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Hi! What do you think of Moana being an ENFP instead of an xNFJ? I've seen many people here typing her as such.
I think that would be a dichotomy typing of her, which is faulty by nature. I think her having Se over Ne is pretty indisputable.
Jean-Paul Sartre and Personality Theory
Sartre was a French existentialist philosopher who's main for us was on the existential qualities of freedom and bad faith. Now I'm gunna keep this brief and not terribly wordy but i think this is importaint for the MBTI and Enneagram community to know. Sartre and Albert Camus (another French existentialist) kinda popularized this idea of “bad faith”, which in simple terms is basically when you limit your freedom by lying to yourself.
A humorous take on this philosophy from the always wonderful existentialcomics.com. Essentailly, anytime we mentally limit ourselves by saying we cant do certain things or make certain choices we are being, to some extent, delusional. For example: You have kids to feed and a wife at home, you cant just tell your boss to shove it, you'll have to accept coming in this weekend like he says. Right? Wrong. You could kill your boss. Or yourself! Or, more likely, start looking for a new job this instant and maybe have one by next month. Just because you feel like you only have “one choice” never means you do. Even if they are absurd, there are boundless choices before you. In that vein, Sartre hated any sort of definitions that put people into groups. Race, nationality, cutural loyalty etc. If you were to say to Sartre “I'm a Texas, we love the Rodeo!” Sartre would first ask you to question if you, as an individual, really love the rodeo, or do you love it because you think you should. Then he would question if you were living authentically at all if you were defining yourself with such meaningless terms like “Texan”.
And here we get to MBTI and Enneagram. Sartre would hate them, because whenever you say things like “I'm an INFP” you fundamentally limit yourself to be anything other than that which you've defined yourself to be. “You” ARE free. However, that's not what I want to talk about, because obviously this blog is pro-MBTI/enneagram. I want to talk about his thoughts on facticity vs trancendentiality.
So the facticity of “you” refers to the things about you that are unequivocally true. Your ethnicity, your current occupation, who you're married to, your favorite hobby. While transcendental qualities refer to that which you could or will be. Your hopes, dreams, what you strive toward, your end goals. Sartre says that there is a disturbing human tendency to focus heavily on facticity and to make everything transcendental ultimately factual. We deny the transcendental for what is factual about ourselves and define ourselves by facticity. Sartre says that is, you guessed it, bad faith. We are so singularly focused on the next promotion that we don't even think about what we could be doing instead which is absolutely anything. We limit ourselves by that next promotion and live and die by it.
MBTI/Enneagram is, in essence, pure facticity. We want to understand ourselves as we are. We take a microscope to the qualities and traits about ourselves that make up how we act and seek to explain that. However, we ignore our ability as humans to be random and tracendent of any rule. Everything has to ultimately make sense in the context of our “XXXX (ENFP) XwX (7w6) XX/XX (Sx/Sp)”. We ARE that. We “understand ourselves”. However, we are not just what we are, we are also what we could be. Say your an INFP with the potential to be a great leader in the right context. What we know about INFPs may very well tempt you to stay in your lane and try to find a more artistic life path. That's facticity overcoming trancendentiality. MBTI/Enneagram then becomes a severely limiting factor that oozes bad faith. However, a solution might be to instead choose to focus on the trancendental elements of MBTI/Enneagram. Enneagram is perfect for this. In enneagram we have the direction of area integration in which a 7 becomes a 5 in growth. The trick then would seem to be defining oneself equally as a 7 and a 5, lalancing facticity with trancendentiality. Focus equally on what you could do if you applied yourself, rather than making excuses based on what you are. In the case of MBTI, we need to look at what an INFP looks like in its most healthy state and focus on that equally with where you're at now. An INFP can make an empathetic leader with a golden moral compass, that's every bit as you as the timid book worm who reads “The Stranger” (Albert Camus) in the corner. I think this shift in thinking would benifit the community greatly and keep us from the stagnation that comes from strict definition. We have spent so much time rigidly defining and explaining everything and so little time actually figuring out how to apply it in a way that is beneficial and helpful to the individual. Growth is the most importaint element. Transcendence is every bit as importaint as facticity and i think Ive explianed that. As always, thanks for reading!!!
