is obviously a major foreshadowing bomb, like, ROOTS/ice palace-level endgame shit. it's just... no matter how hard i try, it seems i cannot fully grasp what exactly it might be foreshadowing for. and it's driving me fucking insane. is it Friend? the Roaring? what does Jockington have to do with any of this? is he gonna die? is he a goner? ffdgcsnjrhck
I was thinking and I have a theory for chapter 5 regarding the blue flower, because I think that a lot of people *might* be wrong with their theories.
The blue flower IS Flowey!
(also he might actually be the main antagonist of chapter 5 haha)
Basically TLDR of what I'm going to say below:
The blue flowers we keep on seeing are in fact not blue, they're yellow, meaning that they're much closer to Flowey then the actual blue flower in Asgore's room. I wouldn't be surprised if the "blue" flowers we see represent Flowey. Also a flower is depicted in Asgore's prophecy panel (which is titled as ch 5 boss in the files) and I think Asgore is there to trick us into thinking that HE is the boss when it's actually the flower he's holding.
If you haven't played Undertale I will mention it a bit including some spoilers
So as most people know, on the countdown for chapter 5 there are blue flowers across the border of the page, leading people to theorize about how these blue flowers may be important, but we are unsure yet as to what they mean and I have seen a lot of people say that we will have a blue flower darkner who is based on the blue flower in Asgore's shop (Which I think is wrong and I'll explain why)
So let's go over some of the facts.
We do know that on the deltarune countdown page, when the colors are inverted, it produces yellow flowers
(Side tangent but I find it interesting how the pink are the leaves, stems, and presumably the roots of the plants which makes me think of the theme "roots" in Deltarune. I'm not sure if that means anything but it's something to think about at least)
I've been thinking about this page a lot, wondering what everyone else is thinking, "why pink and yellow? Like device friend?" But the thing that has also been on my mind is why yellow flowers specifically? I mean, whenever I imagine a field of pink and gold, I always think of yellow AND pink flowers. Why are there yellow flowers only and why is that connected to blue flowers?
What does yellow and blue have in common in this game?
And then I had an epiphany.
Kris. Kris is yellow in the light world, and then turns blue in the dark world.
I inverted Kris's light world design and compared it with their light and dark counterparts. Although the blue is more vibrant and is not the same blue, the color is probably adjusted for aesthetics in the game.
The main idea is that inverted colors could potentially have some kind of relevance in the game, since they are complete opposites, kind of like how the light and dark is in the game (I also have another WIP theory regarding that but let's not talk about that rn)
That, and also the fact that Kris is Specifically yellow in the light world and blue in the dark, which theoretically could mean that yellow things (or people) in the light world will look blue in the dark worlds.
For example, the yellow flower in Asgore's shop
(which looks quite strikingly similar to Flowey, not to mention the other yellow flower appearances we've been seeing)
Considering the Flowey attack we see in the trailer as well, we know that there will be some kind of reference to Flowey or maybe even an appearance, which I don't think is too far fetched at all since yellow flowers have also been a reoccurring theme with chapter 5.
With that being said I know some people may ask, "What about Miss Mizzle's description of the blue flower?"
What we do know is that Miss Mizzle talked about (presumably) another Darkner who is described as being blue, and considering what I explained, it would make sense for her to see the yellow flower as blue since she is a Darkner, kind of like how Kris is referred to as the "blue person" by some of the Darkners, even though they are yellow in the light world.
Anyway, here's how the blue flower is described as.
Kind? That doesn't really sound like Flowey, does it? Well in Undertale, Flowey has been known to deceive people through a false sense of kindness, like, literally when the game starts, Flowey pretends to be a good person by "helping" us when he really was trying to kill us instead. It wouldn't be too far fetched if Flowey has this kind persona that most people know him by that only falls when things don't go his way (kind of like how Flowey waits until the very end of undertale to take over the underground)
Regarding elegance and "a disciple of my speech" well, to be honest I am not 100% sure what these may be indicating if we assume the Darkner she is referring to is Flowey, other than the fact that they know each other somehow. I think it could potentially be referencing how in Undertale, Flowey has ties to the royal family, and since Miss Mizzle refers to herself as royalty (even though she is not) it could be possible that Deltarune Flowey might be more regal in his depiction or status? (After checking his wiki one of his lines in UT is "I am the prince of the world's future" and he technically was a prince at one point in time when he was Asriel so perhaps it IS plausible, idk)
Regarding the camera part, this is likely referring to how we can take a photo of a severed yellow flower in chapter 3. I am unsure what the severed flower means though in relation to Flowey specifically, other than the fact that I have seen people interpret it as a representation of Asgore and Toriel's relationship, and these characters are both connected to Flowey in Undertale. If anyone does have ideas, please lmk!
