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[lonesomespectator]

[innerchildabortionclinic]

12 year old me would've thought hazbin hotel was the coolest thing ever for sure though it's like it was designed in a lab for a certain type of middle schooler

[lucewiththefur]

This may be controversial, but I don't care that hazbin shows S/A, rape, and abuse or any terrible thing you can think of. What I do care about is the lack of consistency in the potrayal.

The narrative flip flip-flopping is what actually peeves me, not something having to do with it being moral or not. Cause I believe that people have a right to portray whatever they want, however they want. With the caveat that they stick to their guns on how they do it.

To me, the only sin a story can commit is having bad writing.

And Hazbin's writing is bad because it keeps changing its mind on what's good and bad, and what characters are like.

Is abuse/rape funny? Who knows.

Is abuse/rape sexy? Who knows!

Is abuse/rape bad? WHO KNOWS!

I say this because the writers sure dont know.

The problem is that Hazbin can't make up its mind! It wants you to be shocked and horrified at the abuse of a character one minute and then wants you to think its funny the next. There is no constancy in how it wants to show things and it muddles what the series is trying to say.

Same goes for characters like Vox, Alastor, Valentino, etc. You get told they are one way, and the narrative gets confused because they won't just stick to what they are telling you it's supposed to be.

Valentino for an example. He is supposed to be an abuser, pimp, and trafficker. We are on the same page, yes? In season one, he is made out to be someone that is terrifying, intimidating, and a threat. In season two the narrative says fuck you for thinking we would get an interesting villain, have this stupid loser instead.

The problem is that it removes all previous characterization to serve the purpose of marketability. They want you to think he's disgusting, they want you to think he's hot, they want you to think he's just a poor little baby who did nothing wrong, then they are back to him being disgusting all over again.

With Alastor, they say that he's this powerful and influential mystery of a character who is ruthless and works for his own entertainment, then you get the stupid rug pull that nothing he accomplished was of his own power and was instead provided by everyone else. You think he's standing on his own, then other characters beat his ass over and over all the while telling you he's strong when he just keeps getting fucked.

Hazbin wants to eat its cake and have it too, but with something like this, you can either have one or the other. There are ways to have both, but you better be a damn good enough to writer where you can justify it.

I can forgive a lot if the writing is great- in fact, pretty much anything as long as they can tell a good story. Like I said, In a story, the only sin I can't forgive is bad or lazy writing.

To summerize. No, potrayls of terrible shit doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the flip-flopping, and "mixing of metaphors." Along with the bad writing, narrative confusion, and erasing character to serve the writers whims instead of actually serving the story.

[lucewiththefur]

So, I rewatched the pilot, and safe to say, we were robbed.

Yes, the pilot does have its problems, like there still being too much cursing and overused sound effects-- but the characters actually had depth and felt alive in comparison to what we have now.

I actually enjoyed it so much more than the series, and that probably had to be the happiest I've been watching hazbin. The characters felt entertaining, and I loved how Charlie actually had a backbone. As well as the fact that she was flawed but didn't have a head full of pudding, Like, yeah, she was naive and didn't listen to Vaggi that much, but it was in a way where it was actually realistic.

Angel Dust was actually an asshole, and funny, his sex jokes weren't as obnoxious as canon, and in certain scenes it hinted at him having depth and giving a shit instead of screaming it in your face that he's just pretending. His motivations to stay also just made more sense, and he wasn't made out to be a poor little baby that is just a punching bag.

Sir Pentious was also entertaining to watch, I loved how dramatic, old-fashioned, cackling villain he was. It made sense and felt right. It was fun. In the canon, they made him a poor little baby whose main sin was rather bland imo. I can see why it IS his sin, but it had very little going on.

Alastor felt actually intimdating and like there was a real threat to him, especially with how even Charlie knew who he was. He had a real sense of menace, and I really liked how he behaved like a radio host and not just a random edgelord.

Nifty was cute. I enjoyed that they actually made her a full-on sexist against other women cause it just makes sense.

I have no real opinion on Husker. But I do def prefer that he owed Alastor a favor instead of Alasgor owning his soul.

Overall, the only one I don't really have any thoughts on is Vaggie. She's more of a passive character, but I liked that she actually had some aggression behind her.

It feels like canon tries to hard to be edgy but removed the edge for the characters. It feels very sanitized and like they all got babyified. It's either they are dumb as hell, or their power is taken away.

I love the pilot. Like I said, it has its problems, but overall, it was better. The intro was so haunting and amazing for establishing the world, and it was very charming.