Enneagram and how good your parents were
1: Your parents sucked, either they were too strict/harsh on you or they offered no structure at all, sometimes depending on the day. 2: Your parents possibly didn't suck, however they did make you feel like you had to give to get, they perhaps weren't unconditionally loving. 3: Your parent(s) were excellent. They spoiled you and adored you. However they expectations they set for you have casted a dark shadow over your life. It's my belief that if a parent makes no mistakes the child will grow up to be a 3. 4: You think your parents suck, but they might not actually. The only thing you know is that they don't understand you, and that makes you feel isolated. They may be "technically good" parents. 5: Your parents were absent. Maybe they didn't suck, but you wouldn't know because they weren't there to begin with. Your parents didn't do a great job of giving you a safe environment making you tur inward for safety. 6: Your parents were great when you were younger, but then something happened to shake your faith in them. Your father figure is especially importaint to you, weather negatively or (more likely) positively. 7: Your mom sucks (lol), but seriously. You were really close to the nurturing figure, but then she either cut herself off from you or was cut of from you and you lost your playmate. Now you gotta fill that hole. 8: Your parents SUCKED. If a parent makes all the mistakes, the child will grow up an 8. The child experienced betrayal and abuse at an early age and now carries a big stick to compensate. 9: Your parents were great (but perhaps not to each other or others), you love both of your parents, but there is often conflict in the home that makes you feel low priority, so you minimize your needs to compensate.
why do people dislike 4s?
People mostly dislike SX 4’s because lets face it, they are a handful. This is refering to 4s that are of the sexual instinctual variant, rather than Social or Self-preservation. The SX 4 is cruel to those they are jealous of and can have a biting distain to anyone viewed as an “insider”…“wake the fuck up, sheeple” mentality. SX 4s are the most seething and hateful of any other suptype. They are original and passionate to a fault, but will outright attack and try to humiliate the competition. “Special Snowflake Syndrome” doesn’t even begin to cover it. These 4s even hate other 4s due to the competition in being the “most authentic”, they’re elitist to the extreme. I myself am an SX 4 fix, with an SX 7 core, so i can see these traits creep up in myself from time to time, it can be sporadic and uncontrollable. Other kinds of 4, especially the SP 4, are more harmless, as the SP 4 will, for the most part, suffer quietly in the perceived alienation and obscurity. SO 4s want to be in the incrowd as the special trendsetter and don’t want to embaressed and feel an extreme amount of shame. SX 4s refuse to feel shame and will set themselves on fire and take you down with them. They are the fieriest enneagram subtype by far. Which can make them interesting to some bit too much for others.
Guidelines for Being in the MBTI Community
This hasn’t been done before, so I thought I’d illustrate some things for the newbies. Having been in MBTI so long, I forget there are people who are fundamentally ignorant. Here is how to gain the most from the community and especially when dealing with seasoned MBTI theorists
1. You don’t know anything. I don’t care how many tests you’ve taken, how many copypastas you’ve read about Your Type - you don’t know what you’re talking about
2. Shut up and listen. There’s a reason why so many of us seem short tempered and unwilling to debate. We’ve had these debates. We know more than you. So be quiet if you want to learn. The nicest seasoned bloggers on here are the ones who aren’t actually “nice,” they’re just more professional. And they have the same qualms as other bloggers.
3. We don’t owe you anything. We don’t owe it to you to type you, respond to your questions, or anything of the sort. We are here to teach you, in our own manner, what we have researched about MBTI.
4. MBTI does define you. Get over it. It defines an aspect of yourself. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you also take issue with calling yourself whatever your nationality is, your creed, your race, sexuality, whatever. Now WHAT aspects it defines, we are here to teach you. If you think MBTI doesn’t define you, chances are you don’t know what you’re talking about or what MBTI is. Thus, I’d like to refer you to points 1 and 2.
5. Stay uncomfortable. Truth does not come exclusively from comfort. There is comfort in MBTI and its paradigm, but in order to approach it properly, you need to follow and accept points 1, 2, and 4. MBTI is not for validating your identity, strengths or weaknesses.