Okay, I think I rambled enough about Miss Mizzle, now onto Asgore and the prophecy, which is titled chapter 5 boss in the files
Due to the title in the files, I immediately saw people jumping to the conclusion that Asgore must be the chapter 5 boss, I mean, he is in the prophecy panel so wouldn't that make sense? He was a major boss in Undertale so he does have the skills to be a difficult boss. That being said, I find it difficult to wrap my head around WHY we would be fighting him. Asgore loves Kris and whatever he is doing behind the scenes seems to have good intentions for everyone (even if the plans are bad, I don't think he plans on actually physically harming people) Although UT Asgore resulted in more violent means so it could be plausible, it feels unlikely for him to try and hurt Kris, that is, unless he wasn't alone and was under the control of someone else.
In the game, Asgore mentions talking to his flowers and seeking comfort from them. He trusts them. If he somehow ended up alone in a dark world with a bunch of flowers, I wouldn't be surprised if he was quick to trusting whatever flower darkner that showed him kindness. He, at least to me, seems gullible enough to fall for that kind of act.
What I'm trying to say is, I think that Flowey and Asgore will both be antagonists, but Flowey will be the main villain of the chapter. he will somehow manipulate Asgore for some unknown motive. I think that the asylum Asgore is trapped in is the false protection/help from Flowey, because Flowey is using Asgore to gain something. Perhaps, freedom?/hj (Okay but speaking of freedom Flowey does share "friendliness pellets" with us. WAIT. FRIEND? Sorry...)
On a side note, if Flowey is the antagonist of chapter 5, that one "I miss Tenna" post would make sense (at least to me) because Flowey is cruel and lacks any kind of remorse. Although Tenna did do some bad things such as kidnapping the cast, he never actually wanted to kill them and he expresses guilt for his actions. His actions are strikingly different to Flowey's in Undertale. I would regard Tenna as being more of a silly antagonist whereas Flowey would be a serious villain.
Also one little thing I wanted to add is that I think Deltarune will likely treat Asriel and Flowey as completely separate entities, probably. They technically kind of are in Undertale, but they're also sort of the same person as well since Flowey is like Asriel reincarnated. Deltarune is another universe so I'm not too concerned atm with how Asriel and Flowey will overlap as characters as we don't have too much to build onto atm.
Anyway, THANK YOU FOR READING THIS IF YOU GOT THIS FAR! If there's typo's or things aren't very coherent I apologize, I was mostly figuring things out as I was writing.
How does Jockington's dialogue translate to Japanese? Especially regarding turns-of-phrase and his increasingly broken grammar.
In the first two chapters, Jockington's speech is structured in essentially the same way as the English version, with a heavy use of punctuation in the middle of his sentences.
In Chapter 4, in the English version, many people have noted that his speech has become significantly less coherent than before. However, in the Japanese version of Chapter 4, his speech is actually pretty much the same as in previous chapters, and does not appear to contain many new turns of phrase or much unusual grammar at all.
There are, however, a few new aspects to his speech.
In the Japanese version of Chapter 4, many of Jockington's lines now contain rhymes. It is of course always possible that the translation of his lines simply turned out this way by coincidence, but considering the fact that other instances of rhyming dialogue in the Japanese translation include the "cut on your face or part of your eye" poem in the code, as well as the Organikks in the hallway before the Chapter 4 egg room, this new aspect to Jockington's speech does feel rather conspicuous.
One new detail that was most certainly intentional is that Jockington here repeats the same phrase twice, ending one with the particle ネ (ne) and the other with the particle ヨ (yo), where both particles are written in katakana instead of the more conventional hiragana (ね and よ, respectively). This very specific speech quirk is one that is otherwise unique to Jevil throughout his dialogue!
So while Jockington's speech in the Japanese version of Chapter 4 does not become less coherent as it does in the English version, he does rhyme many of his lines and has even started to speak like Jevil.
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