Ramble over. I like the pilot more than canon.

[longtailedweasel]

GODDD i am so fucking mad that hazbin hotel is such an ass show. It had a whole lot of potential in my opinion.

When it first came out i was seeing a lot of negative comments on it, which at the time was strange to me, because i remembered watching the pilot when it was still in the beginning stages of production. When i checked the show out, it was underwhelming. Not a single thing caught my attention, and I didn't really dedicate it much thought afterwards.

But the idea stuck with me, so i made my own versions of the characters' designs. And renamed them. And altered their personalities. And all of that playing around made me forget how terrible of a show it was. And one day, when i finally ran out of scenario ideas to fantasize about, i suddenly remembered about the original show's existence. So hungry as i was for some entertainment, i decided to rewatch it and GOOD LORD ALMIGHTY it somehow was SO MUCH WORSE than i remembered. I have watched all the episodes three times back to back in hopes of catching even the slightest GLIMPSE of anything worth thinking about, but all i got was a thick stream of filthy, vomit-inducing sludge, pouring from my phone screen onto the floor in a steady cascade.

The dialogue is just THE MOST BASIC, OVERUSED SEX JOKES not unlike those one would hear from the mouths of edgy kids who had just learnt about the peculiar ways of human procreation, served with a side of emo-fourteen-year-old's-diary angst. If you were to take shots every time the word "fuck" is used, by the end of the show you would be long dead from alcohol poisoning.

The songs aren't actually half bad - the benefit of hiring broadway singers i guess - but they barely even fit with the original theme of the show. I mean, the whole thing was constructed like a gacha life mini movie, from the plot down to the damn characters.

As for the characters themself - there's way too many of them, they're shallow, stereotypical, and made in such a way that the potential viewer is immediately supposed to see them either as the villain or the hero - the roles are strictly assigned without room for speculation or actually making an attempt to dig deeper into the characters' motives and the roots of them. Also, why would there be 'good guys' and 'bad guys' in HELL, a place made specifically for people who sinned? There's no explanation as to HOW exactly the roles are assigned. What differentiates the more regular sinners form overlords, seemingly extremely powerful beings? How do you BECOME an overlord? Do you have to earn it somehow? Does it depend on the severity of atrocities commited while alive? What kinds of demons are there? What exactly is the hierarchy, the power atructure? How are people sorted into these classes, (because there is CLEARLY some sort of power structure going on) and how does being in a specific class impact your afterlife? WHY is Lucifer the strongest, how does his power manifest, and what can he do that the overlords can't? We know next to NOTHING about hell.

And on the top of that, the designs are straight up ATTROCIOUS. Their unnecessary thinness, the sharp edges, the overuse of the color red - there is NOTHING visually interesting about ANY of them. Ypu can't even like a character for looking pretty since all of them look so incredibly similar to each other; combine that with the shallow and stereotypical personalities and you've got a whole assortment of uninteresting and forgettable characters.

The worldbuilding is BAD. I still have no goddamn idea as to how exactly hell is structured - there was a brief mention of the different rings of hell, but there is nothing said about the ways of travelling between them. I also have no clue WHERE exactly IS everything located; there's just the hotel, a bigass clock that's visible from the hotel, a huge neon porn tower, and Cannibal Town. And a tailor. AND they're all a walking distance from each other. I feel like the creator spent very little time planning out the actual story and instead focused on churning out merchandise ideas, simply to make as much money as she could out of it as soon as possible.

Overall, this whole show is a circus on wheels. But it's kind of beautiful that one could make something so attrocious and succesfully sell it to the public. And it's also what inspired some people to really get creative and produce various AUs, much better on their own than what they had been based on.

[lonesomespectator]

Making redesigns and rewrites of a shitty show feels great especially if you like the original concept but you've got to remember that you're not gonna save Hazbin Hotel by moving everything slightly to the left

[horsegirlestrogen]

hazbin hotel is south park for people who have be gay do crime pins on their backpack but would call the cops on a mentally ill homeless person in the subway

[chilewithcarnage]

And they're scared of black people *nods*

[mindovermutant]

guys the problem with hazbin hotel isn't that it's cringe or lame or weird it's that it's so racist like it's so so racist

[mindovermutant]

listen. i can literally ignore bad taste jokes if they're infrequent, or if there's good plot or visuals or any other jokes are funny to balance it out. but hazbin hotel has none of these. and the "bad jokes" are not even jokes they're just straight up unironic caricatures that she genuinely believes are true. guys it has absolutely no redeeming qualities. why are there so many ex-theater kids who used to hate the show so much who are all of a sudden getting really into it. i mean i know why it's a combination of low standards, absolutely no moral backbone outside of posturing, and the mid yaoi allure. but god. they, like everyone else, think that the problem with these things is that they're fucking cringe cartoons and not WHITE WOMAN EXPLOSION ft ANIMATOR ABUSE

[jollmaster]

I feel like Vox’s canon backstory would be better off simply if, instead of wanton murder, he offed his co stars and superiors’ career instead.