6. If you feel invalidated, take a look in the mirror. MBTI is a fairly neutral tool when used properly. Anything that makes you feel bad is a result of your own weak ego, insecurities, and thirst for validation. Stop that. MBTI is not your mirror for you to project your weaknesses upon. Following that, the bloggers are not mirrors for you to project upon.
7. Study in your own time. A lot of bloggers will reference paradigms and complex ones at that. Many of us have written extensively on them. Take a bit to research what we’re talking about, because the information exists, and quite likely on our blogs. Many, many, many (dozens or hundreds) of asks get ignored/deleted because it is clear you aren’t doing your part. Anyone who is spoonfed MBTI will quickly flounder when trying to apply it themselves.
8. We are that good. We know what we’re talking about. If you don’t like it, leave. Arguing with us, when you know nothing about MBTI, won’t get you very far. We constantly debate among ourselves because we have put in the time, effort and have the foundations for a good debate. Don’t ask us “how we are so good at MBTI” and turn around and say “you can’t do that.” Because we can. And we do. And most of you on here don’t have the foundation to even begin to type people in unorthodox manners as we do, which is why many of us don’t elucidate on topics such as visual typing, typing based on physical behavior, typing based on how someone talks, etc. Again, just because you can’t do something doesn’t mean we can’t. We are not a mirror of your capabilities.
9. We are not here to prove ourselves to you. We have nothing to prove. Those who want to learn, shall, and those who want to stroke their ego about how much smarter they are than us will, and the latter shall be ignored. I personally blog out of obligation, given that there is a lack of good information on the internet. But I don’t need to prove myself and stroke your ego. I’m going to do what I want to do - which is teach.
“Many, many, many (dozens or hundreds) of asks get ignored/deleted because it is clear you aren’t doing your part.” and “The nicest seasoned bloggers on here are the ones who aren’t actually “nice,” they’re just more professional.” definitely points to pay attention to. ‘Why aren’t you nice/tolerant like x blogger’ well, x blogger just values SEEMING nicer and more tolerant (professional), regardless of what they say lol. They get as frustrated and annoyed as everyone else, they’re just unwilling to talk about it, let on, or make it known.
#ouch I cut myself on the edge#I mean there’s truth here but#crikey this is cringey#this is more like general life advice#I could offer some of my own#which is not to alienate people who are less experienced than yourself#I get that you’re frustrated but damn
In response to your tags @cleofis-randolph: people will be alienated one way or another. My suggestion was for people who wish to learn.
That is, people seeking wisdom from MBTI and Enneagram. It is easy to come into a community and immediately fall for the uwu feel good blogs that are, more often than not, horrendously inaccurate. Then you’re stuck in an abysmal pit of ignorance.
Also, it’s both general life advice and specific life advice. You’ll get pretty far following this kind of advice, cringey to you or not.
Beautiful.
Can ni + fe mimic fi? If so, how can one tell the difference between ni-fe and fi in themselves?
Yes! Socionics Model A tells us that amongst INFJs, Fi is what is called their “demonstrable function”. You don’t “have it” in the operative sense, but it’s actually one of the strongest functions in the INFJ set. Basically, when Ni and Fe rub togeather sparks fly out, these “sparks” tend to be what we would recognize as Fi. The timeless wisdom and perspectives of Ni combine with the affection and emotionality of Fe to create a sage like respect of personal values and individuality of perspective we would probably recognize operatively as Fi.
I am starting to learn about enneagram tritypes and i have a question. let´s suppose someone is a 5w4 for example. wouldn´t that means that they would automaticaly be a 4 in the heart type? like, for example 5w4 4w5 1w9 or is it possible for them to be a 5w4 and then 2w3? you know what i mean? sorry it that didin´t made sense. i mean, if my wing is from a diferent center, doesn´t that means that i will pick that number as my dominant type on that center?
Yes, you could be a two in the heart center and still have a 4 wing on the 5 :)
why has no one fallen in love w/ me yet i’m so bored
Enneagram 4
Tritype finder
First set
Assertive
You are energetic and aim to benefit from the world. You appear independent and focus on your own desires. You can become overly aggressive and narcissistic.
