deal but having every intention of wriggling out of it. (basically what I think he is currently doing with Vox)

I know a lot of are very attached to this theory and I do think its an interesting dynamic, I just really don't see how it would work for these characters outside of being a complete scam.

All that being said, I DO think the reveal that Lu can't harm sinners does change the dynamic between Al and Lu. Before I really couldn't see a future where Al would feel anything other than disdain towards Lucifer because of how much Al despises people that both look down on him and have more power than him.

But now knowing that Lu doesn't actually have any real power over Al (because he can't hurt him) I think their relationship could possible develop from the hateful antagonism it currently is to a more friendly antagonism.

I still don't ship it, but the vision is a little clearer to me now.

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I wanna clarify a little further, smth like a one time deal where Lu has Al kill someone in exchange for a favor (say fix his staff) DOES seem plausible to me.

What I don't get is the idea of some kind of longstanding deal where Al obeys Lu in exchange for power. That is just putting him in the same situation he has with Rosie, if something like that happened I would be baffled and honestly pretty disappointed with the character direction.

[alacetor-the-duckies-deer]

It'll probably be a temporary/one time thing at first, but Alastor still have a favor owed from Charlie, and depending on how things go he could hold that over Lucifer to extend/changs the deal for his benefit

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yeah, If Al has a way to weasel out of the deal or make it benefit him more I could see him proposing/accepting it.

I could also see him accepting a deal with Lu if the condition he has to fulfill is something he already has to do. For example, we don't know actually what his deal with Rosie is but it seems like he's being made to look after the hotel. So if the deal was protect Charlie/the hotel in exchange for power he might accept because that's not changing his situation at all.

Basically, I can see circumstance where the executioner theory could pan out, just not really in an 'Alastor proposes undying allegiance to Lucifer' kinda way.

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maybe im the insane one but I don't get the executioner theory with Al and Lu. I understand the bit about Al's name but in terms of motivations it doesn't make any sense to me.

For starters how many people does Lucifer even want killed? Most of the time he's completely indifferent, and even if he wanted a sinner killed, why not ask one of his sins to do it? Why would he ask Al, a sinner he actively dislikes?

And the more glaring issue I see is why would Al agree to sign his autonomy over to another person, when he is sooo dedicated to getting out of his current deal with Rosie.

Unless I'm misunderstanding something the basis of the executioner theory is Lu has power but can't hurt anyone, Al lacks power but can hurt sinners, ergo they make a deal where Al gets power but he has to obey Lu (be his executioner)

How is this functionally any different from his current deal with Rosie? He would still lack freedom, he would still be someone's pet.

Like yeah Al might like having enough power to kill people, but I really doubt he would like being DEMANDED to go do it.

The only way I could potentially see smth like that playing out is if Al plans on conning Lu somehow, Accepting the deal but having every intention of wriggling out of it. (basically what I think he is currently doing with Vox)

I know a lot of are very attached to this theory and I do think its an interesting dynamic, I just really don't see how it would work for these characters outside of being a complete scam.

All that being said, I DO think the reveal that Lu can't harm sinners does change the dynamic between Al and Lu. Before I really couldn't see a future where Al would feel anything other than disdain towards Lucifer because of how much Al despises people that both look down on him and have more power than him.

But now knowing that Lu doesn't actually have any real power over Al (because he can't hurt him) I think their relationship could possible develop from the hateful antagonism it currently is to a more friendly antagonism.

I still don't ship it, but the vision is a little clearer to me now.

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I wanna clarify a little further, smth like a one time deal where Lu has Al kill someone in exchange for a favor (say fix his staff) DOES seem plausible to me.

What I don't get is the idea of some kind of longstanding deal where Al obeys Lu in exchange for power. That is just putting him in the same situation he has with Rosie, if something like that happened I would be baffled and honestly pretty disappointed with the character direction.