Plenty of ways to do it. Framing of crime, defamation, blackmailing, deception and double crossing. It fits the media manipulation side of his better, and it still gets to keep the “moving upward not by being truly talented or worthwhile, but by being a hack and willing to go lower than everyone else” motif his villain origin story seems to be going for.

I won’t oppose him getting blood on his hand from one or two accidental murder or having to silence his victims though. But him resorting to murder every single time really doesn’t do much for his character except for being (kind of ?) an American Psycho reference.

exactly it! Vox would be MORE threatening and caused more fear if his power over others' lives and careers were exercised in a more subtle manner, and if formally (formally!) there wasn't someone else's blood on his hands

[granitegrumbles]

One of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss’s biggest problems is that it will neglect foreshadowing, preestablished themes, and logic in favor of making something cool, dramatic, or funny.

Vox has a spy inside the Hotel! Ignore the fact that there has been absolutely no mentions of a spy before this scene; it can’t be Pentious because he was redeemed, so then who? Well, Baxter is pretty obviously connected to Vox: he used to work at Voxtech before coming to the Hotel, is constantly taking notes on everyone and everything, and has had no other story significance aside from a little bit of backstory with Pentious. While it might not be shocking, it’s been built up between episodes and- nope! It’s Angel Dust! He was hypnotized inbetween scenes and has been secretly been reporting everything to Vox despite the fact that Cherry Bomb has been spending a lot of time with him and Angel has been showing his phone to other characters with no sign of foul play! How dramatic!

Inside Hell, there are groups of sinners that have risen the ranks and become Overlords. They own souls and usually certain industries, boasting a variety of powers with them. The show, however, doesn’t explain much about what an Overlord is beyond that. How do soul contracts work and how are sinners able to make them? Not answered. How do Overlords get their powers in the first place- does it correspond to how many souls they have, and if so, what determines what your powers are? Not important. Come look at this fight scene between Alastor and the Vees where they throw each other into buildings and use their respective theming! Isn’t that cool?

Heaven doesn’t know how to make peace with Hell now that they’ve discovered that sinners can be redeemed. Due to their distance and naivety, Emily and Able propose that they bring down gift baskets as a way to apologize for letting the Extermination happen. So funny!

This would be okay in moderation. All shows are built upon reaching certain points in their story, and those points are often funny or cool or dramatic. I’m not saying that your story shouldn’t have things that are any of the above without extensive planning. However, there are times when both shows sacrifice what would be good for their story because it would elicit a temporary moment of instant gratification that falls apart when you look at the rest of the show.

Rosie has actually owned Alastor’s soul this whole time and has been using him to do her vague bidding! How dramatic! Except… there are no bits of foreshadowing to this being the case. Sure, Husk mentions that he’s not the only person on a leash when Alastor confronts him, but that’s very vague and unspecific. There are no scenes in Hello Rosie that hint of something more sinister going on underneath the smiles; Alastor appears to genuinely value her company and advice. There’s never a moment where Charlie’s out of earshot and the conversation gets more tense, or a moment where Alastor privately expresses disdain at having to come to the person who own his soul for help. He’s the one who proposes going to Rosie in the first place! It’s a big reveal, but beyond shock value it lacks logic. It’s also super racist, but I’ve made a different post about that.

Lucifer goes to intimidate Vox and get him to back down, showing up with a rock number and giant firey snake! Vox reveals that Lucifer can’t actually hurt anyone and flips the song with a rephrase where he declares himself the king of Hell and gets a newer, bigger form! How cool! Except… Lucifer being unable to hurt sinners makes no sense when he’s clearly able to hurt angels. If Heaven’s way of punishing him was forcing him to see his greatest failure and all of the bad he’s brought into the world without being able to do anything about it, why would he be able to beat up Adam? Arguably making sure that he can’t hurt angels should be the bigger priority because if he ever tries to get Hell to rise up, he’ll probably be the one leading the charge. Whatever! Look at this song!