Compliant
You are driven and aim to improve the world. You appear mature, because of your moral focus. You can become overly repressed and controlled.
Withdrawn
You are introspective and aim to balance and understand yourself. You appear deep and focus on your inner world. You can become overly withdrawn and inactive.
Second set
Competent
You are unemotional and serious, often appearing intellectual. You can put your emotions aside to work logically more easily than the other types. But your emotions can end up being ignored and overlooked.
Positive
You are cheerful and sociable, often appearing extroverted. You avoid negative emotions, preferring to maintain a positive inner world. But you can end up being compulsively positive.
Reactive
You are emotional and alert to problems, often appearing intense. You are highly aware of the value of emotion and are emotionally intelligent. But you can end up being overly dramatic.
Third set
Attachment
You are flexible, seeking support and approval. You are people-oriented and socially aware. But you can become wavering and easily swayed, unable to break social norms, even for the greater good.
Frustration
You are idealistic, seeking perfection in everything. You are passionate about your ideal world. But you can become overly critical of the flawed real world.
Rejection
You are realistic, seeking power and control. You are independent and self-focused. But you can become controlling and aggressive, unable to relinquish control, even for the greater good.
Results
Technicalities
You cannot choose any of these 9 combinations:
CCF
CPR
ACA
WRF
WCR
CRA
APF
ARR
WPA
But you can choose balanced (x) on 0 or 2 of the sets, but NOT 1.
This is a legit theory. Should be getting way more attention!
Enneagram Types Ranked in order of how disliked they are on tumblr
From most to least disliked
8 Cp6 4 9 5 1 7 3 p6 2
Well, I’d say that depends. In terms of the people who are 8s on here, yeah, they tend to be fairly disliked.
But the type itself isn’t really that disliked from what I’ve seen, rather, they seem more idolized than anything.
I’d personally put 4 at the top, as that and 9 seem to be the only ones I’ve seen used as an insult
I’d put 4 at the top with cp6 as a close second.
I could agree with that sentiment, it just what I've personally seen :)
Enneagram Types Ranked in order of how disliked they are on tumblr
From most to least disliked 8 Cp6 4 9 5 1 7 3 p6 2
More personal Mistypings
Im an ENFP cp6w7/4w5/8w9(The Truth Teller) sp/sx (not 6w7/9w8/4w5 sx/so The Seeker) And My INFJ partner is a 5w4/2w1/9w8 (The Problem Solver) sx/so (not 6w5/4w3/9w1 sx/sp) And my brother (not that anyone cares, just correcting things said in the past) is an INFJ 1w2/7w6/4w3 (The Visionary) Sx/so (not ENFP 2w1 blah blah blah) Thanks for being understanding!
Tag yourself im “bitch what the fuck”
Lol no we’re not what the hell stop glorifying suicide
Why are INFPs like this
Everyone @ enneagram 4s
MBTI Terms vs Conventional Meaning
One of the main problems with MBTI is that this theory uses rather common words to indicate types, but these MBTI “jargon” actually have completely different meanings from their conventional usage. This leads to misunderstandings of what the actual MBTI theory is about.
Moreover, most MBTI tests give you results based on percentages of I vs E, S vs N, T vs F, and J vs P. This creates a misunderstanding that the theory is based on the dichotomies between each letter pair, and that someone can be half J and half P, for example.
Let’s explore what MBTI terms really mean, and how they differ from the conventional meanings of these words, and the misinterpreted stereotypical/dichotomous “MBTI” meanings.
Introvert (I)
Introvert (conventional & stereotypical/dichotomous MBTI)
Someone who likes to spend time alone, preferring to be in their own room reading books
Someone who dislikes parties or any kinds of social gatherings
Probably shy and doesn’t talk much, may have social anxiety
Has few close friends, or, no real life friends
Has low energy
Introvert (MBTI)
Having a dominant introverted function (Ti, Fi, Ni, or Si)
A preference for focusing their energy inward e.g. tending to their own thoughts alone, analyzing themselves and their environment
A preference for formulating complete thoughts or theories on their own first before sharing them with other people
An MBTI introvert can be outgoing and sociable, but they still feel more at home being with their own thoughts and get worn out faster when interacting with people than extraverts
Extravert (E)
Extravert (conventional & stereotypical/dichotomous MBTI)
Someone who’s outgoing and a social butterfly
Loves parties
Has a large group of friends and large network of acquaintances
Great at networking and making new friends
Talkative and socially confident
Energetic
Extravert (MBTI)
Having a dominant extraverted function (Te, Fe, Ne, or Se)
A preference for focusing their energy outward e.g. interacting with the outside world by talking to others or taking actions and interacting with their surroundings
A preference for formulating their thoughts as they talk out loud to other people without having completely polished thoughts beforehand
An MBTI extravert can have social anxiety and dislike spending time with a large group of people, but they still have a preference of interacting with the outside world. An MBTI extravert may only prefer spending time with their few close friends, but they need to interact with those few close friends a lot to feel fulfilled and balanced.
Ambivert
Ambivert (conventional)
Someone who has both qualities of the conventional introvert and the conventional extravert in moderate amount
i.e. pretty much everyone on earth
Ambivert (stereotypical/dichotomous MBTI)
Someone who gets 50% E and 50% I on MBTI tests
Ambivert (MBTI)
This is a trick. It doesn’t exist in this theory.
Why? Because of each type’s thought process works based on 4 cognitive functions (out of 8). You can’t be half this type and half the other type because you’d have conflicting cognitive functions - i.e. constant cognitive dissonance with every single living thought, so you’d not be a functioning human (get the pun?).
For the more advanced MBTI enthusiasts: Yes, introverts and extraverts with the same last 3 letters have the same functions (e.g. INTP and ENTP), but you still can’t really be half-half because Ti-Ne and Ne-Ti approach the world differently. They experience different problems and stress factors (Ti-Si loop and Fe grip v.s. Ne-Fe loop and Si-grip).
If you don’t know what cognitive functions are, start with this.
Intuitive (N)
Intuitive (conventional)
Knowing something to be true without conscious reasoning or the need to go through information
“Women’s intuition”
Having an almost psychic ability to “get” people
Fluid intelligence (e.g. an intuitive learner)
Intuitive (stereotypical/dichotomous MBTI)
An intelligent, interesting person who gets all the funny jokes and subtle hints that people give
Imaginative, creative, artistic, explorative
Intuitive (MBTI)
Someone who prefers to use interpretations of information they receive from the 5 senses - e.g. possibilities of what these things could be, their theoretical usage, and what they relate to (Ne), or what these things symbolically represent and will become in the future (Ni)
A preference for discussing theoretical, abstract, symbolic topics
A preference to understand the global, overall picture before getting into details
Being an Intuitive does not equate being intelligent. There are plenty of boring Intuitives around. It depends on how you develop yourself.
Sensing (S)
Sensing (conventional)
Quite similar to the conventional meaning of intuition - having a feeling that there’s something going on beneath the surface (e.g. “I’m sensing something wrong here”)
Perceiving or becoming aware of something
Sensor (stereotypical/dichotomous MBTI)
An unintelligent, boring person who always misses hints and has no sense of humor
Bland, boring, dull, mediocre
Sensing (MBTI)
Someone who prefers to use direct information they receive from the 5 senses - e.g. what these things are and what I can use them for right now (Se), or what these things are and how they have been used effectively in the past (Si)
A preference for discussing practical, applicable, immediately relevant topics
A preference for learning details first, then building those details up to an overall picture
Sensors can be intelligent, creative, and artistic (yes, even SJs)
Thinking (T)
Thinking (conventional)
The process of considering or reasoning about something
Directing one’s mind towards something or someone
Thinking (stereotypical/dichotomous MBTI)
Someone who thinks a lot
Making decisions based on logic and rationality
Someone who is calm and intelligent
Someone who is robotic and stoic, and doesn’t have any emotions
Someone who is doing something technical like hard sciences and maths
Like a stereotypical man
Thinking (MBTI)
A preference for making decisions based on facts, truth and logical analysis (Ti), rationality and empirical evidence (Te)
MBTI Thinkers can learn to be considerate and not offensive to others, especially if their feeling function is in the tertiary position.