There’s a montage of Vox doing a bunch of petty things to spite Alastor like hosting a parade or ordering a milkshake with two straws and drinking it all in front of him. This montage ends with the reveal that Alastor, a sex-repulsed asexual, was tied to a chair and forced to watch Vox and Valentino have sex. Funny, at least if you’re Vivziepop. Not only does this ruin an alright joke, it further contributes to the rift between how Hazbin Hotel treats sexual assault. In Episode 4 of Season 1, we’re shown an incredibly serious portrayal of the abuse Angel Dust suffers at the hands of Valentino. This “joke” and the one made where Pentious gets dragged into a room against his will where he screams no and claws at the floor, completely undercut the message they’re trying to show with Angel Dust. But it’s only a joke!!! People are so sensitive nowadays!!! God forbid the bad guys do bad things!!! (Yeah, no. Depiction may not be endorsement, but framing something as serious as sexual assault as a haha funny certainly is).

I’m sure there are plenty more examples of moments like this, but these are just the most recent in my memory. When you’re working on the second season of your second show, it stops being a beginner’s mistake and becomes just bad writing.

TLDR:

[polari]

“hazbin hotel is ugly with bad dialogue, questionable politics, horrible character design, a monotonous color scheme that makes it difficult to distinguish the characters in group shots, and an often ‘what the hell, sure’ approach to plot” is a shallow and boring take. whereas if you, as i have, really sat down and watched hazbin hotel and just really got to know it you would learn: it’s also☝️ racist

[polari]

a Black creole man in new orleans rising to fame among high society in the 1920s and early 30s despite the odds against him however he secretly has a voodoo shack where he performs ritualistic cannibalism. he is shot by a hunter when mistaken for a deer and in hell takes a deer-esque form; his soul is owned by a white demon woman who uses explicitly animalistic language to refer to him, and for a time he lived in a place known as cannibal town (her dominion). and he personally owns the soul of keith david’s character and is shown to keep him on a chain. interesting interesting. medrano and associates if i might bend your ear for a spell i would love to know more about the process of creating this character, perhaps a word association game, an inquiry, even, after your familiarity with racial caricature, the naacp’s guidelines for the depiction of Black life in media, the life and work of w.e.b. du bois…if i might offer you some reading….

[lonesomespectator]

Hazbin Hotel S2EP7 first watch. My expectations are reduced to zero

Everything that I know(?) before watching:

Vox will end up being just a head (hilarious and a bit ehh. I dunno)

Angel Dust's trauma is gonna be ignored by Charlie again! Amazing how many times the story can repeat itself

Something with Valentino (probably gonna be awful since for an entire season and a half his whole personality was sexy dumb perverted abuser. Hopefully they won't try to add depth to him last minute. Knowing Viv it would be horrifically mishandled)

Vox human form? I've seen some clips of a skinny twink wearing Vox's disgusting suit and bowtie so I'm assuming that's him. Praying it was fanmade cause he was so ugly it made me sick

Ok time to start. Let's go

"Weapon of mass distraction" is such a silly title. So the "baiting Lucifer for a power source" was a red herring? Kinda hard to pull that off if everything in the show is red. Don't mind me

Lucifer is so ugly I'm sorry. Wasn't the original Lucifer meant to be the most beautiful of angels? And wasn't he responsible(can't find a better word) for the sin of pride? I'm getting distracted. A big red X lit by a single beam of light yeahhhh how novel. Cause y'know Vox is a cartoonish supervillain. This is dumb

"You're not Charlie" oh my goddd those observation skills! What a great portrayal of Lucifer omg. Boring. On both sides

Why is Alastor here lmaoooo

They're making Vox act like a little kid starved for attention. "This is my momentt" brother you are talking to your HOSTAGES. You have COMPLETE POWER over both of them why are you arguing with them. Command some authority please didn't you use to love doing just that?? They're saving Vox's attributes exclusively for pointless and suspicious Angel Dust abuse scenes I guess!