MBTI Thinkers have emotions, and can act emotionally/irrationally, especially in times of stress or if immature
MBTI Thinkers are not automatically good at science and math, and may not even like those subjects. They can be amazing artists and musicians.
Feeling (F)
Feeling (conventional)
An emotional state or reaction
Experiencing an emotion or sensation
Feeling (stereotypical/dichotomous MBTI)
Someone who feels a lot and doesn’t think a lot
Making decisions based on emotions
An emotional person; someone who’s dramatic, may be animated, sweet, and nice
Most likely unintelligent, not academic, and incapable of logical thinking
Someone who is doing something involving arts, languages, or humanities
Like a stereotypical woman
Feeling (MBTI)
A preference for making decisions based on what is morally just, personal ethics (Fi) or keeping social harmony (Fe)
MBTI Feelers can be logical, think empirically, good at science and math, and do not act emotional
MBTI Feelers can be bashful and inconsiderate, especially if immature or under stress
Judging (J)
Judging (conventional)
Forming an opinion or conclusion about something
Being judgmental; determining whether qualities someone or something has are correct or desirable
Judging (stereotypical/dichotomous MBTI)
Someone who is organized, responsible, structured, neat, clean, tidy
Someone who is always on time
Someone who loves schedules and needs to plan ahead
Judging (MBTI)
Having a dominant (if extraverted) or auxiliary (if introverted) extraverted judging functions (Je) - Te, Fe
Judgers can be messy, spontaneous, and always late (especially in leisure). These are learned behaviors/habits. Their external behaviors do not dictate their MBTI (i.e. thought process).
Perceiving (P)
Perceiving (conventional)
The way the brain processes external information through the 5 senses
Becoming aware of something
Interpreting something in a particular way
Perceiving (stereotypical/dichotomous MBTI)
Someone who is messy, scattered, disorganized, lazy, unreliable
Someone who is always late
Someone who is easy going and always go with the flow
Someone who is spontaneous and loves surprises
Perceiving (MBTI)
Having a dominant (if extraverted) or auxiliary (if introverted) extraverted perceiving functions (Pe) - Ne, Se
Perceivers can be outwardly organized, tidy, and always on time (especially in the work place or if they grew up in that environment). These are learned behaviors/habits. Their external behaviors do not dictate their MBTI (i.e. thought process).
If you want to know more about MBTI, visit MBTI Resources - a compilation of the well-written, informative, and accurate articles on the web.
-eilamona
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Damn near perfect post.
What is the fundamental differences between a type 5 INFP and a Type 5 INFJ? Does anyone know?
Core cp6: DEBATE TIME! >:D
7 wing: I want candy.
Core cp6: What does this have to do with my argument?
7 wing: I don't care about your stupid argument! Candy is right there and I want it.
Core cp6: Fine. Have your stupid candy.
People who were picked on in high school have a tendency to overcompensate later in life by criticizing and making fun of everything around them to make themselves feel better subconsciously. When called out on such behavior they will usually attempt to rationalize their criticisms so that they can continue truly believe that no matter how pathetic and insignificant they are they are still better than every one and every thing around them.
I fully expect your next comment to be either a verbal attack on me or a defense against how shitty Cici’s Pizza really is. There is also the small chance that you just won’t say anything because you’re too busy crying over the reality check you’ve just faced, rationalized by “he’s just a dumbass who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, probably a 12 year old who needs to take a nap”
When you express negative emotions you should really begin to analyze them, ask yourself why you do that and why you feel it necessary, get to the deeper root of why you feel to it’s important to make an opinion statement overly negative to the point where it could offend others around you. Until you learn to do this and stop rationalizing bad behavior you will continue living your life in fear of every contradiction and disagreement, replaying things in your head over and head in the hopes it will never happen again.
It’s time to move on, I hope you have luck with becoming a better person. Even though I’m sure you’re telling yourself right now that you already are.
—–(submission)
Why did u trigger tag the pizza place is the pizza rlly that bad am I missing something
It’s really bad
Counterphobic 6 (Enneagram)