Love some classism from Lucifer. They're edging us with the heavy themes only for the "moral" to be "actually friendship is good and Charlie always gets her way"

Okay man how about you stop making that smile that takes up your whole face and explain what you need Lucifer for and why you dragged Alastor here. Yeahh you're so evill suure just get to the point please

EWW2WWW EWWWW EEEWWWW HE LOOKS LIKE NEIL CICIERWGA WHAT THE FUCKKK UGLYYYYY 😭😭😭 why is his head that awful shape? What's with the chin just shoved onto the bottom like that??? It looks like he had a razor-sharp diamond chin someone chiseled down. So uglyyy it would have cost you NOTHING to give him a square head...... he looks so disgusting

Not the song....... yeah cool Vox backstory. Vincent 😭😭 ok 😭 worst name ever you should've named him Victor or some shit. Vinny 😭😭😭😭😭 he's gross looking

See? See? The mustached guy has a SQUARE HEAD!!!! Would it hurt you to put a bit more bone in Vinnys face? Make him slightly more distinguishable from all the twinks polluting the main cast AND allude to the TV head??? Now he just looks inbred.

He looks so awful I can't with him. Woww so a guy pissed him off and he killed him? Huhh that is so unexpected!!! Every single bad guy from this show has the same backstory irs so boriiiiiingggggg. Just killing that guy in broad daylight not even bothering to lure him into an alleyway you're practically begging to get arrested. Are they just trying to save their precious limited screen time ot what?

So he's just killing the guys he doesn't like and climbing the corporate ladder in record time. And no one suspects him. Okay. He's not better than Alastor he's a fraud too lmaooo. Are his producers the same guys as Alastor's or do they all just look the same? Oh so now he's killing these guys too. What is the point of all this is he just showing off for the song's sake or what

He's got heterochromia?? Wouldn't he get shamed for that in the fifties or something? And why does he have black hair with grey streaks all of a sudden? Wasn't he a brunet like a minute ago? I'm sorry all this looks fanmade I can't take it seriously

Hes just killing everyone around him for no discernible reason other than to cement his position as a power-hungry maniac. This is so ass

He's a random guy in the fifties why does he suddenly have this whole supervillain lair?? And why are the boxy TVs tied like that all the way up in the air? Doesn't he know it's a life hazard? Is he stupid? This is all just a mindless setup to have his head get smashed in by a TV isn't it. It makes absolutely no sense logically and is there only to validate the fact that his head is a TV because he supposedly got his skull smashed in by one. Yeah called it. Lmaooo this is so stupid. At least they're not making him a victim and making his crimes righteous and justifiable.... bare minimum but a win is a win

But still, wasn't he meant to be like, a televangelist ot something? Cause from how it got portrayed he was just a power-hungry attention seeker. Wouldn't it have been cooler if he genuinely believed he was doing something out of God's will? If he believed he was doing good? This is just Alastor backstory in a different font. Feels like they wrote him as an overlord first then adjusted his backstory to fit his aesthetics. It doesn't add any extra depth it just patches up the story that's already there. I'm disappointed but not surprised. Also again with the pointless repetitions - Vox said earlier that the cult made him "feel like a god" and now "they're calling me a god" this feels forced and overly repetitive. Use some synonyms I'm begging you

Put down the fucking cape you pretentious ass. Show off. They have their characters waste screen time on pointless aura farming then when someone brings up that the story is rushed and makes no sense they blame it on the time limit.

So they're puppeteering Angel Dust now. Didn't Vox's deal with Alastor include Vox ceasing his hotel slander? Or is that the point, he's using Angel Dust so that it won't count as him and will allow him to bypass the deal agreements? Front facing Angel looks gross.

Lilith's uprising? What uprising what sre you talking about.... now he's unveiling his Lucifer-powered nukes. What is this thinggg ewwww.. first time I've ever agreed with Valentino on something. Whatever this superweapon is, it looks like shit. Baxter can you shut up you have zero plot significance I don't care abt what you have to say. Ok can you actually explain what that bulbous monstrosity is meant to be?

Okayy attack on Heaven next extermination 24 hours whatever. Everyone's yelling and Sera is losing her shit. Is this where the voice of God comes in and commands the liquidation of Hell altogether or what. Abel is a wet blanket dumbass as usual. Seea is talking abt the "weight of her position" and "what she has to do" meanwhile she's done a whole lotta nothing the whole time she's on screen. This is boring

"How can you even explain humans having enough innate goodness to be redeemed while they take part in actions as vile as this?" Well that's meant to be the point of the show. Or was. Idk

"They're scared" oh yeah bro? Even the guy who wants absolute power and threatens to kill everyone? I don't think it's that simple but pop off I guess. The same as "saying sorry can fix everything and everyone should forgive yoy the moment you say it". Since when did Pentious have wings. STOP WITH THE "It starts with sorry" THING....

Sera it's too late to prevent anything there's an armed maniac with a whole army crouching at your doorstep. Focus on defenses please girl. Also is it too late to say both her and Emily's side profiles look like a 12yo gacha kid drew them? Those flat puppy mouths drive me insane they look like they're halfway through morphing into horses

Ok so now Vox is not communicating with his partners. The power has gotten into his flatass head I guess! Alastor is gesturing with his feet lmaoo silly. "Begging" and "pathetic" repeated YET AGAIN ughh are they allergic to synonyms? It's getting repetitive. Now Alastor is gonna accidentally give Vox material to destroy Charlie. Yeah, he is too easy. How is he meant to be a cult leader if he keeps falling for the same simple manipulation tricks omg

"I'm done letting fear guide my decisions" about time! Vox you are a terrible liar. Charlie girldon'tt go there. Buut she's gonna go there isn't she. Smart decisions were never her strong suit. Guess she's still miss Lack Of Character Development

Thank you V*ggie for being the voice of reason ITS TOO LATE!! It's too late the citizens of hell are with Vox. Unless you prove to them the error of HIS ways you're toast. Wait. Wait. Show them Pentious for fucks sake oh my godddd.... make this whole shtick with him ending up in Heaven actually useful!!!!

Isnt Baxter a bioengineer? Why does he know broadcasting 101 all of a sudden. Why is he responsible for some kinda big security system. This makes zero sense. Why is Baxter suddenly friends with everyone he's done nothing in the terms of relationship building since his first appearance on screen.

V*ggie sounds like a whole different person when she's singing. Also since when does Husk care about the hotel's cause.

Theyre really making Vox self-centered now. This coouuld work but I feel like they're gonna make it painfully shallow just like everything else in the show. Are they making Val a poor heartbroken princess omggg what. Wasn't his whole thing that he had every lover he could ever want and swapped partners like gloves? What's with the sudden switch-up why is he a tender-hearted loverboy. Vivziepop loves to mischaracterize her own ocs. Less gentle loving sadness and more blind and violent anger from Valentino's side please

That's it? I guess the episode is over. 4/10? I dunno. Nothing special happened but nothing outrageously bad either. Just mediocrity. Thank you for your time

[lonesomespectator]

I think I'm finally gonna give in and watch the last two episodes of the second season just to see how bad they can get. But before I start, here's a list of things that still haven't been explained/elaborated upon (tell me if I missed anything):

How the Heaven lockdown works and how it affects its residents/the plot

Why is Lilith in Heaven and why has she been purposefully ignoring all her loved ones for years

Exactly how powerful is Charlie

What happened between Alastor and Vox those seven years ago

How exactly did Lilith and Lucifer separate and why does he know jack shit about where she is

Exactly how do the other Vees contribute to Vox's power and in what ways is he weaker without their support

How did Lilith "take care" of demons and what is her significance to them (her name is thrown around but no one has talked of her actions/contributions to demon kind yet)

And some less immediately relevant but still interesting things:

What Alastor's prime looked like

What exactly IS Rosie's power and what did she grant Alastor. Additionally how much weaker would he be if not for her help

What qualifications a sinner needs in order to rank as an overlord

Vox's cult backstory how did it start what kind of power and influence did he have when he was alive etc etc

What "empowering demon-kind through song" means and how exactly is it relevant to Lilith's character

How owning souls translates to the overlords being more powerful/the importance of deals in the underworld

How/when Vox changed his head

What does Baxter do for the Vees. What do they need from him (he's a bioengineer and they control the media. Where's the correlation??)

What is the point of Charlie's cat that can turn into a key. And why is it in the logo if it barely even appears in the show

Feel free to spoil me it's not like I care. The story is shit anyway. For a show about redemption there's awfully little sensible character development (who would've guessed.)

[lonesomespectator]

Every single hazbin hotel man looks like a lab grown tumblr sexyman and theyre all equally revolting. Ewww what the fuckkkkk

[lonesomespectator]

So interesting how people still come into my inbox proudly saying dumb shit. "Well actually it's not racist cause Alastor chose to sell his soul to Rosie" and who do you think wrote it that way. "Alastor has been black since the pilot" wrong

[lonesomespectator]

Trying to figure out if the last two eps are worth watching

does Vox die

yes

no

nuance

I don't watch the show (good4u)

Voting ended onNov 21, 2025

[spookycriticalblog]

are we even surprised that hazbin hotel never focused on the redemption plot and spent two Seasons doing random side quests? This show was created by a woman who has a long history of backstabbing her friends and try blacklisting them for working on their own projects of course the show about improving yourself doesn’t have the characters becoming better people